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Title: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on May 30, 2013, 02:43:37 PM
I call my truck "shitty dodge"

bought with 199k miles I believe 3 years ago.

now have 230k miles (I had a 94 escort manual to DD with before I came to Rochester for RIT)

I originally bought it to be used as tow rig for my towing needs. Right now I don't really have anything to tow with right now. So it's mainly my DD when the weather's bad or far distance. I ride my bicycle to school whenever I can.

I am running WMO as W85(Waste Motor Oil) in the 12v Cummins. Most alternative fuel user will call it as W85, in meaning of 85% waste oil to 15% RUG (Regular Unleaded Gasoline), if you wonder what it means.

I has been running on WMO for approximately 7k miles now. During that 7k miles I had around three tanks of straight D2 (didn't bring enough WMO with me on one of my road trip). Clogged a fuel filter once. Harder to start when cold and require pedal to fire but will always starts. Will not idle on its own when cold as well so I installed a "pull and turn to lock" kind of cable from NAPA, attached to the pedal for the cold start and driving so I don't need to drive with both of my feet.

I built my filtering set-up to process waste oil into usable fuel for my truck in my garage. I blend my waste oil with 15% RUG to settle out majority of dirt/sludges and water then I pump it through a set of motor oil filters, into centrifuging barrel, using pabiodiesel 55 GPH (I wish I have gone with something bigger lol).

more on that later when I get pics of it.

I built the trans last year. I pulled it out at 210k miles, IIRC, to rebuild/upgrade. The trans looked original but EVERYTHING inside looks FANTASTIC for this mileage. ABSOLUTELY no problem spotted anywhere.  I did the clutch pack upgrade (i used big blue's step by step to do this on compd). I put in billet accumulator piston, second gear servo, and all other small goodies. I bought my $300 single billet disk tq converter locally in chicago, no problem with it whatsoever. sadly no billet input shaft, but that's in the plan in future, with other more goodies to hold up for more power, or 6 speed manual swap. The valve body has been upgraded too. this trans work great, no slipping. I'm running 50% DIII, 50% tractor hydraulic fluid.

The engine are relatively stock, other than turned up pump. The pump have advanced timing to ~16*, gauges (pyro, trans, boost, and fuel pressure), Mack plug, AFC housing mods, and a fuel plate grinded into a 100 profile. If I remove the fuel plate, my truck can make dang near 50 psi of boost at WOT, but of course EGT are pegged hardcore. I am running the 100 fuel plate in it to limit the boost to ~35 psi boost max and no HIGH egt.

I am planning to do some upgrade to the front end in near future. I found a set of ford ball joint knuckles with the bolt-on calipers on pirate4x4 and should be here in mail soon.

I'll need to get everything else.....

-spindle
-hub
-35 spline stubs
-yukon hardcore locking hubs
-78/79 ford D60 driver side inner shaft, 35 spline
-99-04 ford D60 passenger side inner shaft, 35 spline
-an axle shaft seal of a kind for the passenger side of the pumpkin
-brakes (calipers, rotors, and pads)
-and some small pieces... as usual.

I am still not sure if I should ditch the D70U for a D80....

In the next few weeks I'll put on new flip out towing mirrors to replace my stock floppy mirrors and put on the door panels i got from mr.mindless (thanks!) and upgrade trans oil pan to goerend's unit and some kind of bigger oil cooler up front, possibly with a fan to help it to stay cool this year when I go on the sands again in silver lake. last year my truck's trans temp rose to around 275'ish IIRC  :o





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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on May 30, 2013, 03:03:01 PM
Hmm, if yours is "Shitty Dodge", Idk what mine should have been called haha

Nice rig. I'll definitely be interested in seeing the centrifuge setup. I'm starting with sock filters (today actually) and running 30% to see how it does, 3 tanks of D2 in 7k miles is impressive!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 30, 2013, 03:04:16 PM
complete BJ D60s have been had recently for $300. So keep them in mind when piecing together the spindles/hubs etc.

see discussion here about the Yukon blem shafts which are marketed as USA standard. Skip to post 44 for pics with the joints installed.
http://bb.m4wdfabrications.com/index.php?topic=769.0
Rock auto sell the 35spline USA Standard 4340 stubs for $60 each ($138 shipped/pair). check the pirate vender i linked in the first post of that other thread.

Is the 78/79 ford D60 driver side inner shaft commonly used for the CAD delete? I have one you can have. Its a stock neckdown shaft. Yukon Hardcore Lockouts are the way to go. They are $270 shipped from a vender on pirate (afaik, thats the cheapest).
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Nick on May 30, 2013, 03:35:29 PM
Hi ho to another alternate fuel Cummins guy!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on May 30, 2013, 08:06:57 PM
complete BJ D60s have been had recently for $300. So keep them in mind when piecing together the spindles/hubs etc.

see discussion here about the Yukon blem shafts which are marketed as USA standard. Skip to post 44 for pics with the joints installed.
http://bb.m4wdfabrications.com/index.php?topic=769.0
Rock auto sell the 35spline USA Standard 4340 stubs for $60 each ($138 shipped/pair). check the pirate vender i linked in the first post of that other thread.

Is the 78/79 ford D60 driver side inner shaft commonly used for the CAD delete? I have one you can have. Its a stock neckdown shaft. Yukon Hardcore Lockouts are the way to go. They are $270 shipped from a vender on pirate (afaik, thats the cheapest).

I forgot to add to the list, I'll need 35 spline side gears to put in the carrier to accept the 35 spline shafts (I think it's 30 or 32 spline stock in dodge bj D60). And block off plate when I remove the cad mess.

I'm not too sure I'll want the stock 78/79 axle shaft with the neck down as that'll be the weakest link on entire of the axle assembly when I'm done. If its a non-neck down then I may be interested.

The cad is on the passenger side of the D60. The 78/79 inner left axle shaft is correct in length to use to get the 35 spline shafts without going custom. The 99-04 Ford SD D60's inner right is also correct in length to delete the cad and get the 35 spline shafts.

Info can be found here on how to cobble something together to make those dodge BJ D60 somewhat decent. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/dodge/653085-dodge-dana-60-front-tech.html
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on May 30, 2013, 08:12:59 PM
Nick and Harrison-

Be warned, if you expect your truck to run smokeless on WMO, you'll be disappointed. Otherwise enjoy the money saving!!!! Every 50 gallons I burn, it only cost me approximately $30-$35. Better than $200 at $4/ea gal!!!!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 31, 2013, 08:39:19 AM
i have 35spline side gears you can have.

my chromo inners were 175 shipped. see that other thread.


sounds like you have it planned out nice. I'll keep an eye out for a ford D60 for you. Iver bought 3 78-79 D60s around this area in the past year. paid $450 max, and sold 2 housing for $400. So if you found one of those you could easily make money on the deal. BJ housings are still worth money, but not as much.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 04, 2013, 11:11:00 PM
Anyone know where I can buy por-15 locally? I want to use some of it in/on bottom of my doors while I have the panels off to prevent any rust from growing (no rust there as far as I've seen and want it to remain that way).
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 04, 2013, 11:13:21 PM
i have 35spline side gears you can have.

my chromo inners were 175 shipped. see that other thread.


sounds like you have it planned out nice. I'll keep an eye out for a ford D60 for you. Iver bought 3 78-79 D60s around this area in the past year. paid $450 max, and sold 2 housing for $400. So if you found one of those you could easily make money on the deal. BJ housings are still worth money, but not as much.

Thanks for the 35 spline side gears! Post here or pm me if you find something for me that I could use.

I tried to find those 4340 usa standard axle shafts on rock auto website but I can't find exact what I need so ill try to call rockauto to order what I want.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on June 18, 2013, 05:08:07 PM
this trans work great, no slipping. I'm running 50% DIII, 50% tractor hydraulic fluid.

Finally catching up on some reading and got to this thread - that's an interesting recipe to run in a trans whose family is famously picky on fluid. What's the reasoning behind that? Everything that I've read says the clutch packs don't last with Dex fluid in there
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 20, 2013, 12:23:38 AM
http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120969

This thread is what made me to run hydraulic fluid & DIII mix. I bought 5 gallon of tractor hydraulic oil with green lid from oreilly for way less than what it'll cost for DIII or the gold-mixed ATF+4. I follow many of big blue's auto trans modding ideas. Mind you, goerend recommend DIII with a bottle of lubeguard.

The main reason I go hydraulic fluid cuz it have more higher temperature tolerance before failing and better holding for clutches and better sealing and cheaper to buy. Worked fine in the winter at 50/50 ratio.
Title: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on June 20, 2013, 09:37:04 AM
Very interesting read.

I do wonder how the clutch longevity might change. CompD is full of folks who think a 50k trans life is normal - but in those trucks it often is. My dodge auto experience is limited to gassers - where they last 50k+ crawling no problem.

I might think about the higher end tractor fluid as a fill for a few things now that I wouldnt have before.



You've got a 1500 stall in that thing? Wow.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 21, 2013, 05:43:44 AM
I don't have that 1500 rpm stall converter in my truck right now. I have goerend's triple disk stalled to 1500 rpm and their upgraded valve body back at home waiting for my next round of trans upgrade/rebuild. I'm waiting to "find" some $ (i hoped to get that VA tow job!) to buy billet input shaft and some other little sonnax billet goodies then the trans will be coming out then that's when I'll inspect how it reacted the tractor fluid and decide if I'll run that again or go back to 100% DIII.

My truck currently have billet single disk with lower stall than stock. No idea what it's rated at but not much less than stock stall. In my opinion it is still way too loose, becaus soon as I can lock up the converter, the truck literally take off so I know that 1500 rpm stall will be the ticket for my driving habit and goerend said this is their most selling stall speed.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 11, 2013, 07:41:06 PM
I thought that I'll make a post on how I'm doing my WMO operations

most pics are self-explanation



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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 11, 2013, 07:59:14 PM
the truck had 270 gallons of heating oil in the tote and 50ish gallons of WMO. total of 320 gallons so it equals to approximately 2,500 lbs sitting in the bed and the truck handled it pretty well.



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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: rejeep on July 11, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 15, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
My summer Christmas!

Almost have everything I need/want to start the swap! Still need differential cover gasket, wheel bearing grease, diff lube, 35 spline side gears, more rtv, and buy some cheap center caps to try cut hole in it for the hubs for factory look.


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on January 11, 2014, 09:14:49 PM
Did some work to it.

New wheels and tires, and Bedlined the lower third of the truck.

New wheels/tires only
(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture35754-image.jpg)

New wheels/tires + bedlined lower third.

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture35762-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture35770-image.jpg)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: dubt on January 11, 2014, 10:24:06 PM
looks good


I dig the bed liner on the bottom
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on January 11, 2014, 10:52:30 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/unapebev.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/u7ehy2e6.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/y6aquryg.jpg)

Left to right: 265/70R17 BFG Rugged Trail with approx half tread (stock off a 2006 ram 2500). 285/75R16 BFG All-Terrain worn out. 295/70R17 Hankook Dynapro ATM brand new. The new tire measures perfectly 33" tall. If my old BFG A/T have 100% treads, it'll be close as tall.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on January 11, 2014, 10:56:13 PM
On my way to home for the winter break, one of my old tire had a major failure. I believe it's belt(s) broke so it bulged. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/9aqu2uga.jpg)

Lucky I already planned to get new tires the following week.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on January 12, 2014, 09:22:23 AM
Third gen wheels look great on there.


Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)ing in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: etk300ex on January 12, 2014, 10:57:16 AM
Yeah looks good
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M on January 12, 2014, 11:12:50 AM
The ram looks damn good.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 08:24:40 AM
I think I figured out a way to stuff a 14.23"x1.54" rotors and huge calipers on the front, nearly bolt-on (and if it do work as expected, it'll work on dually hubs too). Waiting on rotors from Arie  ;D
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on April 03, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
that sounds bigger than third gen stuff but smaller than F450 if memory serves. what application?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 08:38:14 AM
P30 rotors, 2013 Ram 2500 calipers (4th gen?). If I remember correctly 2013 rams still use 17" rims so I should be ok with this set up
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: etk300ex on April 03, 2014, 08:54:32 AM
stepping up to size of my 1/2 ton!  haha
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on April 03, 2014, 08:56:22 AM
sweet.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on April 03, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Got any details on the brake stuff? How will you mount the calipers? I'd love to upgrade brakes and I'm not sure I really need to do Ford stuff.

I wonder if a 16.5" rim is close enough to 17" to work... :)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on April 03, 2014, 04:16:05 PM
your pour souls with rear drums


my truck stopped nice always with shit trailer brakes.  was sketchy when the rear brake line blew and had to tow home with just fronts though
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2014, 04:23:54 PM
I have no problem with my truck with drums
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 04:30:47 PM
I plan on to retrofit either 3rd or 4th gen rams' rear disc brakes but I want to make sure the front will work first. 4th gen's rear brakes is bigger than 3rd gen's brakes!!!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 04:32:48 PM
It'll need to be 95-97 ford knuckles to work. I still need to get the rotor first to see if it'll work. The 2013 caliper bracket is just around 1/4" off from bolting  right up. I'll use dremel with burr to cut until it fit.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 04:33:28 PM
From eye balling, I think the caliper will be very close or touching the rotor but hard to tell without the rotor but it's close.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 04:35:05 PM
Harrison- I remember I saw your jeep, it have the 95-97 ford knuckles (yes I check things out closely lol) so you might can swap between that and your ram to get the bigger brakes on the ram. However idk if stock h1 rims will fit ford outers.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on April 03, 2014, 05:08:35 PM
Those knuckles have been molested, before I had the Ram and before I know bolt on calipers were harder to come by. I'll keep an eye on this thread, though I wonder if I'd just be satisfied with Ford dual pistons since I will end up with them anyway.

Can you use the simple 14b rear disc conversion stuff on a D80? Assuming someone like Ruffstuff makes D80 brackets.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
That's too easy cuz I'll lose the parking brake which I want to keep. I have 2 sets of 95-97 knuckles in my garage. One is still on a complete ford SRW d60. I'm using the other set to mock up the new brakes. I'll like to keep a set for now for my other project eventually but nonetheless at least a set will be up for sale when I'm done with it for experimenting.

I explore into this brake upgrade because I'm not exactly satisfied with my brakes even it's ALL new last fall. It do stops fine but IMHO it can be better. When I changed from dodge stuff to the ford goodies, the improvement wasn't immensely.

My dad's 03 Blazer's brakes will come to stop quickly by my foot's weight alone, if stomped, some of my teeth will be stuck in the steering wheel which my ram will not. Lot of effort on the pedal for the same braking power (generally speaking ).  It'll be awesome if it'll stops almost like a car. I'm not sure if I'm expecting too much but even then, the thing *should* stops very well considering it's a truck built to haul/tow anyhow.

Arie???? (Echoes) I need the P30 rotors so I can confirm if this will work! Can't wait haha.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: cracker on April 03, 2014, 06:21:13 PM
Do you tow alot?  Seems a lot of hassle to upgrade if the extra power is not really needed.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 06:40:37 PM
I like to do new things. It seemly to be almost a bolt-on deal so I'll try to make it happen. I'm sure many will appreciate this upgrade among 92-97 and 99-04 ford, 94-99 dodge Dana 60s. 
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 03, 2014, 11:34:18 PM
heres some pics

Pads

top 09-up Ram 2500

middle 95-97 F350

bottom 94-99 Ram 2500

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture39738-top-bottom-2013-ram-2500-97-f350-97-ram-2500.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture39746-97-f350-2013-ram-2500.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture39754-2013-ram-2500-caliper.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture39770-97-f350-caliper.jpg)

94-99 Ram 2500 caliper piston area:

Bore Size=3.14

Pi*r^2=area

Pi*(3.14/2)^2=7.74in^2

95-97 F350 caliper piston area:

Bore Size=2.21

(Pi*(2.21/2)^2)*2=7.67in^2

Take note, the stock dodge stuff have more surface area than the Ford's

2009+ Ram 2500 caliper piston area:

Bore Size=2.334

(Pi*(2.334/2)^2)2=8.56in^2

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((After - Before) / Before)*100 = percentage in change.

94-99 Ram 2500 to 95-97 F350

((7.67-7.74)/7.74)*100=-0.9%

95-97 F350 to 09+ Ram 2500

((8.56-7.67)/7.67)*100=11.6%

94-99 Ram 2500 to 09+ Ram 2500

((8.56-7.74)/7.74)*100=10.6%
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 04, 2014, 12:03:06 AM
09+ Ram 2500 rear rotor

(http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/995695)

Part Number: NB 48880733
Product Line: NAPA Brakes Rotors
Attributes:
# of Bolt Holes : 8
Bolt Circle Diameter : 6.5"
Brake Rotor Diameter : 14.09"
Brake Rotor Discard Thickness : 32.4 mm
Brake Rotor Thickness New : 1.34"
Brake Rotor Type : Brake Rotor-dih Parking Brake
Center Hole Diameter : 4.85"
Height : 4.91"
Maximum Lateral Runout : .004"
Vented / Solid : Vented
Mounting Type : Type K - Rotor Only. Wheel Studs Are Pressed Into The Hub Only. The Rotor Is A Loose Fit On The Hub & Is Retained By Either Machine Screws Or The Wheel Nuts. See Diagram For More Information.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 04, 2014, 12:04:34 AM
03-08 Ram 2500 front rotor

(http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/672350)

Part Number: NB 48880143
Product Line: NAPA Brakes Rotors
Attributes:
# of Bolt Holes : 8
Bolt Circle Diameter : 6.5"
Brake Rotor Diameter : 13.89"
Brake Rotor Discard Thickness : 1.34"
Brake Rotor Thickness New : 1.41"
Brake Rotor Type : Disc Brake Rotor Only
Center Hole Diameter : 4.82"
Height : 4.01"
Maximum Lateral Runout : .004"
Vented / Solid : Vented
Mounting Type : Type K - Rotor Only. Wheel Studs Are Pressed Into The Hub Only. The Rotor Is A Loose Fit On The Hub & Is Retained By Either Machine Screws Or The Wheel Nuts. See Diagram For More Information.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 04, 2014, 12:05:45 AM
P30 rotor

(http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/780437)

Part Number: NB 4885980
Product Line: NAPA Brakes Rotors
Attributes:
# of Bolt Holes : 8
Bolt Circle Diameter : 6.5"
Brake Rotor Diameter : 14.23"
Brake Rotor Discard Thickness : 1.46"
Brake Rotor Thickness New : 1.54"
Brake Rotor Type : Disc Brake Rotor Only
Center Hole Diameter : 5.13"
Height : 3.21"
Maximum Lateral Runout : .004"
Vented / Solid : Vented
Mounting Type : Type M - Rotor Only. Rotor Is Attached To A Splined Hub By Studs That Are Pressed & Swaged/enlarged On Their Outer Edges To Hold Hub & Rotor Together. Replace The Complete Assembly If Hub Flange Is Bent Or Damaged. See Diagram For More Information.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 04, 2014, 12:06:46 AM
95-97 F350 rotor

(http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/761664)

Part Number: NB 4886476
Product Line: NAPA Brakes Rotors
Attributes:
# of Bolt Holes : 8
Bolt Circle Diameter : 6.5"
Brake Rotor Diameter : 12.95"
Brake Rotor Discard Thickness : 1.12"
Brake Rotor Thickness New : 1.19"
Brake Rotor Type : Disc Brake Rotor Only
Center Hole Diameter : 5.13"
Height : 3.1"
Maximum Lateral Runout : .004"
Vented / Solid : Vented
Mounting Type : Type L - Rotor Only. The Rotor Is Mounted Inboard Of The Hub. The Hub & Rotor Sections Are Bolted Together. Replace The Complete Assembly If Hub Flange Is Bent Or Damaged. See Diagram For More Information.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 04, 2014, 12:07:38 AM
09+ Ram 2500 rotor

(http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/995699)

Part Number: NB 48880736
Product Line: NAPA Brakes Rotors
Attributes:
# of Bolt Holes : 8
Bolt Circle Diameter : 6.5"
Brake Rotor Diameter : 14.18"
Brake Rotor Discard Thickness : 37.4 mm
Brake Rotor Thickness New : 1.54"
Brake Rotor Type : Brake Rotor
Center Hole Diameter : 4.85"
Height : 4.02"
Maximum Lateral Runout : .004"
Vented / Solid : Vented
Mounting Type : Type K - Rotor Only. Wheel Studs Are Pressed Into The Hub Only. The Rotor Is A Loose Fit On The Hub & Is Retained By Either Machine Screws Or The Wheel Nuts. See Diagram For More Information.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 04, 2014, 12:08:38 AM
94-99 Ram 2500 rotor

(http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/667647)

Part Number: NB 4886324
Product Line: NAPA Brakes Rotors
Attributes:
# of Bolt Holes : 8
Bolt Circle Diameter : 6.5"
Brake Rotor Diameter : 12.5"
Brake Rotor Discard Thickness : 1.46"
Brake Rotor Thickness New : 1.54"
Brake Rotor Type : Disc Brake Rotor Only
Center Hole Diameter : 5.41"
Height : 2.76"
Maximum Lateral Runout : .004"
Vented / Solid : Vented
Mounting Type : Type L - Rotor Only. The Rotor Is Mounted Inboard Of The Hub. The Hub & Rotor Sections Are Bolted Together. Replace The Complete Assembly If Hub Flange Is Bent Or Damaged. See Diagram For More Information.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on April 04, 2014, 08:18:34 AM
Some pretty significant differences.  :o
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 16, 2014, 02:41:30 PM
Getting there (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture40394-image.jpg)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 25, 2014, 12:29:30 PM
(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture40970-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture40978-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture40994-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture41002-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture41010-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture41026-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture41034-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture41042-image.jpg)
It fits. Only 4 mods needed to do is (1)turn down the hub's flange and (2) the hub pilot diameter slightly, (3) elongate the caliper mount holes and (4) 0.40" spacer between the caliper mount and the bracket.

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-shitty+dodge-picture41050-image.jpg)
P30 on left, 09+ ram 2500 on right. The P30 rotor WILL NOT work with 09+ ram 2500's caliper as it's pad is taller and will overhang.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2014, 12:54:50 PM
Maybe I'll be able to see better on a computer with larger pictures, but "elongating caliper mounting holes" sounds slightly sketchy?

 Also, depending on where the pads are overhanging, it may be a very easy fix to just grind that part of the friction material away. It's really not a problem at all until things are worn to the point where the brake pads could interfere with one another and interfere with clamping the rotor properly


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 25, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
I have same concern with elongating the holes.

I think knuckles are cast iron of some sort but I have a bit of idea to find a solid .4" spacer to be welded on to get some strength back instead of stacked washers. I also think about try to find a right size rods to be cut/grind to be inserted in the hole and welded/tacked in place where the bolt won't be, so it can't get out of alignment and also to get some strength back.

However the thin part of the hole shouldn't see as much stress when in use because the bolt will be loaded in the rotation direction so it'll be up against the thicker part of the hole.

I want to do this without modifying wear parts (calipers, pads, rotors) whenever possible.


Also, take note, this new brake set-up will widen the wms-wms by 0.80" overall due to the rotor's face thickness is 0.40".
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 05, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-my+dodge-picture42369-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-my+dodge-picture42377-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-my+dodge-picture42385-image.jpg)

Chicago to Las Vegas.

I got to the summit of the Vail Pass before I knew it. It wasn't that bad but the descending part was the most challenging part considering I don't have an exhaust brake. However I managed it quite well by shift her into 1st and periodically brake to bring the speed back down. The egt went down to ~150-200 lol.

I love the 5x12 I put in before the trip but I'm definitely under on air. HE351CW is on my list to put on.

 
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: rejeep on July 05, 2014, 06:28:22 PM
Was just there 4 weeks ago.. nothing will stop me from getting back there with 2-3 rigs for a stint..
Title: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 05, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
All I can say is try to avoid using the service brake as much as possible especially when towing cuz the brake fade is terrifying when you NEED it. I experienced it once before I got in the really steep part and luckily I got it before it get out of control. IMO the going up is the easier part, at least for my truck.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2014, 04:47:58 PM
Mechanical bulls, eh?


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2014, 04:49:12 PM
Down is always the hard part. You don't see runaway truck ramps on the climb, do you? Nuff said


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 07, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
I cant find any v band clamp or the o-ring at D&W Diesel and can't find anything online that I can get it locally without going to dealer (Dodge nor Cummins).

Anyone know where I can get new v-band clamp and the 0-ring at the turbo's compressor outlet? it leaks bad where the "elbow" mates to the turbo's compressor outlet.

Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 02:25:37 PM
I get my Cummins parts at Regional International... Genuine for the win.

I might have that V-band clamp, but definitely no oring. Not sure if that's the clamp, either. Turbo is gone so I can't compare. I just think I remember seeing one around the garage.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 07, 2014, 02:27:48 PM
i think it's a 2.5" clamp

fyi my phone is trashed so contact me through here or PM, thanks!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 08, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
I got the turbo's compressor outlet sealed.

Found a leak in my intercooler after I fixed the massive leak. I wonder how long JB weld will last on the intercooler? I think it won't hurt to try, however I don't want to do this if it's fixable at some radiator/cooler shop.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on July 08, 2014, 11:42:58 PM
found my maybe right clamp if you need it. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/a3yvudur.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/eradu2yg.jpg)

JB may hold if you can get it slobbered on there an through the hole well and a good clean surface for adhesion on both sides. My old intercooler is gone.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 09, 2014, 11:07:43 AM
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/4559528232.html


this is all you
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 09, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
I already emailed him last night! haha. still waiting on response.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 09, 2014, 04:37:52 PM
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/4560865127.html

im texting on this
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 09, 2014, 04:50:53 PM
I already called him and I'll pick it up tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on July 10, 2014, 10:47:03 AM
my drum is over 2/3's full again haha
Title: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 10, 2014, 04:42:31 PM
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/4560865127.html

im texting on this

This guy texted me wondering where you were.

PM me your email addy
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 11, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/4560865127.html

im texting on this

This guy texted me wondering where you were.

PM me your email addy

Soon as I leave the house, I'm unreachable! haha

I couldn't find the place and for some reason the interpreter on relay I used to call him told me 520. I came back home and call him again and double check on address and it's actually 1520. The "1" was left out. Stupid but I got the oil, all good now. 

PMing you my email address for any future contact needs.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 02, 2014, 11:33:40 PM
Did my first pull, did 251' and could've done more due to lack of experience. Placed 11 out of 14 or 15 trucks.

http://youtu.be/WjCoJ5vS9L8
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on August 03, 2014, 08:12:54 AM
Nice!  What would you do different on your next pull?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: dubt on August 03, 2014, 08:17:56 AM
That was great
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2014, 02:03:37 PM
The first thing will be to build more boost and launch MUCH more harder. It took off relatively easier than what I thought it would've, hence I took off prematurely.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2014, 05:32:32 PM
is that the dana80 i put together?  nooooice
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
Yes, the D80 held up decently this summer so far! Thanks man!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 24, 2014, 04:57:15 PM
(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-my+dodge-picture46082-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-my+dodge-picture46074-image.jpg)

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/members/trailtamer+xj-albums-my+dodge-picture46066-image.jpg)

http://youtu.be/GGAaNSAY8Lg

http://youtu.be/bowV83zyUzo
It shouldn't do this.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 24, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
So it broke where the input shaft is welded to the gear?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on October 24, 2014, 06:54:15 PM
I believe that's a splined connection that stripped oit
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on October 24, 2014, 07:06:04 PM
I'll be damned! That seems a crazy failure to me versus an output shaft but I guess those do that, eh?


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on October 24, 2014, 07:52:08 PM
neat
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 24, 2014, 07:56:45 PM
It's not uncommon for stock input shafts to strips in the hub, even in bone stock trucks too I believe. Although, some reported they push 500+ hp through a stock input shaft for years, while some others breaks them in bone stock trucks driving like a grandpa.

Billet 300m one piece input shafts (stock input shaft is 2-pieces, as you can see here, it's stripped where mine go together) are a big upgrade but they go for ~$7-800.

Also yeah outputs don't always breaks but if it breaks, it can be replaced without tranny removal actually. Many people consider the stock output are preferred over a billet output so it act as a fuse because if it breaks, nothing it'll take out and are easy to replace verses input shaft, flex plate, and some more.

Whatever.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on October 24, 2014, 07:58:46 PM
so whats the plan?


odd it broke not even under load
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on October 24, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
NV4500 to the rescue
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 24, 2014, 09:31:49 PM
Many people on diesel forums said their input shaft usually breaks AFTER an event where the input shaft got damaged.

In my case I think it's just because it have ~270k miles on it. Goerend consider stock input shafts a wear part actually. If I remember correctly based on what they told me, stock input shafts should be replaced every ~150k miles.

Although I'm sure the sled pull, firm shifts, and tight converter don't help.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 09, 2014, 12:52:19 AM
I haven't try to slip it in 5th but slipping in 3rd and 4th was enough and don't want to kill the clutch just yet.

I'll try to describe how it slips. I shift it into either 3rd or 4th, lift off the clutch which take the RPM to ~1400, and start to give it throttle at around 1/2 way down, by the time it's at ~1600-1700 RPM where the turbo lights then the RPM abruptly moves to ~2250-2500 RPM but the truck doesn't either accelerate accordingly or smoking tires, back off the throttle, it'll quickly drops to ~1800 RPM. Truck doesn't jerks, bucks or start moving sideway when the the clutch slips, it just felt almost like either I was free revving it or like driving an auto with the torque converter lock-up 'off'.

My truck have the following:
5x12 (90hp?) injectors
#100 fuel plate
16 degree timing
AFC modded for rack travel/tune-ability
4kgsk
Wastegate rusted shut
Mack plug (but it's irrevelant as I'm running a fuel plate)

My truck have 3.55 but Harrison's truck had 4.10 so I kinda think that's what helped the clutch from slipping. Although I wasn't even towing or anything and slip the clutch with no more than 1/2 of throttle.

If I remember correctly Harrison said the clutch only had ~10k miles on it before he part it out. Since it's still fairly new and good so I went with it. Although if it had 100k miles, I will scrap it before I'll even look at it.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on December 09, 2014, 07:49:56 AM
10-15k on that clutch. Flywheel machined when I changed it.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on December 09, 2014, 07:58:25 AM
Clutch and flywheel kept in same alignment on reinstall?


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on December 09, 2014, 08:07:01 AM
that wouldnt matter

everything good with hydralics and parts swap that could be limiting throw of slave?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 09, 2014, 09:07:30 AM
How far off the floor it should start engaging? I think it's more of ~2/3-3/4 way away from the floor.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on December 09, 2014, 09:23:05 AM
sounds late for a newish clutch
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 09, 2014, 09:28:26 AM
That's what concerns me. I'll look at how to correct this.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on December 09, 2014, 09:59:26 AM
sounds late for a newish clutch
completely agreed.

fresh clutch should engage at 1/3-1/2 away from floor
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on December 09, 2014, 10:19:09 AM
silly question

any firewall issues, or parts swap issues?



maybe a set of ears on it to see if throwout is dragging at all with cluch out, possible air in system?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 09, 2014, 10:57:03 AM
How about I come by at your shop, Smike, sometime soon for your good ears? I'll appreciate it. Preferably today/tonight before we get snow!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on December 10, 2014, 10:09:26 AM
i should be in the shop just about every night by 7 for the rest of the year
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: matt on December 10, 2014, 12:23:41 PM
I have the same problem with mine.  Only happens when f'ing around with no load or no trailer.  Towed all this summer on it and never a problem with it slipping when towing.  It didn't like the abrupt power when the boast hits.

Only happened in 3rd or 4th when I rolled on it hard.  Same rpm and so on.

I do have a 13.25" southbend clutch sitting in the garage ready to install if it gets bad though.   ;)

$800 bucks worth of clutch.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 10, 2014, 12:31:44 PM
Alright although I'd image when towing it'll just get worse if I still don't turn down the power. And I want to make sure everything else are right as just in case something prevent the clutch from fully engage such as it seem like my clutch pedal's engaging height is abnormal high.

I just bought 8" of 5/16" bolts to make my own shorter-than-stock slave cylinder push rod hopefully to bring the pedal height down.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 10, 2014, 03:11:56 PM
I just made one almost 1" shorter. I still don't have problem shifting as if it's not disengaging.

Pedal height didn't change much.

Clutch still slips. I'll put stock fuel plate back in slid all the way forward for now.

Is it normal that I need to force the slave cylinder in to start the nuts on the studs? With the shorter push rod I don't need to push in as hard though. I think I'll make one more push rod that'll be 1.5" shorter than stock just to see what happen.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on December 10, 2014, 05:16:46 PM
That seems like a huge amount of change for no effect.

Are you certain the clutch fork and ball are in their happy place on the other side of the bell housing?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 10, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
As far as I can see, it all looks good. Moves freely. Although it's my first time working on a nv4500.

I think I'll try to contact SB or val for opinions and solutions.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: matt on December 11, 2014, 12:10:35 PM
Alright although I'd image when towing it'll just get worse if I still don't turn down the power. And I want to make sure everything else are right as just in case something prevent the clutch from fully engage such as it seem like my clutch pedal's engaging height is abnormal high.

I just bought 8" of 5/16" bolts to make my own shorter-than-stock slave cylinder push rod hopefully to bring the pedal height down.

You would think that , but total opposite.  More load bogs truck down and power is more gradual.  Rpm's climb slower.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: matt on December 11, 2014, 12:13:04 PM
I went through www.mumaudiesel.com to get my stuff.  They are in Pa.  Bought all the rebuild stuff through them too.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on December 11, 2014, 12:25:22 PM
i dont know.  truck only gets bogged down if the power isnt there

my 24 would only slip loaded hawging on a hill.  could drive it like an ass empty and all you would here is normal tire slip with no pin weight
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 11, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
I just got back in Rochester from FleetPride in Buffalo with a new driveshaft. $540

The other driveshafts are for sale.

I tried again to slip the clutch and to my surprise it don't slip now! I think it just need some "break-in" to burn off the surface rust and contamination?

Although I'll still look into the hydraulic system to ensure it's 100% good.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on December 11, 2014, 01:18:14 PM
Good news on the clutch! Ouch on the driveshaft!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 11, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
Tell me about it.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 12, 2014, 10:23:45 PM
Spencer just confirmed for me that the clutch slips sometime in 4th.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 31, 2014, 02:50:17 PM
This morning I was suppose to leave to my friends place in Michigan but it all got dropped.

My truck sprung a massive oil leak. Upon inspection discovered the godamnit tappet cover got completely dislodged, it basically stay in the place via leaning on the p-pump for the time being. The p-pump will need to be removed for the tappet covers re-seal.

Bad timing cuz my NYE plans got dropped because of this, BUT I'm glad it leaked before I hit the road AND I cannot misdiagnose where the oil leak come from haha. Before this big tappet cover oil leak started, I had no idea where it could be leaking from, but now I do.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on December 31, 2014, 03:09:10 PM
What a pain! Brake clean the holes and bolts, and use red locktite. Gasket tack both sides of the gaskets. Torque evenly, and it should be good forever... tab your KDP while it's open if it hasn't been done yet.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on December 31, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
It's KDP already been tabbed. I'm not sure if it'll worth it to also pull the gear case to basically re-gasket majority of the engine to ensure no more oil leak for a long time. I'll try to look up how intensive it'll be to do that and decide.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 28, 2016, 02:47:55 PM
I'm considering to buy this to improve the ride quality. Thoughts?

http://www.sulastic.com/truck-shackle-suspension-sa-07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSfyyy9cRB4
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on June 28, 2016, 03:28:27 PM
Seems a little clap-trap but I can certainly see the potential for improvement. I question the longevity if used under heavy loads but I see a box truck as one of their demo vehicles...

Might be worth a shot if they’re reasonably priced


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 28, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/812450-sulastic-rubber-shackles-they-worth.html

What I really want to do is to stop my truck's rapid up/down bouncing on highway (especially on the highway between Weedsport and Syracuse on I-90) and the jolting from general driving on smaller bumps when empty. I won't expect it to make my truck to ride like a caddy anyhow.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: luvmyxj on June 28, 2016, 06:17:09 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/812450-sulastic-rubber-shackles-they-worth.html

What I really want to do is to stop my truck's rapid up/down bouncing on highway (especially on the highway between Weedsport and Syracuse on I-90) and the jolting from general driving on smaller bumps when empty. I won't expect it to make my truck to ride like a caddy anyhow.
lol.i know exactly where your talking about,me and mikemike drove a empty moving truck over that and i was actually scared of the bouncing
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on June 28, 2016, 08:26:55 PM
I wonder if that would help it.
my truck empty is tolerable. with a loaded trailer is tolerable. with an empty trailer it's 80% as bad as the empty box truck - which is to say, nearly scary and definitely unpleasant.

490 from victor to bushnell's basin is the same, 90 through buffalo has a stretch around the curve that's similar too.

if it works for that I'd probably buy them L*
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: rejeep on June 28, 2016, 09:56:08 PM
I've noticed those road whoops before....
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on June 28, 2016, 11:23:41 PM
just hold her steady and let it do its thing.  freaking 90 is a joke for a toll rd
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 08, 2016, 05:17:36 PM
SA-07HD Sulastic shackles ordered. I hope my shackle bolts cooperate!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M on August 08, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
SA-07HD Sulastic shackles ordered. I hope my shackle bolts cooperate!

bolts original from '97?  If so, expect to replace them.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 08, 2016, 05:31:19 PM
SA-07HD Sulastic shackles ordered. I hope my shackle bolts cooperate!

bolts original from '97?  If so, expect to replace them.

I meant that I hope they'll come out quickly.

Chances they are original but my truck came from the south.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: etk300ex on August 09, 2016, 10:43:18 AM
not a chance!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 02, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
Just got the bed pulled for repairs/upgrades.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on September 03, 2016, 09:20:59 PM
looks good!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 04, 2016, 03:58:53 PM
Sulastic shackles in

Working on get new wiring done for tail lights and trailer plug and install new huge muffler.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on September 06, 2016, 01:00:49 AM
brett dropped this guy off for some help.

rear cross member moved back !~4"
driver side rear shock chassis mount rehung
one side of the gooseneck hitch supports and gussets burned in. 

3 exhaust hangers and the other side of the gooseneck tomorrow morning to finish up. 
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2016, 09:17:10 AM
Pictures please? :)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: matt on September 06, 2016, 12:07:01 PM
Who is Chuck though?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2016, 12:21:52 PM
Who is Chuck though?

Tom's friend?
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Post by: matt on September 06, 2016, 01:07:39 PM
According to the cabinet, someone doesn't like him.
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Post by: TrailTamer on September 15, 2016, 12:54:41 PM
It's moving along pretty good.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 15, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
I cut wires under hood that go to rear. Old wires all looks bad.
New wires being ran. Found pinhole in fuel line by the tank. Tank dropped. Found brake line looks rusty.

I'm going to make store runs after work today.
Pile of wires
Diesel hoses
Breather hoses
Brake lines
Line/wires clamps
Bolts & nuts for clamps

I'll run 3 new breather hoses to behind the T-case so engine, trans and T-case don't get coated in oil. Easier to find out of one of them are leaking that way too.
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Post by: mr.mindless on September 15, 2016, 02:30:39 PM
it's good to have time to fix things right!
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Post by: M4wdFab on September 15, 2016, 04:01:23 PM
Fab on the rear chassis looks professional   ;D
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Post by: TrailTamer on September 16, 2016, 08:22:12 AM
I ran all over the place. I gave up

I ordered 40 feet worth of world's best fuel hoses from usplastic.com per Smike's recommendation for less than $50 shipped verses ~$5 per foot if bought locally.

I am still looking for 1/4" and 1/8" wire looms. Why I cannot find them??? all stores I went to only sell 3/8" as the smallest they have.  ::)

I don't know how I'm going to run everything cleanly from front to back because my t-case is large and leave very little room between frame and t-case. I'll figure out.
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Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2016, 09:18:12 AM
summit is best for wire loom.  i got sick of looking around, bought an entire case of all sizes.  dont think i have down to 1/8" though
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Post by: Wingman on September 16, 2016, 09:57:00 AM
HF has 1/4" split loom
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Post by: TrailTamer on September 16, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
What about brake line clamp/mount? I'll need something to secure the new brake line I'll put on since I won't reuse original plastic snap on mounts
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Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2016, 10:35:09 AM
i use these

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rus-650970
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 16, 2016, 11:07:19 AM
i have a pack of those if you need them and dont want to wait for shipping
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Post by: TrailTamer on July 13, 2017, 12:56:44 PM
I'm having an odd issue going on with HVAC. Water POURING out of floor vents when I make turns. I saw at least a pint of water flow out one time. No wonder I've been having wet floor.
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 13, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
clean out your cowl under the wipers.
I forget where the HVAC drain is, but that should drain out through the firewall, forward & down.
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Post by: TrailTamer on July 13, 2017, 03:40:29 PM
I plan to check the drain. I already added hose to it for better draining. Maybe it's plugged with mud.

Doubt it's the cowl. It wasn't raining when I saw clear/clean looking water flowing out of the floor vent.

I hope I won't need to take the dash out to repair. Brittle plastics
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Post by: M4wdFab on July 13, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
about wire loom.

walmart has vendors now, i just ordered 100' rolls in 4 sizes that was super cheap like 12-18$ a roll
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 21, 2017, 08:55:00 AM
about wire loom.

walmart has vendors now, i just ordered 100' rolls in 4 sizes that was super cheap like 12-18$ a roll

let us know how they hold up long term!
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Post by: TrailTamer on July 21, 2017, 08:57:24 AM
clean out your cowl under the wipers.
I forget where the HVAC drain is, but that should drain out through the firewall, forward & down.

I'm starting to think it's rain water. the cowl under wipers are clean. Not sure where to start looking. I have leaky windshield but the amount that get poured out of floor vents seem to be too much for how little get leaked through the windshield seal.
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Post by: TrailTamer on July 21, 2017, 09:02:29 AM
after almost a year later, I finally have a full exhaust! procrastinating at the best. Dynomax 4" tail pipe, Dynomax 5" chrome tip from Rockauto. I relocated hangers to move entire exhaust up to put the exhaust tip high and out of harm way. PITA, but success!

I mounted one new tire, 315/70R17 Hankook Dynapro ATM. Deleted the front mud flaps and look like it'll clear just fine.  8)
Bald tires suck.
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Post by: TrailTamer on July 21, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
Next, is to install the tuner. To detune and tune out the smoke. After that, I think it'll be ready to be dropped off at "The Diesel Shop" in Rush for it's cold start's long cranking and heavy blow-by diagnostics.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on July 21, 2017, 09:18:02 AM
You getting one of those in-cab fuel plate and AFC adjusters?
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Post by: TrailTamer on July 21, 2017, 09:21:28 AM
You getting one of those in-cab fuel plate and AFC adjusters?

Yes. I already have it. Power Driven Diesel's AFC LIVE tuner. I can't wait to find out how much improvement it will make on driveability
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Post by: M4wdFab on July 21, 2017, 09:25:13 AM
neat, i was wondering how the word tuner and 12V worked
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 21, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
I think Nick's silver truck had one of those.

I just set AFC to barely smoke, ground my plate hard, and controlled EGTs and smoke w my foot
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 13, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
I think a better turbo will help a lot on EGT when towing through hills.

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Post by: TrailTamer on August 13, 2017, 10:10:40 PM
And paint the tailgate lol
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Post by: mr.mindless on August 14, 2017, 08:59:48 AM
pretty good distribution.

if you're happy with power but EGTs are high you might want to look to a hybrid to stay away from lag? not something I know a lot about, honestly, but I'd hate to give up quick spool searching for horsepower in mid-high range for my use at least.
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Post by: Wingman on August 14, 2017, 09:11:33 AM
water injection? totally talking out of my a$$...  :-
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Post by: M4wdFab on August 14, 2017, 10:17:02 AM
somethings wrong if you cant out pull me though steam valley at 10-12K lighter :)   

our trucks are pretty close for the two times we were nose to nose, id say i was 2% more truck both times with our loads ignored. but that was hawging at 2800rpm 5th gear at 55mph for me 
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 14, 2017, 10:26:35 AM
somethings wrong if you cant out pull me though steam valley at 10-12K lighter :)   

our trucks are pretty close for the two times we were nose to nose, id say i was 2% more truck both times with our loads ignored. but that was hawging at 2800rpm 5th gear at 55mph for me

I'm thinking possible boost leaks, bad tuning, bad injection pump or something. I will investigate. I'm geared tall though.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on August 14, 2017, 11:07:02 AM
My truck hawgs around the same weight though some gnarly hills on 84 and 81 with max EGT around 1200. There are two hills I grab 5th and run 60mph/2500rpm because they're steep and looooonngg.

Whatever turbo my truck has works really well above 1700-1800rpm. I cruise at 2130rpm at 70mph and it's perfect.

You are running 3.55s and 33s? You grabbing gears on hills?

Mike M has a lot of experience running a p-pump truck at that weight and more...
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 14, 2017, 11:23:59 AM
My truck hawgs around the same weight though some gnarly hills on 84 and 81 with max EGT around 1200. There are two hills I grab 5th and run 60mph/2500rpm because they're steep and looooonngg.

Whatever turbo my truck has works really well above 1700-1800rpm. I cruise at 2130rpm at 70mph and it's perfect.

You are running 3.55s and 33s? You grabbing gears on hills?

Mike M has a lot of experience running a p-pump truck at that weight and more...

3.55 with new 315/70R17 tires. I drop to 4th on bigger hills.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on August 14, 2017, 11:53:21 AM
I was 4.10s on 31" tires, it's a different world. I never hogged an undergeared 12v.

My 6.7 with the VGT and electronics has a ridiculously broad powerband and its severe undergearing doesn't apply. I've forgotten what it is to need to care whether I'm at 1500 or 2500...
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Post by: M4wdFab on August 14, 2017, 02:04:16 PM
my truck doesnt really pull under 2000.  if im hawging up a hill knowing im loosing the battle ill drop a gear when im at 2200.  because of the torque management you loose a lot of your power until 3 seconds after the cluch is dumped to next gear.  2200-2800 are my change points when 100% loaded be most effective. 
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Post by: TrailTamer on August 14, 2017, 02:47:45 PM
What annoys me the most with my truck that the first ~1/3 of throttle travel is all I use, the other 2/3 of throttle travel is useless. talk about a lot of feathering on the throttle! It pulls hard as soon as the turbo spools at ~1,500-1,750rpm (didn't pay attention) and all way to redline but EGT is a big limiting factor.

I've been putting off from getting my truck to run right, fix quirks here and there. meh. There were cobwebs on it from sitting since the picnic lol.
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Post by: TrailTamer on August 24, 2017, 10:09:17 AM
I talked with tech guy at Power Driven Diesel while I was at work yesterday. I decided to give the tow pig some attention last night

He told me to try turn in the pre-boost screw a little. I turned it ~1/2 in and that helped the start a lot, surprisingly but still too much cranking than my liking.

I installed their AFC LIVE and AFC MAX TRAVEL to my truck. Easy install. I went for a drive and look like I need to fiddle with it. I turned the max boost knob all way shut but still see too much boost, ~40-45psi. I turned the pre boost knob all way shut which made my truck a total turd.

Indeed is a 'tuner' for the 12 valve p-pumped Cummins, just that it's all mechanical and controlling max psi and how fast the psi can build to AFC. My AFC LIVE is stage 2 so I have that "KILL MODE" switch on it lol. I haven't try the kill mode as I don't really need it. I was on I-390 and was having trouble to not speed sooo much. It go from 50 mph to over 70 fast enough to hardly give me enough time to fiddling with the tuner before I need to back off and brake.

To sum it up, AFC LIVE is legit. I most likely will have better success if I'm running stock or slightly bigger fuel injectors and DVs. Good buy.
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Post by: TrailTamer on August 24, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
SA-07HD Sulastic shackles ordered.

I'll like to follow this up with a review.

Sulastic shackles do work really well..... only if there's enough weight in the bed. 100% empty bed and no spare tire they do nothing as it's just too light to function. spare tire under the bed and two tubes of sand (~120lbs?) by the tailgate is about perfect. Rear end suspension absorbs bumps nicely and all jarring are gone. Loaded heavy or towing they act just like normal shackles.

Worth the money? Depend on what you're looking for.... They definitely are not worth it for dedicated tow rigs. They're worth a look at for daily driver/multipurpose trucks.
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Post by: TrailTamer on September 25, 2017, 10:21:02 AM
I finally pinpointed my power steering leak. The leak got worse so it became obvious it's coming from hydrobooster. This also kinda confirmed that eithef vacuum pump and/or power steering pump is leaking motor oil. Not sure on what to try next as I tried to fix the oil leak between the two pumps twice so far. Probably installer's error (me) or from running low on PS fluid and messed up the seal on the coupler some how.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on September 25, 2017, 11:06:03 AM
coupler is all engine oil lubricated, so if low PS fluid is to blame the pump bearings have to have failed and the shaft is walking
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 25, 2017, 11:14:42 AM
My 2nd attempt was with NEW vacuum pump and PS pump.  Ugh.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on September 25, 2017, 11:19:39 AM
smike and I both had extremely good luck replacing vacuum pump seals only.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 25, 2017, 12:11:23 PM
smike and I both had extremely good luck replacing vacuum pump seals only.

That's what I did on my first attempt. I'll get another seal repair kit and hit y'all up?
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Post by: M4wdFab on September 25, 2017, 01:05:13 PM
i replaced mine and got it good on the first try in my 24valve.  the eBay kit came with PVC tools and parts to do the job twice.  traded out the OEM single lip seal for a double lip seal that straddles the grove cut by worn oem seal 

i dont remember the specifics but i think the steering pump stayed under the hood then the seal was changed on the bench in the vac pump.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on September 25, 2017, 02:13:13 PM
 That sounds right. I used the second seal from that kit, no issues.

Shitty that new parts == failed fix.


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: rejeep on September 25, 2017, 02:16:51 PM
PS is one thing that hats contamination..
its 90% of what comes  back defective..
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Post by: TrailTamer on September 25, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
Sound like you used this one?

https://m.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-RAM-DIESEL-WABCO-VACUUM-PUMP-SEAL-KIT-/221966009720?hash=item33ae348578%3Am%3Amrge00gS5WN6tpotr-d3cTQ&_trkparms=pageci%253A7c1a2a04-a21d-11e7-8c8c-74dbd1807d7c%257Cparentrq%253Aba401de715e0aa19f5b29891ffd795ba%257Ciid%253A1
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 25, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
PS is one thing that hats contamination..
its 90% of what comes  back defective..

My PS still work just fine, surprisingly. PS fluid leak is at hydrobooster somewhere. The motor oil leak is between vacuum & PS pump.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on September 25, 2017, 03:28:35 PM
yup thats the kit i got. 


i was at about a basket ball size puddle after an idling though a fuel stop.  with a gallon gone in a rausch trip.....
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 30, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
To my surprise it put down 400 hp, almost 1k ft•lbs on the dyno.
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Post by: M4wdFab on September 30, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Nice !
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Post by: etk300ex on September 30, 2017, 09:55:19 PM
 Vroom!


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 30, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
There was a 2015 Charger Hellcat that laid down healthy numbers, over 1000HP/1000ft•lbs torque.  :o
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: dubt on October 01, 2017, 08:25:30 AM
There was a 2015 Charger Hellcat that laid down healthy numbers, over 1000HP/1000ft•lbs torque.  :o
I wouldn't mind a 4dr with 1000hp
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Post by: TrailTamer on October 04, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
I just put a new starter in my dodge. It start perfectly now! It was the problem the entire time last ~2 years....

Crank way faster and start instantly now. Tom said there's basically no grinding sound now, whatever that was.

I'll find out soon on how it start with the coming colder weather.
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Post by: KingtheZJ on October 05, 2017, 07:33:15 AM
Are you still running a Luk clutch?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 05, 2017, 07:55:15 AM
Are you still running a Luk clutch?

Yes

I need to upgrade the clutch tho.
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Post by: TrailTamer on October 27, 2017, 06:34:02 PM
I did my quick pre trip inspection before I hit the road this afternoon.

It look like my rear driveshaft move too much. The slip yoke possibly did bottomed out few times. There's 2" of slip yoke exposed while sitting but it have evidence it slide in out a lot. Bushing in the T-case output seem somewhat loose.

I think I should look into traction bars?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on October 27, 2017, 07:23:43 PM
Towing heavy and putting that kind of power down, I think it would be advisable.
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Post by: mr.mindless on October 28, 2017, 09:10:26 AM
Axle wrap would definitely shorten that shaft pretty quickly when the pinion swings upward.

No bushing on the tailshaft that I know of though. Maybe the diesel stuff is different but all the slip yikes I know of just have the splines and a seal. Nothing centers the shaft from the yoke OD.


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Post by: TrailTamer on November 01, 2017, 01:11:02 PM
I wonder will lead spring rubber bushings work well for traction bar links

I think my turbo is on its way out? There's more radial movement than there should be, I think.

I'm thinking to either rebuild the turbo myself (it's wheels look ok) or swap in HE351ve VGT with microprocessor to control it to have good boost at low end and high end and the exhaust brake. https://mopar1973man.com/cummins/articles.html/general-cummins/84_engine/89_air-exhaust/holset-he351-ve-vgt-standalone-turbo-arduino-controller-tuner-r159/
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on November 01, 2017, 01:20:31 PM
that's a thing? wow. we live in magical times!

How are you thinking of laying out your traction bars? I'd be tempted to just ladder bar off the bottom of the tube to the frame, single link each side, no shackle. sketch it out and figure out the rough proper pivot point and run it. Not like you're long travel...

Otherwise single triangle near the pumpkin to a shackle.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on November 01, 2017, 02:30:54 PM
Making a 12 valve need wires to run is sacrilegious!
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on November 01, 2017, 02:38:23 PM
Making a 12 valve need wires to run is sacrilegious!

That's the thing I'm debating.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on November 06, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
Brand new South Bend dual disk ceramic clutch (650HP/1300FT•LB unit most likely) with all small pieces and hydraulic stuff on way. $500 plus freight. They have one more, Valair dual disk ceramic clutch and assorted small parts & hydraulic stuff (for 2003-2013 dodge Rams with G56) . PM/text me and I'll coordinate you with them for you if you need a better/stronger clutch

I'll need the 1-3/8" input shaft upgrade, correct pilot bearing and 94-97 hydraulics then that's all I'll need to put the clutch in, hopefully.
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Post by: TrailTamer on November 06, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Xxx
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Post by: mr.mindless on November 06, 2017, 05:29:36 PM
hope it's not too hoppy. I like my organic much better when slippage is needed (particularly important with my gears and my trailer and my no transfer case)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on November 06, 2017, 05:34:14 PM
hope it's not too hoppy. I like my organic much better when slippage is needed (particularly important with my gears and my trailer and my no transfer case)

Me too but it'll be nice to be able to lay down 650hp without bat a eye. I use 2low all the time, make maneuvering the trailer super easy.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on February 06, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
I was told my truck’s rear drive shaft (1-piece aluminum with 1480 series u-joints) make howling sound. I’m not sure if that’s normal or not, or rear axle problem?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on February 06, 2018, 05:45:00 PM
It would certainly amplify any resonance. I vote a u-joint or the rear...
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on February 09, 2018, 04:51:37 PM
Yup. Driveshafts make vibes, not noises. Rears and joints make noises (and sometimes vibes)


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on February 09, 2018, 04:53:40 PM
I learned that itve been doing this for +2 years now. I’m probably fine if it lasted that long lol. No metal cake on the dipstick (MagHytec diff cover)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 05, 2018, 06:52:15 PM
I just pinpointed a potentially bad tire. I had it balanced three times with no success. The bad tire visibly out of round while spinning on jack stands. I have a matching fifth/spare tire to swap.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 30, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Debating on two options:

1) put my built 47RE back in it. Most expensive part will be new/different drive shafts and billet output shaft but they can be offset by selling the NV4500 and such.

2) sell my built 47RE to fund the nv4500 input shaft, clutch & hydraulics.

I’m leaning toward option #1. Cheaper in the end and stronger set up. But this will mean running on 35’s on 3.55 gears will be hard on the motor when towing at highway speed.
NV4500 0.75
47RE     0.69

Thought?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 30, 2018, 12:05:56 PM
47RE on left, NV4500 on right.

1,677 RPM @ 70 mph with the 47RE  :o
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on April 30, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
known issues with your nv4500 or just well-founded concerns because it's an nv4500?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 30, 2018, 12:40:50 PM
known issues with your nv4500 or just well-founded concerns because it's an nv4500?

Both. Dropping close to $3k to hold 500 hp within the bellhousing area. None will help in the main case. Gears breakages are almost nonexistent in auto trans, shaft breakage mostly eliminated via billet shafts. Upgrading to larger turbo isn’t as much of a big deal since only need to spool once.

I miss how a beast my truck used to be when I had the 47RE in it. FAR more fun and pleasant to drive.

They weren’t kidding the 3-4 gear split suck lol.
I think I’ll go through my 47RE someday to make sure it look good inside and go from there.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on April 30, 2018, 12:51:11 PM
If you want something to drag race, a built auto is the way to go.
If you want something durable to tow with, a NV5600 or 6sp Eaton is the way to go.

my opinion.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 30, 2018, 02:08:21 PM
If you want something to drag race, a built auto is the way to go.
If you want something durable to tow with, a NV5600 or 6sp Eaton is the way to go.

my opinion.
Drag racing is fun but that’s not the goal haha. Sometime it’s nice to just drop it in drive and just go. I looked into Eaton 6 or 7 speed (synchronized) trans. There’s a ton of unanswered questions. NV5600 is hard to come by including replacement parts and still not bulletproof.

I think I’ll just run the NV4500 until it’s clutch finally give out then I’ll make a decision and go from there.

On the other hand, I’m surprised that the LuK replacement clutch haven’t fail. Slipped it many many times in the last 4 years and it still hold just the same as long as I don’t punch the pedal too far. 

MikeMike, don’t take me wrong, I appreciate your opinion. I just need someone’s perspective from the other end of the spectrum.
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 30, 2018, 02:17:01 PM
The clutch is probably a good fuse keeping the rest of it from giving up! NV4500 make me nervous after blowing 5th twice too many.

More nervous than this G56 that I've been into twice, for some reason. Not sure why that is. I'd usually be up and done with something after 2 failures, and be putting a synchronized 6 or 7 speed in.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 30, 2018, 02:26:08 PM
I probably will or already did the Eaton 6/7 speed swap if my truck is 2wd. Ill want to design & make parts to marry the existing t-case to it. But that’s not going to happen anytime soon as I’ll need the trans and a second t-case to mock up and figure out what I’ll need to do and plan ahead of time to minimize down time. Especially figuring out what to do with starter, bell housing, clutch and clutch linkage/hydraulics. But the end result will be very rewarding, however.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on April 30, 2018, 02:39:53 PM
i have a spare ford divorced 205 :)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Nick on May 01, 2018, 08:21:10 AM
I have been down the nv4500 road also and had no luck with that transmission.  I rebuilt it once and on the second time with stripped teeth I pulled it out and put a 6 speed eaton FSO-6406A is the transmission I put in.  I had 4.10 gears and no luck with 3.55 that is gonna be a gamble. Since the day I did that swap I have never touched that transmission. Peace of mind is worth every bit of money and time that took.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on May 01, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
https://mopar1973man.com/cummins/articles.html/general-cummins/85_transmission-transfer-case_85/eaton_roadranger_10_speed_swap_onto_59_cummins/

Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on May 01, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
This guy isn’t done yet but I like how he’s going with his project. He’s marrying the stock t case to the trans. I’m not a machinist so the divorced t-case probably will be better in my case.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/98-5-02-powertrain/41978-nv5600-fso6406a-6-speed-fuller-153.html
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on May 01, 2018, 12:10:38 PM
divorced case could be done in a day, super simple with a good trans jack - which I have available to use.

reminds me - engine stand is in my Ram's crossbed toolbox, done with it - just keep forgetting to drop it back.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on June 05, 2018, 03:11:48 AM
Shaking/shimmy problems officially put to bed!

The problem was from alignment! It was a little too much toed-in from bent tie rod. Adjusted and all of the shaking nonsense completely gone!!!

Never thought it could’ve been from alignment. Felt nothing through the steering wheel.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 19, 2018, 09:28:49 PM
Here’s a teaser pic. I found a caliper to make this nearly a BOLT-ON big brake upgrade . The only 3 mods I had to do were to 1) grind down the wheel hub flange to slide the rotor on 2) replace to a different wheel studs (I haven’t decide on which lug stud I’m happy with but relatively nonissue) and 3) grind the caliper bracket to clear the rotor. The original caliper bolt worked, even.

****This apply ONLY to 95-97 F350 D60s and likely TTB D50s too as they share same OEM brake set up.

Look like warped rotors won’t be a problem again  8)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on July 19, 2018, 10:06:44 PM
Cool
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2018, 06:26:33 AM
That’s a big boy for sure!


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Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on July 25, 2018, 02:30:38 PM
Tie rod ends shot. Custom built the tie rod end. Drag link and tie rod play together much much better now...

This is more of a temporary solution

Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 10, 2018, 01:34:59 PM
I have a gate lift on the way. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 12, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
Played with the AFC LIVE a bit more. I finally managed to limit its max boost at ~28, which make it so much more pleasant to drive on the highway when towing @ GCWR >20k. Although this caused an issue with the cruise. I kept on find myself going too fast after going up a hill, because the cruise pull the pedal all the way to floor and don’t let-go fast enough at top of the hill.  ::)

I think I’ll put stock deliver valves back in it to be able to tune it more finely.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Nick on April 13, 2019, 01:17:04 PM
How do you like the afc live so far? I was thinking of getting it for my truck
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on April 13, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
I recommend it. It give you the ability to control preboost fueling and max fueling via controlling pressure to AFC. Tuning on the fly as you drive, basically.

I think stock DVs will make it much easier for me to tune it better. Currently running 7mm DVs and 5x14 injectors (650 hp fuel package from power driven diesel)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 03, 2019, 04:47:38 PM
The blowby have gotten so bad and I need to do something about it.

I tried to find 2013+ Ram 3500 4x4 with Aisin. They’re harder to find than 6 speed manual trucks, and cost too much for mile IMHO. $30k even for high miles trucks.

I tried everything i could think of to pin point where the pulsating blow by was coming from, all inconclusive. I pulled the head over the Labor Day weekend and discovered multiple cylinders are in bad shape. Cylinder #5 have cratered wall. Head gasket blown in multiple spots and somehow all are either into oil galleries or between cylinders, probably at least 4 cylinders are compromised. No idea how it still have power and 18-19 mpg on highway.

Picked up a low mileage donor truck yesterday for the transplant...

The Diesel Shop want $2,000 to go through and o-ring the cylinder head, F that. I found a CAD assembly that we may work with to create a CNC program for to mill & cut o-ring grooves the cylinder head at my work.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on September 03, 2019, 05:06:42 PM
Oof
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on September 03, 2019, 08:01:04 PM
Sounds adventurous on the ringing!

That’s worse inside than I expected
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 27, 2019, 07:43:00 AM
I am looking forward to this weekend! My Blazer's long list of repairs completed, for the most part, and a customer Jeep fixed and out of the way.

This weekend's plan may look like this....

remove transmission & T-case from both trucks
remove bad motor from my truck
remove motor from donor, try to see what it'll take to get the engine out/in without dropping the oil pan
remove bed from my truck to replace shackles and investigate why fuel gauge will not work
push my truck outside and powerwash all of grease, grime crap off and out of the engine bay
powerwash transmission, t-case, etc etc
practice groove-o-matic on the bad motor...

I don't expect to finish the swap this weekend as I have some plans to do to the donor engine prior going in my truck...


Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on September 27, 2019, 08:57:27 AM
I’ll try to make an appearance Sunday. Racing rolling w (alone again) Saturday.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 01, 2019, 09:47:55 PM
I really feel HF’s 1 ton rated engine stand is inadequate.

I may need to delay the next phase a little as I either find a better one or cut up this HF stand and make it stronger.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 01, 2019, 09:52:36 PM
Pic
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on October 02, 2019, 07:37:09 AM
i have a name brand big boy stand with gear drive crank..... i wouldnt even think to put a 5.9 stripped on it...... 
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on October 02, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
Set down on wooden cribbing on the floor. Done.

If you need to do a pan gasket do it in the truck? I think I had an oil pan off once for something. I think to put the 24v in with the taller head it was off on the way into the truck and I mated halfway in one past the crossmember or something dumb.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on October 02, 2019, 10:36:47 AM
Brett - talk to Chad. I gave him the stand I made when I swapped motors in my silver truck. HD casters, .120 rect tube, worked well. I had no space for it and did not plan on needing it again so he took it.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 13, 2019, 05:22:38 PM
The home built engine stand took me longer than I’ll liked to admit but I think it’ll do the job.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on October 13, 2019, 05:54:47 PM
I still don’t understand the NEED for a stand
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 13, 2019, 05:58:01 PM
I still don’t understand the NEED for a stand

Mobility.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on November 11, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
Got the 'new' engine torn all way down to block. the crankshaft is heavy bastard!  :o

I faced few set backs. I hope this time will be the last one. Piston cooling nozzles in the gasket kit don't match original. I ordered billet aluminum nozzles Saturday. I hope it will deliver by Friday so i can start put the engine back together this weekend...

Engine build plan so far;

-ARP cylinder head studs
-O-ring the block with Groove-O-Matic and 0.041" SS spring wire
-100% new gasket/seal
-all new expansion plugs
-Billet turbo oil drain fitting on the block
-Rear freeze plug plate (to eliminate the chance of plug blowing out)
-60 lb valve springs
-cylinder head hot tanked, decked 0.007"
-Colt Cams "The Big Stick" (thank MM!)
-Colt Cams tappets
-Timing gear case dowel pin tab (KDP)
-Add an oil drain bung to the oil pan for future compound turbos install
-Mack Plug
-AFC LIVE
-4,000 rpm governor spring kit
-new bolts on exterior of engine where needed, due to rust

Fuel injectors- TBD
Exhaust Manifold - TBD
Turbo - TBD

Truck;
-hydrobooster reseal/rebuild to fix the leak
-Borgeson steering box install
-oil change in NV4500 & NV271D
-trans mount upgrade
-notch or bend the driver side frame rail to keep the NV271D from hitting
-new LuK clutch kit with the big pilot bearing
-new radiator and hoses (cuz they're full of oil!)

master cylinder - TBD
heater core - TBD
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on November 11, 2019, 03:18:11 PM

-notch or bend the driver side frame rail to keep the NV271D from hitting



 :o
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on November 11, 2019, 03:32:26 PM
aluminum case rubbing on steel frame sounds like a recipe for badness.

heater core and radiator can be washed out. Dawn dish soap works well.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 30, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
Did some TLC to the truck over the weekend.

All 4 new ball joints and took out the 2* for 0* caster/camber bushings.

Installed 2005+ Ford Super Duty steering linkages.
The tie rod fit as-is (no shortening needed).
Drag link had to be shortened. Cut down both ends’ threads to about 1.375” long & cut down adjusting sleeve from 5” to about 2.875”.
Reamed passenger side knuckle both ways.
The drag link just barely clear the sway bar/link. I thought I’ll need to either shorten sway bar links or disconnect & tie it up out of the way. Win.

Steering feel great, but the new steering shaft is SHOT. Not even a year old. I’m going to try cut & splice two Jeep steering shafts together to fix this. $50 for the ultra power from Rockauto didn’t hold up and Borgeson shaft is like $300 and I am not paying for that much.

The 2* of caster I took out via ball joint bushings showed me it lost some return to center. I’ll know more later once I get the steering shaft fixed.
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Post by: Wingman on August 30, 2021, 12:15:27 PM
The Ford parts to get the drag link onto the knuckle?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 30, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
The Ford parts to get the drag link onto the knuckle?

The idea is to have drag link & tie rod completely independent from each other. OEM T-inverted have tie rod roll. Y-inverted have poor service life (eating TREs). And having the Ford steering set up means replacement parts are easy to come and for in case heims will not pass state inspection.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on August 30, 2021, 01:03:29 PM
How are the opposing tapered TREs secured?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on August 30, 2021, 02:15:31 PM
yeah how in the world is that madness secured?
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M on August 30, 2021, 02:28:27 PM
Steering shaft isnt something I'd try to cobble something together...
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on August 30, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
yeah how in the world is that madness secured?

Knuckle’s steering arm reamed both ways. Drag link end have a long stud. Tie rod end is tapered too, but with hole for drag link’s stud to go through. Their taper get seated before they both bottoms out.

Steering shaft isnt something I'd try to cobble something together...

2x u-joints, slip shafts. Not much to go wrong as long as the weld is good. Can’t be any worse than what I have now (dangerous)
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Harrison on August 30, 2021, 04:11:11 PM
That is one of the most Ford things I've ever seen
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on August 30, 2021, 04:25:41 PM
On the contrary, that's positively German. I love it.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: M4wdFab on August 30, 2021, 07:48:32 PM
On the contrary, that's positively German. I love it.
That is one of the most Ford things I've ever seen

best comments for the week on the forum back to back
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: Wingman on August 30, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on September 20, 2021, 08:22:12 AM
Over 2,500 miles on this steering set up. Best thing I’ve ever done. Crisp responsive steering.

Next to do; modify & install aftermarket track bar to eliminate bump steer. I also have bilstein 5100 & variable coil springs on way for front. Rear bilstein 5100 shocks seem to be backordered everywhere. Hoping it’ll become available soon.
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 13, 2021, 11:01:54 AM
So.

the NV4500 decided to delete it's overdrive gear, a 4 speed trans now. Spinning 2,500 rpm at 70 mph in 4th gear.

5th gear went out..... eventfully. Towing my XJ up a grade in Dansville NY I-390 southbound area. CRUNCH as engine revs into red. Downshift into 4th and keep on trucking until the next rest area and carefully coasted just enough to confirm I still have 3rd gear for in case the input shaft's gear broke (I will only have 4th gear and all other gears in-op if I understand correctly). Finished my trip to AOAA over the Columbus Day weekend and back home without the overdrive gear.



Now what....?




I am going to order 5th gear, 5th gear nut and the dumb $$$ tools to do the new 5th gear install in-vehicle.

worst case scenario I find 5th gear teeth all stripped clean off, the trans will be coming out to be gone through. At that point its a possibility a built 47re will find its way in instead (with billet input shaft this time). Lets see what I find once I have the t-case & adapter off..... humbug
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: mr.mindless on October 13, 2021, 11:51:37 AM
I think you'd feel the awfulness if it stripped teeth. I lost a tooth on mine and it was a terrible racket that I'm pretty sure I felt in the shifter.

the big question mark is did it fuck up the shaft with however it failed.
quad4x4 I think is who had all sorts of good info and what at the time I thought was the best fix, but it was on a new style shaft with better support f or the gear I think
Title: Re: 97 Dodge Ram 2500, AKA Shitty Dodge
Post by: TrailTamer on October 13, 2021, 12:19:58 PM
I think you'd feel the awfulness if it stripped teeth. I lost a tooth on mine and it was a terrible racket that I'm pretty sure I felt in the shifter.
I think it did stripped ALL teeth off. I lost 5th gear under boost towing my xj uphill with cruise control on. The awfulness, terrible racket was loud and shook my truck.... no way I could've reacted fast enough to 'save' whatever left on 5th gear as the cruise control fully send it to try hold 70mph.

I read that 5th gear nut usually backs off and lose 5th gear quietly after either shifting or coasting, never while under load....

the big question mark is did it fuck up the shaft with however it failed.
quad4x4 I think is who had all sorts of good info and what at the time I thought was the best fix, but it was on a new style shaft with better support f or the gear I think

the 'permanent' fix by torque king is discontinued  :'(
I believe there are only 2 imported full spline main shafts to choose from. I read that the one with 3-piece thrust washer is the best option on the market. The 5th gear nut will not come off, BUT the mainshaft and the 5th gear are 'wear item'. Their spline will eventually wear out and strips as the 5th gear is not press-fit whatsoever and get side loaded by the gear below and changing in power flow via accelerating and coasting. New-Venture fucked up the design on nv4500.

https://torqueking.com/product/721/qk1001-dodge-nv4500hd-4x4-mainshaft-5th-gear-and-nut-kit/

I will reuse the existing mainshaft if the 5th gear nut held on for it's dearest life and the gear teeth lost.
No way I will toss it if the 5th gear nut stayed on lol