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Title: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 07:31:35 PM
Rather than bother each of you individually, I thought I'd make a thread here instead  :)

Going to have some cash in my pocket soon, looking at getting an enclosed. 2 years of tenting and I'm ready to be done with that.

The manual in my truck says 9250 for all 4x4 Ecodiesel Rams. The Ram website says 8050 if you give it my specific configuration. I am going to estimate my Jeep weighs 4500. Stock is 3600... I feel this is a reasonable estimate.

20' steel enclosed seem to be about 3600lbs, aluminum is around 2800

Nice 20' 10k gvw steel go for $4500, aluminum are $9k+ and hard to find with 10k gvw. Figure between camping stuff/sleeping arrangement/shower and I'm going to be close to 9000lb with a steel trailer, and right at the edge of my 8050 limit with aluminum.

I felt extremely comfortable towing 6500 with this truck. It never needed more than 2500rpm on long grades with cruise set at 65mph. Braking literally feels twice as good as either of the 3/4 tons I've towed this weight with. I plan to add WD hitch regardless of what I'm towing.

Is spending double on a trailer I plan to use 8-10 times a year to save 1200lb in this situation a good idea, or overcautious?

For reference, my truck with 3.92 gears instead of 3.55 is rated for 9050 according to the Ram site.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on October 03, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
Borrow someone's enclosed and try out towing up a few hills?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 08:29:21 PM
Borrow someone's enclosed and try out towing up a few hills?

I'll be in Sodus in two weekends  ;D
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on October 03, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
Bring it on...

Actually, I'll be out-of-state.  :'(
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on October 03, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
could work something out with mine...

Looking at those scale tickets, as weighed (I think I was pretty light on gear/spares at the time) my trailer was 8520 with 571 inside. 7800 on the trailer axles, so 720# tongues. Actually pretty light...
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 09:46:55 PM
http://allentown.craigslist.org/fod/4693797407.html

This guy says they weigh 3100 with 3500lb axles. Another guy with a 10k 20' I emailed said his scaled at 3340 when he bought it. I think it's doable.

Thanks for checking the scale ticket, Mike. I will talk to you before I make any moves on something if you really are interested in parting ways with yours.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 09:50:24 PM
Either Mike know how much 571 weighs? Not that it's terribly useful without knowing how much my Jeep weighs haha
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on October 03, 2014, 10:04:05 PM
4460 as it sat in the trailer that day
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 03, 2014, 11:39:45 PM
We are actively looking for an enclosed trailer also. 8.5 x 20
Batteling similar issues regarding weight as well.
I couldn't justify the cost increase for Aluminum for a mere 1200 lbs of savings. Besides we can't afford an ATC.

Our other issue is the height required for the CJBuggy. We need a 7ft door.  So that makes finding a used one almost impossible.

If you buy new make sure you are getting Dexter axles, brakes on all 4 wheels, and "Radial" Tires.
It's all about the axles and tires.
The rest is just plywood and steel.
The dealer in Nazareth pa advertises on CL in Rochester.
Been meaning to contact them.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 04, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
After talking to the guy in Nazareth, sounds like he probably drives to GA and brings these up...

http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/8-8-5-wide/5x10-v-nose-detail.html
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 12:18:29 AM
That's a good price.
Prob the same to have it shipped vs buying in PA.
Never heard of Lippert axles. But they are self adjust brakes and ezlube.
Bias Ply tires are NFG.
340.00 to add 12" of additional height is very reasonable.

Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2014, 12:27:46 AM
https://www.trailersuperstore.com/trailers-for-sale/trailers-for-sale/enclosed-cargo-trailers/carry-on-8-5-x-20-enclosed-car-trailer-10-000-gvw#4

Ugly color, but others seem to be available. Also, light... though they seem to be 450# optimistic as compared to manufacturer's site (but still light)
http://www.carry-ontrailer.com/cargo-trailer/8-5x20cgr/

How do the weights of these vary so much? Mark says his tipped the scales at 4600#...

The first set of tires on my current trailer were bias... didn't have an issue?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 02:13:39 AM
Lower weight means less steel.
Floor joists
Wall studs
Prob to save $
8.5 × 20 with 5 K axles should be about 3-3500.00 if it's well built. Not many of the trailers these days are as overbuilt as they used to.

Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
I figure it has to be in the frame mostly. Do I care for my use?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2014, 09:37:58 AM
Yes you care . hauling vehicles is heavy point load on door and floor.


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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2014, 10:28:35 AM
You can buy a new Georgia enclosed and use it for 5 years towing whatever you want, then sell it for 90% of what you paid. It could be bent and twisted, 90% of people dont care.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2014, 12:24:18 PM
I'm in the same boat as you, tired of tenting!


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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 03:09:58 PM
I would highly recommend 16" on center floor joist spacing.
Walls @ 16 o/c are a bonus IMO

D rings welded to the floor joists make me feel alot better.

I agree with ryan.
I'm going back to my old plan.
Buy New.
Keep nothing longer than 3 years.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
D rings welded to the floor joists make me feel alot better.

This may be hard to find in a wooden floor trailer.  99% are bolted.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
The USA cargo trailers listed them as Welded in.
I've never seen that on a wood floor.
But I like the idea
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2014, 09:32:38 PM

I'm in the same boat as you, tired of tenting!


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And a fellow half ton owner! What is yours rated to tow?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2014, 09:49:48 PM
buy whatever you want, so what if you cant go 70 up every hill
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 09:58:58 PM
It's amazing how much the tow ratings have increased over the years.
 More than 7 or 8 K was only done with a 3/4 or larger
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2014, 10:04:04 PM
Mine is rated 9500
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2014, 10:17:12 PM

buy whatever you want, so what if you cant go 70 up every hill

So if you wreck your sweet new truck warranty with towing overweight and burning up the surely inexpensive eight speed. That would be my worry.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 06, 2014, 08:54:42 AM
responsible driving would solve all

if you put your foot down and act dumb ignoring the gage cluster, sorry. 
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 06, 2014, 08:56:43 PM
Should weigh to verify, but I am pretty confident in this. Did a little research and added to curb weight the difference in the stock part it replaced. Should probably start drilling speed holes everywhere or aluminum trailer shopping. Probably both

5170lbs
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on October 07, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
Not a shocking weight, I'd buy it. Shame full body shot is always so heavy!


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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 07, 2014, 12:00:08 PM
Local place quoted me $675 to get 10k axles and D range tires added to this. Going to shoot to have this or something used and comparable for Ice Breakers. I'm worn out from being cheap, ready to pay for peace of mind.

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2014, 12:12:58 PM
have them keep there shit tires and wheels, have jared send you some gladiator E's
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
looks nice.  roof height ok? looks short
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 07, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
That does look short
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 07, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
6' 6" standard, $260 for extra 6"
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: etk300ex on October 07, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
extra 6" joke in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2014, 01:35:34 PM
hmm  6' is usually standard
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 07, 2014, 03:09:16 PM
6' 6" has been standard for most I've seen. Jeep could be about 76" if I take the roof rack off. Only reason I'd consider staying standard height would be drag. Probably get the extra
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 07, 2014, 07:15:19 PM
6-6" ceiling height is standard.
But don't forget the rear door is only 6'
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on October 09, 2014, 12:41:01 PM
I am with Smike. You try find a comparable enclosed trailer and load it up and go for a test drive. If it feels acceptable, buy what work for you. Although watch out for overweight as I'd think you don't want to lose the warranty (if any). Even though how can they find out? Just bring the truck in and not make it obvious.

In Illinois, they don't care about my truck's tow rating, but they will bust my ass if I'm over the weight class I plated/registered my truck for. I almost got fined $3000 for running a 8,000lbs plate (Truck B) 3 years ago so I upgraded to 12,000lbs which means I can have up to 12,000lbs on my truck by itself plus towing.

Well, that made me to think, I already went over a little!  :o

Although I had ~300 gallons of fuel in back of my truck at ~2400lbs.

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on October 09, 2014, 12:51:41 PM
By the way the pic of my truck when I was in west of Colorado on I-70, east of Grand Junction. I did the Vail Pass, Eisenhower Pass/tunnel, etc. I couldn't hold the speed much higher than 50 mph going up due to EGT, no more than 35 mph going down (1st gear at 2500 rpm max) due to avoid brake fade if I let it to go any faster but I made it regardless. I wish I found and fixed the huge boost leaks before the trip, I'm sure it'll help a bunch.

Colorado's I-70 west of Denver is gorgeous.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 24, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
http://newhaven.craigslist.org/bfs/4729007282.html

Emailed

Seems worth swapping 5200# axles under if in good shape... thoughts?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on October 24, 2014, 11:57:30 PM
FRP can be heavy.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 26, 2014, 08:28:07 PM
Put a goose ball in that little eco diesel! 
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 26, 2014, 09:00:05 PM
Goose trailer sounds heavy
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 26, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
my black trailer is 5500lbs

want it? 

$4k
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 26, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
I need something about 3000# lighter :(
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 27, 2014, 07:59:28 PM
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bfd/4720951464.html
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 27, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
ATC says 24' is 2820# empty... About 400# more than 20' I was planning on
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 27, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
But is it worth the extra coin?
They are very very nice!

Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: dubt on October 27, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
i need to get a second job.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on October 27, 2014, 08:43:23 PM

But is it worth the extra coin?
They are very very nice!

Save $6000 over new to save 400#. Bah! I should weight and get what I want/need. Extra 4' would be nice. Maybe I
Could somehow lighten by 400# :) emailed on it anyway.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Ryan on October 27, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
That is a great price, 24' is a big trailer for a bumper pull.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on October 27, 2014, 10:16:51 PM
thats a nice trailer, buy it.  use it for two years and sell it for same or 200$ more
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on October 27, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
That has got to be a scam. No way is that $4500!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 03, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
http://www.racingjunk.com/Cargo-Enclosed/182281453/Car-Hauler-8x20-Aluminum.html

11.5 hrs and have relatives along my potential travel path
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 04, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
http://www.racingjunk.com/Cargo-Enclosed/182281453/Car-Hauler-8x20-Aluminum.html

11.5 hrs and have relatives along my potential travel path

http://www.colesrv.com/nviewrv.asp?rvid=173

This is at a dealer. Exact trailer I got quoted $9600 for a few weeks ago but blue instead of black. Little dinged up from normal use. Confirmed 6 lug/5200# axles. Open Saturdays and can issue temp tag. Getting more pics sent and she said she would "see what she can do" on the price.

Relatives are in Raleigh, way out of the way. Oh well. Drive down Friday, cheap motel or something, scoop Saturday morning and drive home.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on November 04, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
looks good.  escape door is awesome


storage boxes are the nicest thing when coming home on a sunday from wheeling.  just land and walk away!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 04, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
Yeah. Definitely ready for that.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on November 04, 2014, 03:28:18 PM
That definitely looks Real Nice
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 04, 2014, 07:23:37 PM
Looks really nice. Hope it works out
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 05, 2014, 11:17:30 AM
Got them down to $6100! Just put $500 down!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: dubt on November 05, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
That's sweet.    Very jealous
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Hannah on November 05, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
CT to Tennessee back to CT in 48 hrs!! Bring it on!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on November 05, 2014, 08:56:32 PM
In that sweet cruiser?  Easy pea-sy!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on November 07, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
CT to Tennessee back to CT in 48 hrs!! Bring it on!

I've done similar. I'm sure you can  ;)
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 07, 2014, 10:14:08 PM
Laying in the hotel. 11.5hrs, 750 miles, hand calc'd 26mpg with cruise at 70. Looooong day... Another one ahead of us tomorrow!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on November 07, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
Wait 'till you get that brick hooked up.  MPG will drop like a stone...  ;D
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Hannah on November 08, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on November 08, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Welcome to the club of comfortable/warm/dry sleep!
Title: Tow Ratings
Post by: Hannah on November 08, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
Wait 'till you get that brick hooked up.  MPG will drop like a stone...  ;D

Harry says you weren't joking about the MPGs dropping!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on November 08, 2014, 12:42:36 PM

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awesome!!


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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 08, 2014, 05:32:06 PM
Looks good Harry.
That's a very nice deal.
Imagine if it was a flat nose.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: etk300ex on November 08, 2014, 06:09:20 PM
nice! cant wait for a loaded report.   better get those mirrors flipped out!
Title: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 08, 2014, 10:18:17 PM
Those tow mirrors are essential when you're towing a giant box!

100% worth the trip. Really nice. 4 LED lights in the ceiling with a switch by both doors. Another set of lights that shine out the back hatch. Took some quick measurements and looks like a double bed will fit quite nicely in the V nose!!

Weighs 2614 empty according to sticker. So 8050 limit minus 2614 equals 5436 limit of cargo inside. Might need to loose a little weight off the Jeep but very doable I think. Should be able to keep bed, camping stuff, and tools to 300lb or so. Need to weigh Jeep. Probably just not going to stress being over a couple hundred pounds if it happens.

Off to a rough start mpg wise, dash was showing 12.5mpg and I knew the dash had usually been 2mpg optimistic... I was having flashbacks to Burb fuel cost days. Realized I was climbing a slight mountain for about 15 miles and after that it leveled to a 15-16mpg on the dash the rest of the trip. Hand calc'd 15.2 on one fill up and dash said 15.5 at that point. Hoping to not lose more than 2mpg with cargo inside... We'll see.

Pics tomorrow! I am over caffeinated and tired and my phone keeps telling me I need to upgrade my tapatalk.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on November 08, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
Mpg hopefully shouldn't drop as much when loaded as majority of the mpg are already used up by pushing a wall through the air.

And sweet deal.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on November 09, 2014, 12:25:42 PM

Mpg hopefully shouldn't drop as much when loaded as majority of the mpg are already used up by pushing a wall through the air.

And sweet deal.

Thanks! Yeah, towing Hannah's Jeep I was showing over 19mpg on the dash. So obviously I'm losing a lot more mpg to drag than weight.

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: KingtheZJ on November 09, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
Legittttt
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 09, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
Diamond plate on the inside?
Bling bling.
I like the side door alot.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on January 02, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
Truck loaded with Christmas shit, Hannah and I, normal tools, and jeep on open trailer with wd hitch hooked up. Front and rear truck axles are rated for 3900lb so doing pretty good in that regard. However, even with 3900lb per axle, gvwr is 6600 so I am over that. Oh well.

Enclosed weighs 2614 empty and jeep is 4900 and truck is rated to tow 8050. So should have over 500lb of capacity for stuff inside the trailer.

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on January 03, 2015, 01:37:26 PM
That looks awesomely promising. At capacities but not killin ' it.


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Title: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on March 29, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
Awesome weekend. 12-14mpg. 60 on long hills, 65-70 everywhere else. Coolant never above 210, trans never above 190.

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With trailer hitched:

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Unhitched:

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Max trailer weight rating is 8050. GVWR is 6600. Pretty damn close. Jeep had 1/4 tank of fuel, truck was at 1/8 tank, and we had probably eaten and drank and used 50lbs of food and water, so probably add another 250lb between the truck and trailer worst case.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
Bringing this over from the CL thread...

Just about two years elapsed, blue enclosed is gone. Looking at these pics, man that thing WAS nice when I got it...

Smike quoted in here his black 28' was 5500lb empty. I remember him saying when he sold it telling the dudes not to put more than 7000lb in it. You think you were getting 2000lb of tongue weight or the axles were up for more than they were rated?

Thoughts on this guy? Name brand 5200lb axles? Dude said he thinks it weighs 6000lb empty. I expect to be around 6000lb with Jeep, water, living stuff, cooler, etc... wondering about swapping 16" wheels or Gladiators and carrying a couple spare hubs.

https://rochester.craigslist.org/tro/6052133949.html

Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on April 01, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Hubs won't fail. Tubes will bend just like matts current trailer. Then cheeeew tires.

Plan to swap 7k in? Boom done?


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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 05:37:22 PM
my failure mode was cracking aluminum rims.  then cracking steel wheels.  leaky wheel shortly after shredded tire.  only noticed it after remounting a few tires with same leaky weld seams. 

i only lost one hub but im sure that was from lack of maintenance.

im sure i was pushing 3K pin weight with the buggy pulled as far forward as possible.   
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
i would pass on that trailer.  5200lbs on a 34' is no good.  if it was 2500$ then maybe what mike said, but buying a trailer at that cost with the inevitability of needed 3K in axles and tires is not a good plan. 


get 8 lugs for 19.5 swaps.   
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 05:54:22 PM
Agree it's to expensive to do axle swaps on, was mostly hoping I could get away with 5200. Certainly wouldn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Current plan is 30' GA unit with 7k axles for $6k. Leak oil, poke holes, generally abuse like I tend to do and throw it away when I'm done.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 06:01:48 PM
bumper pull?

i couldnt imagine going back from a goose. 
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
Yes, bumper pull. New goose is out for price, even from GA. There is somewhat of a time limit to this and finding the right used goose is not easy at all.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
https://frederick.craigslist.org/tro/6028626425.html
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
We are between $4500-5000 on the above one via text, won't be able to go see it for two weeks. They've owned since 2006. Would prefer two 7ks vs three 5ks, meh
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 09:55:08 PM
36' floor or over all?

extenda hitch for short box truck cability, but small attic.  looks short height. 



Already beat by a wheeler it looks like too.  hmm. 
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: gif on April 01, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
my trailer is a 36'     90" x 90" inside   8.5" deep over the goose   3x5200 axles     

i put new tires when i got it.    I have never had a flat or tire wear.   Never had bearing or brake problems.  (knock on wood)

Triple axles tow nice.   turn like shit.  however, 98% of the time you are going straight.

I would say its worth a look.   Whats the rear opening dimensions?



wish my roof was dome and not flat...
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
76" inside, 75.5" door, my Jeep is 74"... ugh
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on April 02, 2017, 08:25:28 AM
Similar width clearance to what I have on my trailer. No big deal...
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 02, 2017, 10:33:54 AM
https://cnj.craigslist.org/tro/6067998646.html

Cheap, 8 lugs, waiting on dimensions. Damage on side but I can't have nice things anyway
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 02, 2017, 12:32:32 PM
Kinda bad. I'm thinking push back out straightish from the inside and hit with sealer as best I can. Doesn't bother me aesthetically, but not sure if it's too bad to not consider.

Door is 77" tall so that's good at least.

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on April 02, 2017, 08:23:40 PM
read this thread, enjoy your motivation.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/2495217-rebuilding-enclosed-trailer.html

seems fine. damage like that should knock quite a bit off price. I'd guess that would be a $4500-5500 unit without the damage? Take it for 3000-3200 after you offer him 2700-2800?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 02, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
I picked that thing up with Caleb. It was in rough shape but didn't realize it was that bad. Ugh.

I said right off the bat I wasn't interested for more than $3k, he said he'd think on it. Arranging a time to see it with him is challenging.

I really want this one but that whole used and 10hrs away thing is a little rough.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/tro/6071591422.html
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on April 03, 2017, 02:13:08 PM
my trailer is a 36'     90" x 90" inside   8.5" deep over the goose   3x5200 axles     

i put new tires when i got it.    I have never had a flat or tire wear.   Never had bearing or brake problems.  (knock on wood)



my jabs at 5200lb axles were with only 2 axles under a 34... 

still i hate 6 lug things
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 04, 2017, 11:01:16 PM
Staten Island unit sold.

https://scranton.craigslist.org/tro/6072455462.html
https://columbus.craigslist.org/tro/6071591422.html
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on April 04, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
i have removed myself from this thread with silly big dumb tag trailers  :)    good luck!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on April 05, 2017, 08:43:22 AM
Big tag trailers are for motorhomes :)


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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 05, 2017, 08:44:05 AM
It'll be fine!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on April 11, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
Mine

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: dubt on April 12, 2017, 08:07:45 AM
Nice upgrade

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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on May 07, 2017, 11:16:29 AM
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Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
Look like a nice set of numbers!
Title: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on May 07, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Pushed it at 70mph whole way down and got 9.3mpg. Did speed limit on the way home, grabbed 5th and did 60 on long pulls and got 10.7mpg.

Those numbers were about what I was getting with the stock tune or POS Edge, but with a trailer a foot shorter and 4000lb less gross combined... and 6th was useless in those days on anything but rolling hills.

Smarty Jr on high setting and I had all the power I needed anywhere above 1800rpm, EGTs rarely got over 1150 and were easy to control. Phone call to Smarty Resource said run it on the high setting if you have a clutch that can take it and avoid sustained EGTs over 1200.

Super please, feels like a real truck. Handled weight with no load bars without issue. Trailer was great too, able to keep Jeep inside during rain and still have room to live or house people for shelter. Plumbing install this week.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2017, 06:52:45 PM
Interesting. I should try the high setting sometime, then. I run tow.

overhead gave me ~10.5 with my enclosed, Corvette or not, to IN and back, and ~11.7 with my lowboy with 2 light rigs on it. Doing 70-73 (no cruise).
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on May 07, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
They claimed highest will yield best fuel economy. Also stated their tunes are pretty conservative from a motor longevity perspective if EGTs were kept in check. Mostly concerned about people blowing up their stock autos.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on May 08, 2017, 07:02:18 AM
Out of everything I've towed; Mr.Mindless's enclosed trailer make my truck to ride super nice empty or loaded. I'll get one of my own one day. Nice trailer, Harris!
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on May 08, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
other than heavy, you cant tell my trailer is behind the truck. 

18wheelers flyin by you could feel a little with the 16" tires it came with, but now with the 19.5's its rock solid. 
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: mr.mindless on May 08, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Smike's enclosed is the nicest tow I've had.

Both of mine ride rougher.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on December 28, 2017, 06:02:08 PM
I just registered my dodge at 12,000 GVWR, trailer at 14,000 GVWR. Technically my Class D driver license is still good since registered GCWR is 26,000 on the dot, correct?
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 28, 2017, 06:04:13 PM
After a lot of discussion and a phone call to the FMCSA, weights are based on mfgr ratings for truck and trailer. DOT doesn’t care what you pay in registration fees, they care what the vehicles are rated for.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 28, 2017, 06:12:20 PM
My truck is regd at 11900 and door stickered at 12200. Trailer rated and stickered at 14000. Apparently, I am not legal. This was news to me not that long ago. United won’t send me a sticker for the trailer that says 13500

How did you register a 3/4 ton for 12000? I would have said it was rated for 8800 by the door sticker. If you’re over whatever is on the door sticker of the truck, that’s not legal.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on December 28, 2017, 06:31:14 PM
IMHO the mfg’s (dodge) rated 8,800lb GVWR is absurd so I’m not going off it. My dodge weight just under 8,000 as-is so it’ll be blown past 8,800lb when loaded for a wheeling trip.

Wisconsin & Illinois DMV didn’t bat an eye when I ask it to be registered at 12,000lbs.

Registering vehicles above their rated GVWR are a common practice as far as I’ve heard.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 28, 2017, 06:34:34 PM
Registering vehicles above their rated GVWR are a common practice as far as I’ve heard.

I have never heard that. Again, a phone call to both FMCSA and CT DOT (not necessarily relevant for you but I doubt that changes state to state) confirmed that mfgr sticker ratings and nothing else are what is used to determine GVWR.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Nick on December 29, 2017, 01:47:09 AM
I know a couple people who up the registration gvw on their dunno trucks.  It is doable but if you get pulled over the dot is going by your door weight not the registration weight.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
Why would you bother registering for more than the sticker if that’s the case? Pay more reg fees and still be overweight by the law.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on December 29, 2017, 12:49:28 PM
It's more about saving money on registration if you never plan to haul to your truck or combination's capacity.

You could have a 26000# rated truck and register for 18000# to save some dollars. If you weigh more than 18000# though, they'll issue the registration violation.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
It's more about saving money on registration if you never plan to haul to your truck or combination's capacity.

You could have a 26000# rated truck and register for 18000# to save some dollars. If you weigh more than 18000# though, they'll issue the registration violation.

That makes sense, but is the opposite of what Nick and Brett are talking about
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on December 29, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
Correct. It wouldn't be prudent for LE to allow "overloaded" combinations when the manufacturers aren't willing to take the responsibility and label them with higher ratings.

The whole licensing thing is a separate issue.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on December 29, 2017, 05:41:47 PM
I’m not towing ‘commercially’ so that should help some. How will they know if the tag is missing? At that point they’ll go off tires’ load rating. If I remember correctly my dodge’s front GAWR is 4500, rear GAWR is like 6500. Or 8,800 for GVWR
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Wingman on December 29, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
I'm sure that they have resources that will give them the manufacturer's numbers.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
FMCSA also stated they didn’t care if it was personal use. Combined manufacturer GVWR over 26000 needs a CDL. Not sure how the whole RV thing works but that does not apply to us.
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on December 29, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
If I read correctly RVs are exempted from CDL (as long as it’s neither over wide or over length). Hence why Smike got his stuff registered as RV
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: TrailTamer on December 29, 2017, 09:56:46 PM
I'm sure that they have resources that will give them the manufacturer's numbers.

Let’s hope I don’t get checked.  ::)
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
I believe Smike has passenger plates on his truck so he doesn’t get flagged for weigh stations. Stipulation being that it meets some kind of definition of an RV since that’s the only way NYS lets you reg something with that high of a GVWR without commercial plates. He is still not exempt from CDL GVWR requirements.

Let’s hope I don’t get checked.  ::)

That is really the bottom line
Title: Re: Tow Ratings
Post by: M4wdFab on December 29, 2017, 11:37:49 PM
im passenger plated as a 2014 RAM suburban, but if im pulled over and forced to scale still held to 26K laws



was told by OK DOT they would never flag or chase a passenger or RV plate no matter what it was, only commercial