Author Topic: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis  (Read 32384 times)

Wingman

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2013, 10:18:30 AM »
Not that resale is ever considered when building a project, but a 4.0 will always get top dollar over a 2.5.

Another reason why the Rubicons demand more $$ = D44s front and rear, selectable lockers front and rear, 4:1 t-case, 4 wheel disc brakes all already present.  This stuff adds up fast when upgrading.

So many considerations!  Bwahahahaha...  ;D
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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2013, 10:23:28 AM »
gee.. I hope we have not crushed your dream to much... not that we are trying to scare you.

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2013, 11:08:43 AM »
buddy of mine parting out his TJ in CT.... clean as you can get for parts..

Quote from: Stainless
I've started disassembling the TJ and the Tag Sale is now open.  For now, I'm holding onto the front axle, steering linkage, engine (checking to see how hard it would be to upgrade the MJ), and the transfer case.  Everything else is up for grabs.   If you need photos, let me know and I'll send them to you.
    Poison Spyder Trail Cage (SOLD)
  • Poison Spyder Rocker Knocker Rock Sliders $250
  • Poison Spyder Crusher Corners $350
  • Warn Front Rock Krawler Bumper with Custom Adjustable and Removable Stinger with winch plate $350
  • Warn Rear Rock Krawler Bumper with Tire Carrier and Frame Tie-ins (SOLD)
  • Warn Steering Box Skid $35
  • Clayton Cross Member/Belly-up Skid/Engine Skid   $300
  • Clayton 5.5” Log-Arm Lift $1500
  • Tomkin Fuel Tank Skid Plate (SOLD)
  • Ford 8.8 Rear Axle with Ected Locker and 4.56 Gears and HD Diff Cover (Trussed and configured for Clayton LA lift) $1000
  • OnBoard Air system: York Compressor/Mount Plate/Air Tank/Pressure Switch $300
  • Blue Torch Fab Flat Fenders with Custom Flares and Fender Wells $350
  • JKS Swaybar disconnects $75
  • Warn i8000 winch $300
  • Tuffy center console security box $125
  • Bestop soft top with frame and quick disconnects for easy frame removal $200
  • Bestop 1/2 cab top with tonneau $75
  • Hard 1/2 door uppers with sliding glass $250
Of course there is all kinds of stock TJ stuff available, hood, tub, seats, 1/2 doors, windshield, etc...
    Hood (SOLD)
I never wanted a red car.. always thought they were tacky and common...
I now have 4 very not common cars and they are all red.. :o

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »
shipping isnt a problem as long as you are in no hurry...
my Jeep is going down to CT eventually...
I never wanted a red car.. always thought they were tacky and common...
I now have 4 very not common cars and they are all red.. :o

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2013, 11:19:09 AM »
Is that as much of a steal on the Warn as I think it is?

Hmm, there's an m8000 that's about a $575 winch with steel cable. Not sure what an i8000 is.
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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2013, 11:34:31 AM »
Prob still time to buy the truck complete.. Jim doesnt work very fast...

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It's time to let someone else enjoy this TJ.  I've been building a MJ and don't want to support two wheeling rigs so the TJ has to go.  I'll try selling it intact for a couple weeks and if nothing happens, I'll start parting it out.  Basically the only thing I'd keep would be the front axle and perhaps the rear.  It does need a little TLC to make it perfect again but it is functional as it is.

The photo below is from CoolRide last week.  Asking $11,500 as shown less the dirt or $10K without the wheels/tires (Wheels/tires are new and I wish to put them on the MJ)

 

Here is a link to the build to see all of the details as to what mods were performed

http://www.jonfund.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=6665&Number=68346#Post68346

Some Details:
4.0L/Manual trans
Rocktrack Transfer case from TJ Rubicon 4:1 gears (much stronger than stock 231)
Front Axle: Trussed HP D30 with Alloy USA shafts and Arb air locker, 4.56 gear ratio
Rear Axle: Ford 8.8 with Ected electric locker, Disk Brakes, 4.56 gears
TrXus 35x12.50x15 in steelies with welded on rim stiffeners
Clayton 5.5" Long Arm Lift (Installed by Bob Swinski)
Clayton Belly-up cross member and main skid plate
Clayton Engine Skid
HD Fuel Tank Skid
Steering Box Skid
JKS Swaybar disconnects
Currie HD steering linkage (Custom Gussett at weak point)
Front/Rear WARN Rock Krawler Bumpers with Tire Carrier and rear frame tie-ins
Custom Front Stinger (Adjustable and removable)
Poison Spyder Rock Sliders
Poison Spyder Rear Corner Crushers with flares
Poison Spyder Trai Cage with rear cross bar and custom Clayton risers
Blue Torch Fab flat fenders with custom flares and modified fender wells to keep mud away from engine
Battery relocated to rear with quick disconnect switch in cab
1.25" Body Lift
M.O.R.E Engine lift
On-Board Air: York Compressor with custom mount plate and air tank/pressure switch
Warn i8000 winch
Tuffy center console security box
Bestop soft top with quick disconnects for frame
Bestop 1/2 cab top with tonneau (not shown)
Hard 1/2 door uppers with sliding glass
CB and antenna

There is probably stuff I'm forgetting but I think I have most of it.

Post here, PM,  or call my cell (203) six-7-six 7-four-3-eight, if interested.  Its located near Middletown CT
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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2013, 11:43:39 AM »
If Arie can't for some reason, I could also deliver for a reasonable cost if needed. I live 20min from and work in Middletown.

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 11:55:15 AM »
Not crushed. Yet. Not really a dream, just having a good time.


The 2.5 was a "bang for the buck" thing. The $2.5K that an older i6 in similar shape (it was actually a 94) cost was out of range at the time. When we bought this one the intent was to sell all the current spares and just use it for DD. The 101 pretty much killed that. The June trip to Rausch buried it 6' under.


Now, the wife doesn't know about this forum so I can show my hand here and you can all call me nuts.


I'd like to get the TJ to a point where I can go to Rausch and Big Dawgs (I think that's VA, right) and enjoy some fun without worrying that I'll make it back. I expect to make a few trips a year with more time at places like Whispering Pines than Rausch. If we (Mrs says she likes Rausch) then I expect to purchase MLC 2 to be a dedicated off road vehicle. Not sure I'd go buggy, but certainly something capable of getting me way in over my head (and back out again).


So things like gears to run the 33s full time, skid plates, inexpensive upgrades (like ZJ tie rod) are in line. Things like seats are good as they can be swapped later (thinking Cabera(sp)). Not to sure a t-case would fit but then again, if I do another TJ I could swap it. Full axle swaps (d30 to d40) would get me shot, but I could probably replace the live shafts (not sure what you call them in the auto world) for chromoly as a "insurance" measure.


To answer a direct question on cost: How should I spend the first $2000. Exclude tires and other "consumables". This is just on parts upgrades.


My ordered list for the first $2k was
1. ZJ tie rod
2. Gears (4.52 as I have been convinced that 4.88 is bad for 30/35)
3. Front locker.


I wasn't able to figure out the second $2k and started to question my first $2k.
Mid Life Crisis in the making -- '02 TJ i4 manual, Aussie Locker magic pulling from the front

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 11:59:40 AM »
Just saw the parts list... Dang. I wasn't thinking of staring until winter but at those prices.... I could get the whole rear axle and only need to gear the front. Heck, I can replace my dead soft top for half what I was thinking.


I simultaneously like and dislike you Arie.
Mid Life Crisis in the making -- '02 TJ i4 manual, Aussie Locker magic pulling from the front

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 12:01:33 PM »


My ordered list for the first $2k was
1. ZJ tie rod
2. Gears (4.52 as I have been convinced that 4.88 is bad for 30/35)
3. Front locker.


I wasn't able to figure out the second $2k and started to question my first $2k.


take the 2K and buy a set of used, geard and locked axles...
or do the rear first and front later..
dont dump money into the D35.. or D30 for that measure unless your looking to spend the money on RCVs and an ARB..
just my 2 cents..

and i dont know whay I have a hard on for the ZJ thing.. I just think its a waste in the long run..
check this out..
http://www.jcroffroad.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=STR
on a retail level QUALITY parts for the ZJ swap is the same money.. and your killing 2 birds with one stone.
other companys make a simmilar setup as well.
I never wanted a red car.. always thought they were tacky and common...
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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2013, 12:03:14 PM »
The BEST consumer is and EDUCATED consumer..

dont buy because you think... buy because you KNOW!
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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
If you lock the front, expect to break shafts.  Have some spares or upgrade now.

And the ZJ upgrade is 1000x stronger than stock and "off the shelf" parts.  Not bad for just over $100.  But, it subtracts some clearance.
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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2013, 12:27:03 PM »
take the 2K and buy a set of used, geard and locked axles...

This is by far the best option. Just may require some patience.

ZJ steering only requires upgrading the tie rod, not the entire assembly. $100 and done as Mark said. If you're whole steering setup has seen better days... JCR may be the best bet.

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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2013, 02:57:28 PM »
Ford 8.8 with 4.56 gears and a Dana 30 to match. If you are worried about strength in the 30 just leave it open and lock the rear axle. I myself hated just a rear locker when I had my Jeep setup like that for a year or so. I am all for a locked Dana 30 up to 35" tires as long as you have spare shafts and can learn what situations will really stress the shafts and avoid them. As for steering I run the Currie steering and absolutely love it. It has held up without one problem for many many years. The v8 zj tie rod is a good investment for the price and will take some abuse.


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Re: '02 TJ with i4 -- Mid Life Crisis
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2013, 10:09:06 PM »
I really second what Nick said. I think its a good way to learn to wheel instead of HAMMER DOWN the GO Pedal . I made the switch to the zj tie rod due to bending the stock one.