Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 07:31:35 PM
Going to have some cash in my pocket soon, looking at getting an enclosed. 2 years of tenting and I'm ready to be done with that.
The manual in my truck says 9250 for all 4x4 Ecodiesel Rams. The Ram website says 8050 if you give it my specific configuration. I am going to estimate my Jeep weighs 4500. Stock is 3600... I feel this is a reasonable estimate.
20' steel enclosed seem to be about 3600lbs, aluminum is around 2800
Nice 20' 10k gvw steel go for $4500, aluminum are $9k+ and hard to find with 10k gvw. Figure between camping stuff/sleeping arrangement/shower and I'm going to be close to 9000lb with a steel trailer, and right at the edge of my 8050 limit with aluminum.
I felt extremely comfortable towing 6500 with this truck. It never needed more than 2500rpm on long grades with cruise set at 65mph. Braking literally feels twice as good as either of the 3/4 tons I've towed this weight with. I plan to add WD hitch regardless of what I'm towing.
Is spending double on a trailer I plan to use 8-10 times a year to save 1200lb in this situation a good idea, or overcautious?
For reference, my truck with 3.92 gears instead of 3.55 is rated for 9050 according to the Ram site.
Post by: Wingman on October 03, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 08:29:21 PM
Borrow someone's enclosed and try out towing up a few hills?
I'll be in Sodus in two weekends ;D
Post by: Wingman on October 03, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
Actually, I'll be out-of-state. :'(
Post by: mr.mindless on October 03, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
Looking at those scale tickets, as weighed (I think I was pretty light on gear/spares at the time) my trailer was 8520 with 571 inside. 7800 on the trailer axles, so 720# tongues. Actually pretty light...
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 09:46:55 PM
This guy says they weigh 3100 with 3500lb axles. Another guy with a 10k 20' I emailed said his scaled at 3340 when he bought it. I think it's doable.
Thanks for checking the scale ticket, Mike. I will talk to you before I make any moves on something if you really are interested in parting ways with yours.
Post by: Harrison on October 03, 2014, 09:50:24 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on October 03, 2014, 10:04:05 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 03, 2014, 11:39:45 PM
Batteling similar issues regarding weight as well.
I couldn't justify the cost increase for Aluminum for a mere 1200 lbs of savings. Besides we can't afford an ATC.
Our other issue is the height required for the CJBuggy. We need a 7ft door. So that makes finding a used one almost impossible.
If you buy new make sure you are getting Dexter axles, brakes on all 4 wheels, and "Radial" Tires.
It's all about the axles and tires.
The rest is just plywood and steel.
The dealer in Nazareth pa advertises on CL in Rochester.
Been meaning to contact them.
Post by: Harrison on October 04, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/8-8-5-wide/5x10-v-nose-detail.html
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 12:18:29 AM
Prob the same to have it shipped vs buying in PA.
Never heard of Lippert axles. But they are self adjust brakes and ezlube.
Bias Ply tires are NFG.
340.00 to add 12" of additional height is very reasonable.
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2014, 12:27:46 AM
Ugly color, but others seem to be available. Also, light... though they seem to be 450# optimistic as compared to manufacturer's site (but still light)
http://www.carry-ontrailer.com/cargo-trailer/8-5x20cgr/
How do the weights of these vary so much? Mark says his tipped the scales at 4600#...
The first set of tires on my current trailer were bias... didn't have an issue?
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 02:13:39 AM
Floor joists
Wall studs
Prob to save $
8.5 × 20 with 5 K axles should be about 3-3500.00 if it's well built. Not many of the trailers these days are as overbuilt as they used to.
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2014, 09:37:58 AM
Tapatalking in traffic
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2014, 10:28:35 AM
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2014, 12:24:18 PM
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Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 03:09:58 PM
Walls @ 16 o/c are a bonus IMO
D rings welded to the floor joists make me feel alot better.
I agree with ryan.
I'm going back to my old plan.
Buy New.
Keep nothing longer than 3 years.
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
D rings welded to the floor joists make me feel alot better.
This may be hard to find in a wooden floor trailer. 99% are bolted.
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
I've never seen that on a wood floor.
But I like the idea
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
I'm in the same boat as you, tired of tenting!
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And a fellow half ton owner! What is yours rated to tow?
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2014, 09:49:48 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 05, 2014, 09:58:58 PM
More than 7 or 8 K was only done with a 3/4 or larger
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2014, 10:04:04 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2014, 10:17:12 PM
buy whatever you want, so what if you cant go 70 up every hill
So if you wreck your sweet new truck warranty with towing overweight and burning up the surely inexpensive eight speed. That would be my worry.
Post by: M4wdFab on October 06, 2014, 08:54:42 AM
if you put your foot down and act dumb ignoring the gage cluster, sorry.
Post by: Harrison on October 06, 2014, 08:56:43 PM
5170lbs
Post by: mr.mindless on October 07, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
Tapatalking in traffic
Post by: Harrison on October 07, 2014, 12:00:08 PM
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Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2014, 12:12:58 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 07, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 07, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: etk300ex on October 07, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2014, 01:35:34 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 07, 2014, 03:09:16 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 07, 2014, 07:15:19 PM
But don't forget the rear door is only 6'
Post by: TrailTamer on October 09, 2014, 12:41:01 PM
In Illinois, they don't care about my truck's tow rating, but they will bust my ass if I'm over the weight class I plated/registered my truck for. I almost got fined $3000 for running a 8,000lbs plate (Truck B) 3 years ago so I upgraded to 12,000lbs which means I can have up to 12,000lbs on my truck by itself plus towing.
Well, that made me to think, I already went over a little! :o
Although I had ~300 gallons of fuel in back of my truck at ~2400lbs.
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Post by: TrailTamer on October 09, 2014, 12:51:41 PM
Colorado's I-70 west of Denver is gorgeous.
Post by: Harrison on October 24, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
Emailed
Seems worth swapping 5200# axles under if in good shape... thoughts?
Post by: Wingman on October 24, 2014, 11:57:30 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 26, 2014, 08:28:07 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 26, 2014, 09:00:05 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 26, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
want it?
$4k
Post by: Harrison on October 26, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 27, 2014, 07:59:28 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 27, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 27, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
They are very very nice!
Post by: dubt on October 27, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
Post by: Harrison on October 27, 2014, 08:43:23 PM
But is it worth the extra coin?
They are very very nice!
Save $6000 over new to save 400#. Bah! I should weight and get what I want/need. Extra 4' would be nice. Maybe I
Could somehow lighten by 400# :) emailed on it anyway.
Post by: Ryan on October 27, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 27, 2014, 10:16:51 PM
Post by: Wingman on October 27, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
Post by: Harrison on November 03, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
11.5 hrs and have relatives along my potential travel path
Post by: Harrison on November 04, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
http://www.racingjunk.com/Cargo-Enclosed/182281453/Car-Hauler-8x20-Aluminum.html
11.5 hrs and have relatives along my potential travel path
http://www.colesrv.com/nviewrv.asp?rvid=173
This is at a dealer. Exact trailer I got quoted $9600 for a few weeks ago but blue instead of black. Little dinged up from normal use. Confirmed 6 lug/5200# axles. Open Saturdays and can issue temp tag. Getting more pics sent and she said she would "see what she can do" on the price.
Relatives are in Raleigh, way out of the way. Oh well. Drive down Friday, cheap motel or something, scoop Saturday morning and drive home.
Post by: M4wdFab on November 04, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
storage boxes are the nicest thing when coming home on a sunday from wheeling. just land and walk away!
Post by: Harrison on November 04, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on November 04, 2014, 03:28:18 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 04, 2014, 07:23:37 PM
Post by: Harrison on November 05, 2014, 11:17:30 AM
Post by: dubt on November 05, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
Post by: Hannah on November 05, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
Post by: Wingman on November 05, 2014, 08:56:32 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on November 07, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
CT to Tennessee back to CT in 48 hrs!! Bring it on!
I've done similar. I'm sure you can ;)
Post by: Harrison on November 07, 2014, 10:14:08 PM
Post by: Wingman on November 07, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
Post by: Hannah on November 08, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: Wingman on November 08, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Post by: Hannah on November 08, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
Wait 'till you get that brick hooked up. MPG will drop like a stone... ;D
Harry says you weren't joking about the MPGs dropping!
Post by: mr.mindless on November 08, 2014, 12:42:36 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/08/2da419fe2a13c11d2bc4f836d01adb65.jpg)awesome!!
Tapatalking in traffic
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 08, 2014, 05:32:06 PM
That's a very nice deal.
Imagine if it was a flat nose.
Post by: etk300ex on November 08, 2014, 06:09:20 PM
Post by: Harrison on November 08, 2014, 10:18:17 PM
100% worth the trip. Really nice. 4 LED lights in the ceiling with a switch by both doors. Another set of lights that shine out the back hatch. Took some quick measurements and looks like a double bed will fit quite nicely in the V nose!!
Weighs 2614 empty according to sticker. So 8050 limit minus 2614 equals 5436 limit of cargo inside. Might need to loose a little weight off the Jeep but very doable I think. Should be able to keep bed, camping stuff, and tools to 300lb or so. Need to weigh Jeep. Probably just not going to stress being over a couple hundred pounds if it happens.
Off to a rough start mpg wise, dash was showing 12.5mpg and I knew the dash had usually been 2mpg optimistic... I was having flashbacks to Burb fuel cost days. Realized I was climbing a slight mountain for about 15 miles and after that it leveled to a 15-16mpg on the dash the rest of the trip. Hand calc'd 15.2 on one fill up and dash said 15.5 at that point. Hoping to not lose more than 2mpg with cargo inside... We'll see.
Pics tomorrow! I am over caffeinated and tired and my phone keeps telling me I need to upgrade my tapatalk.
Post by: TrailTamer on November 08, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
And sweet deal.
Post by: Harrison on November 09, 2014, 12:25:42 PM
Mpg hopefully shouldn't drop as much when loaded as majority of the mpg are already used up by pushing a wall through the air.
And sweet deal.
Thanks! Yeah, towing Hannah's Jeep I was showing over 19mpg on the dash. So obviously I'm losing a lot more mpg to drag than weight.
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Post by: KingtheZJ on November 09, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 09, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
Bling bling.
I like the side door alot.
Post by: Harrison on January 02, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
Enclosed weighs 2614 empty and jeep is 4900 and truck is rated to tow 8050. So should have over 500lb of capacity for stuff inside the trailer.
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Post by: mr.mindless on January 03, 2015, 01:37:26 PM
Tapatalking in traffic
Post by: Harrison on March 29, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
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With trailer hitched:
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Unhitched:
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Max trailer weight rating is 8050. GVWR is 6600. Pretty damn close. Jeep had 1/4 tank of fuel, truck was at 1/8 tank, and we had probably eaten and drank and used 50lbs of food and water, so probably add another 250lb between the truck and trailer worst case.
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
Just about two years elapsed, blue enclosed is gone. Looking at these pics, man that thing WAS nice when I got it...
Smike quoted in here his black 28' was 5500lb empty. I remember him saying when he sold it telling the dudes not to put more than 7000lb in it. You think you were getting 2000lb of tongue weight or the axles were up for more than they were rated?
Thoughts on this guy? Name brand 5200lb axles? Dude said he thinks it weighs 6000lb empty. I expect to be around 6000lb with Jeep, water, living stuff, cooler, etc... wondering about swapping 16" wheels or Gladiators and carrying a couple spare hubs.
https://rochester.craigslist.org/tro/6052133949.html
Post by: mr.mindless on April 01, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Plan to swap 7k in? Boom done?
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 05:37:22 PM
i only lost one hub but im sure that was from lack of maintenance.
im sure i was pushing 3K pin weight with the buggy pulled as far forward as possible.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
get 8 lugs for 19.5 swaps.
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 05:54:22 PM
Current plan is 30' GA unit with 7k axles for $6k. Leak oil, poke holes, generally abuse like I tend to do and throw it away when I'm done.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 06:01:48 PM
i couldnt imagine going back from a goose.
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2017, 09:55:08 PM
extenda hitch for short box truck cability, but small attic. looks short height.
Already beat by a wheeler it looks like too. hmm.
Post by: gif on April 01, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
i put new tires when i got it. I have never had a flat or tire wear. Never had bearing or brake problems. (knock on wood)
Triple axles tow nice. turn like shit. however, 98% of the time you are going straight.
I would say its worth a look. Whats the rear opening dimensions?
wish my roof was dome and not flat...
Post by: Harrison on April 01, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 02, 2017, 08:25:28 AM
Post by: Harrison on April 02, 2017, 10:33:54 AM
Cheap, 8 lugs, waiting on dimensions. Damage on side but I can't have nice things anyway
Post by: Harrison on April 02, 2017, 12:32:32 PM
Door is 77" tall so that's good at least.
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 02, 2017, 08:23:40 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/2495217-rebuilding-enclosed-trailer.html
seems fine. damage like that should knock quite a bit off price. I'd guess that would be a $4500-5500 unit without the damage? Take it for 3000-3200 after you offer him 2700-2800?
Post by: Harrison on April 02, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
I said right off the bat I wasn't interested for more than $3k, he said he'd think on it. Arranging a time to see it with him is challenging.
I really want this one but that whole used and 10hrs away thing is a little rough.
https://columbus.craigslist.org/tro/6071591422.html
Post by: M4wdFab on April 03, 2017, 02:13:08 PM
my trailer is a 36' 90" x 90" inside 8.5" deep over the goose 3x5200 axles
i put new tires when i got it. I have never had a flat or tire wear. Never had bearing or brake problems. (knock on wood)
my jabs at 5200lb axles were with only 2 axles under a 34...
still i hate 6 lug things
Post by: Harrison on April 04, 2017, 11:01:16 PM
https://scranton.craigslist.org/tro/6072455462.html
https://columbus.craigslist.org/tro/6071591422.html
Post by: M4wdFab on April 04, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 05, 2017, 08:43:22 AM
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Post by: Harrison on April 05, 2017, 08:44:05 AM
Post by: Harrison on April 11, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
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Post by: dubt on April 12, 2017, 08:07:45 AM
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Post by: Harrison on May 07, 2017, 11:16:29 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: Harrison on May 07, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Those numbers were about what I was getting with the stock tune or POS Edge, but with a trailer a foot shorter and 4000lb less gross combined... and 6th was useless in those days on anything but rolling hills.
Smarty Jr on high setting and I had all the power I needed anywhere above 1800rpm, EGTs rarely got over 1150 and were easy to control. Phone call to Smarty Resource said run it on the high setting if you have a clutch that can take it and avoid sustained EGTs over 1200.
Super please, feels like a real truck. Handled weight with no load bars without issue. Trailer was great too, able to keep Jeep inside during rain and still have room to live or house people for shelter. Plumbing install this week.
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2017, 06:52:45 PM
overhead gave me ~10.5 with my enclosed, Corvette or not, to IN and back, and ~11.7 with my lowboy with 2 light rigs on it. Doing 70-73 (no cruise).
Post by: Harrison on May 07, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on May 08, 2017, 07:02:18 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 08, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
18wheelers flyin by you could feel a little with the 16" tires it came with, but now with the 19.5's its rock solid.
Post by: mr.mindless on May 08, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Both of mine ride rougher.
Post by: TrailTamer on December 28, 2017, 06:02:08 PM
Post by: Harrison on December 28, 2017, 06:04:13 PM
Post by: Harrison on December 28, 2017, 06:12:20 PM
How did you register a 3/4 ton for 12000? I would have said it was rated for 8800 by the door sticker. If you’re over whatever is on the door sticker of the truck, that’s not legal.
Post by: TrailTamer on December 28, 2017, 06:31:14 PM
Wisconsin & Illinois DMV didn’t bat an eye when I ask it to be registered at 12,000lbs.
Registering vehicles above their rated GVWR are a common practice as far as I’ve heard.
Post by: Harrison on December 28, 2017, 06:34:34 PM
Registering vehicles above their rated GVWR are a common practice as far as I’ve heard.
I have never heard that. Again, a phone call to both FMCSA and CT DOT (not necessarily relevant for you but I doubt that changes state to state) confirmed that mfgr sticker ratings and nothing else are what is used to determine GVWR.
Post by: Nick on December 29, 2017, 01:47:09 AM
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
Post by: Wingman on December 29, 2017, 12:49:28 PM
You could have a 26000# rated truck and register for 18000# to save some dollars. If you weigh more than 18000# though, they'll issue the registration violation.
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
It's more about saving money on registration if you never plan to haul to your truck or combination's capacity.
You could have a 26000# rated truck and register for 18000# to save some dollars. If you weigh more than 18000# though, they'll issue the registration violation.
That makes sense, but is the opposite of what Nick and Brett are talking about
Post by: Wingman on December 29, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
The whole licensing thing is a separate issue.
Post by: TrailTamer on December 29, 2017, 05:41:47 PM
Post by: Wingman on December 29, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on December 29, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on December 29, 2017, 09:56:46 PM
I'm sure that they have resources that will give them the manufacturer's numbers.
Let’s hope I don’t get checked. ::)
Post by: Harrison on December 29, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
Let’s hope I don’t get checked. ::)
That is really the bottom line
Post by: M4wdFab on December 29, 2017, 11:37:49 PM
was told by OK DOT they would never flag or chase a passenger or RV plate no matter what it was, only commercial
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2021, 09:43:53 PM
instead of a Class D that we all have, go for a Class A?
so thats still not a CDL, looks like there is only one CDL, a CDL C now?
https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf
Gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of more than
26,000 pounds provided the gross vehicle weight rating
(GVWR) or GCWR of vehicle(s) being towed is more
than 10,000 pounds.
Post by: mr.mindless on August 25, 2021, 10:21:15 PM
Your trailer is >10k. Therefore cdl-a
The r permit is the only other thing that is sort of a thing at all.
Those are the two options. Thought you’d commited to giving up on this
Post by: TrailTamer on August 26, 2021, 02:03:09 AM
But that’ll mean need a different tow rig, something that can handle 26,000 MGW (but not manufacturer rated over 26,000) and a trailer with 10,000 manufacturer GTWR.
As stupid it seem to be, apparently can register mgw higher than manufacturer recommended gvwr. Cdl-a requirement is determined solely based on manufacturer recommended gvwr. As I can understand that 2 things matters to the DOT with driver license & registration that 1) your vehicle is not scaled heavier than its registered mgw and 2) correct driver class for the vehicle(s) being driven based on its manufacturer recommended gvwr.
Kinda sound dumb if I understood this correctly. Can go big dumb load legally (just register higher mgw than manufacturer’s gvwr) but to have too much of a truck (Ram 4500 with 16.5k gvwr(?)) to tow a small trailer (10k gvwr) with class d is criminal just because both manufacturers’ combined recommended gross vehicle rating is >26,000lbs.
Post by: M4wdFab on August 26, 2021, 11:18:13 AM
Bret you mis-read: May tow a vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or
less; or may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000 pounds
providing the GCWR is not over 26,000 pounds
combined still needs <26k for D
still think its odd the words CDL A do not appear on the DMV document
also comical a class B, you can be a box truck over 26k but if your towing anything you have to be combine under 26k? WTF?
Post by: mr.mindless on August 26, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on August 26, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
https://dmv.ny.gov/commercial-drivers/elimination-non-cdl-class-c-license
Quote
Changes for Drivers with Current Class D Licenses.
A driver with a Class D license can now operate a passenger vehicle, a limited use automobile, or:
- A truck with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less.
- A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less
- A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle that has a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs., but the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of the two vehicles together must be 26,000 lbs. or less
Class D allow you to operate a truck under 3 conditions as listed above. This is as best as I can interpret their meanings;
F
- kinda obvious, class d allow the operator to drive a truck with up to 26,000 lbs GVWR
- The tow rig with 26,000 lbs GVWR or less can tow a trailer with no more than 10,000 lbs GVWR
- Operators with class D cannot go over 26,000 lbs GCWR when the towed vehicle/trailer have >10,000 lbs GVWR
On the condition #2, it excluded any kind of GCWR, so I presume as much as 36,000 lbs GCWR can be achieved legally if your tow rig have 26,000 lbs GVWR and tow a trailer with 10,000 lbs GTWR.
I don't understand why they listed two different limitations when towing if you still think I am wrong.
Post by: TrailTamer on August 26, 2021, 12:53:03 PM
Quote
CDL requirements become more confusing when the vehicle is towing a trailer.
There are three key aspects to consider when assessing CDL operator requirements for commercial work trucks involved in towing a trailer: truck GVWR, trailer GVWR and GCWR of the truck-trailer combination. Trailer GVWR is most critical to determining when a CDL is required.
When a trailer has a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more and the combined GCWR of the truck and trailer is 26,001 pounds or more, a CDL is required by the operator. For example, if a trailer has a GVWR of 11,500 pounds and is towed by a truck with a GVWR of 15,000 pounds, resulting in a GCWR of 26,500 pounds, then the operator must have a CDL.
In contrast, when the trailer in the truck-trailer combination has a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less, requirements allow for a greater GCWR for both the truck and trailer without requiring a CDL. For example, a truck with a GVWR of 26,000 pounds or less can tow a trailer with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less and not require the operator to have a CDL under federal requirements. However, CDL requirements mandate that the truck and trailer GVW not exceed 26,000 pounds and 10,000 pounds, respectively. In short, the truck and trailer cannot be overloaded.
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