Author Topic: Tow Ratings  (Read 26197 times)

Harrison

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2104
  • Karma: +2/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #120 on: December 29, 2017, 12:52:08 PM »
It's more about saving money on registration if you never plan to haul to your truck or combination's capacity.

You could have a 26000# rated truck and register for 18000# to save some dollars. If you weigh more than 18000# though, they'll issue the registration violation.

That makes sense, but is the opposite of what Nick and Brett are talking about

Wingman

  • Free Loader
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4592
  • Karma: +2/-1
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2017, 12:57:04 PM »
Correct. It wouldn't be prudent for LE to allow "overloaded" combinations when the manufacturers aren't willing to take the responsibility and label them with higher ratings.

The whole licensing thing is a separate issue.
Retired

TrailTamer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2021
  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #122 on: December 29, 2017, 05:41:47 PM »
I’m not towing ‘commercially’ so that should help some. How will they know if the tag is missing? At that point they’ll go off tires’ load rating. If I remember correctly my dodge’s front GAWR is 4500, rear GAWR is like 6500. Or 8,800 for GVWR

Wingman

  • Free Loader
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4592
  • Karma: +2/-1
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #123 on: December 29, 2017, 07:10:37 PM »
I'm sure that they have resources that will give them the manufacturer's numbers.
Retired

Harrison

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2104
  • Karma: +2/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #124 on: December 29, 2017, 08:53:01 PM »
FMCSA also stated they didn’t care if it was personal use. Combined manufacturer GVWR over 26000 needs a CDL. Not sure how the whole RV thing works but that does not apply to us.

TrailTamer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2021
  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #125 on: December 29, 2017, 09:55:38 PM »
If I read correctly RVs are exempted from CDL (as long as it’s neither over wide or over length). Hence why Smike got his stuff registered as RV

TrailTamer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2021
  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #126 on: December 29, 2017, 09:56:46 PM »
I'm sure that they have resources that will give them the manufacturer's numbers.

Let’s hope I don’t get checked.  ::)

Harrison

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2104
  • Karma: +2/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #127 on: December 29, 2017, 10:01:06 PM »
I believe Smike has passenger plates on his truck so he doesn’t get flagged for weigh stations. Stipulation being that it meets some kind of definition of an RV since that’s the only way NYS lets you reg something with that high of a GVWR without commercial plates. He is still not exempt from CDL GVWR requirements.

Let’s hope I don’t get checked.  ::)

That is really the bottom line

M4wdFab

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 22417
  • Karma: +11/-22
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #128 on: December 29, 2017, 11:37:49 PM »
im passenger plated as a 2014 RAM suburban, but if im pulled over and forced to scale still held to 26K laws



was told by OK DOT they would never flag or chase a passenger or RV plate no matter what it was, only commercial

M4wdFab

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 22417
  • Karma: +11/-22
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #129 on: August 25, 2021, 09:43:53 PM »
so i hate to beat this dead topic, but whats the right way now to go about over 26K?

instead of a Class D that we all have, go for a Class A?

so thats still not a CDL, looks like there is only one CDL, a CDL C now?

https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf 

Gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of more than
26,000 pounds provided the gross vehicle weight rating
(GVWR) or GCWR of vehicle(s) being towed is more
than 10,000 pounds.

mr.mindless

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15356
  • Karma: +2/-16
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #130 on: August 25, 2021, 10:21:15 PM »
Cdl-c is only useful for passengers.
Your trailer is >10k. Therefore cdl-a

The r permit is the only other thing that is sort of a thing at all.

Those are the two options. Thought you’d commited to giving up on this
Quote from: etk300ex
oh lord!

TrailTamer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2021
  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #131 on: August 26, 2021, 02:03:09 AM »
Seem like class d can legally go as high as 36,000 maximum gross combination weight?

But that’ll mean need a different tow rig, something that can handle 26,000 MGW (but not manufacturer rated over 26,000) and a trailer with 10,000 manufacturer GTWR.

As stupid it seem to be, apparently can register mgw higher than manufacturer recommended gvwr. Cdl-a requirement is determined solely based on manufacturer recommended gvwr. As I can understand that 2 things matters to the DOT with driver license & registration that 1) your vehicle is not scaled heavier than its registered mgw and 2) correct driver class for the vehicle(s) being driven based on its manufacturer recommended gvwr.

Kinda sound dumb if I understood this correctly. Can go big dumb load legally (just register higher mgw than manufacturer’s gvwr) but to have too much of a truck (Ram 4500 with 16.5k gvwr(?)) to tow a small trailer (10k gvwr) with class d is criminal just because both manufacturers’ combined recommended gross vehicle rating is >26,000lbs.

M4wdFab

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 22417
  • Karma: +11/-22
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #132 on: August 26, 2021, 11:18:13 AM »
i mis-read CDLc under 26k bah

Bret you mis-read:  May tow a vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or
less; or may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000 pounds
providing the GCWR is not over 26,000 pounds

combined still needs <26k for D


still think its odd the words CDL A do not appear on the DMV document

also comical a class B, you can be a box truck over 26k but if your towing anything you have to be combine under 26k?  WTF?

mr.mindless

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15356
  • Karma: +2/-16
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #133 on: August 26, 2021, 12:25:42 PM »
Agreed that it is strange the A&B do not include the word CDL. The only possible reason I can think of relates to the fact that New York used to have a non-CDL class C as well. That was retired like 10 years ago?
Quote from: etk300ex
oh lord!

TrailTamer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2021
  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Tow Ratings
« Reply #134 on: August 26, 2021, 12:43:22 PM »
I am not saying you're wrong, and I want to understand how this really mean;

https://dmv.ny.gov/commercial-drivers/elimination-non-cdl-class-c-license
Quote
Changes for Drivers with Current Class D Licenses.
A driver with a Class D license can now operate a passenger vehicle, a limited use automobile, or:

  • A truck with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less.
  • A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less
  • A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle that has a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs., but the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of the two vehicles together must be 26,000 lbs. or less

Class D allow you to operate a truck under 3 conditions as listed above. This is as best as I can interpret their meanings;

F
  • kinda obvious, class d allow the operator to drive a truck with up to 26,000 lbs GVWR
  • The tow rig with 26,000 lbs GVWR or less can tow a trailer with no more than 10,000 lbs GVWR
  • Operators with class D cannot go over 26,000 lbs GCWR when the towed vehicle/trailer have >10,000 lbs GVWR

On the condition #2, it excluded any kind of GCWR, so I presume as much as 36,000 lbs GCWR can be achieved legally if your tow rig have 26,000 lbs GVWR and tow a trailer with 10,000 lbs GTWR.

I don't understand why they listed two different limitations when towing if you still think I am wrong.