M4wd&Fabrications
Projects place => Projects Section => Topic started by: M4wdFab on April 19, 2019, 06:04:45 PM
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shes a big girl.
got keys today.
3k still held from owner but it should be resolved soon when they remove items fully from property and not just dump them off the back of the property lol
Will be looking for some help before the meeting next week maybe to sweep out the barn. hoping to get lights up tomorrow first to be able to see what we have.
chip stopped over and i think i have a plan. found 150amp pannel in barn (unknown panel in house with lots of breakers but no main breaker?
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Congrats !
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found 150amp pannel in barn (unknown panel in house with lots of breakers but no main breaker?
Could be that the house is run as a sub-panel from the barn or there is a main breaker/disconnect elsewhere between meter and panel?
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wires from street to house are BIG. only one set of wires going to the barn. looks like street to house to meter and then it splits from meter to basement and back up to top of house to barn.
only 2 breakers in a big pannel at the barn with a 150 on top.
need someone smarter than me to come over. would like to sub another pannel to up stairs inside barn or move the pannel entirely (but i dont see a way to kill power to it between meter....
first trip to lowes only 400$ haha. tomorrow the fun begins! few things for the house and get some lights up in the barn.
looking at amazon prices for 4 unit kitchen kit i think the appliances are getting tossed. broke the fridge in 4 places trying to wipe it down... 2K done stainless nice shit: fridge, washer, range, mic
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wires from street to house are BIG. only one set of wires going to the barn. looks like street to house to meter and then it splits from meter to basement and back up to top of house to barn.
only 2 breakers in a big panel at the barn with a 150 on top.
need someone smarter than me to come over. would like to sub another panel to up stairs inside barn or move the panel entirely (but i dont see a way to kill power to it between meter....
I'm not very smart but I'd be happy to help with an electrical plan after May 1 if no one else is available before then...
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seems like a really good price for appliances.
I'd suggest giving yourself the 5% discount that buying that crap on a Lowes card gets you. Or the 0% if you want to stretch it out for any reason.
I'm busy this weekend (my parents today and meeting Sarah's fam tomorrow) but I've got time from Monday on.
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I don't know if lowes still does it but a couple years ago if you bought a new house and had a change of address form from the post office you would get 10% off one purchase. Might be worth looking into
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Chip is an Animal with a backpack leaf blower!
I headed over in the morning and got started on lights. chip came over and raked and wheelbarrowed out about 12 loads of hay and crap (literally shit animal shit) as fast as i could light another section!
then he blew out the entire floor walls and beams! holly shit looks like a real barn now with many of the smells gone.
got a metal pile and a wood burn pile
Nick Pearl stopped over (and lent a bunch of tools) and planted a new layout idea in my head that i think i like!
house got two new door mats, a screen door piston fixed, and brett brought out an unwanted table and chairs for a first furniture addition!
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very pleased with the 200w LED high bays, 7 hung at the peaks of beams do a great over all lighting of the entire barn. Task lighting added after work areas are planned and it will be great.
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Unreal space
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So good.
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Looks awesome.
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What were the holes in the floors previously for?
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Sweet!
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taking any days off this week to do things? other than tomorrow I'm game.
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Looks awesome, looking forward to helping.
On Wednesday do you need help loading/unloading or trucks/ trailers?
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i have no plan just kinda winging this moving thing.
probably get a few trucks and trailers moved over out of the way so i can start just crating crap into totes with the Forklift
Chevy and the spare ranger are ready to go over to storage, along with buggy and brolite to empty out my enclosed.
someone with a trailer ball also can grab the RTI ramp inless someone else wants it
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I'll bring my truck what size ball does the rti need? I can move that and I'll have an empty bed
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i think its a 1 7/8" i might have one but not sure.
4 crates loaded up last night from shop. shop!
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What time tomorrow?
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i think its a 1 7/8" i might have one but not sure.
4 crates loaded up last night from shop. shop!
And that didn’t make a dent. Lol
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Will it be helpful if I bring over & Park my dodge & trailer for you to load stuff on it? Ranger, crates, etc.
I’ll like to take the ramp.
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no, not ready to take crates. i will do that with my truck and equipment trailer since i need the forklift at both locations later after every thing is packed.
would like to just grab some big weird stuff like cherry pickers / band saw, press, ect just to get it out of the way.
Ill be over at old shop by 3:30. if i leave earlier ill post up here. trying to take a half day but have a lot going on tomorrow.
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thanks for the help Paul Mike and Matt yesterday. got some of the heavy iron over and out of the way of the old shop. finish packing, crates and then the last of the iron next!
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dropped the buggy and brolite to the barn today, didnt fall through the floor. win
picked up a lightly used couch sectional set from my aunt, and a washer from lowes. still waiting on dryer store to store delivery.
packing more at shop tomorrow moring, then heading over with a few trips.
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ugh. still cranking moving junk.
shop 95% done, apartment 80% done
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new vacuum is a beast!
round 1 against my apartment oven internals went surprisingly well. need to get another 12 yr old can of the good oven cleaner!
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Dollar store oven cleaner works great also
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picked up a new mower yesterday ;D
128 ton of gravel being delivered today
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I can't wait to see that gravel pile and dirt work!!
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Dam, that's a lot of gravel
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Wish I’d had time to scope this pile when I left nick’s.
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What mower did you get?
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What mower did you get?
he posted on fb. it's a beaut
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i got a Ferris isx800. got picked up by the dealer yesterday. kills fuses in 1 lap around the property. said they would have it back yesterday, no call yet.
gravel work done. 98% what i wanted and turned out great.
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just got a call mower being dropped back to my place!
PTO clutch got replaced
i also conveniently won the raffle from Saturdays open house and got some kind of power equipment as a prize. lol
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98% is pretty good lol
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nice
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parking has be greatly expanded lol
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first mow and 128ton gravel spread
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Looks nicely spread! Nice job. What did you use to spread all that gravel?
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JJ used a track steer to do the sod removal and gravel spreading. made pretty quick work. there is another area on the front side of the lower barn enough to park another 8 cars also.
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34 yrs old and has to be the 5th or 6th set of washer and dryer i have installed but never have actually owned a pair for me.
new washer and new dryer installed tonight at the new house!
also tried a small 4x4 spot in the barn with sand and polyurethane in an attempt to seal up and fire proof the wood floor in the heavy work area that is going to be soon.
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massive progress this weekend!
got my bedroom 90% set and unpacked a really nice set of kitchen dishes that my aunt gave me years ago. freshly washed and packed by my mom last week!
5-6 loads of laundry done at the new place.
slowly getting organized after the bulk of the move.
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need some sparky help to get materials ordered
Barn has 150 amp panel, has a 30amp 220 breaker, and two 15amp breakers for lower lights and upper level service outlet.
need to source wire and panels to run a 100amp sub panel in the main barn upstairs, and a 60? amp sub pannel in the small garage? or?
plan is to have JJ or Mark run sub pannels with service outlets / main barn lights then, insulate, then run conduit and breakers as needed later. little garage will just get service outlet.
100amp pannel with main because more than 6 breakers?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N01TMQE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
ground bar?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ZZGTT4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
small garage panel no main?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7MS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
o boy.
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60A should be plenty for your garage I would think. I'Go with a 12 space for the garage if you're worried about breaker space. Don't need a main, but would be ideal safety purposes.
Pack of one $76, pack of two $338. That's a great deal haha.
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Will need 4 conductor wire from main panel to any 220v sub panels, sub panels need to have separate floating neutral and ground bar. You can use a main panel but likely wasting money on the unnecessary main breaker.
Eaton or Square D Homeline is fine, no need to get expensive stuff. If existing panel is something different, there is no need to match other panels to the main.
If Lowe's/Home Depot/Amazon don't have what you need, don't be afraid of the electrical shops.
Also, I'd defer to JJ but I'm certainly willing to lend a hand.
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https://www.amazon.com/Square-Schneider-Electric-HOM1224L125PC-24-Circuit/dp/B00NOAVTIA/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=125a+square+d+panel&qid=1557850980&s=gateway&sr=8-3
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So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.
100A feeder 3-#2, 1-#8EG Copper or 3-#1/0, 1-#6EG Aluminum
60A feeder copper: 3-#6, 1-#10EG CU or 3-#4, 1-#8EG AL
Residential wire is weird where it sometimes counts the ground and sometimes not, so be careful if you order. I assume you'll use Quadriplex URD wire, Direct buried. I don't do much residential, JJ or Mark can chime in on that.
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so the barn has its own 150a meter?
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power goes street to meter then splits to house panel (some sketchy 60amp main?) and back outside up the house to 2 poles over head to barn then along the side of the barn to its own 150 amp panel (newish and good) that only has 2 or 3 breakers in it though
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So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.
this was the part i didnt get- what are pass through or feed through lugs? relevant in this case? do you need the 100 and 60 amp breakers, or not?, if so, put them in the panel, or put them at their sub panels as mains?
only reason i ask is getting to the 150amp panel is a long walk around the building and least convenient.
if it was easy, id rather that panel just moved inside upstairs, but that needs national grid involvement bah.
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something like this
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Yes, you'll need breakers to feed the new panels. The smaller wire must be protected.
Feed-thru or sub-feed lugs can be used to feed another panel of the same amperage. Such as you could feed another 150A panel from you current 150A panel with no breaker.
power goes street to meter then splits to house panel (some sketchy 60amp main?) and back outside up the house to 2 poles over head to barn then along the side of the barn to its own 150 amp panel (newish and good) that only has 2 or 3 breakers in it though
Wha?
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Yes, you'll need breakers to feed the new panels. The smaller wire must be protected.
ah! thats what i couldnt make sense of. understood now.
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So the 150A is not fed from house? It splits two ways after the meter?
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Why not feed each sub panel with it's own breaker in the main panel?
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So the 150A is not fed from house? It splits two ways after the meter?
thats the part i dont get :o
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I understand the reasons not to (since there's no upstream breaker to disconnect) but how much more sense could it make to swing the existing 150a barn panel upstairs and just do one sub or perhaps just run 2-4 circuits to the garage?
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to much hassle to have it shut off at meter to move pannel. also I want the shop sub panel to be closer to the shop area which is 30' feet further away.
two subs off the 150 in the shop and evaluate the house panel is the way to go.
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you should have a service disconnect after your meter, unless this is some sketchy 70 year old installation.
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none i can find. Ill pull cover and report back tonight.
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looks like breakers above have no main. 60 amp disconnects breakers below.
on house, left is street feed, right goes to barn.
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havent seen any birds for 4 days in the lower barn after i closed up the wide open window they were using.
removed about 40 birds nests all vacant.
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Seeing that "newish" house panel, there must be a disconnect somewhere between meter and panel (like Eroc said).
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unless its hiding in the wall behind the meter, no.
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i like breaker #5, we dont know wtf it does but it requires 20 amps
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There appears to be many issues here :o
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So they made a junction in the weather-head for the barn feeder? (Multiple violations lol)
Cable going to barn looks pretty small for 150A?
Is it the same (whitish) colored cable that we see at the weather-head terminated in the house panel?
You need a main or maximum 6-handles per code. The 6-handle rule may not even apply to residential I'd have to look it up.
Whats that unterminated, stripped wire chillin at the bottom? Clip that off.
Who made that sweet panel schedule? Don't tell me it was home inspector?
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Ha, didn't even look at the weather head pic :o
Do you suppose they ran the barn wire back up the conduit from the panel?
sMike, you might want to start thinking of starting over right at the house...
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New 200a service, meter box, panel, and sub-feeds. Go underground with the barn feed.
Get that sketchiness out!
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Here is what I would do.
If your occupancy plan is >5 years, think about long term effects of having sub-par electrical.
IF the feed wire from the utility pole to the meter is rated for 200A.
1) Upgrade feed wire from meter to house panel and the panel to 200A
2) Upgrade the meter to 200A
3) Do away with the split node to the barn
IF feed wire to barn is rated for 150A.
1) Bring wire into the house 200A panel with dedicated 150A breaker
2) Upgrade barn panel to larger 150A panel to support ALL current and future needs.
You have a generator that you can use to operate “must haves†while reworking the electrical.
I think your quote of “doing something right the first time never exceeds the cost of redoing something many times poorly..†(or something like that) applies.
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Utility Co is responsible for triplex from pole to weather head. They will upgrade if needed.
You could feed the barn wire from the meter box and put another 150a or 200a main panel in the barn instead of making it a sub panel off the house.
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That is not allowed. Your disconnecting means must be at the nearest readily accessible location at the point of entrance of the service conductors. And also your service entrance disconnects means (up to 6) must be grouped in one location.
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What isn't allowed? Having a second main panel in the barn? That is done often, including at my last house.
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the wire front the street is about as big around as my middle finger.... i think it makes the barn feed wire look small but its really not.
hey you cant have everything right with a house lol
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You had a junction point after your meter and ahead of your service disconnect?
National Electric Code. After your meter it must be terminated at a service disconnecting means at the nearest readily accessible location. You cant have a service disconnecting means at 2 separate locations.
Can be overridden by the electrical inspector of course.
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is it better just to keep his existing house connection and run a new service from street pole to barn and add a meter there,if nick can dig the trench i can assist with running pipe and the urd
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Utility will not allow one residence to have two services.
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The junction occurs within the meter box.
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Also, if smike plans to rent out the smaller garage in the future - how would he know what to charge the tenant for power? (don't say it'd be included in the price - that will be abused)
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new panel in house done hot, done
adding 2 sub pannels off barn, done
for 50-100$ on ebay you can record KW usage on a non resetable 10 year life unit. still not convinced i want to deal with morons on my property for rental
you guys are worse with home projects than truck projects lol
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Utility will not allow one residence to have two services.
I have a separate service for my barn.
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They'll occasionally allow it if it's more work for them to upgrade the existing. But their book specifications are single family residence gets one meter.
Curious, do you have to pay the fees for each meter?
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yeah, I assume you mean the $21ish "Customer Charge" fee. It is probably also that way since my barn was built first.
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clocked second mow offical time at 43 min
man! i was going for sub 30 min! dammit!
my free echo commercial string trimmer is pretty sweet! i hate trimming but looks way cleaner. maybe trim every two or three mows. meh.
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getting lazy already?! :D
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Welcome to home ownership...
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I trim a couple times a year. Fuck trimming.
Need to do my hedge. It’s getting outlandish.
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not lazy just fat and out of knee tolerance today.
cant get my sweet microsoft MN-500 to spit wireless. connects to devices but with errors. nothing in the base station management tool that is useful. bah.
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I was more lazy than your predicted schedule...
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I am too.. that is why most (non-living)things get a ring of Round-Up around so no trimming required.
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it's time to upgrade if the googles are right and that's a 2003 product...
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MN500 is an antique! ;D
We chuck them in the trash. Not even worth scrap.
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smike, I have this: https://www.amazon.com/R7000-100PAS-Nighthawk-Parental-Controls-Compatible/dp/B00F0DD0I6/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=netgear+R7000&qid=1558106004&s=gateway&sr=8-2
Yours for $75. Works fine. No longer using it because I have a mesh network in my house. I think a mesh network actually is a better option for you - might have enough power to transmit signal to the barn with mesh APs, depending on distance. between the two APs
I have this, and would recommend it for anyone looking at mesh wifi: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/linksys-velop-tri-band-mesh-wifi-system-1-node-2-plug-in-3-pack/6292290.p?skuId=6292290
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i dont even know where it came from. i have never had a need for wireless ever with unlimited mobil and bridge to shop.
3 smart tv's it way easier wireless lol
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So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.
100A feeder 3-#2, 1-#8EG Copper or 3-#1/0, 1-#6EG Aluminum
60A feeder copper: 3-#6, 1-#10EG CU or 3-#4, 1-#8EG AL
2-2-2-4 AL no good for 100A? thats kinda what Amazon suggests is...? 175' of 2-2-2-4 AL direct bury for 221$ and that would do all i need for the 100 and 60 amp subs.
need to identify breaker type in current barn panel. otherwise have a good cart going for all materials to upgrade house and add 2 subs to barn panel.
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about to order materials. still need to figure out wire but:
small garage pannel
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NOAVTIA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
will this 60amp breaker work as a main and fit this pannel? i cant seem to find a pannel with a 50 or 60 amp main in it....
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7N1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
current cart is about 1300$ and 32items. amazon for life!
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amazon is getting dangerous for me,my only line of credit is paypal,amazon prime card and amazon store card and all 3 are offering 0 interest for 6 months my wish list has 20 items
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been on vacation, will need to catch up
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np. i ordered all materials except the wire.
need to just verify 2224 AL is OK for 100amp. i think i will never be near using 100amp and it will never need to be made bigger. most of it will be used for bury under ground to feed the 60 amp in the garage.
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100% moved out of apartment and apartment clean ready to return keys.
100% moved out of shop and shop cleaned. one more trip for outside garbage and transmission pile from shed, snow plow.
light is near!
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2/2/2/4 is perfect
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175' is 221$ on amazon. nothing even close in size or length usable i can find for that price so ill get that once i verify the dimensions.
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Yes, 2-2-2-4 quadruplex AL URD is rated for 155A when direct buried. Rating of wire depends on the insulation, configuration, routing, etc...
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Yes, 2-2-2-4 quadruplex AL URD is rated for 155A when direct buried. Rating of wire depends on the insulation, configuration, routing, etc...
weird, could not find anything with rating when buried. but the buried part will just be the 60amp feeder. the 100amp feed will just be in the barn (about a 50' run.
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You need a main or maximum 6-handles per code. The 6-handle rule may not even apply to residential I'd have to look it up.
Checked with the boss yesterday and learned something new. Turns out that each of those circuits at the top of the panel are "main disconnects" but there should only be a maximum of 6 double pole breakers and no single pole. The spaces below are meant for individual 110v circuits. I guess it used to be a thing...
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100% moved out and cleaned out both rentals. ready to turn back keys and collect securities.
ugh! relief!
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excellent!
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2nd wireless router fail, why does it connect with problems. stupid! this should be simple plug and play.
read through all these bs settings and just will not connect fully. lame.
ready to just send back my cable modem and everything, just use my phone. will stream 3 devices with zero issues.
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clicked "cloan MAC address" as suggested in help section, all good.
so stupid
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In that case: fuck your provider.
Who is it? Gotta be spectrum right? Been an age since I had to give a care about consumer internet service. Yuck.
Glad it’s fixed. That would have taken me a goodly while.
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shingle repairs made to pantry roof! replacement sump pump ordered!
those were the only 2 must do's on the house, time to build the shop :)
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its hot out, decided to gut my pantry today and start working on first floor full bath!
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driving the mower to the corner gas station to fill, much better than stupid epa gas jugs!
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Non-ethanol?
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its 2019, everything made since like 1990 is 100% ethanol rated.
keep smoking the E0 train though!
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Everything that has the potential to sit for long periods gets E0. Don’t care about daily drivers. Not worried about seals and such but more fuel separation.
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Ditto.
I only put e0 in my fuel cans when I’m home. I do abuse that on the road though. I have plenty of things that probably don’t love E. If I could drive equipment with a >2 gal tank to fill though, I’d forget about it!
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room TV hung
new sump pump installed
pantry crawl space cover removed and inspected
front porch stairs and railing post replaced / rebuilt
3 courses of shingles removed and replaced / top cap replaced pantry roof
Pantry cabinets and trim gutted to walls
lawn mowed
shop table lumber unloaded
2 loads of debris to dumpster
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my hf generator has sat for 10months plus, cant even remember last use.
2 pulls puts like new. 10 minutes of idle, electric start charged up enough to work.
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couple RFQ's put out for 4500 ft^2 of spray foam
ooof cant wait to see that shock
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Iirc I think the going rate is a buck a sq ft at one inch so I'd guess 9k labor/material
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So about $1/lb :P
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i was hoping for a quote under 12K with 2" on the walls and 3" on the ceiling.
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thanks for all the help guys, that went much better than expected and was great.
pallet racking nocked down and loaded by 4:45
all unloaded at new place by 5:30
10 pairs of hands or so made it super quick and easy!
racking in great shape, lift is awesome. got some good pallets and some sweet roll around shelve carts! nice!
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shop keys returned today!
apartment keys to be returned saturday!
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apartment keys returned!
just need to call next week to confirm RGE is off and im DONE.
100 lbs of sand and 10 gallons of alum oxi poly to seal up the shop side floor. time for tables and lifts. picked up another van chassis for stock this morning. lets do this!
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(3) 4x8 shop tables built tonight.
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slept in a bit today, nice breakfast :)
truck load of garbage to dumpster.
wegmans, lowes, liquor store run while i was in Henrietta
visit from JJ and Girl
electric service install started tonight. shop panel mounted and plan formed. 100a and 60 a breakers installed in lower shop panel. All materials on hand to get after it tomorrow.
Italian hot sausage on the grill
1 gallon of round up applied around property
mowed
Visit from Nick and Raina
3 loads laundry.
formed a plan for new bathroom plumbing while folding laundry. i guess i need to amazon some stuff for that haha
that's Sunday.
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ran conduit and pulled wire. connected to 100amp breaker in barn "main" panel that is fed from meter.
didnt die.
so i have a sub panel that now has a ground that goes to no where other than the pannel shell. does it need a ground rod?!? wtf
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neutral and ground is bonded in 150 amp main panel. the sub i ran is 100amp and 4 wires. hot hot neutral ground. even though the ground and neutral are hooked to basically the same bar 2" apart in the main which i dont get what is the point but ill ignore that for now.
at my sub box, neutral is comon with main box neutral but ground goes no where..... other than the pannel. (pvc conduit and wood mounted)
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so i have a sub panel that now has a ground that goes to no where other than the pannel shell. does it need a ground rod?!? wtf
False, it goes to the ground of the panel that im feeding from to share ground.... so there would be no point to run a 4th wire if i added a ground rod for the sub...
lots of bad info and its amazing how many people think they know things lol.
JJ says i am good with no rod, going with that
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google says
Grounding for Sub Panels
A second panel or sub panel should have the neutral and ground terminals or bars isolated from each other, this is why the main circuit feed to the sub panel must have 4 wires, with a dedicated insulated wire for the neutral and a separate wire for the ground.
All the ground wires bond back at the main panel together with the neutrals.
The sub panel neutral bar or terminal should not be bonded to the enclosure or the ground of the sub panel. The sub panel ground should not have a ground rod tied to it.
The bonding for the main ground sources such as a ground rod is made at the main panel where all the grounds are bonded together as well.
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I am slightly confused with the question here, but I think you have it right. The neutral to ground bond and ground rod will be at your main panel only. Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the neutral bus of the main panel.
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If you added another ground rod that would make a ground loop through the earth. That's not good.
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google says
Grounding for Sub Panels
A second panel or sub panel should have the neutral and ground terminals or bars isolated from each other, this is why the main circuit feed to the sub panel must have 4 wires, with a dedicated insulated wire for the neutral and a separate wire for the ground.
All the ground wires bond back at the main panel together with the neutrals.
The sub panel neutral bar or terminal should not be bonded to the enclosure or the ground of the sub panel. The sub panel ground should not have a ground rod tied to it.
The bonding for the main ground sources such as a ground rod is made at the main panel where all the grounds are bonded together as well.
yes
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Also it you want to know, the neutral to ground bond is so a fault will trip the circuit breaker.
In a properly designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where it will move to the neutral wire via the neutral-to-ground bond, up to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker, tripping the breaker.
In an faulty designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where because it does not have a neutral-to-ground bond, the current will be forced through the ground rod, into and across the earth, and up the utility ground rod and in to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker. The resistance of the earth is almost always to great to allow sufficient current flow to trip the breaker, and you end up with a steady-state ground fault, that never trips the breaker, and this is a hazardous situation indeed. You cannot use the earth as a conductor.
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Just saw your facebook post. Please do not use anything anyone told you there.
Lou Levy owns and runs an electrical company? Pretty much everything he said is incorrect.
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IDK anything other then what I've seen, but at a detached garage I did a couple weeks ago the homeowner had me drive a ground rod in with my hammer drill and said it was part of his electrical inspection for his sub panel, I also vaguely remember a ground rod at Dennis's sub panel,maybe different requirements for different application,idk
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seems you can find many wrong same or different information regarding ground rods.
some reference weather the sub is within the same structure or not, weather a metal building / concrete. i dont know- did some code change?
we use to race with lou, he is the resident facebook troll when anything electric comes up. its comical. i would have figured he to be pretty up to date with current regulations.
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The neutral to ground bond and ground rod will be at your main panel only. Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the
yes i have this.
Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the neutral bus of the main panel.
this was initially confusing to me, because in the main pannel the ground bus and neutral are the same bar basically. JJ said to hook the sub neutral as close as possible to panel neutral, and the sub ground as close as possible to the pannel ground (lead that goes to ground rod), which i did. even though its the same bar 5" long.... seems silly.
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In an faulty designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where because it does not have a neutral-to-ground bond, the current will be forced through the ground rod, into and across the earth, and up the utility ground rod and in to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker. The resistance of the earth is almost always to great to allow sufficient current flow to trip the breaker, and you end up with a steady-state ground fault, that never trips the breaker, and this is a hazardous situation indeed. You cannot use the earth as a conductor.
cool, there's a name for what's up in my house.
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:-X
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To be fair, many people probably think the "sub-panel" is being fed from your house, not a main panel in the same structure.
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so when i run my sub to my garage from the barn main, i then need a ground rod over there?
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sub in upper barn run
4 sections of pallet racking assembled on cold side. it will get a 5th section there, but decided to think on which end. i almost like the gap at the main door to stick my mower. so instead of how i planned i think another section is going on the far end by the cars.
3 remaining sections will be on shop side with 4x8 tables under two sections with only a high shelf for storage and task light support, with a 3rd section having 4 close shelves for small shop stuff / tools / parts / supplies. 3rd 4x8 table with be in center end in front of the lift.
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Some electrical INSPECTORS can require an additional ground rod loop at a sub panel. If you have any questions, call the inspector that will be doing it because he is the final say. If no inspection, then keep running 4 wires to your sub panels and maintain separate floating neutral bus and bonded ground bus (except in the main panel, of course).
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kind of getting sick of spray insulation companies not returning calls or providing a quote.....
i have a shop to build you morons and this is holding me up if im going to insulate now is the time. bah.
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i dontthink you want them to call you back,just looked at do it yourself kits it would cost you 12k by your specs
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thats fine but give me a number. im not out of money yet for my plans.
almost bought 2400 square feet of 3" foam board tonight. needs a little cleaning and a couple pieces would be junk, but there was enough there to do my roof. JJ has a 38' man lift i could borrow. roof beams are 4' apart. they would latch in and just need one side fastened. 150+ 4x4 sheets......
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I’m game for labor/transportation on that.
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load 1 of 3 complete.
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picked up the rest this morning. little itchy and got stung only once by honey bee lol
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cut more scrap wood up tonight for next fire.
feeling a little overwhelmed but toughing it out. insulation, wiring, get lift in, place shop. 2nd spray foam guy over today for measurement. buffalo foam board guy has a bunch of 2nd 2" left. be another 6-700 in materials and id have enough for 3" roof 2" ceiling. total cost under 2k comparted to 10-15k spray.
need to research vapor barrier and whats up with my install if any issues to just slap board up and go. lots of shit info on web thats confusing.
running wire in conduit? thhn stranded or solid? 10gage white, red, green for 220 welder outlets, lift power, compressor powers. 12gage white, black, green for lights, regular power outlet. all panel breakers are 220 30amp or 120 20amp. steel EMT, steel boxes ect. 1/2" and 3/4" EMT throughout. JJ approved of my 100amp sub install.
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Solid wire. Unless it’ll see a lot of movement.
Conduit if exposed. Personally conduit it all; minimize damage from shop activity, rodent eating off insulation, etc.
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JJ answered quicker with recomending stranded THHN so thats what i just ordered 450$ in wire of :o
lowes pickup tomorrow:
300' conduit, 2 benders, all kitchen appliances
wire, clamps, plugs, switches 3 day lowes shipping
amazon 100' wire fish pull
here we go pretend to be an electrician part 2
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appliances, 300' of conduit, front porch materials picked up tonight. Online pickup person was not happy of my load. either were the 3 people behind me. sorry.
Front porch no longer a spring board. appliances unloaded. (need help for fridge and range from barn to kitchen sometime lol)
i have no idea about decks or rules, but that's what i came up with. took a bottle jack and lifted the deck about an 1" past where i want it in the fall figuring stuff will settle, sag, shrink ect. meh
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o snap look what found its way home tonight. works mint. 500lb capacity and will be great for lights / conduit / insulation install.
even more impressed at my pump lift. thing is a beast. was able to lift and manually move assembly away from truck on wood floor. just had to block and re lift on the ground because the supports lined up with tires, no big deal. 5 min unload or load.
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never would have guessed that manual fork would pick something like that much less move it.
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i was a little worried with the amount of effort the foot pump required to lift but then quickly realized that must be the "quick" lift and the handle pump was much easier and didnt feel like it was stressing.
guy said it was 1000lbs or so, im guessing its north of that but less than 2K. lift rated for 3300lbs.
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Manual fork doing work!
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love it! best 500$ i have spend for the shop
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started running conduit today and we got lights that have light switches! 100amp sub is hot!
scissor lift is awesome. spend almost an hour looking for my battery charger though :(
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conduit running and wiring machine again today. almost done.
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new the lights i got were too good to be true! not a deal now anywhere near a 200wat LED 5000k high bay for 45$ shipped. should have bought 8 more to stick on the shelf. boo!
getting to the point im ready to add some task lighting to the shop. couple 50 or 100 watts over work areas and add two more 200 whats on the lift bay end should do it!
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lathe banged back into shape from moving damage and powered up tonight. first time welding in the new barn :)
should have 2 bendpack lifts on the way tomorrow. Dannmar factory back ordered till August. booo..
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bendpack lifts should be on the way.
picked up all the PVC to rough out drains for 1st floor full bath today. cutting in to the 4" main this weekend!
anyone have good or bad to say about this shark bite push connect stuff? seems pretty slick but i have no problem at all sweating in more copper...
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If you like sweating fittings, go for it. Will last for decades.
However, SB fittings are easy and fast...
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only bad is the price @ $10 per fitting, if your doing alot its worth to just get the crimp tool and fittings for pex
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my only thought is i really dont want to spend any time in the crawl space under the pantry. 2 valves and like 8 fittings i need. pretty simple either way.
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1/4 appliances for kitchen installed. microwave smashed on side. bah. banged it out and mostly covered up by cabinets..... installed. LED range light in op. FML morons. 5 weeks to get appliances from lowes for super awesome quality. guess you cant ask for much these days for 2k.
fridge or range better not be damaged the same. :-[
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only bad is the price @ $10 per fitting,
My thoughts exactly.
Excellent for limited access too.
Smashed side is stupid. Was hoping it would be hidden.
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i think for my application, cost really doesnt matter- i was more asking for durability. dont want a 10$ fitting blowing and dumping thousands of gallons of water before i get home ha
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I trusted in my upstairs for the baseboard heat. no ragrets so far. 6 years now I think?
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i use sharkbite for anything at my house, so far so good
I know spencer uses it also for his stuff, i think he also uses a crimp tool too
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shower valve and head roughed in. lower wall and floor repairs made. Found my sink doesn't really fit my vanity, for free thats ok. modified and it should be fine.
toilet flange roughed in.
cut into 4" sewer main and tapped a 3" run in for added sewer, added another clean out.
couple you tube videos im going to tile in my own shower. should be fun and 500$ cheaper even picking up a cheap tile saw.
have all materials to have everything pressurized and drained tomorrow, and shower base roughed in. then hard pack, aqua sealer, then tile. done.
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I have a tile saw if you want to borrow it
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shark bite where i tapped into copper and on the shower fittings, and pex and clamps everwhere else. holding pressure. 1 PVC plug to pull and one 3"connection, piping done for 1st floor bath.
toilet in (got wrong flex hose)
vanity in (need one more elbow for drain)
shower drain in place, ready for some creative construction then, barrier install then bunch of tile.
fix some wall issues and paint or tile more.
not bad for 1.5 days so far!
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Smike new hobby house remodeling
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houses are easy :) did a bunch on my moms house when i was younger.
i think i may have failed and not included any venting in my PVC sewer circuit. need to research that.
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you can use one of these if theres no where to vent outside
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sure-Vent-1-1-2-in-x-2-in-ABS-Air-Admittance-Valve-160-DFU-Branch-24-DFU-Stack-39018/100140686
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ya i saw those but they only let air in and have bad rap for failing. not sure what i need to do.
3" toilet to main
1.5" sink
2" shower
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you only want air to get in or else you get sewer gases in your house. you didnt need a trap for the sink in the basement since you typically put the trap directly under the sink
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ya i got ahead of my self and was missing one fitting i needed so the trap ended up under the floor. probably a mistake because now i cant add one of those cheater vents under the vanity after its trap :(
still not finding a good solution for a vent. it def needs one. sucking and gurgling through the vanity drain right now when your flush the toilet.
got the shower base half ruffed in and first coat of mud on the big wall issues tonight. should be laying down the shower membrane tomorrow night. and ready for tile soon.
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i am thinking re trap the vanity above the floor so i can add a cheater vent there. other wise put a real open vent out the side wall but risk being too close to the kitchen window that i like to open when its HaWt
shower base roughed in tonight and first coat of aqua defense put in around the drain interface. i think its going to work well. tile and supplies on hand.
i think i just met my 1000$ or less full bath goal with all materials on hand minus some fittings an the vent.
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Aren’t you immediately under roof there to just run a stack? Or do you really just not want to open up a wall and pierce the roof?
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These are fun projects. I've been enjoying way more than cars lately. Just finished #3 that got full everything.
those vent cheaters have worked well for me.
If you need, I have guys for:
HVAC (just installed central air for $1900 total)
Roofing / Siding
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yes under roof. no do not want to tear up floor and sil, wall, roof to get to it..... its just a pain 4 ways.
changing the sink drain to add a vent will be 30min and 20$ to try
i did HVAC install for 3-4 years so im good there. might do AC next year. Furnace is a 2yr old 95% so good there.
Electric was my major weakness but i have fumbled through that now and good!
i havent worked on houses for about 15 years but i did a bunch of tear out and remodel on my moms houses.
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Project source tile? Your better then that,or do you enjoy the grandparents bathroom look?
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do not care, grabbed whatever was on sale at lowes and some grey for trim
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o boy.
deleted outlet from shower area, just wire nutted blacks, whites grounds together respectively. did it hot. may have herd a pop but not sure. now i have no power to kitchen ceiling light/fan, back stairs hall light or upper outlet behind range that fridge was plugged into.
no breakers popped on the panel......
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o neat. 15 min with a DVM and outlet test light. traced dead plugs and power to a GFI in the kitchen. weird.
reset and all good haha. good to know. odd layout.
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oh boy
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not as bad as you think, the fridge got pulled into a counter height outlet when we moved in. looks like 3 outlets daisy chained from one GFI, which i think i read some where is non against the rules. moved the fridge to lower 4 square thats on its own breaker.
shower outlet deleted!
its hot
my power has gone out like 5 times this week, must be summer grid issues.....
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I had a brief brownout overnight tuesday or wednesday. my power is usually rock solid.
surprised I haven't seen a NYSEG notice requesting reduced electrical loads yet today.
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Feed through on a GFI is all good. These items: (kitchen ceiling light/fan, back stairs hall light) that are on the same circuit as you kitchen counter and ran through the GFI are of concern.
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meh, ill ask JJ when he does my panel if it needs a change.
6 coats and a roll of fiber tap, i was ready for tile today. took about 3 rum a cokes to decided on the way i was going to do this and well this is what i ended up with for a start.
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what size is the tile?
That shower looks tiny, but photo can be deceiving.
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6x6 tile i cut down to take the pitch. the walls are 12x12
its super hard to take a picture in a small bathroom haha
its cozy but fine. shower head got put on that wall because the other wall is an exterior wall and i didnt want that.
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busy night
home for work.
run to Freds garage in Scottsville, pay for international that got a sticker during hours today. dont swap because i need RAM tonight
back home. move 48 enclosed and equipment trailer to other side of garage out of lot
prep old Lift and get stuff on a pallet for CL buyer coming tonight.
rock bounce fork lift out of the first floor shop, drive up the road to high side driveway entrance
rock bounce down driveway to concrete pad. only loose one fork on the way, but dont get stuck.
53' low boy shows up as CL guy shows up. bah!
do paper work and load and unload both in about 10 minutes.
3700lbs is heavy for 2 bendpack 10k lifts. about all my forktruck wanted to lift in N with gas on lol
53' leaves, load CL with old lift done deal.
transfer new lifts to ram one at a time, unload in barn with fork jack
rock bounce fork truck back to lower barn and actually not get stuck!
run Ram back to freds for inspection tomorrow, and swap out for IH
food
im tired!
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curb tile done and moved and outlet so i can fix my back splash design. installed a vanity side light.
ready for a little more groute then sealer then done.
paint- i hate painting. waiting on that.
finally cleaned all the dust out of my kitchen with no more tile and drywall cutting bah!
found exactly the beams i need on FBMP, hoping guy answers and going to run down to PA tomorrow or fri to pick up.
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https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-100-Amp-3-Space-3-Circuit-240-Volt-Unmetered-RV-Outlet-Box-with-50-30-20-Amp-GCFI-Circuit-Protected-Receptacles-GE1LU532SS/203393689
seems expensive and i need to swap a breaker and a welder outlet in, add another 20 amp breaker.
id like to mount this box or similar outside the barn, feed from existing 200amp pannel in lower barn. swap the 50amp for a 30 amp welder 220, break the 120 outlet into 2 20 amps and add that breaker. would be good RV power and welder power out in the lot then.
bah.
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first delco crate of twelve brought upstairs tonight. forklifts on both floors is so nice. with a truck trip inbetween.
i have shit ton of work to do in the next 12 days. hope this knee keeps cooperating lol
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my fed ex girl is cute!
she brough me lots of presents to the shop tonight!
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i put in a 50 amp RV exterior power panel last night
all went well other than finding an easy way though 3' of rock and concrete so i cheated a litttle
anyways- i go to shut the 200amp breaker off on my main panel before inserting a new 50amp feeder breaker and when it clicked off there was a 2" long blue spark from the back side of the breaker arc'd to the ground/neutral bar next to it.....
what the F just happened?
inserted breaker, hooked wires and all appears well.
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That would be an arc flash. Very unusual for said actions and equipment. I'd guess cause would be super dirty or really old and has never been used, or both.
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that sounds scary AF
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i have used the breaker at least 5 times in the last 2 months, this was the first time i recall having the cover off.
o, update its a 150amp breaker not 200.
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i am thinking that when i get JJ to do the house panel when the power is off / meter pulled this main panel is going to get a new main breaker also.
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Probably a good idea!
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my 48' and 20' equipment trailer look really small in a 2.5 acre field with 3-6' grass. winning. lot cleared for party week.
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got the track cut around the property today.
my bush hog i mean mower took a little damage. ran down to nicks to use his lift to put my blade back on and grabbed a pulled pork sandwich with the 20 or so people over for Saturday shop night lol
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i really should have built my over head crane system first. this shit is heavy!
lift directions suck. i cant imagine normal people figuring this out.
picked up ibeams and another sheet of plate. id really be happier with 5/8" plate so i might run to Express metals monday and see if they have ~17"x19" or greater 5/8 plate drops i have 2 4'x4' sheets of 1/2" now.
4 extra I beams and using biggest to support the lift down to concrete down stairs.
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lift install progress tonight.
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posts are up! under structure locked down!
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lift install complete. thing is pretty massive and impressive. i can jump and hang on the buggy bumpers on each end and its rock solid. real test will be when the 4500 is on it.
im thinking i still want to add a cross bar and 4 tension supports downstairs. minimal steel and effort, and i have extra 3/4" anchors left.
my new hammer drill is a beast!
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that's some awesome space!!!!
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Nice! Did you get 2 lifts? I thought there was talk of that at one time.
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I like how you lowered the supports from the top side, I probably woludn't have thought of that and figured out some much, much harder wronger way to do it
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I like how you lowered the supports from the top side, I probably wouldn't have thought of that and figured out some much, much harder wronger way to do it
even better, dawned on me that i could pull 4 screws out and a chunk of 2x6 from a floor patch and drop a 120v line, welder lead and welder ground instead of dragging the welder cart and generator downstairs lol it was a major light bulb! (1/4" plate that is on the other side of the floor joists lag bolted upwards)
decided on only one lift after the floor plan came together. the other lift we had delivered together is Matts going in his garage.
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last stage of unpacking to fill the new shop
8 to go....
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Do you have a plan for heat in the winter?
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not really. have a few options. most likely none will happen till next year. don't plan to wall off the shop side till next fall. also wana see how cold the floor gets. when the sun is out its 15 degrees warmer inside than outside no matter what.
did oil and fuel filters on the RAM tonight, 75k service front end lube.
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more than enough height for me (6'2") to stand and work comfortably under the ram on the new lift. happy!
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solid work night last night.
not using a roll around chair is definitely a change of operations for me with this taller lift.
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replaced 4 trollies on my barn door. opens great now! success!
really hoping i didnt fuck my other knee. lost my footing and landed 1 step off ladder. still feel it. moron. need atv tires for my scissors lift. bah.
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Lift ground floor structure got tension cables and 5/8" turnbuckles down to 3/4" concrete anchors. feels even more rock solid now.
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started insulating barn roof today. my method sucks and im not happy. stopped.
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picked up a 50lb box of 6" timber spikes (417 count) for foam board attachment. should be a much cleaner install, all the beams have holes where i need, plenty. i just have to start at the peak and work my way down. ends at wall need to be cut and wedged in anyway. probably be a week long process with the shit batteries in my scissors lift haha
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i got about 1/8 done with one over night charge on lift. probably hit interstate for four blems i guess bah!
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roof 1/3 insulated. wish i could find my respirators. have a 20 pack of cartridges but no units. dust masks not cutting it. some swim goggles would be nice too lol FML
30degrees is perfect working temp though with me in layers working ha
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almost 1/2 roof insulated with 3" foam
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hmm first 200w 500k high bay under 90$ i have seen since i got 8 of mine for 46$ shipped each
wonder why they are dif design, or whats up with them.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RLWLMCV/ref=twister_B07VLC27Y2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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new hole punch for the shop.
big girl!
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Direct drive arm breaker, love it!
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i remember using this machine to cut holes in 1" plate for high steer arms for the scrambler like 10 years ago.
its impressive, but requires respect and bolting shit down yes lol
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had a conversation with a pickup staking my property for snowmobile trail. he was very under standing and they will re route not on my property.
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They should have come to you long ago to ask permission and explain state insurance coverage and no liability but whatever.. Sucks to be them trying to find a reroute now instead of this summer.
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he said he is not surprised, they have many complains from abuse to their club. the have had complaints from the tenants that use to live in my house for noise at night, and had to put up fences to keep on the marked trail.
beer cans, garbage, noise at 2am and more bumps in my lawn for the mower (improper use when conditions poor) is my deterrent to disallow access. it is sad that few wreck it for responsible clubs, yes. sorry.
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new slot cutter added to the shop tonight
shes a big girl
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awesome progress today, was all finished up on jeeps and 3 went away today.
spent some time on the scissors lift and filled in all the big holes on the blue tarp wall. picked up another 10 degrees over outside. was tee shirt weather all day today.
moved rest of machines in.
wired and powered up mill
still working on layout of fab corner.
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Wouldn’t have guessed that was worth 10*
nice.
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Don’t you need to heat where machinery is?
I was always told that
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I think often due to condensation concerns?
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i was in a tee shirt all day saturday it was 68 in the barn :)
other than killing some paint no heat really needed for big dumb metal machines
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shop walk around:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_aQVGkuIrg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2U19Jd88EvMjgHPQ2lOr3hZGzOdt73qPCiRxlaFB7WQqpziSD1SoIDRu4
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Looking for feed back on first armature videos, not really a thing i do....
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nice!
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Was good . Enjoyed the walk through .
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picked up a few more 26K lumen LED 200w lights from amazon. review to follow. looks good so far
lights
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RLWLMCV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
ends
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XS2CS4H/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
new machine lights! 9$ each!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PVFRBXT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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finished final light layout and ran more conduit yesterday around future man door opening
36x60 shop now has 8 200W 26000 lumen high bays. its great.
added 2 more 20 amp breakers to the panel.
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lights
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RLWLMCV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That train factory picture is photoshop gold!
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took me 3 sessions, but i have removed all of the gravel spots off my lawn that i so nicely placed there with the snowplow on ZJ. thats a homeowner lesson for next year not to do. :o
snowmobiles really fucked my nice natural fences / boarders around the fields in about 8 places. hoping stuff grows back.
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walking the property today i found there is about a 60' section of 20" drain tile down by the field entrance. looks clear and active water both ends
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explains how that low spot isn't a full-on swamp/pond
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about a 1/5 of my test track is swamp and 1 foot of standing water right now lol
gota figure out where the garden is going soon! almost time for sweet corn and onions direct field seed planting!
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nice letter with 65K assessment increase today, whoopee!
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missed the standing water post - how did things dry out?
shame on the assessment. did it go above purchase price or just true up to it? may be worth contesting if it did.
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121 to 186. i paid 191
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track still wet. and i think my veg garden over took part of the track too haha. ill do more work this year on it now with the the tractor i have.
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mail carrier introduced her self to me today her name is Tracy. she said she has been trying to catch me to let me know its ok to move my mail box to my side of the street and to the end of my driveway. she said its safer for both of us and she cleared it with her boss.
ill have to do that!
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Nice!!
I’m considering moving mine to house driveway. Not sure. If I keep paperwork in the office that’s where most mail gets dealt with anyway.
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I’ll put this where it belongs
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quit posting in my house thread :P
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Hahaha I did this to myself when I marched the thread titles. What a dummy!
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ripped a line to the barn today, hooked up a sink and a hose bib by my RV panel.
mint!
need to figure out sink drain plan- just into a 5 gal bucket for now.
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crazy i have almost added 1200' of pex to my property by now lol
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Can’t believe you watered the garden before a shop sink. Bet that’s nice!!
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Do you have any empty moving crates? Thinking those would be nice for my barn stuff when it comes time to move.
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what i have is still all is use right now sadly. they are are handy.
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hows the new lathe look?
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hows the new lathe look?
Wrong thread I’d you’re asking me.
Didn’t get it with the truck breakdown.
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picked up 15 gallon tank with 12v pump and 2.5gals of grass/weed concentrate today. 30 gals of 2-3% per directions does my entire property and around all buildings, driveway and postage, annoying road grass, ect in 40 min on the tractor. not bad.
i guess we will see if my guess on 2-3% was good enough.
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Curious how that works for ya. I’m going to use the last gallon of my Roundup to try to nuke all the thistles I’ve got around. Will leave me lacking for the sidewalk cracks and especially parking lot edges.
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areas starting to brown. but still kinda hard to tell with the rest of the lawn burnt lately. not sure effectiveness.
picked up a fan today :o
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thats a large unit
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Are you exchanging barn air or going flying?
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fuck i just dropped it off my scissors lift like 20' up and almost crushed myself in the process.
went into AC for food and re grouping.
its probabyl trash now. at least it came with an 80' welding cord extension.
wish i would have dropped it before i cut a 5' hole in the side of my barn.
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Glad it was only an almost for yourself. Fuck.
Hope at least the motor lived
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https://rochester.craigslist.org/for/d/rochester-btu-air-cooler-air/7152772232.html
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doubt 10K btu would tickle the temperature in my barn.
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dropped the fucking thing off the lift again.
put my self in time out on this one.
moved onto a different project. i guess i dont have the talent today.
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Three’s a charm
So is a safety tie off
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https://rochester.craigslist.org/for/d/rochester-btu-air-cooler-air/7152772232.html
I have a newer 12k version of that machine, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011CZXXYG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_MmYaFbZENSRZF
No way it'll cool down the barn. Absolutely no way. It does the job cooling my double garage with the doors closed.
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oh my
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dont let price fool ya, got it for $100 from a bankrupt company
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fans round two. not messing around this time with rotten farm shit. nice new commercial units. 4 of them. 2 48s and 2 of the one size smaller.
motor tags say 208/230
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and yes i am out of control and need professional help, soon.
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I fully support this.
I will help you not drop any. Lmk when.
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just watched my security cam footage of my fail. o my. shit went wrong quick. lift dropped about 5" when i wanted 1/2" drop. was over quick and i was laying on my back 20' up lol
50000cfm on the back of the ram. they are square and built like race car chassis with enclosures. 1 year old new commercial units.
need to think on layout. went to buy one but came home with 4
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https://www.grainger.com/product/2FTX8?gucid=N:N:FPL:Free:GGL:CSM-1946:tew63h3:20501231
two of these at each end would be nice.
might need to get a bigger man lift with 4x4 for outside installation :o
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i think i can just install them from inside actually. ordered two from granger for pickup tomorrow
this is war on the heat!
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If your barn only have doors on one side of the building, then you should put a rollup door on the opposite side so that breeze can go through. I know it'd be useless for you as an entry point but it will really help with ventilation and breeze going through the building.
edit: I went on street view to look at your barn. I see 4 vent stacks on the top of the roof. Are there fans in these and do they work?
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my idea is there is 14x14 door in the middle on the side. one 48" fan on each end up at the peak will pull in the doors and then out to the ends with a 2min room air change over.
there are 4 big vents but the steel beams peak under them. no real way to duct a fan in them unless it was like a little 12" one maybe.
i have also insulated the roof.
that does remind me i do need to pull the insulation panel to clear the path to the 1 vent on the shop side thats blocked.
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yesterday when i got home i opened the doors it was 102 at the temp on my fridge by the main door but 96 at the lift post that is near the 5' hole i cut in the side of the barn. this gives hope that its going to work with some air flowing.
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Any way to pull air in from the “basement� I assume not without cutting the floor. Could work for moving things between anyway, but I assume floor space is more valuable.
DIY swamp cooler on one of those fans?
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bottom floor has not great air quality, its dark, damp and animal shit. smells pretty farm down there. dont want to pull that upstairs. its cold down there in may/June but by now its warming up not much better than outside.
DIY swamp cooler is not a bad idea. i might play with that at some point. i plan to put wheels and welding cords on the two smaller 36" fans to make them portable. HF soaker hose?
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I'm going to start using the term "pretty farm" from now on ;D
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It is too humid in NY for a swamp cooler to do anything other than add humidity to the already humid air. ;D
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Portacools are the bees knees for when it's real humid.
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no the opposite actually..... they need dry air to promote their operation of evaporation lol
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if you look at the data, in NY region, they just claim 10-15 degrees drop instead of 20-30 in west coast humidity levels...
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I've been in places with portacool here in GA where humidity is king. It "feels" cooler because of the mist laying on you and the fan breezing on you.
No temperature change, just a sensation.
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update on the tractor supply grass and weed killer. seems to be about 95% effective after about 5 days. everything is brown and dead. ill probably hit some spots looks like i missed next week.
happy though !
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Took a few days for my roundup to really brown things on the gravel lot too. I think dry weather may slow it down.
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two 48" shudders on the back of the RAM for barn fan installs.
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round hole in barn made square, shutter installed
48" 15000 CFM fan installed.
hug by 1/2" threaded rod turned out mint
its nice and quiet and moves a bunch of air!
victory.
temp controller should be here tomorrow, but hooked a cord to it for now to test.
Probably wait till next week to run the one on the other side. need to run power 120' first. bah!
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Can you share photos of how exactly it was hung?
My warehouse could use a fan like that and I was quoted $2k for install which is nuts.
edit: actually - nevermind. I just realized the reason why high cost is because they have to put in a steel frame as a solid mounting area due to hurricanes here. You don't have that concern.
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i just hung the heavy end by 1/2" rod and the other side sits on a building beam that i screwed it too. this unit weighs 465Lbs plus the sheet of ply wood i added to enclose the cage
was 103 in barn when i went out at lunch to clean up. in 40 min it was down to 95. outside temp is about 91.
i think thats pretty good progress.
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new exhaust fan has been working so great. pulls the barn down to 3-5 degrees of outside ambient quickly, and really moves around the air.
started running conduit down the other side of the barn tonight. have about 140' total to run and about 10 or so boxes to wire outlets along the way running 120/240v for the woodshop and other fan to be installed.
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Something so satisfying about plumbing and electrical
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not satisfying, 250$ lowes for more wire and some screws / fittings/ 6 sticks of conduit that i can carry in one trip. bah
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Same. More in fittings and pipe than the pump was. I still find it satisfying.
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grabbed another 100' of 3/4 conduit today. decided to do it right and have room for future expansion and not use the 200' of 1/2" i paid 10% on from saveolot auction buy that keeps giving.
Meh
maybe i can get some wire pull help if we hold the club meeting there wednesday haha
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that was a lot of conduit and wire and outlets for one night. but got it done. only missing one 220 outlet.
ready to start on 2nd fan install now that i have power down there.
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First attempt at applying for refi today, completely electronic with my current personal bank of 20years that holds the current mortgage!
see what they come up with and then hit up Premier again.
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sweet one phone call after about 15min of online documentation submission, staying internal to my bank i could go from a 20year @ 4.25% to a 15year @ 2.625% and payment stays the same +/- 10$ with 4 years shorter loan. depending on how the appraisal goes might even have enough in to get rid of PMI, or add in a couple grand at refi to make that go away.
i guess i have to be aware another higher appraisal would benifity PMI cancelation, but might justify tax numbers meh
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you probably know this, but that appraisal is between you and the bank. assessor won't see it unless you submit it to the assessors office.
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i did not know that, one of my questions on the list.
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I'm 88% certain of that. the new mortgage is recorded, but whether PMI or not isn't, and I don't believe any supporting documentation is either. Just the amount and mortgagee
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just had a pretty cool conversation with one of the sons of the family that owned my house. he popped into the barn while out working and said he has been wanting to stop over and be nosy for a while and see what was going on lol
said he use to shovel grain out of the barn by hand when he was a kid (now in mid to upper 50s) and they would routeenly pull 10 wheelers in and dump 10 tons of grain and fill the barn lol all season without caring about the floor
some other good stories. he was impressed at what it looks like in there now, and was happy to see someone using it and keeping the property clean and mowed nice.
was cool.
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That’s cool
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Awesome
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That's great
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How is this winter season going for you regards snowmobiles?
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I still don't have one 😿
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How is this winter season going for you regards snowmobiles?
less traffic than last year, but conditions have been poor.
still driving though my posted signs in the field, and right through my fire pit where old trail was 2 years ago, but for the most part traffic continuing to damage my front lawn and spew snow to my driveway ends after fresh plowing.
only one night i have been super annoyed by noise at my window so far.
No trips again to the field with the mossburg in my Pjs so far this year though.
i was half tempted to stop to chat with the troopers that had snow machines and a stop check setup down the road one day to discuss landowner things but i didnt feel like getting an inspection ticket as part of the conversation.
i dont know why it annoys me so much, but it does.
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not cool at all that they're going through a posted area. that's plenty reasonable to be annoyed by
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short of lining my property with 3/8" winch cable and posts, im sure nothing will keep them out. im inbetween the greenway and pizza, garbageplates, beer, fuel ect.
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did some more wood things with some left over hemlock
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Ha. Just did something kind of embarrassingly dumb. Decided I had enough of all the random wires in my basement. Phone, alarm, coax, fire alarm, randomness everywhere. Cut it all out. Gone.
Came upstairs and realized my cable modem still uses coax to feed it.
Oops. Well ordered a crimp kit and waterproof connectors to splice the street line and run a new line to my room. I guess I'll get to use some of the auction coax spool after all!
That was dumb.
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Hahahahahahaaaaa
Been so close to doing same and haven’t for that fear. Stupid phone and coax all over.
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Android win for unlimited hotpot app. Amazon says tomorrow for my parts. All good.
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I ripped it all out of my house. I filled a Brute can with phone cable.
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Hahahahahahaaaaa
Been so close to doing same and haven’t for that fear. Stupid phone and coax all over.
I ran some of that phone cable in your house 15 years ago, hahaha
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Too funny.
They seem not to have had any line converters or two line phones, there are two separate biscuits everywhere marked with two numbers or with shop/home. And I think two lines run to each.
Plus two directv things. I’ve chopped a bunch of that coax out. More to go.
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back wired, that was easy. power went out about 5 times on and off while i was running new wire, fun storm ripped through.
Thats funny Ryan. the phone stuff was actually tidy, and i didn't realize how much of it there was till i got into it.
The coax and alarm crap was everywhere. its all gone. have now one line come in to the house to a single junction block, where it splits to my room, and then sadly that goes back outside, up the side of the house and into the second floor. I figure the second floor nonsence ill leave to another day- but at least i know how it works and how to run coax now.
i have about a laundry basket full of wire on the basement floor.
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got an email about my usage, must be something with my thermostat
pretty neat
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30 gallons of kill green applied today to gravel and base of all structures, all poles.
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that seems like a lot
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indeed. I think I put down 2-4 gallons last year? though I do have plenty of things sprouting again now.
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i have a 15 gallon tank and i filled it twice. i use the tractor supply concentrate. works good. way better than anything you can buy at home stores.
cleans up gravel and cuts way down on trimming.
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installed my dish washer today that's been in the box for 2 years in my dining room
haha
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first dishwasher run appears to have been successful in cleanliness and no leaks or suds on floor.
havent had a dishwasher in 20 years, kinda feels weird.
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Sink hasn’t been apartment status for the last year, I hope? Lol
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huh?
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Angle grinder cleanup needed?
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lol
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oh, lol that was the tub in my apartment. had to get out the gojo and scotch brite pad stuck to a cup wire wheel lol
no my kitchen is good haha.
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What’s the backstory? Lol
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ha, I can't imagine not having a dishwasher..
we run it at least every other day!
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7:45 ish power went out today.
ran to shop grabbed all materials and tools to change out my house panel and a couple flash lights if needed.
First time i was able to inspect service feed wires, JJ warned me in old house sometimes they crumble when you touch them. all was good and got the old panel disconnected, swapped feed to new panel and got it hung and set.
took a minute to asses after the potentially sketchy part was completed, and went out to the shop to grab breakers, power came back on while walking to shop!
RGE email says power restored 8:42pm
now with an actual Main breaker on the panel to shut off, i was able to install and bring back most of the house, just need to grab a few more breakers tomorrow.
so nice to organize random spaghetti wires and do it clean the way you want!
success! win!
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Nothing quite like playing with fire! haha. Glad RGE waited to restore until you got the new panel connected :)
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omg you're an animal!
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And not a single 15a square d single pole breaker in Stock at lowe's or Depot. Awesome.
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pics of what you need? I have a couple breakers on the shelf but don't remember exactly what they are.
check Debbie Supply?
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im sure amazon has them, bah
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amazon expensive.
looks like other home depots not too far have a few, i guess i should have looked first. meh
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I have tons of GE's but no SQD's. Do you have a running's near you?
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not really, ill get some. not really emergency. just guessed wrong and no exhaust fan or micro wave right now haha.
didnt have time to trace and label wires before swap so its luck of the draw what i got! in the 10 breakers i had
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grabbed the 8 breakers greece lowes had in stock.
panel swap complete!
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found a new band saw last night exactly what i was looking for. paid half of what i let delphi ones go for auction, and this one is a 2001 model actually with Air power lift!
154" blade 2hp 230v 3phase
hooked it up and swapped the new blade it also came with, made some tweaks and adjustments, cuts mint.
big girl and i like it.
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crane is def nice to move this guy
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tried some DIY cutting fluid
4 gals water
3 cups dish soap
1quart motor oil
got the cutting tray, tank, pump cleaned out and working on the new saw.
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I did very similar, after sitting a while it came out of solution. I think I used atf not motor oil. After sitting still a couple weeks, it was just red on top and I was cutting with soapy water. Curious your results.
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waiting to hear back from shop that i got the saw from, they have 2 full totes of waste oil they want gone, there normal guy that owns the totes is mia. swap new totes or bring them back empty they have Fork lifts on site. 5 min away would be great for my winter of fuel
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Thatd be awesome! My oil scavenging has been on hold. I think I’ve got enough for this year but that’s about it.
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ha, same saw model listed for 3500$ and looks like no air lift like mine has.
winning
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/397262891866703/
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ran more conduit and wire today, added two outdoor barn lights, they are great!
Also, yesterday noticed my scissor lift batteries were not giving more than a few min run after a good 5 hour charge. I have 4 deep cycle 12 batteries in 2 pairs to make 24volts for the unit. some how the charging was allowing only one pair to get charged. under load one side would drop to 5volts and the other pair would hold at 12v. swapped one 2 batteries to mix up the pairs and after a normal charge all is good now again! weird. im not sure i under stand what happened, but kinda makes sense.
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stopped tonight on my way home from moms and dentist appointments to put a deposit on this old girl. pick up to follow when he has a forklift back on site.
sweet old machine, good amount of tooling.
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NICE
cora's cousin swears by horizontal mills. his stuff was the first I'd ever seen one.
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Its a 16" stroke G&E shaper, so not really a mill.
got it to its home tonight, for now. moved over the 4hp drill press a bit closer to the mill and still don't have a happy place for the new band saw thats usfull for cutting 24' sticks down (crane moves it easy though). Id like to add 20' to my machine shop or loose one of my fab tables (2 of them become catch all / store crap benches- bah!)
internet says this shaper is all of 5500lbs being the industrial model- i believe it.
my 4ton chain fall wouldn't budge it off the truck, nor my 3300lb manual fork lift- so lifted it off with the bendpack.
ended up using the 3pt on the tractor at 1/2 the lever arm to pic one end and the manual fork to skate other end.
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That’s no joke.
What’s the desire for it? I don’t understand the point versus a mill.
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with todays tooling advancements for mills yes they are not real common anymore- but automated cutting a flat 16"x16" surface is still pretty cool
also for cutting internal keyways like inside a gear or pulley
i just like it cause its old heavy and cool mostly. Ill probably need a bigger phase converter to acually use it, the 5hp 760RPM motor is a monster.
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I fully support cool old shit for no other reason!
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Have you looked into how much it'd cost to have 3 phase run to your barn?
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probably stupid expensive, not to mention the inspection hassles
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had a minute tonight, ran power to the shaper and got it fired up, checked out, and cutting chips.
https://youtu.be/MKqVOORyncI
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at 19.4% equity after 32 months not bad!
almost time to kill PMI of the bill
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water authority asking permission to have a 235' road frontage x 25' deep permanent easement access on my property to upgrade water line in fall 2022 construction. I know my meter tap is on the end of the line that stops in my front yard.
my neighbor to the east doesn't have public water and i have (silently) disallowed her to run a private line from the end of the MCWA line on my property and risk damage to my lower paved driveway (thats farm built mint right now).
now coming from the west side (gas station top side) im worried they will fubar my upper driveway (thats not on my property) and fuck up the tile that my french drain around the house drains to the road (possibly illegally, also farm built)
bah!
suprising they asked
offering 500$ for troubles.
weird.
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had a nice conversation with the project engineer and she assured me of my concerns so i consented.
other news- too big for a grinder ill use once or twice a year? lol i have a problem. gona grab it if still available next time i run to moms
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1029670870978381/
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lol i have a problem.
more dignified than my problems lol
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Anyway to get those concerns in writing, more than likely whoever is in charge now won't be when project is completed and won't give two f's of your concerns
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good point
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im not going to stress about it. she said they will put my drain back as it was and already had a note about it on the plans. I can flag out my septic corner to help deter machine traffic over it, but i dont think they will be going near it. the upper driveway is out of my hands, off my property. ill fix it with gravel if they dont fix it.
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all this rain has really been chewing up the ends of my driveway!
just added 10 tractor buckets of rock to the aprons to fill in the erosion holes lol
scrapped all the sediment off my paved section.
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ran some conduit this morning and hooked 480v to the new grinder.
sometimes it runs sometimes it pops the breaker to my 5hp phase converter. hmm
might be time for a bigger rotary converter. i see there is a 20HP one on FMP for 800$ now, dam market place lol
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picking up that 20hp converter tomorrow night. probably too big for my sub panel might have to run a 100amp breaker from the main barn pannel lol
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decided neh on the 20hp converter and that it was too big.
did pick up a 10' flashing brake on the way to AOAA this weekend so need to grab a 10" roll of tin and get that piece made fro front of house.
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one tapped hole to bigger size, one weld, two new cotter pins- new 1950s truck push start button for brake lock
200$ brake becomes 1000$ brake after i use it once.
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went to make the 10' piece of flashing, and still had 2' left of brake- i guess its a 12' brake- win.
flashing repaired on house. put more nails in all other pieces. they used like 4 nails on 10' no wonder it just blows off
only got stung once by a million wasps up there. probably not the best day with the high winds but i managed since it was helping keep the wasps from landing on me lol
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how expensive is the 10' of flashing? maybe make a couple more for potential future needs and put it in basement so you dont need a brake again if you plan to sell it.
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10" wide is 14$ at lowes today 10' roll painted white on one side black on other so pretty cheap actually
not sure if ill sell the brake- its handy and i have the room.
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procured a gallon of porch paint, project needed before winter.
prices on 1/2" 0.025" metal band saw blades were stupid, so decided to change over to a 3/4" x 0.035" blade i found on amazon for 32$ a piece, ordered 3 of them that came in today. I cut mostly big dumb stuff or plate, and 95% its straight cutting so no need for a skinny bendy blade.
found that my band saw has carbide guides and not traditional bearing/roller guides. neat. found a box of broken 0.025" guides in the machine, and hiding in the bunch was a pair of new 0.035" guides! win.
swapped all over and thing cutting like a boss.
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go me, painted porch and front stares today.
i should do something about the sad state of non existing landscaping/finishing around my house haha
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only took 8 months of emails, in person branch visits, countless phone calls, a letter sent by me via snail mail, and online banking messages to eliminate the 60$/month PMI charge on my mortgage! whooo hoo!
i am 3 years ahead on my 20 yr mortgage in year4. go me.
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how rude, wind blew my newly replaced piece of flashing off. found it ditch across road today. seems OK. all nails ripped through. guess it needs roofing large head nails.
too soft for bucket van, maybe when it freezes up.
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picked up a pack of metal studs for Shop wall build materials local, turns out the guy did the dirt work for my septic install in 2017, ha!
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rented out my lower gravel area / yard space behind barn for 3months, $500/month to the contractor doing water line install for MCWA
love lawn that makes me money! filled with bucket trucks, tree trucks, excavator today haha
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Nice!
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yup
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Leaving the keys with you?
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no haha
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man i was just in NT sunday and didnt see this! would be all i need for my wall / doors build! bah
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/879114883569813/
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picked up that lot of 250 metal studs. good quality and quantity. mostly 10 and 12' was hoping they were 14 no dice. price def right to make it work.