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Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 14, 2013, 08:05:29 AM
well its now official since its in Mikes Trailer....
I hate putting the evil eye on these things.. tends to make deals fall apart...

In light of the accident at SVE and setbacks with my 5, I need something new to focus my attention and neurosis on..

1973 Cj6, 304 V8 factory mounted hardtop..

Bill (@ SVE) and I were questioning the history of this jeep.. seems there are some unanswered questions from the original CL pictures. (shown) Although not according to the VIN, this jeep might have been overseas or intended for a foreign market.. once I physically get it Sunday/Monday I should have a better idea what I got my hands on..
Either way.. a sweet 6 with an 8…

Plan is... well there is no plan..
get it running, stopping, steering and enjoy for now..
But it would be cool to build a new wheeler... ::)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ66_zps43b79c1c.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ61_zpse032fce2.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/cj68_zpsa927309a.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ62_zpsc4d6ed43.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ65_zps2fd621c4.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ63_zpsbebe231f.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ64_zpsf4e436b4.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Craigslist%20Pics/CJ67_zps06a4c527.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on February 14, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
Even has an awesome map light!  Sweet find!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on February 14, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
oh wow. I just posted a CJ6 in the daily chat area and just noticed this now. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: FallibleXJ on February 14, 2013, 11:02:37 AM
I want that... so hard.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 14, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
i like the AC!
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 14, 2013, 12:37:03 PM
It's a neat jeep. And doesn't make my enclosed look small. I bet two fives on 33s would fit...

bill said he got it running off gas in the carb bowl. Rotten fuel lines tho. It got winched in.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 18, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
Funny...

I've been making plans for the truck all weekend and I haven’t even physically seen it yet...
I know I still have the 5 to finish up, but hopefully by the time I get it back there won’t be much hard labor left..
just bolting the body together and some interior work..  Perfect for my current 45 min at a time life style..

I think the 6 has the potential to be the new wheeler.. haven’t built one in a while and I think I might take the years worth of trial and error and put an awesome package together..

that’s why I asked about the CJ frame strength..  I’m not looking to spend $2,500 just to have some steel rails hanging around..  don’t know how long of a build, how long to source parts etc..

I’m already starting with a 101 wheelbase and a V8 motor…   how wrong can I go?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 18, 2013, 12:03:51 PM
level of wrong goes with budget  haha




with 1500$ i could make that thing aweseome and out wheel most machines!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 18, 2013, 12:16:52 PM
do tell ...

budget is only an issue if I make it one...

not just looking to slap tons and tires..  I do want to restore it as well..

*It also needs to do 65-70 on the hwy..*
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 18, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
spring over tons tires, fluids and floors, ratel can, and a sticker!


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 18, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
have been thinking spring over... YJ leaves
deff doing axles.. but not full width..

already sourced a NOS CJ6 Frame... coming in from OH
this will litterally be a frame up build.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 18, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
bam.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 19, 2013, 07:43:48 AM
M4 needs more sq footage
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 08:01:55 AM
I have a 4 car garage and shop space at my new house...

more than enough room to keep the shit M4 isnt working on ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
Smike.. just for shits...

whast the WMS-WMS on Dana 60's?

did you happen to see any in the yards last time you were there?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 19, 2013, 11:00:13 AM
ballpark 67"
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 11:12:18 AM
yeah thats what I thought....

not for this guy... 60" would be MAX  stock is something like 50"
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: KingtheZJ on February 19, 2013, 11:32:45 AM
front d60 (chevy and ford) - 69.25
rear d60 - 66"
srw 14b  - 67"
c&c 14b - 63"


chopped d60 front and c&c 14b would be sweet at 63 wms. narrowing the front is way easy. $200 custom shaft and done
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 19, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
or H1's or h2's help alot also
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
I’m putting a lot of thought into my axles.. don’t want to have any shoula, woulda, coulda with this truck...

waiting for matt to get back to me on what D44's he has.. doing something custom isn’t out of the question...
outboard springs will be required either way I feel...

trigger pulled on Transmission and Tcase 5 min ago  ;D



Did I mention I havent even seen the jeep yet in person ....  I just love collecting parts!!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 19, 2013, 12:40:48 PM
i have a free set of 44's  i need to pick up, think they are driver drop though


i outboarded the springs on my CJ8, not a big deal with a solid frame. 


i think a 1 ton 6 on 40's would be a cool street rig   haha
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
Mentally challenging day at the office.. so I’ve taken the last 45 min to do some interwebing on the CJ…

spring over  tons tires

spring over
ok.. assuming this is done.. how do you address axle wrap?  kind of a noob question.. but everything, including my MJ, is SUA..  I haven’t dealt with this before..
tons
doing some axle research..  not a fan of FS width on a NT body
tires
driving me crazy... stay in my comfort zone 35" and under or bump it up a notch...  seems to impact choice of axles
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 19, 2013, 04:49:25 PM
axle wrap :  myth people whole build shitty lifted jeeps made up


Tons go chevy 60/14

Tires:  H1 wheels have 7.25" back space and the military 37"s are quite attainable for cheep.  wear like steel, look awesome- seem to have good reviews off road for the buck



your NT jeep NEEDS at least 2" on each side to be "normal"  with 37" and h1's it look awesome.  i have seen tons under TJs you cant even tell they are 37's because they look great. 


could do a custom long side on the chevy front, and then run two short sides in the rear 14.  this would eliminate your outboard spring issues also on the cheep.....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on February 19, 2013, 05:43:28 PM
I'm hardly one to talk but step it up.  Resto-mod is magazine material.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
how much a pair of these bad boys cost?
available gear ratios?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 19, 2013, 06:13:29 PM
i dont pay more than 600$ for a pair of 4.10's    master kit for anything gears 600$ also
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 06:22:22 PM
and the yutz's selling pairs of military 4:56 ones on eBay for $2K?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 19, 2013, 06:24:12 PM
that's almost a built set of axles - mild geared, locked rear, limited front.... those were going for nigh on three grand when it was still a grand for a set of stock tons. Matt stole the set of those he found.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 06:32:11 PM
hmm...

keep talking to me.. I'm getting anxious...

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 19, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Finding a set for under $800 is getting harder and harder.

I just paid $450 for the set of 60s I just got, I had to drive 2 hours to get them. And that was the best deal I have got on a set. Paid $500 for the ones in the Profender buggy.

If your time is more valuable than mine finding a good set local for $800-$1000 would not be a bad thing, shipping would be what $500? I had a good day with the kids in the truck, so it was a good road trip.

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 19, 2013, 07:11:44 PM
time for me is always worth more than money unfortunately....

the search has begun... either way I can always flip them.. 
seem to have damn good luck selling parts I buy and dont use..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 20, 2013, 08:03:37 AM
ya you have to be patient.  i need a front 60 for parts still.

matt stole his. 


i pay 600 for the lest 3 sets in field condition

sold a set for 600 i should have kept i guess.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 08:18:10 AM
when it comes to parts sourcing patience is not one of my stong points....

dont even know what way im going... but found a set of CUCV for 1K...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: KingtheZJ on February 20, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
axle wrap :  myth people whole build shitty lifted jeeps made up


Tons go chevy 60/14

Tires:  H1 wheels have 7.25" back space and the military 37"s are quite attainable for cheep.  wear like steel, look awesome- seem to have good reviews off road for the buck



your NT jeep NEEDS at least 2" on each side to be "normal"  with 37" and h1's it look awesome.  i have seen tons under TJs you cant even tell they are 37's because they look great. 


could do a custom long side on the chevy front, and then run two short sides in the rear 14.  this would eliminate your outboard spring issues also on the cheep.....

my unorganized thought dump on this....


H1s need wheel spacers to be run with stock knuckles. if you chop off the stock tie rod mount and run high steer (have to be special for h1 wheels) you can get away with no spacers. hubs stick out like woah

h1s are 9" wide and 16.5"
h2s are 8.5" wide  and 17s and 5" bs

military Goodyears are 125 each + shipping off pirate. is best ive found really. i may have a set for sale if i hear back from shit-for-brains on CL

custom long side on the front is way easy. harry did it in a night. $200 for custom chromo shaft

srw 14 bolt housing with drw hubs = a c&c at 63" WMS. see 14b bible on pirate.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 08:43:52 AM
Tranny officially acquired..
Being picked up this weekend by a buddy in NH and brought down to SVE for low gears and a quick go over..

1979 CJ7 T-18a with IH Scout Dana 300, Twin stick & AMC BH

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/sjsst41/2012-12-14_23-22-10_392.jpg)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/sjsst41/2012-12-14_23-22-21_720.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 20, 2013, 09:12:51 AM
I'm hardly one to talk but step it up.  Resto-mod is magazine material.
 

Das right!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 20, 2013, 09:17:14 AM
i wheeled the Wee out of my scrambler with stock locking hubs and h1's  they stick out, but won tons take it just fine.


this thing will be 99.9 street / wharehouse wheeling anyway




bolting up eriks axle would be the easest too though!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 09:29:21 AM
this thing will be 99.9 street / wharehouse wheeling anyway

bolting up eriks axle would be the easest too though!

thats kinda what im trying to avoid or decide....

I actually thought last night while walkign the dog, I should throw the axles under the YJ and make that the didicated trail truck...  Make the 6 the RestoMod mall crawler...

Eriks axles are too damn deep...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 20, 2013, 09:32:20 AM
spring perch dims are probably not correct on eriks axles if they were set up for a 7   - not an issue, but additional labor

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
but a 9" has a 3rd member... easy to buy a cirrect ratio prof. set up........
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 10:39:40 AM
NOS 72-75 CJ6 Frame..

Picked up by a broken back employee out in OH on its way to ROC....

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/CJ6Frame_zpsd3fe624e.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 20, 2013, 10:55:16 AM
why does the front cross member look like it was smashed with a fork lift haha


looks POR ready too
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 11:03:37 AM
I thought that too until I got a better picture...
light and stock indentation vs. color variance = bad picture
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 20, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
Just to do something different..... what about J20 axles? 44HD/D60
I dont need Tons and I think it would kinda cool to do something different..

found this while doing some interwebbing..

I used J20 axles in my Jeep, same setup you're talking about. I was able to have the driver side of the rear shortened to center the pumpkin. Both sides of the 44 had to be shortenened in order for the forged housing spring perch to line up properly.  I got a 61" WMS - WMS with 3 axle cuts, 2 front, 1 rear. I did not have to outboard the springs. That's one reason I did it this way.

they are 8 lug axles.. so I could still use H1/2 wheels and be just a bit wider than stock....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 20, 2013, 11:49:19 AM
Finding a set for under $800 is getting harder and harder.

I just paid $450 for the set of 60s I just got, I had to drive 2 hours to get them. And that was the best deal I have got on a set. Paid $500 for the ones in the Profender buggy.

If your time is more valuable than mine finding a good set local for $800-$1000 would not be a bad thing, shipping would be what $500? I had a good day with the kids in the truck, so it was a good road trip.


I'd agree.

the sub-$700 sets take some shopping and waiting.
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Harrison on February 21, 2013, 02:42:52 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1149473

Came across this... Idk if that's a ridiculous price or if you were even shooting to go that built.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 21, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
Perfect, except the too low gearing...

I'm shooting for 410, maybe 456....


I think I'm going to work on some cut down j20 axles
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 21, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Toyota axles and Rcv shafts?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 21, 2013, 07:59:34 PM
Six shooter knuckles also and you have a pretty indestructible set up.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 21, 2013, 10:38:49 PM
What axles u peddling?..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 21, 2013, 10:46:02 PM
I have a set of mini truck Toyota axles. 4.10 gears open diffs. 3 third members. They are complete minus shafts.

Trade for parts. :))
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 22, 2013, 09:16:30 AM
You need to break a stock knuckle before you need 6 shooters.  Seriously rywan you are spending to much time on pirate :D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
made it to Carter street... finally... being towed by a squatting SRT8 :o
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 26, 2013, 04:11:40 PM
Thanks/ sorry again!



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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2013, 04:28:56 PM
the jeep was squatting like crazy.... but towed nice @ 70MPH.... ::)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
sweet pic, thats awesome.


almost makes me sad seeing the bleeding dump bus
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 26, 2013, 04:39:13 PM
With a little weight distribution I wouldn't feel too bad about it. That's no doubt a lot of trailer for a WK2 though.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 27, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
got this guy fired today...
little fresh gas and a new gas line.. the motor roared to life...

swapped a new set of 31's on original slotted mags and took her out for a spin with no brakes...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG-20130227-00186_zpsf4b220a0.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG-20130227-00185_zpsc92ebfb9.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG-20130227-00189_zps32bb8f91.jpg)

its amazing.. the jeep hauls major ass... I was actually surprised how much bottom end torque the little 304 has...
the Tcase is still stuck in 4WD so sliding around the parking lot today was fun in the slush..

Jeep might be a little worse than first expected... the mint condition of the top gives the eye a false sense of cleanliness.
Frame is tweeked in the back and has some major rust scale all over..
calling the wires a rats nest would be kind..
the body is questionable... might be able to work with it.. i have a line on NOS CJ6 sheet metal.
top is mint with the exception of the back door... but im still researching that.. seems it was a rare option to have a "vertical rear door"

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/348Win/meyer_zpse2d36a31.jpg)

want to get the jeep at least able to start, stop and at best a new Y pipe and muffler.. (starter is sticking)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on February 27, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
Wait.  What's the seam between the door and the rear wheel?  Is that suppose to be there?  I thought they were made solid firewall-to-tailgate...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 27, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Factory tub splice?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 27, 2013, 10:00:44 PM
The body has been hacked into before..
Notice one side had the early jeep logo while the other has the intermediate and the V8 badge...

But yes and no.. I have seen them either way, but never without a seam unless filled in.  The driver side is the same, just not as pronounced due to the angle of the picture...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 28, 2013, 09:11:34 AM
The body has been hacked into before..
Notice one side had the early jeep logo while the other has the intermediate and the V8 badge...

didn't notice that till you pointed it out.  it's got some rot but a LOT of potential
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 28, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
going to fill the MC today and play with the brakes a bit....
might just need some love...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 01, 2013, 02:40:14 PM
got the rear to lock up... giving me enough brake to drive around a bit...

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 05, 2013, 10:16:54 AM
Frame arrived in Rochester last night...

is in better condition than expected to be honest...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130305-00224_zps9694bc43.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130305-00225_zps7e3d6002.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130305-00226_zps24a78957.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130305-00228_zps9c9f8163.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on March 05, 2013, 10:59:23 AM
Blast and powdercoat?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 05, 2013, 11:30:33 AM
depending on what gets screwed, glued, or welded I am thinking Hot Dip Galvy after its all mocked up...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 07, 2013, 08:35:25 PM
spent a little time looking the frame over...
Smike I might be making a punch out list for things I need welded...

this is the passenger side shackle hanger..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130307-00233_zpsef550b33.jpg)

the sleeve is all rotted out..
the passenger rear is close to the same while the drivers side is "ok" but would rather be safe than sorry...

will these work?

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BUSHDOM

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 08, 2013, 07:41:49 AM
If thats the case. Cut them off and buy new 1/4" thick hangers too.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on March 08, 2013, 08:04:35 AM
Coil buckets?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 08, 2013, 08:07:25 AM
leaves are found naturally in the woods... coils on the other hand


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2013, 08:11:13 AM
is that bracket the inside leave mounts?  i dont under stand the picture, or is that the outside mounts?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 08, 2013, 08:24:23 AM
that’s the front shackle hanger.. there is suppose to be a metal sleeve there that rotted out where the bushings go into for the top shackle bolt...
I am debating between replacing the whole mount with a Ruff Stuff piece or leaving the factory riveted hanger and just doing the sleeve…

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2013, 08:32:46 AM
being a 73, i bet the sleeve wasnt installed, those things are beefy- no way it rotted. 

i guess it would depend on what springs your putting under it which way to go with the mounts-
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on March 08, 2013, 08:38:47 AM
Aren't YJ leaves wider anyway?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2013, 08:41:11 AM
ya, my thoughts
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 08, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
Think I might be sticking with 1.75 leaves...

the mounts are Beefy... rivited to the frame and im sure a bead of weld from the hanger to the frame wouldnt hurt..
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2013, 08:57:03 AM
V8 is schrong, deserves newer yj leaves IMO. It'll be better for the weight up front and the torque out back. 1.75" leaves are good for 4 bangers weight- and torque-wise.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 08, 2013, 09:34:25 AM
AMC V8 < AMC I6
New BDS springs will be fine...

I’ve actually thought long and hard about this truck...

Several factors went into play... but I’m aiming to have it on 33's with built stock axles.
It will be bullet proof and a hwy driver for certain..
More of an overland truck that I can drive for hours on the road and enjoy a weekend off-road as well...  More family style...

I am convinced that a link, SOA, tons, etc would be better suited for a truck that has an inherently stronger frame...
and to be honest a nicely well built 6 is worth more $$$.. I do actually factor that into my truck since I count them as assets.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 09, 2013, 09:51:04 AM
got the "replacement" part from OMIX...
its solid.. but im not thrilled with the lack of weld on the sleeve... I can see that over time this part would fail if given the chance...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130309-00237_zpsa8a9bff9.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130309-00236_zpsbe33a6ea.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG-20130309-00235_zps1f7014d5.jpg)

going to take some measurements and I think the easier thing to do will be to re sleeve the hangers already riveted to the frame..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 09, 2013, 10:27:43 AM
Why re sleeve or even try and use the original hangers?nows the opportunity.
Upgrade the springs to YJ and install new heavy duty spring hangers by welding them to the frame.
Those rivets are the first spot that corrosion starts inside the frame.
And besides they bend like tin on the rocks.

You will get more flex and more onroad ride comfort with a wider YJ pack.

Just my opinions. Ive bandaided my fair share of CJ frames and spring hangers.


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 09, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ruffstuff&Product_Code=SDSHK&Category_Code=HANGERS (http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ruffstuff&Product_Code=SDSHK&Category_Code=HANGERS)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 09, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
open C frame....
sleeves are gone since they were the only place that held water..

NO YJ springs...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 18, 2013, 10:59:41 AM
Spoke to the galvanizing guy this morning in buffalo…
I think this is the way to go…
Once I get all the spring eyes rebuilt and other odds and ends its going for a zinc bath…
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 19, 2013, 09:05:29 AM
smike.. look like something you can do??????

Not looking to Box the entire CJ6 frame.. but from what I have read this is the way to do it...

(http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sludge%20Pile/Section_R_Frame/sm_D-plate-1.jpg)

(http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sludge%20Pile/Section_R_Frame/sm_D-plate-2.jpg)

this is the stock reinforcement from the bump stop area...

(http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sludge%20Pile/Section_R_Frame/sm_d-plate-3.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 19, 2013, 09:26:36 AM
can do anything-

its only metal     8)
 

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 19, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 19, 2013, 09:37:46 AM
looks like reinforcements over inner spring mounts and bump stop locations, but allow for water draining
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 19, 2013, 09:39:37 AM
you know this thing wants some dodge60 / GM14  under the front of it with 37h1's!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 19, 2013, 09:52:20 AM
no, but the YJ might... just not in the time frame you want to sell dem fuggers
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
as is said around here....

More shrong parts for the enviable build.....

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/CJ6streer_zpsd00fa43b.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
been toying around with some frame reinforcement ideas...
in talking with Bill@SVE and a few measurements at lunch came up with this......

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/fishplate_zpsf3b59781.jpg)


just to box right above the spring hanger and extend a little bit outwards..
kind of a tweak on the original HD renegade frame design.. the squared off box created stress points that would cause cracks..
the fish plate design of the above plate should disperse the load over a broader area..

Still need to work on something possibly for the front and rear shackle hangers, but those traditionally aren’t a problem area.

(http://www.mninter.net/~molsen/jeep/Hanger.jpg)


Smike.. if I can draw it you can make it out of metal right?  were only talking 1/8" plate
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
already revised....
radius cut would be better....
no issue for Hole Saw and band Saw tag team!!!

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/revised_zps2be5ce08.jpg)

set it into the C a bit for good penetration with the weld....

I think we have a winner...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2013, 04:48:32 PM
i have a plasma cutter
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
id go 7gage or 3/16" to match the frame thickness. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 24, 2013, 09:49:08 AM
I think the frame is 1/8"
I might be wrong...  can measure
I want to keep around the same thickness for the Galv process..

as long as I can get all my ducks in a row is this something you can start on possibly next week...


Mike... can I use your enclosed to move it and store it @ M4...
Ill bring it back to Carter for perm storage when smike is done...

Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on March 24, 2013, 12:14:49 PM
Sure.

Good timing, I was thinking of grabbing it today to throw an Eagle in.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 24, 2013, 12:44:49 PM
any time table on your end?

i was thinking this week.. just unsure exactly when
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 24, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Let me get the mj done, and I can drop it and grab the frame in my trailer.   I'm pushing my outside storage with 9 trucks and 2 trailers.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 24, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
got it... I'm in no rush....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2013, 12:41:40 AM
Mj done.  Can drop and grab frame any day this week except wed.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 25, 2013, 07:31:20 AM
hmm.... ok let see how this week turns out
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on March 25, 2013, 03:06:23 PM
so my trailer isn't needed?

it's probably on moving duty soon, my old boss is headed to Cleveland at the end of next week.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2013, 03:07:57 PM
i think we have a plan and in the works.  should be good with out trailer
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 25, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
life is easier when you dont have to tow....

i have the hitch lock key...
i have to be up there tomorrow around 2 i can prob swap it out for a padlock so you can grab when you need it..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on March 25, 2013, 04:15:14 PM
I don't remember if I left one of my paddelocks on the safety chain or not.

that reminds me  Ineed to get on the drawbar thing too. looks like hitch heights are pushing 4" different. Need to put a tape to it.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 25, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
LMK asap... if its in stock in buffalo no prob.. if I need to order it it might be a bit..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
TSC has them also.  Can try mine if you want.  its not ever used nor should it be with condition of my hitch
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 29, 2013, 08:28:07 AM
Ill be trucking this sucker down to M4 today
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 31, 2013, 10:10:09 AM
Nothing M4 cant do with steel.....

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/100MEDIA95IMAG0011_zpsce5700de.jpg)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/100MEDIA95IMAG0012_zpsa001e65e.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 31, 2013, 06:33:27 PM
took an inch or so of weld to figure out the old steel on the first one ??? but the old ones welds were cut than the rest chisled out to leave a nice factory hole the new steel pressed in and welded.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2013, 07:03:11 PM
fish plate welded in above the rear hangers...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/100MEDIA95IMAG0018_zpsdfdffd6c.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
picking up soon or can a deliver somewhere?  like to get out of shop if i can
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2013, 02:29:45 PM
thought it was in trailer storage?
yeah.. let me figure out when and where and Ill grab it this week..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2013, 03:06:00 PM
didnt fit, with buggy, and buggy is comming out one of these nights.  ill throw it across the street


<no problem whenever>

<i can deliver also, even going to buffalo wednesday>
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
wait.. your going to buffalo tomorrow?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2013, 03:26:54 PM
have a family thing tomorrow after work


where does it need to go, and when are they open till?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
yeah.. wont work.. but thank you very much.. thats an aweseom offer...

they close early.. 230 ish and its right by one of my stores..

ill prob grab it this week, throw it on the trailer and bring it out next week...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2013, 03:40:22 PM
whats the address and do they know its comming?




Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2013, 08:26:50 PM
spoke with them today.. but its the first time i'm going there...

its near Kenmore
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2013, 11:51:59 PM
frame moved to old shop storage at my apartment- ok to stay there any amount of time till i need any of the 8 sets of 40's its in front of. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 10, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
I have a feeling ill come grab it maybe tomorrow?

last nights rain really cleaned the roads off... not worried much about moisture since it will take an acid bath..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 10, 2013, 09:53:10 AM
tomorrow after 5 is fine.  or little later we should have some help. was a struggle for two guys.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 10, 2013, 02:29:49 PM
I might be able to do that...
let you know tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 22, 2013, 11:45:33 AM
Picked up today...
gained quite a bit of weight from the dip...
came out better than expected.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG_00000060_zps4e2868a8.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG_00000060_zps4e2868a8.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG_00000059_zps506fddb7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG_00000059_zps506fddb7.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG_00000058_zps2730370a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20NOS%20Frame/IMG_00000058_zps2730370a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2013, 12:18:37 PM
Wow, that looks even more different than I was imagining.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on April 22, 2013, 12:21:01 PM
are you going to leave it silver or paint it?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 22, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
its staying raw...
galv dulls over time and gets a nice patina IMO..
I have seen how Rover frames looks after a few months/years and I like the color...
it will also make touchups easy and blind...

cross member was also done.. it was just in the trunk..

They did a nice job, filed off the slag and took down some of the high spots from the dip..

I don’t know what I’m thinking in terms of color for this Jeep… but I have a feeling this won’t be the last thing to be dipped
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2013, 02:44:21 PM
Could get addictive or hidden or trim pieces. I love to see the results of a real world corrosive test of dipping the frame of a daily driver being rebuilt.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2013, 04:39:52 PM
i have 3 corrosion tests running right now, 15yr, 200k mile equiv  :)
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
I swear that would equate to three NY winters.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 28, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
Axles have been dropped off at the dry stripper (fancy term for blaster)

all parts ordered for rebuild.. should have them completed by end of next month...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 29, 2013, 02:07:00 PM
Just picked up a spare Tcase for this guy CHEAP!!!
figured they arent getting any easier to find..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 17, 2013, 03:37:58 PM
Smike..

can you make a U-bolt skid out of these?

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/EARLY-UPLT.html


aftermarket support for the pre 76 Jeeps is dwindling.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 17, 2013, 04:52:49 PM
ubolt skid?  like use that as a second plate that is lower and protects the nuts?    i think i understand, but you have a pic of one?


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 17, 2013, 08:01:09 PM
yeah.. instead of a U Bolt flip....

JKS use to make these things..  but they aren't made anymore and I don't know if this guy has old stock or just hasn't updated his web page..

http://www.4x4rockshop.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=10901

and

http://www.4x4rockshop.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=10899

they are some nice ones by Currie

http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/categories.aspx?id=1244

but none for 1.75 springs... ill call tomorrow and see either way.. just interested..
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Harrison on June 17, 2013, 08:47:54 PM
Could you make some u-bolt elminators?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 07, 2013, 01:08:23 PM
JKS ones are NLA....

Up Warrior makes a simple one.. but I like the design on the Currie..

(http://www.discountjeepparts.com/images/products/currie/CE-9031A.jpg)

is this something you could build for 1.75" springs..

they only make a 2 or 2.5" spring unit..

Ruff Stuff makes these:

(http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/graphics/00000001/IMG_0512.jpg)

would these be a decent platform to start or easier to make from scratch?
maybe even take 2 and sandwich.. adjust height and box in the sides?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: FallibleXJ on July 08, 2013, 03:34:24 PM
JKS ones are NLA....

Up Warrior makes a simple one.. but I like the design on the Currie..

(http://www.discountjeepparts.com/images/products/currie/CE-9031A.jpg)

is this something you could build for 1.75" springs..

they only make a 2 or 2.5" spring unit..

Ruff Stuff makes these:

(http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/graphics/00000001/IMG_0512.jpg)

would these be a decent platform to start or easier to make from scratch?
maybe even take 2 and sandwich.. adjust height and box in the sides?

Why not convert to 2.5" leafs? I've heard they're more comfortable.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
i can make anything but why not just buy the 2" ones, not like 1/8" is going to do anything between the pack and ubolts.....


starting with ruff stuff plates would be more work, they are bent the wrong way to start. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 08, 2013, 04:27:57 PM
You know I never really thought about that..  I have been so help bent on finding a good 1.75 I didn't really think about the width difference....
Might order a set and give it a shot.


Sticking with stock width springs in stock locations..  Not going to run much more than a 33-34 tire..

If I do it will become interesting with hi clearance fenders etc...   Only going to get about 3" of suspention lift...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 09, 2013, 12:01:56 AM
the only plate that might be a little wonky is the one that has the larger ubolt that goes around the front housing.  the Center bolt hole might want to be where it wants to be, but i bet you can fudge it and just crank it down. 



Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 12, 2013, 01:45:20 PM
(http://www.aqualu.com/uploads/6/4/2/2/6422733/508837_orig.jpg?343)

Ordered today....

all these parts ordered and not a wrench turned....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 12, 2013, 01:52:49 PM
thats a sweet cage on that guy
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 12, 2013, 01:53:45 PM
needs tons and the tires Ryan has, 37 mtrs, they are nice.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on July 12, 2013, 02:00:53 PM
so new body + new frame = you just bought original for the vin plate?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 12, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
so new body + new frame = you just bought original for the vin plate?

Ha.. Don't even have the title figured out yet...  ;)

I bought it because I loved the way it looked at it was a stock hardtop V8 truck...

Everything else is kinda just falling into place....


I don't want this to be the fastest, strongest, tallest... Just a damn cool unique truck where I can sit back and say wow...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 16, 2013, 07:47:14 AM
Found these in AZ last night...

recovered 10 years ago.. so there are in good shape..
the rear seat is an older ConFer aftermarket seat...

worth the price to have and hold...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6%20Seats/CJ61_zps80dd96ab.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6%20Seats/CJ61_zps80dd96ab.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6%20Seats/CJ6_zps7f8b79c6.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6%20Seats/CJ6_zps7f8b79c6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2013, 09:08:11 AM
Body just arrived 5 min ago...  crated amazingly..
the construction and fab on this is awesome...

Will post up pics later today...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: FallibleXJ on August 12, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
Body just arrived 5 min ago...  crated amazingly..
the construction and fab on this is awesome...

Will post up pics later today...

I remember looking at those tubs a while back, just for grins... Im jealous.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
it’s an amazing work of art...
nothing pre punched, drilled, or nutserts...

blank canvas...  ;D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 15, 2013, 07:49:20 AM
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000442_zps460e647a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000442_zps460e647a.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000441_zpsf912307c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000441_zpsf912307c.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000440_zps88f5b1ba.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000440_zps88f5b1ba.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000439_zpsdeedfd20.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000439_zpsdeedfd20.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000438_zps1cbb596c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000438_zps1cbb596c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 15, 2013, 07:50:22 AM
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000437_zps53bf783d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/Aqualu/aqualu2/IMG_00000437_zps53bf783d.jpg.html)

and this is why I need a template... at least for reference..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 15, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
That's beautiful.

Time for some Meguires!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: FallibleXJ on August 15, 2013, 08:05:06 AM
That's beautiful.

Time for some Meguires!


Tapatalking in traffic

Very jealous...

If you still want to make the template Im available this afternoon after 4:30, otherwise it'll have to wait for next week. I'll be in Philly.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 15, 2013, 08:23:07 AM
I cut cardboard yesterday to the radius of the hood drip rail....

Need to go to HD and get some masonite or 1/8 ply...

Might be a next week activity...
I want to be able to test for the cut board to my tub and get a good reference point....

I also just decided that my 6 will be coming apart soon.  (At least the front clip)
I will be doing a hyd clutch conversion and need to see if using the stock 73 pedals will be easier than a YJ swap..
Also need to figure out steering…

May have not turned a wrench yet.. but im making moves..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: FallibleXJ on August 15, 2013, 08:36:35 AM
I cut cardboard yesterday to the radius of the hood drip rail....

Need to go to HD and get some masonite or 1/8 ply...

Might be a next week activity...
I want to be able to test for the cut board to my tub and get a good reference point....

I also just decided that my 6 will be coming apart soon.  (At least the front clip)
I will be doing a hyd clutch conversion and need to see if using the stock 73 pedals will be easier than a YJ swap..
Also need to figure out steering…

May have not turned a wrench yet.. but im making moves..

If you're swapping to a hydro clutch, I'll gladly take your old linkages :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 15, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
I feel your time table is a little more scheduled than mine
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: FallibleXJ on August 15, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
I feel your time table is a little more scheduled than mine

not scheduled, other than I've been told the heep needs to be out of the garage before the snow falls.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 02, 2013, 01:53:13 PM
gave up on a mass market 360 rebuild.. having TW Machine build me one...

magna-fluxing core this week..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on September 02, 2013, 08:12:57 PM
You just got a runner w a trans too, I think.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 11, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
304 and 360 heads are different.. larger valves and a dogleg exhaust port...

Have a few 304's hanging around now...
need to do inventory and palletize for future..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 23, 2013, 02:55:52 PM
block and crank good... one head bad
new heads coming in to get checked...

What I vowed wouldnt happen is happening.... :-\
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
needs a 2 wire ls motor :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 23, 2013, 03:11:12 PM
I have some coin and patience...

Not fab skills and time....

Keeping it Jeep...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 02, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
dropping off 2 CJ grills for blasting...
going to paint 2 test colors....

(1) 34x9.5 Interco ordered for a test tire..  a bit premature, but just wanted to see how it looks on the slotted rim I have laying around..

Sealed power and fel-pro parts ordered for 360 build at machine shop right now.

Axles being started this week down at SVE... 

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 25, 2013, 11:06:54 AM
Flanged NT D44 completed for the 6..

3.73 gears
ARB locker
Alloy shafts
Rebuild with all new Timken bearings and Seals...
and yes . . .  Stock 11" x 2" finned drums with Kevlar shoes

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0406_zps306dda00.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0406_zps306dda00.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0407_zps35c377af.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0407_zps35c377af.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0408_zps711877bd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0408_zps711877bd.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0420_zps50815736.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0420_zps50815736.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0414_zps6991fa37.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0414_zps6991fa37.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0413_zps0a28aaa8.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0413_zps0a28aaa8.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0412_zps4299482a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0412_zps4299482a.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0410_zps81c81b50.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0410_zps81c81b50.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0417_zps032e2530.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0417_zps032e2530.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0418_zps6cc3a308.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0418_zps6cc3a308.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0423_zpsaca3178b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0423_zpsaca3178b.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0424_zps0f7a255b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0424_zps0f7a255b.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0419_zpse76c4ee5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0419_zpse76c4ee5.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0422_zps312613d3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0422_zps312613d3.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0428_zps12adcc6c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0428_zps12adcc6c.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0427_zps29332c3e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0427_zps29332c3e.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0426_zpsf922e5a3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D44%20Rear/100_0426_zpsf922e5a3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 25, 2013, 11:27:32 AM
doing things right is sweet  8)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 29, 2013, 08:48:29 AM
engine parts ordered from Bulltear and Summit...

need heat in garage shortly....  getting nipster out there..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on October 29, 2013, 09:37:49 AM
had mine going for a couple weeks.  i really love the simple propane and light switch / t stat. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 29, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
I might be going electric...
my shop space is smaller than the garage... and I really only need heat to cure paint and assemble engine/trans/tcase...

I also wouldn’t be afraid of running an electric oil filled space heater overnight to keeps temps warm...

for the garage I think my wife is going to want permanent heat... might need to look into a reznor... :-\
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 29, 2013, 11:03:23 AM
Fenders and Grill arrived from CA today...

amazing how clean shit is out there..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 11, 2013, 06:48:31 PM
Little AMC engine build update...

block came out magnificent... typical better than new
30 over.. decked block and head
Heads worked over a bit... ready for assembly...
all new sealed power internals... valves, pistons, associated hardware, camshaft, etc..
Omix flywheel out of whack.. Chinese shit.. 2 huge slugs removed for balance
went through 3 different aftermarket balancers before I ordered a rebuild one from  Damper Dr. (http://www.damperdoctor.com/)
dropped that off this AM and snug as a bug on the crank snout..

Hit up  Bulltear (http://www.bulltear.com/) and  AMC Parts (http://www.americanpartsdepot.com/) for some of the bolt on misc items needed....

This should be a sweet motor....

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 19, 2013, 03:51:08 PM
new wheels and rubber mounted up...
waiting on front axle for rolling chassis..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Wheels%20and%20TIers/IMG_00000676_zps2a3e96e9.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Wheels%20and%20TIers/IMG_00000676_zps2a3e96e9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on November 19, 2013, 03:53:54 PM
:drool:
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 20, 2013, 10:48:28 AM
Color teaser....

mostly for me.. like to keep motivated by looking toward the end product..
I decided to have JeepGlass.com do up a windshield for me.. in factory AMC Medium Blue Poly...
This is the color I thought I wanted.. now I’m damn sure this is what I wanted...
I don’t think the pics do the paint justice..

Came shipped in a wooden crate, unpacked and packing back up for storage..


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Windshield%20Frame/IMG_00000678_zps68a37417.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Windshield%20Frame/IMG_00000678_zps68a37417.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on November 20, 2013, 11:11:32 AM
That's gonna be PRETTY


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 22, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
rebuilding motors is for the birds

not always true... but yeah . . . had a dose of this today...

AMC's are NOT cheap motors to build.. even for this guy....

not to chest pound or sound like an arrogant ass...

$4,100 from T.W. for core, machine, and build the long block
$?? in parts that I "billed out" of inventory (I will put a number on this just for shits)
$?? of running cost for all the shiny new things that are going on this guy....

if it werent going in something just plain special and cool, a LS van motor would be just fine :-\

BTW.. motor is done... will pickup next week..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on November 22, 2013, 05:10:28 PM
that's a healthy dose of green. oi!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 25, 2013, 02:05:24 PM
for a healthy dose of iron...

just came home today...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000682_zpsffeace5f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000682_zpsffeace5f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 01, 2013, 01:42:33 PM
D30 Front..

3.73 gears
ARB locker, 30 spline
RCV 30 spline shafts
Moog and Wagner chassis and brake parts
Rebuild with all new Timken bearings and Seals...
1982 CJ7 disk brake knuckles w/yukon HD spindles
Superwinch premium lockout hubs.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D30%20Front/013_zps5bd0ff44.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D30%20Front/013_zps5bd0ff44.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D30%20Front/012_zpse15852f3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D30%20Front/012_zpse15852f3.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D30%20Front/010_zpseca121a6.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Axles/D30%20Front/010_zpseca121a6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on December 01, 2013, 04:01:47 PM

ARB locker, 30 spline
RCV 30 spline shafts
Superwinch premium lockout hubs.

One of these is not like the others/ One of these just doesn't belong.

Options are pretty limited unless you go to a unit bearing though, right? There was no D30 internal locking hub? With the ARB I'd probably just run drive flanges with grade 9 bolts. I'm recalling the external lockout issues that were had on other rigs here with bolts loosening and breaking. Wasn't that Ryan's scout 44 front that also had unending spindle bolt issues as well?


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 01, 2013, 04:44:03 PM
nope..
30 spline inners
27 spline outer..

didnt want to go 30 outer for 2 reasons..
 1. availability of spares..
 2. wanted to make the weak link be the outer stub that is more easily fixed on trail...
     one spare stub, lockout, spindle will work for both sides..

there are 30 spline lockouts and a 30 spline stub available...  gives me something to upgrade to :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on December 01, 2013, 06:23:55 PM
Yea, mine broke many times, I believe Cora had issues with hers as well.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 02, 2013, 09:37:38 AM
i broke lots of hubs and then ring gears
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 06, 2013, 07:54:53 AM

heading home.


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Harrison on December 06, 2013, 08:35:22 AM
I'm available for CT to Roc transport if ever needed!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 07, 2013, 07:37:50 PM
Intake oil baffle issues...
fabrication required...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000700_zpsbad24763.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000700_zpsbad24763.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000698_zpscaf1e3a4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000698_zpscaf1e3a4.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000697_zps3adebe01-1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000697_zps3adebe01-1.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000696_zps2c728f00-1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000696_zps2c728f00-1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 12, 2013, 11:35:58 AM
intake baffle cleaned, mangled and riveted into place...
Bulltear engine parts finally came in today...  will hopefully get some work done on the motor this weekend..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000001_zps9fb8b653.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/V8%20Intake/IMG_00000001_zps9fb8b653.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 15, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Started dressing the engine this weekend...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000003_zps9183e24e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000003_zps9183e24e.jpg.html)

and after about 3-4 hrs....

still haven't decided on valve covers..
need to build oil pump and test for pressure...
figuring out acc. brackets and pulleys might be interesting as well.. have a box of parts and bolts that need to be sorted out.
There was some guesswork on the oil pan and pickup tube..
seemed a bit loose in the threads and I need a much better in. torque wrench for the pan bolts..
I might be pulling and re sealing this week...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000017_zps9baca3ce.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000017_zps9baca3ce.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 15, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
U still need pics?
Coras is still complete on the hoist!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 15, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
Yes..   I have a pile of brackets and boots with no road map..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 16, 2013, 11:30:07 AM
oil pan needs to come off...
 ???
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 16, 2013, 11:49:48 AM
Ok ill snap some tonight depending on how late I get home
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 16, 2013, 07:49:03 PM
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I apologize for the mud.

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 16, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 24, 2013, 08:38:12 AM
Frame up on saw horses..
started reaming out front shackle bushings
cutting new thread on shock mounts and drilling out galvanizing slag.


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000733_zpsa5893d20.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000733_zpsa5893d20.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 26, 2013, 08:19:18 AM
wished myself a merry xmas yesterday....

I felt left out..

new dewalt 1/2 18V drill
SS brake lines and flex hoses
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 28, 2013, 05:56:14 PM

Rolling Chassis completed....
all down hill from here right ?!?! ;)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000734_zps86c6d789.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000734_zps86c6d789.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000735_zpse239df64.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000735_zpse239df64.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000736_zps9d7b912f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000736_zps9d7b912f.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000739_zpsd3172b53.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000739_zpsd3172b53.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000740_zpsc78e011c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000740_zpsc78e011c.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000747_zpsf1add14b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000747_zpsf1add14b.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000749_zpseb24129c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000749_zpseb24129c.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000752_zpsabd994dc.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000752_zpsabd994dc.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000753_zps8bdc9696.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000753_zps8bdc9696.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000754_zps9006b099.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000754_zps9006b099.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000756_zps6682c078.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000756_zps6682c078.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on December 29, 2013, 10:26:27 PM
Looks awesome.

Why did you go the SUA route instead of SOA?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 29, 2013, 11:18:44 PM
I'm not an engineer....
But from 1942-1995 every "universal" Jeep left the factory with SUA suspension...

I'd like to think that 53 years and billions in R&D know what's up...

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 01, 2014, 04:27:18 PM
mocked up the steering bracket and gear box...
some of the holes in the bracket need to be opened up a bit and I had to shave down some of the corners..  wasn't a precision fit.
does the angle of the steering box look good?  Im use to looking at the YJ where the box is perpendicular to the frame rails.. 

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000782_zps0a259549.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000782_zps0a259549.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 01, 2014, 09:13:23 PM
smike..
If I send the old steering tube down to south tomorrow can you throw a bead of weld around the bracket and drop off friday?


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 01, 2014, 09:25:57 PM
box looks normal for CJ's

and Yes
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 01, 2014, 09:34:23 PM
Sweet..   I want to get as much stuff powder coated at once so it will keep me busy..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 02, 2014, 02:16:45 PM
might not get this down to south today...
wanted to gut the second one I have in case the tube is in better shape..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 02, 2014, 05:29:51 PM
Fuck NLA parts..
Thought I was over that horrid three letter acronym..
Looks like 72-75 Jeeps can be just as obscure as land rovers of the same vintage..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 03, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Going to send that steering column down today if you have time.. ill post some pics
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 05, 2014, 04:56:13 PM
seems that years of fat people abuse puts strain on these things..
a bead around the brackets would prob help this fat kid from breaking it... the factory in the early 70's didnt see the weight epidemic looming.

the bracket and the old welds fit like a puzzle...  shouldnt be too hard to match

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000798_zps945ff91c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000798_zps945ff91c.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000796_zpsf214faa3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000796_zpsf214faa3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on January 05, 2014, 05:03:04 PM
Steering column?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 05, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
yuppers
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 05, 2014, 05:36:12 PM
trying to get a lot of stuff together for a sizable powdercoat run

anybody need anything gloss black lmK...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 06, 2014, 09:44:22 AM
Ill try to grab it today at lunch.  Lost friday afternoon - Sunday to monster jam. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 06, 2014, 09:46:48 AM
i figured...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 08, 2014, 01:46:59 PM
did you get a chance to take a look at this?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 08, 2014, 02:55:01 PM
stars did not align yesterday.  Got up early today just for you so i could make it to nuway this afternoon.  should have it heading back to you tomorrow.


3rd one of these i have welded up so im sure its not an issue.  i shortened Eds Column about 4" also.  something to think about.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 08, 2014, 03:10:45 PM
i think Jeeps were built around 5,10 people...  I should be ok...
the CJ6 feels nice.... for a non tilt
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 10, 2014, 09:27:25 AM
should see a column back to you today
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 10, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
just got it.. going to drop off at powder..  angle looks good..  a deg or 2 off but in the right direction  ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 10, 2014, 09:20:51 PM
just needed a place to park some pictures...

stolen from other peoples Photobucket

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/fuzzgremlin/CJ%20Alternator%20mount/100_0002.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fuzzgremlin/media/CJ%20Alternator%20mount/100_0002.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/fuzzgremlin/CJ%20Alternator%20mount/100_0001.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fuzzgremlin/media/CJ%20Alternator%20mount/100_0001.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 10, 2014, 09:23:28 PM
http://theamcforum.com/forum/uploads/5136/82_Alt_bracket.jpg
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: tony on January 11, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
who do you use for powder coat ??
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 11, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
leland is doing this run...
i have used DeLoka before...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 11, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
Made some headway today... engine almost all buttoned up..

popped off the oil pan and installed the little plastic button on the bottom of the pickup tube..
Prevents the sump from getting sucked to the bottom of the pan..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000746_zps0ed63c3f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000746_zps0ed63c3f.jpg.html)

Finished building the oil pump..
HRC cut gears should help increase life and oil pressure..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000804_zps591d5afe.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000804_zps591d5afe.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000805_zps47f95ff0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000805_zps47f95ff0.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000805_zps47f95ff0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000806_zps4d5d35a3.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000807_zps599027d3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000807_zps599027d3.jpg.html)

turned this.....

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000712_zps6efd334f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000712_zps6efd334f.jpg.html)

into.....

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000809_zpsbdb7ff7f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000809_zpsbdb7ff7f.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000808_zpsb9a8f938.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000808_zpsb9a8f938.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on January 11, 2014, 07:23:07 PM
Looking good, Arie!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on January 11, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
pretty!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: carchameleon on January 12, 2014, 09:01:24 AM
Looks awesome
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 12, 2014, 04:35:34 PM
have to design a tub lifting rig...

Im thinking some 2x4 and a single eyelet... 
going to have to find the COG for a CJ6...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 12, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Got some misc work done on the frame today..
Started the running the rear brake lines...
76-86 SS flex lines do not work with the 73 pre bent SS lines..
Need some adapters... :o

Motor frame mounts positioned.. and of course 72-75 Jeeps require some "drilling modification"

New lower shock studs made.. better alignment with the top studs.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Chassis%20Parts/IMG_00000812_zpsbb1fe018.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Chassis%20Parts/IMG_00000812_zpsbb1fe018.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Chassis%20Parts/IMG_00000810_zpsf4e3a314.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Chassis%20Parts/IMG_00000810_zpsf4e3a314.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on January 14, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
What brand motor mounts?
I know u have brown dog in the yj.
Looking to purchase new HD for cora's 360 in lieu of fab.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 14, 2014, 09:26:17 PM
M.O.R.E

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on January 15, 2014, 07:29:27 AM
Thank you sir!
Motor looks very good.
Makes cora's look extra dirty!
Planning some prep time on that this weekend.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 15, 2014, 08:04:35 AM
i have some extra and spare almost everything if you need...


engine related that is..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on January 15, 2014, 08:40:28 AM
K thanks
I'll see what I get into.
Right now only thing I'm thinking I need to do is
New PSC Steering pump and Sealed housing
Remove clutch fan
New belts & Hoses
New plugs
New Mean Green Alternator
New Starter

Do you have any 2 bolt factory style exhaust flanges?
Manifold to down pipe side?
We are planning to still run stock manifolds but the previous exhaust system had undersized flanges and they warped and always leaked.




Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 17, 2014, 10:41:15 PM
crossmember mounted tonight... seems there are 2 stock positions so its just finger tight for the moment..
yay fastenall for all new flange bolts and nuts.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000816_zps7440786f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000816_zps7440786f.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000818_zps18fd66a8.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000818_zps18fd66a8.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000819_zpsa6592359.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000819_zpsa6592359.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000820_zpsbfca89aa.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000820_zpsbfca89aa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 17, 2014, 10:43:59 PM
picked misc CJ6 parts and MJ bumpers from powdercoat...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/powdercoat/IMG_00000815_zpsde6d5381.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/powdercoat/IMG_00000815_zpsde6d5381.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 19, 2014, 07:58:52 PM
tackled steering this weekend..

Box mounted on new bracket..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000825_zps618d21be.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000825_zps618d21be.jpg.html)

Steering box brace mounted...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000824_zpsffdc12c3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000824_zpsffdc12c3.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000821_zps8260466e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000821_zps8260466e.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000830_zps4d416d77.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000830_zps4d416d77.jpg.html)

Missing Pitman arm nut... so all progress kinda halted here..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000829_zps2656aef7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000829_zps2656aef7.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000828_zpsf6dc97b5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_00000828_zpsf6dc97b5.jpg.html)

getting ready to plop the engine in the frame...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 19, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
Odd question....

Anybody mount a fiberglass tub or repli tub without scribe marks?
I was just thinking what would I have to reference that the tub is in the correct position...? 

I haven't actually mocked the tub on the frame yet.. So if there is an 'ah ah' factor here I apologize..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 19, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Put the steering shaft and column in and connect to box.  Nothing else matters.  No marks any where.  Both i have done were the wrong match tub/frame
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 20, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
Not a bad idea..
I was also thinking use the center mount for the grill and work back with the fenders installed then tub..
Might get the tub over to the garage this week..

Motor is almost ready to drop and some garage updates being done today that will make life rather easy 8)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 23, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Chassis body....
body meet chassis..... 8)


they finally meet face to face....

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/garage%20shots/IMG_00000845_zps0fc44c73.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/garage%20shots/IMG_00000845_zps0fc44c73.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/garage%20shots/IMG_00000844_zps2f6d9bb9.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/garage%20shots/IMG_00000844_zps2f6d9bb9.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/garage%20shots/IMG_00000843_zps5f5c4d08.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/garage%20shots/IMG_00000843_zps5f5c4d08.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on January 25, 2014, 07:22:14 PM
Such a pretty tub!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 01, 2014, 03:16:26 PM
Engine wrestled in the frame today...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000860_zpsfea3181b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000860_zpsfea3181b.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000862_zps2f5aafb1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000862_zps2f5aafb1.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000863_zps9dca5fde.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/IMG_00000863_zps9dca5fde.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 02, 2014, 04:18:56 PM
degreased, sanded, and a coat of primer on the gas tank...
purchased some Eastwood gas tank paint I decided to try...
I think its nothing but a zinc rich paint.. almost like a cold galvanizing spray...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_00000868_zpsd01b56dd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_00000868_zpsd01b56dd.jpg.html)

Started putting together the swing pedal assembly..
pressed in the new bronze bushings and cleaned up the hardware..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000865_zps030097c9.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000865_zps030097c9.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000867_zps1e86354b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000867_zps1e86354b.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000869_zps088e4322.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000869_zps088e4322.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on February 02, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
This rig is turning out to be nicer than when it came out of the factory :)  Keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jaysenodell on February 03, 2014, 09:09:48 AM
After showing my wife the picts from this thread she stopped complaining about me dragging a hood through the living room.


How much of the build will be with the original parts? those original parts are older than me ...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 03, 2014, 10:15:01 AM
with exception of the tub, everything is original to the era....
tub designed in era spec however...

but to be even more specific... nothing has been removed (yet) from the original 1973 Jeep I purchased...
I like to buy NOS when possible.. makes fitment and function issues nonexistent…
I happen upon a large hoard of 72-75 parts... that’s helped tremendously.

Nothing dragged thought the house yet…
Don’t tell my wife, but I conceded to buy the house because of the garage space…
Mike, Paul, and Jared have seen it firsthand…
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jaysenodell on February 03, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
So this is a scratch build to match the '73 using generation parts? Wow.


Dragging a hood or an axle through the living room is a great way to do the following:
1. Convince wife you need heat in barn.
2. Get sent to the the banishment room for a while.


Not in the order of course.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 03, 2014, 10:51:48 AM
I guess that’s a good way to put it.. I’m building from scratch...

It’s the no skimp Jeep I always wanted build...  don’t know how long it will take or how much, but I promise it will be sweet...

I happen to have more garage time now and a good enough collection of parts that it seems like I’m cruising..
but I guarantee a screeching halt sometime in the coming months....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 05, 2014, 09:09:24 AM
ran into my first real hurdle with this guy..
body doesn’t want to sit square on the frame..
stock body mounts should be 5/8’s.. I think I’m getting high centered on the load floor support to the cross member..
also the 5/8 body mounts made it impossible to run the finned fabricated valve covers..  I am going to have to use stock style ones at this moment.

There were a few 15/16’s spacers in the kit and I used them at the cowl..  seemed to give me enough lift to get the rear support off the cross member.

Going to call prothane today and see if they sell individual mounts.. if not I don’t know what I’m exactly going to do..

Here is the cross member.... 

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000859_zpsa3210cc5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000859_zpsa3210cc5.jpg.html)

Some of the valve cover clearance issues...
I had some cheap 29.99 chrome guys that’s I used to paint that I might be able to get away with...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000880_zpsd88a8488.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000880_zpsd88a8488.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000879_zps5447fe00.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000879_zps5447fe00.jpg.html)

Believe it or not the body IS centered....
seems the rear cross member is not exactly even....  unsure why at this point...  something the rear bumper and a sawzall will fix...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000881_zps43a0676b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000881_zps43a0676b.jpg.html)

Teaser shot.... everything lined up nice...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000877_zps9e389e23.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000877_zps9e389e23.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 05, 2014, 09:17:04 AM
The last pics I see are from your 2/1 post.  Just me?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 05, 2014, 09:22:22 AM
I see em all.

if you click, the links to PB work as they should for me too
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 05, 2014, 09:23:39 AM
I see them.

Maybe a 1" body lift.?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 05, 2014, 09:28:04 AM
pre 75 jeeps are hard to find mounts for.. just the stock 5/8" spacers...

I have 2 prothane sizes in my hand that are 15/16' and 1 5/16"
I’m going to see if they can sell those individually..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 05, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Either that or buy another full kit?
 Or is that still not enough of the correct size?

Can you shift backwards to gain more valve cover clearance?

Hard to tell from the photo.
Rear of tub flush with bumper mount?

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Nick on February 05, 2014, 10:14:42 AM
To my naked non measuring tape eye through a pic it looks like the left side of the rear bumper has a tiny bit of it is cut off. If you look at the other side it comes to a sharper point and that little difference will make up where your line is on the bumper.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 05, 2014, 10:17:15 AM
I just learned that the driver side was from the factory longer...
that’s where the license plate attached to....

and yes.. it got a little tweaked from moving it around…
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 05, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
Well this is weird....

Tapatalk just shows a broken link, and they do not show in PB either.  I can see all up to 2/1 post fine. 

Went on my PC and it shows nothing at all where the pics are.  None of the pics in the whole tread, no indication they are there. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 05, 2014, 10:57:39 AM
In my professional IT guy opinion:

I think you are broken!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 05, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Working fine for me.
But had similar issues over the weekend with photos from Cuba ride.
All better now.
I gave Tapatalk a leg kick!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on February 05, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
All pics show here.  Looking good Arie!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on February 05, 2014, 11:48:12 AM
I wish they would quit working for me.. I keep drooling on my phone or keyboard everytime I open this thread!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 05, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
I have a plan.....

going to cut some 2” square x 1” tall wooden blocks...
get 4 of them with washers and screws secured to the chassis so they don’t migrate…
get body where I want it and drill the 4 holes to get my alignments.

It’s going to be tight in there so I want to get the tranny mounted before I make any final decisions on body height… 

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 06, 2014, 08:56:24 AM
So it appears I cannot access photobucket anything here at work, even the website itslef.  Whats up with that?  We dont restrict anything that I know of.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 06, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
I think you just found out that some things are restricted ::)


LOL
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 06, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
I confirmed nothing specific is restricted
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on February 06, 2014, 02:10:53 PM
infact the guy didnt know what photobucket is lol
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 06, 2014, 02:32:33 PM
maybe your compudrone has teh plague
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 08, 2014, 10:05:18 PM
4 body holes drilled....
I'm committed..... Finally........
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 10, 2014, 09:50:16 AM
Got a LOT LESS done this weekend than I would have hoped..
got 4 body mount holes drilled in the tub.. it’s as close as its ever going to be to dead on balls centered..  a lot closer than the factory ever achieved.
Gas tank zinc painted and mounted.. will need to come out again before final body assembly.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_00000901_zpsebec50fd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_00000901_zpsebec50fd.jpg.html)

Transmission and Tcase didn’t make it Friday..
1 little snow storm and freight companies are delayed for days..
Got the inspection cover and flywheel in place.. when to install the clutch and even I am not impervious to defective parts…
Friction disc was all chewed up from shipping..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000900_zps9d9029aa.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000900_zps9d9029aa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 11, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
Transmission adn Tcase arrived...
heavy as shit..

loaded into SRT8 like it was a pickup bed... very unsure how i will unload @ my house....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 11, 2014, 11:54:24 AM
pick with engine hoist on shortest chain possible and drive out from under (around) it
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 11, 2014, 11:56:09 AM
Smike has my hoist on perm loan... I only have the vertical chain fall on the gantry...
Hatch might get in the way  ::)

might be playing strong man..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 11, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
yeah, roof might, too... hmm


I think Troy has mine. I know I don't :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on February 11, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
Step #1 - Hook chain to crate and to back of garage.
Step #2 - Accelerate out of garage.

Done.  ;D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 13, 2014, 08:29:02 AM
Ended up having a bit of cabin fever last night from being in a small little plane all day long..

no engine hoist, and only a vertical chain fall...
I lifted this sucker out of the jeep and onto a floor dolly..
I’m sure I’ll be sorry for it tonight.

all strapped up and ready for install..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000905_zpsd83b202d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000905_zpsd83b202d.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000911_zps9d751e74.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000911_zps9d751e74.jpg.html)

Finished with the clutch install.. sent the flywheel housing out to be bead blasted.. ill clear coat that tonight assuming I get it back from the machine shop in time..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000910_zps7ee6187d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_00000910_zps7ee6187d.jpg.html)

I decided to go with stock cast iron manifolds..
Ordered a new set from Crown and I have to say the quality of the casting and clean up is far better than the Dorman ones we sell and others I have seen..
little red tag fell out of the plastic bag and low and behold there was a little bit of homeland pride in there...
they are on their way right now to get Jet Hot Coated...
love the way clean cast metal looks...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000907_zps5a124464.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000907_zps5a124464.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000906_zps8986b359.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000906_zps8986b359.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 13, 2014, 09:16:41 AM
this is a sweet look...

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/4331028701.html
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on February 13, 2014, 09:17:49 AM
this is a sweet look...

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/4331028701.html

so when does it start its journey to Rochester?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 13, 2014, 09:23:30 AM
who says I dont already have a half cab....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 13, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
i like this better :) 

(http://www.fingerlakes4x4.org/twg189/cache/2009_Feb%2B-%2BWhispering%2BPines_wpfeb7.jpg.small.jpg)

(http://www.fingerlakes4x4.org/twg189/cache/2009_Feb%2B-%2BWhispering%2BPines_040.JPG_s.jpg.small.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on February 13, 2014, 09:30:27 AM
who says I dont already have a half cab....

I was talking the whole jeep.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 13, 2014, 09:31:14 AM
light years away from tops...

I’ve actually contacted these guys about a custom top..

http://www.rallytops.com/

fiberglass is so much easier than steel... and it won’t corrode the body..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 13, 2014, 09:31:59 AM
who says I dont already have a half cab....

I was talking the whole jeep.

yeah i know.. i dont pay crazy money for completed things.. just for things i might never complete..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 15, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Stabbed the motor.. drivetrain connected and in place..

ran into some issues with the mount for the T18/300 combo...
since its a Scout case and it mounts directly to the factory 1" adapter plate like a D20 would...

generic ploy trans mount wont mount to the plate...  Smike.. do you remember what you did for a T18 swap in a Intermediate CJ?
mocked it up with some nuts as spacers and dont you know the motor is dead on balls...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000917_zpsa455ca6f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000917_zpsa455ca6f.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000918_zps4beaf544.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000918_zps4beaf544.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000919_zps2a92c86f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000919_zps2a92c86f.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000920_zpsd26340ee.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000920_zpsd26340ee.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000921_zps113e4392.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000921_zps113e4392.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
my engine moved up 2" from factory location to keep the case and driveshafts in the same place.

went with a low pro mechanical fan and no spacer. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2014, 05:05:32 PM
just bolt the cross member to the case / trans as needed, drill new holes in the frame
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 15, 2014, 05:17:09 PM
drivetrain placement is perfect.. its the mount...
have a few places to call Monday and see if another mount exists..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2014, 05:20:57 PM
mine had a plate with 3 holes that moved the rubber mount over or something
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 15, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
Hmm.  This plate sounds interesting
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2014, 06:40:49 PM
the rubber 2 bolt mount only uses one ear on the trans.  the plate bolts to the trans on both sides, shares one of the ears, and the other side through bolts with a nut to the plate factory. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 15, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
there is a different mount listed in the FSM for a CJ with a 4 speed...
bolts right to the stock adapter...
crossmember might be relocated as well....

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 18, 2014, 02:15:49 PM
new mount arrived....
I think it'll do...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 23, 2014, 10:22:43 AM
used Advance Adapters universal crossmember mount... (for the time being)

(http://cdn-us-ec-1.yottaa.net/521f773686305e2eec000a68/www.advanceadapters.com/v~1.12/images/ecomm/products/sized/716003_WEB1.jpg?yocs=_&yoloc=us)

still haven't mounted trans to or changed placment of crossmember.
want to get the body mocked up now and check tranny tunnel height.

found out it is a scout adapter plate thus the problems I am having with finding a correct Jeep mount...

(https://scoutparts.com/products/photos/12418a_232598.jpg)

ordered a scout mount before I commit to a mounting solution...
looking forward to seeing what issues im going to have with the body now :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 23, 2014, 04:53:45 PM
and its deff been a while since I've done stuff like this...
constant fitting and refitting...
stock frame and aftermarket body never make for an easy installation..

Ill post some pics later.. but might end up needing a custom crossmember.
Want to keep as close to stock (period correct) appearance as I can..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 23, 2014, 10:11:04 PM
I set 4 threaded rod guides to raise and lower the body on, helped keep it straight and made the 10 up and downs easier..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000941_zpsb49b02f2.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000941_zpsb49b02f2.jpg.html)

4" hole saw centered the shift tower

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000958_zpsb6fc2fbb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000958_zpsb6fc2fbb.jpg.html)

Took a stock tunnel cover and traced on the floor to get a rough cutout section.
Shit tower wasn't dead center, but close enough to make a template.
Jigsaw took care of the transmission opening.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000961_zps1ab04bdc.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000961_zps1ab04bdc.jpg.html)

I removed the crossmember since I still don't have an acceptable transmission mount and used a floor jack to raise and lower the drivetrain through various angles.
Drivetrain clearance looks good now.. Might need to take just a hair more off toward the firewall..
Got the body to sit almost within stock guidelines... About 5/8 - 7/8"s off the frame...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000959_zps6e089bb0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000959_zps6e089bb0.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000962_zps9459842d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_00000962_zps9459842d.jpg.html)










Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 25, 2014, 08:30:47 AM
fuck prothane...

they make 2 spacers that are only available in kits...
one about an inch tall and on about one and a quarter..

they don’t sell them individually, only in lots of 50 and to distributors..
looks like ill end up cutting body rubber…
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 25, 2014, 09:10:43 AM
what do you need?  i stock a few different types of bushings rubber and such
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 25, 2014, 09:14:11 AM
exact size hasn’t been determined yet..
but prothane makes 2 body mounts
68085 2" diam, 1/2 bolt hole, .94" tall
68084 2" diam, 1/2 bolt hole, 1.32" tall

would have likes to make either of those my body mounts..

I have 48" of 2.5" 1/2 bolt hole body mount rubber... so I’m good... just would have rather had the smaller poly ones..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 25, 2014, 09:17:49 AM
o gotcha. 

Chop saw with a wood blade works great.  put the rubber in the freezer over night, makes it easier and less mess.   or my water cooled band saw works great too. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 25, 2014, 09:22:18 AM
good tip... Ill run the shop vac while im doing it...


Dash came in..
now I can start drilling more holes in the tub.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_00000964_zps942d1589.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_00000964_zps942d1589.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2014, 08:40:33 AM
got the dash installed last night, more holes drilled and trans hump opened up a bit...
started measuring for the column hole... wasn’t sure enough on the angle to make the move.
Body is sitting on stock 5/8 pucks for now and everything is looking good...
manifolds and cross member height will be the deciding factor..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_00000967_zps24afdc94.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_00000967_zps24afdc94.jpg.html)

Manifolds came back from Jet hot... Will go home on the motor this week..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000966_zps501ec8fa.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000966_zps501ec8fa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
whats the fuzz on the hole edges?  slag?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2014, 09:03:25 AM
protective film from im assuming the water jet??  leaving it on till I do whatever with it..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2014, 09:04:45 AM
the CJ5 still in the shop?  does it have the factory column?  might bring my protractor and pocket protector ;D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2014, 09:08:57 AM
ya CJ is on the lift.  I shortened the column 3" and still need to fab a lower fire wall mount that got misplaced over the years of the build. 

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2014, 09:21:22 AM
angle should be the same at the firewall... thats what I need...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2014, 09:35:41 AM
take it with a grain, the column was shortened, re welded to the dash plate, and i didnt drill the hole in the firewall.... so its probably far from factory location, height, angle, and position lol
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 27, 2014, 10:08:52 AM
Steering column hole cut... Might be on the money, might be a bit too low.. doesn’t seem to be a lot of meat for the firewall bracket to clamp on to..
Might need to make some adjustments..
Just ordered myself a Bergeson steering shaft to mock up... no final assembly as of yet... still need to decide on floor coating or covering...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000969_zps50e987ed.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000969_zps50e987ed.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000970_zpscd943407.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/IMG_00000970_zpscd943407.jpg.html)


ARP - great studs about .25" too great..
manifolds wont clear the head bolts blocking the ports on the head..  need to get some stock AMC head bolts in six locations to make room for the manifolds..
did a quick search on this and it seems it’s a known problem among the AMC guys... no real issue for me running close to stock compression..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000968_zps7f09772e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000968_zps7f09772e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 27, 2014, 10:31:15 AM
FFFFUUUUU.


that's a grr.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: matt on February 27, 2014, 12:07:23 PM
Looking good.

Is the engine and tub bolted down?  The valve covers look close the firewall.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 27, 2014, 03:01:43 PM
engine is in place....
tub is still undecided and loose..

but yes, valve covers will be close..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 03, 2014, 09:34:56 AM
Ended up cutting a larger hold in the floor than I had originally anticipated..
the T18 is a HUGE transmission and I didn’t want to lower the crossmember, so I had to make room up above.
I’m still within the footprint of the stock tunnel cover, but it will need to be modified or a custom one made.

The recipe that worked for my trans mount was the "Z" bracket from a Scout II and a standard Jeep/Chevy transmission mount.
crossmember is in factory location, with factory bracing, no extra holes drilled..
I couldn’t use the Scout mounting pucks due to the fact that the D300 and oil pan is bigger than the stock D20.  This is the key reason why the hole in the floor got bigger.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000972_zpsa6a07ccf.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000972_zpsa6a07ccf.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000973_zps95454cc0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/IMG_00000973_zps95454cc0.jpg.html)

Got the pedal bracket mocked up and holes for the hydraulic systems drilled.
going to have to shorten, bend, or both the pedal arms due to the slope of the tub floor. 
Both Masters fit nicely in the engine compartment.. have to bring the hood home to check clearances.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000974_zps2fc7cf38.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000974_zps2fc7cf38.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000975_zps01cb96e4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00000975_zps01cb96e4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 03, 2014, 09:42:08 AM
And i have the opposite problem, i have to bend down closer to the floor cause our petals are way too high!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 06, 2014, 08:22:11 AM
Smike, Im going to take some pictures of the pedals as they are and take some measurments... I would like to see what we can do here..

I found a new sandblaster...

Before

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/sheet%20metal/IMG952014030595114013412_zps3b652b72.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/sheet%20metal/IMG952014030595114013412_zps3b652b72.jpg.html)

After

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/sheet%20metal/IMG952014030595190349590_zps0f1d3b9e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/sheet%20metal/IMG952014030595190349590_zps0f1d3b9e.jpg.html)

18 hr. turnaround time..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jaysenodell on March 06, 2014, 08:30:17 AM
Arie,


Can you post some info on places you use for things like powder coating, painting, sandblasting, etc? I'd like to do MLC right the first time and you are clearly getting top quality there and with MJ.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 06, 2014, 08:34:33 AM
you should look at my land rover thread...  ;)

i'll get something together... post in tech.. but untill I do just ask if you need anything.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 06, 2014, 05:32:23 PM
Manifolds in... snug as a bug in the engine compartment.
need to find some brass plugs for the air tube ports..
ARP bolts were way to huge.. stock ones worked well. 
The Remflex gaskets are awesome and sealed tight.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000988_zps1b9e1b83.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000988_zps1b9e1b83.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000987_zps77be7a99.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_00000987_zps77be7a99.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on March 06, 2014, 05:49:24 PM
Looks like the body really needs 1/2" up/back to get off the manifolds. even tighter than the valve covers
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 06, 2014, 06:56:10 PM
optical illusion and reflection...

manifolds went on no issue, no wiggle..
(with the fender off)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 07, 2014, 10:34:27 AM
Damn thats a sweet looking motor.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 11, 2014, 09:38:59 AM
spoke to larry @ custom truck yesterday about a spray in liner...
I think im pulling the trigger on this..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2014, 09:44:59 AM
can you PM me the ball park cost if that was discussed so i can pass to ED, he might also be interested in doing his 5
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 11, 2014, 09:46:15 AM
400 - 600
all depends on masking form what I understand.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 24, 2014, 09:12:43 AM
Have been a bit slow on this guy the past 2 weeks...
have a few hold ups and hang ups that caused a few speed bumps.

Had to get a correct pedal assembly in the truck..
the later CJ one would have required too much modification where safety would have been compromised.
Here is a 72-75 assembly modified to a hydraulic clutch, mocked up with a spare steering column.
Needed some more meat on the pedal assembly to fit the larger brake booster bracket...  off to powder coat and should be back for this week.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00001020_zpsa83c3581.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00001020_zpsa83c3581.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00001019_zps0323c0b3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00001019_zps0323c0b3.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00001031_zps13a36df7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_00001031_zps13a36df7.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_20140322_141345_zpsda9c0c7e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Swing%20Pedals/IMG_20140322_141345_zpsda9c0c7e.jpg.html)

Ran into a little bit of luck finally...
the 76-79 Y Pipe we had in stock fits nicely in the frame..
might have some clearance issues with the front driveshaft, but that can easily be modified.
Its enough to get the motor running and the exhaust going back...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/exhaust/IMG_20140322_164719_zps53a3cf23.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/exhaust/IMG_20140322_164719_zps53a3cf23.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/exhaust/IMG_20140322_164707_zps5ea57e2a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/exhaust/IMG_20140322_164707_zps5ea57e2a.jpg.html)

Got to mocking up the radiator and condenser.. Didn’t want to be drilling any holes in fresh paint.
Took some strap steel to make some initial brackets, will be remaking them in 1/8" plate
Radiator fits nicely in stock location and there is a nice air gap between the Radiator/Condenser..
I might try and make an air damn on the top and bottom, or perhaps a rubber seal to direct air flow..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Radiator/IMG_20140323_150422_zps413e4caa.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Radiator/IMG_20140323_150422_zps413e4caa.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Radiator/IMG_20140323_150517_zps2b056869.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Radiator/IMG_20140323_150517_zps2b056869.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Radiator/IMG_20140323_150511_zps564dc2fa.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Radiator/IMG_20140323_150511_zps564dc2fa.jpg.html)

Body fitment has been difficult and easy all at the same time.
once I got the thought out of my head about cutting as little as possible the job got easier  ;D
the drive train holes were the trickiest..
A tucked up 4 speed and a twin stick where a twin stick never was.
I have heard stories of a bolt head coming into contact with a tub and making noise like everything was falling apart.. I was making sure that wasn’t going to happen here.
Cut some relief areas to make field adjustments if necessary and make removal easy if need be.

I don’t really have any good pictures but since the D300 is a bit larger than the D20 and my driveline is tucked up into the frame I needed to cut some relief areas in the aluminum floor supports for one area in particular where they were just kissing..
I’m already on 1.25" rubber mounts where .625" is stock.. I wasn’t going any higher...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_00001015_zps86dbe734.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_00001015_zps86dbe734.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_00001018_zps551b5586.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_00001018_zps551b5586.jpg.html)

Starting to button up loose ends on the engine/drivetrain
Mean Green starter installed (I don’t know how the stock one would have fit)
Stock height cast valve covers installed
Dipstick and brackets painted and touched up (installing was a p.i.t.a)
Fuel injection system arrived...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_20140323_200846_zps9d30db65.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_20140323_200846_zps9d30db65.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_20140323_200905_zps4dceb178.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_20140323_200905_zps4dceb178.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_20140323_200918_zps26a93cf1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/IMG_20140323_200918_zps26a93cf1.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Howell/IMG_20140323_201708_zps6aece09f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Howell/IMG_20140323_201708_zps6aece09f.jpg.html)



Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on March 24, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Wait.  Condenser?  This is going to have A/C?  That will be sweet!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 24, 2014, 09:36:35 AM
o no not another bastardized mismatch system using GM parts!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 24, 2014, 09:44:33 AM
That's why I didn't build this motor with a cam and bumped compression..

On stock motors it's just an electronic carburetor..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on March 24, 2014, 05:10:23 PM
That's really coming together nicely!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 25, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Roll cage:

Smike.. how do you determine how wide a hoop should be?  is there a golden equation or rule of thumb?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2014, 09:17:33 AM
for a CJ thing, as wide and as big as possible to fit inside whatever top your running
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 25, 2014, 09:23:30 AM
ok so there is no x" off the dash, x" off the tub sides etc...?

just get in there with a tape and figure out width.. height can always be adjusted if ends are left long enough...?

what size do you recomend"

also.. concept of a split hoop vs. continuous piece of steel?
Is it really that much better with a slug installed?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2014, 10:59:31 AM
im not sure what your asking

are you getting a cage kit or trying to make something used fit? or?

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 25, 2014, 11:20:45 AM
“custom” kit...

I have a nice credit at Extreme Custom Fab and they sell CJ kits..
He generally sells a split hoop design to save on shipping, but I like the idea of a continuous piece of steel..
With my truck freight discount it’s a moot issue..

He told me the split hoop enables the width to be tailored at time of install which I get.. for a fixed hoop I just need to get him good measurements..
I just didn’t know if there was any guidelines that would put a cage in a “sweet spot”

I got foot plate dimensions and windshield angle to contend with.. that should be good enough..
Everything is left long to adjust for roof height..

The guy was nice enough to take some stuff back and give me store credit.. I just don’t need anything else and want to take him up on his offer before he forgets about it kind of thing..

(http://extremecustomparts.com/images/F26675303.jpg)

(http://extremecustomparts.com/images/F68207304.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2014, 11:37:42 AM
gotcha

best bet would be to measure eds or Ians and figure out what you dont like about it
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on March 25, 2014, 12:04:31 PM
I like the 3-hoop design.  I think mine will be similar.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 26, 2014, 09:47:54 PM
Test seat came in...
Mockup this week...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 30, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
I need a to do list..
Too many little things going on I'm like an a.d.d kid staring at a disco ball..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 31, 2014, 08:37:41 AM
aside from the obvious, what’s the real big benefit to using a single piece of tube for the main hoops?

these kits are sold as a split hoop that gets welded together...
how much added protection am I really gaining?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 31, 2014, 09:07:49 AM
571 is slugged in 19 places

more important is the structural geometry and how its assembled.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 31, 2014, 09:11:29 AM
so there is really nothing wrong with ordering the "kit" as is and it being assembled by a competent welder/fabricator  ::)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 31, 2014, 09:17:16 AM
Running "TO DO" list

Engine:
Howell
Exhaust manifold plugs (copper washer)
Y pipe (gaskets & valve)
Cooling fan (fan clutch)
Paint dipstick bracket and touch up dipstick


Transmission / Tcase:
Slave Cyl.
Fork boot
Paint touch up
Inspection cover

Shifter installs
Driveshaft (order & front Y pipe alteration)
 
Body:
Radiator/condenser mock up in grill (1/8” plate)
Steel painting (grill, hood, fenders, hinges)
Floor support trimming for Tcase (flap wheels)
Windshield hinge drilling
Wiper linkage
Tailgate and hinges
Pedals (rebuild)
Column (adjustment for seats)

Column bracket (drill)
Tub liner
Firewall insulation
sand and polish

Seats:
Type (Corbeau and Mastercraft)
Mounting (stock mounts)
Sliders or not

Misc.
Wiring (painless?)
Dash gauges
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 01, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
got a little work done last night..
drilled and opened up the firewall for the column bracket.
Can start rebuilding the column now.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140331_200404_zps0f9537f7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140331_200404_zps0f9537f7.jpg.html)

Stock seat brackets with a Corbeau Moab seat..
comfortable position (without sliders...)
Have a Mastercraft seat coming today to mock up.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140331_200410_zpsa7f925a7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140331_200410_zpsa7f925a7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2014, 08:22:53 AM
might be a silly question.. but how do you cut a square hole?  (Throttle cable)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 02, 2014, 09:16:32 AM
Easiest way is drill then file.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jaysenodell on April 02, 2014, 09:37:29 AM
Corner "nibler" (that's the the shop guy here called it). "They are made for that. So is a corner punch, but you'd need a sturdy surface to punch into."


The advantage to an office next to the fixture prototype shop...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2014, 10:55:30 AM
Easiest way is drill then file.

yeah.. I figured..   
just swept and vacuumed yesterday too... time for more aluminum to fly..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 03, 2014, 08:09:55 AM
Hey are those down pipes from Nuway?
Starting my exhaust shortly and not able to use cora's old ones?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 03, 2014, 09:02:14 AM
should be.. they stopped producing but we might have more.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 03, 2014, 09:10:48 AM
mocked up the mastercraft seat last night and albeit comfy, it’s a tight job in there...
stock brackets might not cut it, expensive suspension seats might not cut it…
trying not to get hung up on this and deal with it later..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 03, 2014, 09:33:42 AM
Couple of threads I've been reading mention a shorter version of the seat from a side-by-side, ie: RZR.  They give you about 3" more leg bend room.  Don't know if that's where the space is needed.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 03, 2014, 10:00:06 AM
These jeeps were tight from the get go..
Using a high back seat may not be the best thing without modified seat brackets..

It's the huge school buss wheel and non tilting column that are an issue.. not to mention the small door opening, short legs and growing thighs of the operator.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 03, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
K thanks I'll call Robyn
Can you confirm years?
I lol have to verify w cora what year her motor is.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on April 03, 2014, 02:17:27 PM
K thanks I'll call Robyn
Can you confirm years?
I lol have to verify w cora what year her motor is.

Have not been to NuWay in a while?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 03, 2014, 02:29:56 PM
Stopped in a few times over the last month or so but typically after normal business hours is Robin not there anymore?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on April 03, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
No, James is the man now.

Robin went to the new Victor Chevy. Offer she couldent refuse. Sad day......
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 03, 2014, 09:28:18 PM
Yeah robin went to victor Chevy as the new parts mgr..  Great move for her, but I do t think she's happy....

Meanwhile we just hired her daughter in accounting.... 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 04, 2014, 08:24:27 AM
Robyn will be missed.
James is the man IMO.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 05, 2014, 10:10:54 AM
Thanks for getting James the part #.
I can't see the mating surface in photos but these do mate to factory manifolds?
I'm not familiar with the stock design
The flanges that cora had were home built by the previous owner and we're warped and never sealed correctly.
Was planning to buy these and cut them up for the flanges and pipe ends.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 05, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
ill take some pics.. I should be all buttoned up with this shortly..
I am using the stock heat riser however...
the Y pipe will bolt directly to the factory manifolds regardless, just need to use the same gasket on each side vs the flange setup...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 08, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
batchlor (but still father of 2) for 2 nights...
might get some stuff done...  might not  :-\
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on April 08, 2014, 03:38:00 PM
no way!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 12, 2014, 08:57:58 AM
Running "TO DO" list

Engine:
Howell
Exhaust manifold plugs (copper washer)
Y pipe (gaskets & valve)
Cooling fan (fan clutch)
Paint dipstick bracket and touch up dipstick


Transmission / Tcase:
Slave Cyl.
Fork boot
Paint touch up
Inspection cover

Shifter installs
Driveshaft (order & front Y pipe alteration) (M4)
 
Body:
Radiator/condenser mock up in grill (1/8” plate)
Steel painting (grill, hood, fenders, hinges)
Floor support trimming for Tcase (flap wheels)
Windshield hinge drilling
Wiper linkage
Tailgate and hinges
Pedals (rebuild)
Column (adjustment for seats)

Column bracket (drill)
Tub liner (getting yanked around by custom truck.. still waiting for a date)
Firewall insulation
sand and polish

Seats: (Smike.. I will prob need help with this and cage install....)
Type (Corbeau and Mastercraft)
Mounting (stock mounts)
Sliders or not

Misc.
Wiring (painless?) purchased
Dash gauges (searching for NOS)

more to do:

EBrake pedal and cables
speedo cable
Windshield assembly
steering column assembly
"road prep"
AC unit bracket (M4)
Battery tray

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 14, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Some progress made while the wife was away and over the weekend..

Decided to take the body off, hopefully for the last time and start getting the frame and running gear in order.
Delays with the tub liner application was the primary reason for this, but will also give me some peace of mind that things can be crossed off the list for good.

New AA speedo adapter installed with correct gear and VSS for the Howell

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/a_zps2f199974.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/a_zps2f199974.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/b_zpseb0b90e5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/b_zpseb0b90e5.jpg.html)

T18 and Dana 300 Shifters installed
Filled with GL4 and ready to go..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/t_zpsa99f1868.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/t_zpsa99f1868.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/s_zps1f972fb5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/s_zps1f972fb5.jpg.html)

Exhaust all sealed up
Copper crush washers and bolts installed in manifold
Heat riser installed

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/exhaust/e_zpsa44aac64.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/exhaust/e_zpsa44aac64.jpg.html)

Started buttoning up the gas tank and skid
A bit flimsy compared to my YJ skids, but trying to keep a stock feel to the truck
Fuel pump and filter mounted with a little help from my wife’s old yoga mat.
Filler hose and vent line from MTS installed…

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Skid%20plates/gas%20tank%20skid/skid2_zpsff593b07.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Skid%20plates/gas%20tank%20skid/skid2_zpsff593b07.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Skid%20plates/gas%20tank%20skid/Skid_zps5a12826d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Skid%20plates/gas%20tank%20skid/Skid_zps5a12826d.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_20140412_145137_zpsea9fab6a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_20140412_145137_zpsea9fab6a.jpg.html)

Power steering lines run and new Borgeson lower joint installed..
Very tight fit on the steering gear, I guess I’ll appreciate it @70 mph..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/g_zps53dde9b2.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/g_zps53dde9b2.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/g1_zps166c6966.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/g1_zps166c6966.jpg.html)

Started to plan out a custom bracket for the under dash unit, I wasn’t too thrilled with the “universal” ones supplied by Jeep Air…
Condenser installed in grill with some custom brackets as well, perfect gaping between the condenser and radiator..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/C3_zps1891c92a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/C3_zps1891c92a.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/DOC040714_zpseebbf9c5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/DOC040714_zpseebbf9c5.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/C2_zps4331af7d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/C2_zps4331af7d.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/C1_zps61953f22.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/C1_zps61953f22.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/C_zps5af2a85b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/C_zps5af2a85b.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 14, 2014, 10:27:39 AM
Steering column being rebuilt..
stripped down the tube and coated in some grease to keep from rust scaling.
New lower and upper bearings installed, all NOS, amazing the quality difference in the upper bearing..
horn contact repaired, sleeved and wired.. soldering iron wasn’t getting as hot as it should so the blob happened.
plastic contact restored, re-drilled and riveted with a new wire terminal attached. 
Would have finished, but didn’t have a new horn button handy..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/1_zps444c0184.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/1_zps444c0184.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/2_zpsdd2f98a4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/2_zpsdd2f98a4.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/3_zpsc6b2c6fe.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/3_zpsc6b2c6fe.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/4_zps9bbf4c47.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/4_zps9bbf4c47.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/5_zps28119a2d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/5_zps28119a2d.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/6_zpsd82119fd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/6_zpsd82119fd.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/7_zps39577536.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/7_zps39577536.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/8_zps60ac5306.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/8_zps60ac5306.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/9_zps8d8e16cc.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/9_zps8d8e16cc.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/91_zpse0f525eb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/91_zpse0f525eb.jpg.html) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/92_zpsb4ef0cb7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/Coulmn/92_zpsb4ef0cb7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2014, 11:07:01 AM
The shifters and bracket look really nice. That's almost exactly how I want to redo mine on 571. Interlock pills are getting modified and leverage and throw are going to increase significantly.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 16, 2014, 01:26:55 PM
I might be ready for some M4 love..

cage/seat brackets...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 17, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
200 lbs of DOM dropped at the Dock...

warehouse kid thought it was exhaust and started shelving it.... :o
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on April 17, 2014, 10:30:39 AM
HD exhaust!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 28, 2014, 09:42:28 PM
Running "TO DO" list

Engine:
Howell
Exhaust manifold plugs (copper washer)
Y pipe (gaskets & valve)
Cooling fan (fan clutch)
Paint dipstick bracket and touch up dipstick


Transmission / Tcase:
Slave Cyl.
Fork boot
Paint touch up
Inspection cover

Shifter installs
Driveshaft (order & front Y pipe alteration) (M4)
 
Body:
Radiator/condenser mock up in grill (1/8” plate)
Steel painting (grill, hood, fenders, hinges)
Floor support trimming for Tcase (flap wheels)
Windshield hinge drilling
Wiper linkage
Tailgate and hinges
Pedals (rebuild)
Column (adjustment for seats)

Column bracket (drill)
Tub liner (getting yanked around by custom truck.. still waiting for a date)
Firewall insulation
sand and polish

Seats: (Smike.. I will prob need help with this and cage install....)
Type (Corbeau and Mastercraft)
Mounting (stock mounts)
Sliders or not

Misc.
Wiring (painless?) purchased
Dash gauges (searching for NOS)

more to do:

EBrake pedal and cables
speedo cable
Windshield assembly
steering column assembly
"road prep"
AC unit bracket (M4)

Battery tray

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 28, 2014, 11:05:39 PM
That list is getting really short!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 29, 2014, 09:07:07 AM
need to make it longer...   ::)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 01, 2014, 08:35:43 AM
loaded the body on the trailer last night to head over for some finishing...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/IMG_20140501_081106_zpsf258b2b5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/IMG_20140501_081106_zpsf258b2b5.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/IMG_20140501_081114_zps57d57ed4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/IMG_20140501_081114_zps57d57ed4.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/IMG_20140501_081130_zps5023fced.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/IMG_20140501_081130_zps5023fced.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 01, 2014, 08:55:08 AM
man you are brave with those little hooks and an aluminum tub

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 01, 2014, 09:13:46 AM
i dont think you realize how thick the metal is..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 01, 2014, 09:20:53 AM
i have seen you tow though!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 01, 2014, 09:51:54 AM
I’ve been ginger with this.... ::)

it’s not a well strapped down Jeep.... yet ....

I wanted to loop one strap through the door openings, but I couldn’t see where to cinch it to the back...

Ill prob bolt to trailer deck when its ready to bring home..

Since Brad’s had my trailer and did all the work it’s actually a pleasure to pull around..
New springs and shackles did a world of good.. but the lack of tongue weight and existence of major pot holes is making it bounce all over.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 01, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
heater box made it over mon or tuesday ok i assume?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 01, 2014, 03:34:52 PM
mystery box in my office earlier this week... thanks

waiting for powdercoat run....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 22, 2014, 02:59:12 PM
oh boy.. some big updates hopefully to come...
got some teaser shots and Im floored...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2014, 03:01:53 PM

should be home tuesday or wednesday with the goods...


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Body%20tease/2014052595122133_zpsc3e8db91.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Body%20tease/2014052595122133_zpsc3e8db91.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Body%20tease/2014052595160654_0_zps10b22687.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Body%20tease/2014052595160654_0_zps10b22687.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Nick on May 26, 2014, 03:43:02 PM
Did you have PAD wax that?  I used to hang out with James the owner
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2014, 04:04:50 PM
yes, James is a good guy..
he is doing all the finish work on the tub..

tinted bed liner and tub polish..
Custom truck jut can never get their ducks in a row when i need stuff done/finished in a timely manner and nobody else would do a  tinted bed liner like I wanted..

10 levels of abrasive, polish, and ceramic coating...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
Ceramic coating? Like jet-hot or similar? So that's not polished aluminum we're looking at, then. Interesting.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on May 26, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
Shiny!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2014, 08:31:22 PM
http://www.padautodetailing.com/ceramic-pro.php

It's polished aluminum..   was convinced to do this ceramic pro.. sounded interesting.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2014, 10:41:53 PM
Ah, one of those. Unbeatable for polished aluminum if it is as good as advertised!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 29, 2014, 08:51:32 AM
Body is home on the horses...

Time to get to work.. pleased with the results.. exterior is polished to mirror shine..
bed liner application went well, needs some touch up after all holes are drilled and car is actually driving under it own power..
I saved the ceramic coating for afterwards when the whole truck is assembled.. I wanted to get the same finish results on the steel pieces as well.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20140528_210832_zps34b638dd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20140528_210832_zps34b638dd.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20140528_210815_zps6ae06ea5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20140528_210815_zps6ae06ea5.jpg.html)


Short list for now:
Firewall insulation
Trans tunnel insulation
dynamat application?
mount tub!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 02, 2014, 09:55:04 AM
got very lucky...

72-75 CJ6 V8 Y Pipe...

don't have to use the 76-79 unit that kinda fit...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_20140602_095141_zpse5042886.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Exhaust%20Manifolds/IMG_20140602_095141_zpse5042886.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 16, 2014, 04:03:25 PM
Been some time since the last real update..
Work has been slow with the weather being nice and business picking up.
Media card with corrupted sectors lost me some pics, but here are some from along the way..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00447_zpsde7774fa.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00447_zpsde7774fa.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00449_zps9747a951.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00449_zps9747a951.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00450_zpsea73d300.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00450_zpsea73d300.jpg.html)

Got the Fuel and Brake system plumbed to the firewall, waiting for tub to complete install.
I’m not a big fan of rubber lines, so I ran NiCop lines along the frame.

Ebrake cables installed from Drum to equalizer

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00448_zps228df3b9.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00448_zps228df3b9.jpg.html)

New Driveshafts installed front and rear courtesy of Tom Woods…
Might be a little issue with the front shaft and the passenger side pipe..  its ok enough to get her running and ill figure out a custom exhaust if need be once its road worthy.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00450_zpsea73d300.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00450_zpsea73d300.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00452_zps7857681d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Rolling%20chassis/Frame%20assembly/i00452_zps7857681d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 16, 2014, 04:05:30 PM
Installed the dash to get a sense of where I will need to place new holes in Dash and Firewall for various components..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/i00531_zpsc8d93581.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/i00531_zpsc8d93581.jpg.html)

Decided to put speakers in the dash along with the head unit.. 
Mounted AC/Heat unit to get a better understand of placement and weight..
I will deff need to add a rear support if I don’t want it flopping around on uneven terrain.
Ordered a new switch pod from the 12 Volt guy for the ARBs – hole wont get cut before paint…  I will prob regret that later..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140615_150733_zpsbffce4af.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140615_150733_zpsbffce4af.jpg.html)

I lost the majority of the pictures of the firewall and transmission tunnel heat shielding..
I used heat shield products HP Sticky Shield..  Rated at 1100 deg direct heat and is very element resistant..
Taping up the loose seams with their “weld” tape took the majority of the time and $$$  amazing how small 36” is when your taping up irregularly cut seams…

A decent shot of the firewall with the heat shield before I mounted the body to the frame for the last time.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_20140615_135605_zps42f5437c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_20140615_135605_zps42f5437c.jpg.html)

Had to throw the grill and windshield frame on the truck to get a little tease of where I was going with this project…
I finally got some positive feedback from my wife…  funny how some people can’t envision an end result…

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_20140615_210428_zps3387a0c0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_20140615_210428_zps3387a0c0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 16, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
sweet!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 16, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
willy wonka chocolate factory with that sweet flat early windshield!


i think your pulling it off, looks great- 

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 16, 2014, 05:22:22 PM
having a bit of trouble with the windshield frame at this point actually..
new seal and aftermarket parts sometimes make for a tight fit...

ill be playing around with that today/tomorrow..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 16, 2014, 05:23:29 PM
ed's was screwed up too- doors / top / tub really hard to make everything work
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 16, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
aftermarket jeep body parts are made primarily by 1 manufacturer... and they suck..

this frame was from JeepGlass.com and supposedly was the "other" guys product so I decided to give it a whirl..
bear in mind, the hinges are original, frame - aftermarket, body - aftermarket, top and doors (if they ever go on - original), cowl seal - original and not perfect..... its going to be a hot mess..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 18, 2014, 09:04:37 AM
got brackets back from powder coat in less than 5 hrs....

waiting on dash from paint
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 18, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
how seriously do I need to get with lube on SS fasteners..
I've heard it both ways...
I just don't want to get anti seize or moly grease on fucken everything..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 18, 2014, 01:03:06 PM
something i learned when building boats- you cant go nuts with impact screw drivers or impacts with SS hardware.  slow by hand keeps the heat and gauling down
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 18, 2014, 01:21:28 PM
+1.

Just a little dab of grease or loctite will avoid galling when they're not going in at 200rpm
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 26, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
Drilled and cut the holes for the heater ductwork..
New defroster duct installed.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140621_135512_zpsc8bd2da5.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140621_135512_zpsc8bd2da5.jpg.html)

The Jeep Air system insists on insulation in the firewall area to help with the AC..
I took this a few steps further..  I used a combination of Dynamat asphalt paper and 1/2 closed cell Dynaliner padding..
When I restored the Land Rover I took sound proofing fairly seriously.. managed to get the decibels and heat more importantly to a manageable level.  The upper cowl area is a ripe place for vibration, started there and got a little carried away with the stuff...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140621_141305_zps370db597.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140621_141305_zps370db597.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140621_142305_zpsaa4ffeee.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140621_142305_zpsaa4ffeee.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_210127_zpsd3c5f058.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_210127_zpsd3c5f058.jpg.html)

Everything firewall mounted is now mounted through the insulation levels..  I was planning on using some aluminum tape to seal the edges like I did the firewall heat shielding, but I think I might go a different rout with a metal trim edge to make a clean transition between firewall and foot box.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_210138_zps9050f427.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_210138_zps9050f427.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_223954_zps61f92fd3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_223954_zps61f92fd3.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_224009_zpsb9f40aec.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20140625_224009_zpsb9f40aec.jpg.html)

Starting to come together...
used nylon washers on the dash bolts to protect the paint.. actually gave it a nice look..
Mounted the bulkhead connection low enough that it can be serviceable without removing the dash and wont be air bubble issues with coolant lines.
AA windshield latches working nicely.. still need to bring a door home to check angle of windshield frame.
Slight color variation between frame and dash.... dash pad should be a nice visual brake between the two.


Looking to get the column mounted tonight.. want to sit on a milk crate and pretend.. :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on June 26, 2014, 09:10:16 AM
Any gasket to be installed between the windshield frame and cowl?  If so, will the Rhinoliner thickness be an issue?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 26, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
already in there...
took some weight and pulling to get the new gasket in place.. some technique used when I replaced the on in my YJ....

the bedliner in the area is very, very thin... more of a color with texture than a thick layer of anything.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on June 26, 2014, 09:23:26 AM
Awesome!  Looking good.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 26, 2014, 11:11:45 AM
Really looking sharp, I can't wait for the next time I get to see it in person. That firewall treatment should really be a great improvement. If you wanted a little bit more you could always do some foil back on the engine side as well - skipping that little corner were the valve cover may occasionally touch for clearance reasons :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on June 26, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_20140615_135605_zps42f5437c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_20140615_135605_zps42f5437c.jpg.html)

He already did work on the firewall.  More needed?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 26, 2014, 11:24:51 AM
forgotten!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 26, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
I did the full firewall where engine heat would migrate...
rated at 1100* direct heat..
valve cover no longer an issue with stock profile units.. also set the body high enough I have room to run a fuel line :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 26, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
Fuel lines are useful


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 02, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
need to start tackling nitty gritty....

punch list:

Ebrake pedal mount/mock
Drill E brake cable hole
Speedo cable hole
Steering shaft (shock mount interference)
Fuse block mount and drill hole
Brake lines to prop valve
Brake MC Linkage pin
Fuel lines (hard to rubber/TBI)
Heater hose hookup motor to bulkhead fitting
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
i had to trim 1/2" off Eds TDK frame for steering shaft clearance
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 02, 2014, 01:33:13 PM
I figured I would have to do some trimming...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 06, 2014, 10:27:40 AM
Column and steering shaft mounted...
both upper and lower U joint turning nicely with no bind..
the Borgeson shaft is really a nice unit.. Steering feels tight and no play in wheel.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140703_154312_zps1b38cb4e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140703_154312_zps1b38cb4e.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140703_154320_zps7946b5f0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140703_154320_zps7946b5f0.jpg.html)

had to remove the inner side of the shock mount for good clearance..
cut the stud right behind the upper shock mount and removed the inner upright brace.
need to grind down rough cut edge and re coat with zinc.
no apparent issue at right height and slight suspension movement..
wont be able to test full frame flex just yet, but from pictures I have seen of others I should be good.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140703_154243_zpsefaaa3e7-1-1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Steering/IMG_20140703_154243_zpsefaaa3e7-1-1.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2014, 09:21:56 AM
Brake and Fuel lines plumbed and routed

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Fuse block and Howell Harness mounted and routed..
wiring to commence...  :o

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2014, 09:25:04 AM
need to start identifying systems and make punch lists as such...
too many loose ends can happen otherwise...

Want to fully button up cooling system this week..
-Shroud
-Rad hoses
-engine hoses to bulkhead

Need to test fit fenders before sending to paint
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 21, 2014, 09:33:26 AM
those are some sweet slinkys you have there
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2014, 09:35:43 AM
expansion and cooling.... plus extra line if ever needed..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 21, 2014, 09:59:48 AM
Im used to 2 turn slinkeys, I like it though :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2014, 01:43:26 PM
fenders installed at lunch...
need to get proper grill spacing for fan shroud and hoses...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: tony on July 22, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
Sick toy.  Eta?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 22, 2014, 02:06:22 PM
depends on how long the kids nap for
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 24, 2014, 10:45:04 AM
mounted the fan shroud last night,
needed some trimming due to the larger body mounts and its a really form fitting to the rad inlet and outlet..

Trimmed the lower portion bit where the fan was hitting..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Cooling/IMG_20140721_163135_zpsdf04276c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Cooling/IMG_20140721_163135_zpsdf04276c.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Cooling/IMG_20140724_090505_zps01417532.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Cooling/IMG_20140724_090505_zps01417532.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/Cooling/IMG_20140724_090521_zpsb18512a7.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/Cooling/IMG_20140724_090521_zpsb18512a7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 24, 2014, 11:40:39 AM
needs paint.. but starting to look like a Jeep...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20140724_090541_zps714caac1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20140724_090541_zps714caac1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 10:32:15 AM
That's a nice blue
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 25, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
AMC medium blue metallic...  love it and its my first blue vehicle ever.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
kinda like my scrambler blue without the metallic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 01, 2014, 09:07:53 AM
I made a heater hose last night....

lot accomplished..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: carchameleon on August 02, 2014, 11:45:25 PM
awesome, looks great
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 04, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
the cluster has started

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 05, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I thought you had a serpentine belt system?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 05, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
Was thinking about it..
Went with the. Vbelt for ease of repair/parts availability..

Nothing like being stuck somewhere when you have a "1 of" system and need to special order custom parts..

Everything on this truck can be repaired with off the shelf
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 05, 2014, 08:47:30 PM
That's why I stayed v belt also.
Looking good.


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 06, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
on a suggestion from my wife I actually looked at the instruction manual last night for the painless kit.... I now understand why they call it painless...  the instructions actually make sense and answer questions...

manhood slightly insulted, yet thankful for female intervention...

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jaysenodell on August 10, 2014, 12:02:48 PM
Arie, keep seeing this and think "arie needs this". (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/11/ty8usyga.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 19, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
Nothing in the way of major progress has gotten completed..
Summer weddings and sunshine has put a damper on spending some quality time wiring..
hard to get anything done in and hour when the first 20 min is spent figuring out where I left off..

planning on taking a day off of work in the near future to get the thing all routed and termed... I can then spend in between time making it look pretty..

Did get everything grounded and installed a ground block on the firewall for all the dash items.  that 10 ga wire coming off the neg battery term goes right to the dash block.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140816_140322_zpsf867870d.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140816_140322_zpsf867870d.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 02, 2014, 08:17:41 AM
Some final to do list....
primed the motor last night 60 psi
hooked up the battery and things came to life....


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140901_144614_zps8fe0ee07.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140901_144614_zps8fe0ee07.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 03, 2014, 03:15:40 PM
It's a good day then!
Looks like a short list.
Driving soon?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 04, 2014, 08:35:19 AM
It's the very short list...

Right now my goal is get the motor fired..
Want this puppy to make some noise... Saw the wipers work and I'm all anxious now.

Once I hear that 30 seconds of fun a more detailed, complete, longer list will appear.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on September 04, 2014, 12:32:16 PM
always a fun time making a thing move for the first time. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 04, 2014, 12:49:25 PM
You said it man.
Especially something you built.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 08, 2014, 11:46:24 AM
Short list turning into longer list as I'm buttoning things up.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140908_075408_zps7bc0caea.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140908_075408_zps7bc0caea.jpg.html)

Fabricated a mounting plate for the Howell CPU using a 87-90 YJ CPU mounting bracket.
welded some larger bolts in place of the studs, not going anywhere.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140907_203512_zpsb4332cba.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_20140907_203512_zpsb4332cba.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 10, 2014, 08:16:16 AM
thoughts on running wires through frame /  frame holes...?

I would like to tuck everything up and out of harms way..  is there a good reason why the factory didn't do it this way?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 10, 2014, 09:35:37 AM
Chafing is inevitable.
That and mud and dirt and salt sitting inside the frame?
If you can manage to get it in some wrap or small conduit? Then I'd do it.
Normal plastic wire loom isn't thick enough IMO.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 10, 2014, 09:40:39 AM
Chafing is inevitable.
That and mud and dirt and salt sitting inside the frame?
If you can manage to get it in some wrap or small conduit? Then I'd do it.
Normal plastic wire loom isn't thick enough IMO.


ok.. ill be clearer..   
its a CJ "C" channel frame
Frame "holes" will be protected with grommets
yes.. I was thinking some thicker wire protection would be needed.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on September 10, 2014, 09:45:47 AM
In that case you should be good. I haven't had chafing issues when I've used loom. For the use this will see and milage I'd expect, corrugated loom will probably outlast many other things.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 10, 2014, 10:02:41 AM
Grommets would be preferred.
Keep forgetting this won't be wheeled or raced.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 10, 2014, 10:07:09 AM
I was thinking some marine grade /  heat resistant stuff...

as far as the use.. yeah prob wont see salt and mud... But I do plan on this seeing some road miles and trails..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 15, 2014, 10:11:28 AM
Some freshly dipped parts...


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on September 15, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
big difference before/after!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 16, 2014, 10:09:35 AM
Have been working on buttoning up some of the smaller systems, but jumped the gun last night and hung a fender to get the dryer mounted..

Starting to look like a Jeep

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Body%20tease/IMG_20140915_204940_zpsac3d40a1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Body%20tease/IMG_20140915_204940_zpsac3d40a1.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 18, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
Stupid stumbling block update…. more like the PITA list:

. AMC V8 PCV valve issue...
basically what it boils down to is STD V164 and GV7 grommet..
had a hard time hunting down the correct stuff after lots of bad attempts
. PS pump and Pressure line issue
Later pump with earlier line = SAE vs. Metric
after crushing a couple of lines I actually took a look and the later Grand Wagoner pump used an O ring, pressure line is inverted flare..  found an adapter fitting.  Ohh and simple answer of switching to an earlier pump… no go, different pulley setup
. wiring... it’s a PITA!  I have problems with leaving things good enough and every time I think I’m ready to fire I find a reason not to..  cooler weather might make sitting in the garage more tolerable.  Already chasing some issues.
. D30 cover… even with zero miles and a lube locker gasket I’m leaking oil… go figure
. passenger fender is on.. so now I need a fender blanket or something, just my luck the kids will bang something into it.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on September 18, 2014, 12:34:22 PM
On the diff cover, bolts are even and not overtorqued? Just have some schmutz in there since those should be really forgiving in general.

If you hadn't found a PS pressure hose I was going to suggest Parker Hannifin to make one. Scout box swap in the Dakota req'd a visit therr


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on September 18, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
buy whatever two lines you want and swedgelock them together- what is on my ZJ right now haha


diff cover- lube locker gaskets suck i have bead that to death
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 18, 2014, 01:50:04 PM
I want to have off the shelf parts availability..  I found an adapter fitting that im going to try this weekend..

Lube Lockers have always worked for me...
I actually used it due to the fact I had a leak already with RTV..

ill prob check torque and see if it still leaks..  if it stops it will be good enough till running
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 19, 2014, 09:08:59 AM
and soon after stumbling block comes the first issue...

been having an issue with the electrical system.
much of the harness and dash is hooked up more or less.  I was testing circuits by toggling switches etc as usual.
Wiper switch was not working, took power wire off to check and no juice.
turned ignition switch off then on again, still no juice
repeated and now no ignition (Howell FP etc)

pulled maxi fuse and cursed and screamed..
came back to it after a beverage, put max fuse in and had ignition, but still no wiper power.

cycle continued again before I called it a night.

absolutely going to call painless today, but has anybody run into something like this?
could it be miss wiring or a faulty electrical product?  Harness bad?
My grounds are solid.. I have been paying very close attention to them.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on September 21, 2014, 09:21:28 PM
Any relays or breakers between?


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 24, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
Little update on my electrical issue  and web wheeling trail damage…

Electrical gremlins ended up being some poor spade connectors on the ignition switch..
I have to say the painless harness is very easy to troubleshoot even for an electrical dolt like me.
Ignition switch acts as a distribution for Acc. and dash power… wasn’t getting a good connection from the main power supply.

Web wheeling trail damage is being defined as:
The act of redoing what one already did due to better or worse information found on the internet, most likely provided by people who haven’t actually done the modification or repair.

Ended up swapping out my PS pump for another unit.  O ring vs. Flare pressure line fitting was getting to me..
Then of course there are the different pulley setups to contend with.  Ended up using a Wagoneer pump and pulley, CJ pressure line and an adapter fitting.  Made some mounting studs instead of bolts and should be all good.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 12, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
I have a runner... ;D

moved in and out of garage under own power...

Motor issues..
pressure relief valve leak (needs copper washer)
driver side valve cover not sealed well..  oil leak (this will be a PITA..)
Power steering pump pulley not 100% parallel with crank pulley.. needs to be shimmed..

Pictures and updates later today
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on October 12, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
Awesome!!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 16, 2014, 03:05:16 PM
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Video/th_VID_20141015_212726_zps4rclpoll.mp4) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Video/VID_20141015_212726_zps4rclpoll.mp4)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: carchameleon on October 18, 2014, 12:40:27 PM
awesome
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 20, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Time for a real update...
Still tackling some of the more PITA wiring chores..  trying to button up the dash so I can perm mount the Heat/AC unit.

Working on the turn signal switch and other dash wire chores. 
gauge cluster is kinda working, need to spend some time in there with a test light.
Still need to cut another hole in the dash for the aux switch pod... just want to get the wires I have in there already termed and functioning.

Got the air handler all mocked up.
AC lines shouldn't be an issue.. it will be tight under there, but manageable.
Going to need to replace the bulk coolant lines with some 90 deg elbows to allow for best coolant flow.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_162322_zps42023019.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_162322_zps42023019.jpg.html)
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(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_144124_zps5d0d09a9.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_144124_zps5d0d09a9.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_144109_zps5381d5f4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_144109_zps5381d5f4.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_142340_zps3fa5587e.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_142340_zps3fa5587e.jpg.html)


Both fenders on and perm mounted...
starting to load up the interior with crap...  It was a small celebration when both the coolant and washer fluid fell snuggly into place.  I think I am going to add some weather pack connectors in the main harness if the fender or grill ever needs to come off..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_204027_zps4c2a273f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AC/IMG_20141012_204027_zps4c2a273f.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20141012_214102_zps83245bc6.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20141012_214102_zps83245bc6.jpg.html)

Rear of the Jeep came out nice..
just need to drill holes for the tailgate and fabricate a way to latch it. (Factory tub had chain tabs.. not present on Aqualu)
threw the trans into reverse and to my surprise the single diode backup light switched on.  I think I'm going to use these on the YJ so I can finally be street legal after all these years.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20141012_214135_zpscea9057c.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Tub%20Assembly/IMG_20141012_214135_zpscea9057c.jpg.html)

Motor is purring and after swapping out the driver side valve cover gasket and a new copper washer in the oil filter housing i'm running leak free, for now....
Still haven't ran it for more than a few min.. given that I don't have a full exhaust system on the truck.
Need to get a good period where I'm home alone for a half hour to break this sucker in.

A short little video of it running... with good PC speakers you can hear the grunt!

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Video/th_VID_20141015_212726_zps4rclpoll.mp4) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Video/VID_20141015_212726_zps4rclpoll.mp4)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on October 20, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
It's the home stretch! Details take the longest for sure but that's close enough for some real motivation, looks great
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on October 20, 2014, 12:22:45 PM
ed, has those same windshield hold down knobs brackets.  they dont hold the windsheild straight for shit.  soft top pulls it back too far, doors dont fit, back window is flopping.  boo
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 20, 2014, 01:05:53 PM
 I can adjust the rake very easily..
shouldn't be difficult to adjust..
I mocked up my fiberglass doors and they both fit snug..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on October 20, 2014, 03:16:58 PM
does your dash have the grip teeth brackets like OE does?  i think he is missing parts, next time can you take a pic of that assembly.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 20, 2014, 03:23:37 PM
yes..
will take tonight
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 21, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
New to do list...  subject to edit.

Clean interior of tub/work space

Engine / compartment:
Wire loom, fit and finish
ARB compressor, mount and wire
Spark plug wire organize
complete exhaust

Body:
Body mount bolts, torque
Washer nozzle
mount air exchanger
Coolant and AC lines.
defroster ducting

Suspension
Torque suspension hardware

Electrical:
Dash wire, complete
Radio/Speakers, install & wire
Aux switch pod, install and wire
Turn signal switch
Hazard switch

Misc fab / M4
E Brake cable bracket…
Cage and seat mock up

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 27, 2014, 08:27:06 AM
some light work done this weekend...
Speakers, head unit, and switch pod installed.
no wiring tackled.. need to shift focus to that if this is ever getting done.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20141026_211824_zps4ca318bb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20141026_211824_zps4ca318bb.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 28, 2014, 11:19:54 AM
I think we found the blinker issue....


 trying @ lunch today.. cross fingers
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on October 28, 2014, 01:08:24 PM
I think we found the blinker issue....

Don't forget to use this: http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=22
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 28, 2014, 01:54:21 PM
I think the issue is more like a lack of knowledge about blinker circuits and circuits in general..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 03, 2014, 07:55:30 AM
Slight change of plans in the dash area...
I have decided to ditch the OEM style gauges in favor of an aftermarket mechanical water and oil pressure gauge.
After removing the Crown gauges all electrical issues seem to go away.. 
Either I had a crossed wire or something was just goofy..  Fewer wires back there and engine vitals will be accurate.  Originality will have to be compromised..

Lights are working!!!
Turn signal functioning properly, brake light and reverse.
Headlight and High Beams looking good... no goofiness anymore since double filament bulb was wired correctly.
I even got the green light in the Sparton and the correct directional arrow to illuminate. :)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Wiring/lighting/IMG_20141102_211529_zps19a2ac0f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Wiring/lighting/IMG_20141102_211529_zps19a2ac0f.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20141102_134324_zps3b9b7295.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20141102_134324_zps3b9b7295.jpg.html)

Really like these taillight.. They are LED Brake/Turn/Parking/and BACKUP..  Single diode light is in the red diode matrix.
Really lights up the garage at least..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Wiring/lighting/IMG_20141102_211545_zps0c4812f2.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Wiring/lighting/IMG_20141102_211545_zps0c4812f2.jpg.html)

My Land Rover lessons are shining through everywhere on this Jeep..
Riveter was broken out for the aux switch panel. 

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20141102_134548_zpsfff5e699.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_20141102_134548_zpsfff5e699.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 03, 2014, 12:12:15 PM
Originality is getting compromised?
You feeling ok?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 03, 2014, 12:15:45 PM
those speakers lol
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on November 04, 2014, 11:41:51 AM
if you happened to want another 6 to go along with this one..
1964 Willys Jeep CJ-6 Original Survivor 5,000 Miles! - $9500 (Red Lion,Pa)
http://york.craigslist.org/cto/4725852867.html
(http://images.craigslist.org/00L0L_ifc7dXReUg6_600x450.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 04, 2014, 12:33:30 PM
some more originality came in the mail today  :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 10, 2014, 10:22:46 AM
exhaust all finished up...
parts of it aren't the straightest shot, and its not the largest diameter pipe, 2.25", but its bigger than factory and nice and neat.  Shouldn't be that restrictive :)

The system takes a sharp turn up after the stock Y pipe.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144928_zps3849e6b6.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144928_zps3849e6b6.jpg.html)

Flowmaster tucked high up out of the way..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144857_zps3e3dfa6b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144857_zps3e3dfa6b.jpg.html)

View from the side frame rail.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144850_zps14138682.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144850_zps14138682.jpg.html)


Hugs the rear tank clearing the bump stop mount

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144917_zps4e0cdaae.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144917_zps4e0cdaae.jpg.html)

Exits the rear flush with the rear cross member.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144910_zpsabda0e46.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/AMC%20360/exhaust/IMG_20141105_144910_zpsabda0e46.jpg.html)





Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 11, 2014, 09:34:11 AM
Assembly required skid...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141111_090259_zps8f0d0b61.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141111_090259_zps8f0d0b61.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 13, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
can you wrap the paint in bubble wrap for me  :-\
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 13, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
yup
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 13, 2014, 11:15:26 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 14, 2014, 09:07:32 AM
this thing is pretty cool!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 17, 2014, 03:07:06 PM
this thing will be cooler.. just let me know when
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 17, 2014, 03:14:09 PM
ha, i was just looking at the calendar

lets shoot for a clear day early next week.  Ill have All friday / saturday after holiday to start on it. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 17, 2014, 03:28:50 PM
that's cool..
I can maybe even bring it over the weekend if the weather is dry...

Ill come by, buy dinner, etc...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 24, 2014, 09:44:10 AM
Smike.. will tomorrow or Wednesday work to bring it over?  looks clean and dry
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 24, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
ya lets do tomorrow
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 24, 2014, 10:19:03 AM
something I can do during the day just to get it over there...?
Kids have soccer at 445 for about an hour..  I'm sure I can get out there earlier if you can stash a key..
I can probably run over after kids go down.. ~730ish
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 24, 2014, 11:24:41 AM
im open calendar tomorrow and can be pretty flexible meet up.  would like to discuss again.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 24, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
ok cool..
snows, oil and alignment tomorrow AM..
then flexible as well...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 25, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
lmk what time is good.. I have my car.. no snows today
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 25, 2014, 09:04:45 AM
im free after 11
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 25, 2014, 11:05:27 AM
leaving for Carter in 10...
have 2 things to do up there then down to M4..
will text on way..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 25, 2014, 11:20:16 AM
cool
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 25, 2014, 11:49:23 AM
On way from crtr
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 25, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
Sliders ordered...
still looking into restraints.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 26, 2014, 01:48:55 PM
try to get those dimensions for Thursday night.  plan to start Friday and get cage tacked up.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 26, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
will be loading and posting a compellation of measurements and pictures. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 26, 2014, 04:02:54 PM
ok....
I asked on ECJ5 for a soft top measurement since I don't have access...

Quote from: timgr;1178677
Grabbing my tape ... the bottom of the center of the bow is 45" to the flat part of the floor between the ribs.

Looks like the 46" I measured from the load floor to the bottom of the roof pans out..
when I measured from the bottom of the driver footwell to the top of the windshield frame I got 46" as well..
as you can see the top actually goes up higher than the windshield frame, but the soft tops would start just a hear over the 46"

Ill be in the office Friday and can measure anything since I have the CJ6 across the street here.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/IMG_20141125_153840_zpseb3fe4eb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/IMG_20141125_153840_zpseb3fe4eb.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 27, 2014, 10:25:30 AM
ok need advice as to what kind of restraints..
I am running Mastercraft seats.. same as in the YJ...

Should I go full 5 point harness?  if so how is it dealing on the street?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on November 27, 2014, 10:31:54 AM
Could do both but messy.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on November 27, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
If it matters to you, I've heard rumors that 5 point harnesses do not qualify as seat belts in some states. Seems ludicrous but worth a check if you care. I wouldn't.

For daily use I'd go cam lock style instead of latch n link. Friendlier and less apt to pinch clothing. More like a factory belt experience.

If it's going to get wheeled, or you want the impression of a true offroad rig, I'd suggest 5 points. With a camlock, 2" shoulder straps, and "pull up" adjustment on the lap belts I don't think you're giving up much.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jaysenodell on November 27, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
If it matters to you, I've heard rumors that 5 point harnesses do not qualify as seat belts in some states. Seems ludicrous but worth a check if you care. I wouldn't.
I think NY is one of those states.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 27, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
issue with them is DOT regulated as they are NOT OEM..
in case of an accident lawyers will absolutely go after everything that isn't iron clad..  no matter what state you are in.
think a GM recall is messy??... imagine getting hit in your ride with 5 points, passengers or yourself getting injured and the other party would not be liable since the belts weren't OEM installed..

having said that... I would trust my safety in a 5 point with a cage on and off road..
just didn't know the viability of them for adjusting radio, coffee, kids, etc....

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 27, 2014, 03:16:57 PM
They Will definitely limit your reach when they are adjusted tight enough to actually work correctly.

I put a set of corbeu in a CJ restoration I did a few years ago. It was a hybrid design.
Double shoulder harness design that latched similar to regular lap belt.
Better than OEM IMO.  But somewhat annoying to get in and out.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on November 27, 2014, 04:24:43 PM
Can't beat an OEM retractor setup for radio and coffee needs. A 5pt that's tight enough to do its job really really keeps you put


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on November 27, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Could do both but messy.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 28, 2014, 10:32:55 AM
need that measurement from the side rail to the middle hoop and the rear hoop also like we talked
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on November 28, 2014, 10:41:33 AM
The 4.3 work well, Had them in the Profender buggy for the Kids, and I think Gif has them in his buggy.

http://prpseats.com/product/4-2-harness/
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 28, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
no roll bar in the truck....

from rail to rain gutter on hard top is 28"

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/IMG_20141126_132211_zps16f6631f.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/IMG_20141126_132211_zps16f6631f.jpg.html)

measured from here... right by door opening

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/IMG_20141126_132202_zpsde4a0658.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/IMG_20141126_132202_zpsde4a0658.jpg.html)


total height of roof from side rail is 32"

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/IMG_20141125_154037_zpscaa3baa8.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/IMG_20141125_154037_zpscaa3baa8.jpg.html)

from rear of load floor to opening of rear door is 40.5

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/IMG_20141126_132042_zps515022cb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/IMG_20141126_132042_zps515022cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 28, 2014, 10:01:10 PM
new rear cross member grafted in.  took a little longer than i though- but did it the right way and happy with it.  8 bolts, body mounts, and gas skid bolts, it will be removed for galv dip easy. 

3/8" plate ties in the dring mounts and cross member to frame. 

un packed the cage and started eyeing up a plan
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 29, 2014, 07:56:24 AM
looks awesome
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 29, 2014, 11:16:39 AM
i assume the HT is flat like this one?  and doesnt have a bow up at drivers head?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 30, 2014, 12:18:28 AM
Yes, very similar if not exact.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2014, 06:10:59 PM
ready for seat sliders
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 30, 2014, 08:45:06 PM
oh wow... sliders should be in.. ill see tomorrow from the office

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2014, 09:23:59 PM
makes me want....

http://rc4x4.org/rcforum/index.php/topic,22663.0.html 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 30, 2014, 09:52:18 PM
I got a green one I won't be needing......
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2014, 10:05:53 PM
still miss my V8 CJ8 on 42's

that was a good winter of wheelin 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 01, 2014, 07:15:39 AM
Lol. Yup
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 01, 2014, 11:46:10 AM
there are 4 other tubes that came with the cage kit i think two shorter and two longer,

what were those for lol?  the pre notches are at an angle so nut sure.  i have plenty of new tube for seat mounts


any progress on sliders?  should send the other seat over too, and ill have to sit in it to test fit when we get to that point. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 01, 2014, 11:55:43 AM
im avail this week also...

Other tubes I believe are for diag braces for the top...
but I was also going to ask about triangulation...  if there are any other bars you would suggest throwing in there..
something between clean and functional to "wow that a cool looking cage
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 01, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
best would be an x behind the front seats, and some roof bars, a dash bar.


whats the website again from the kit?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 01, 2014, 12:13:39 PM
nm found it
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 01, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
I figured some blue painters tape and a beer or 2....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 01, 2014, 10:54:33 PM
cage full welded

can do a roof x but not much ideas for side bars
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 02, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
waiting on sliders... freaking parts vendors
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 02, 2014, 08:36:46 AM
cant get a good answer from mastercraft yet as to the status of my order...  would these work?

http://www.amazon.com/Bestop-51255-01-Single-Slider-Wrangler/dp/B0002SA244/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1417527243&sr=8-6&keywords=seat+sliders

http://www.amazon.com/Rugged-Ridge-13201-03-Replacement-Slider/dp/B000FPYCOK/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1417527243&sr=8-13&keywords=seat+sliders

im just done with lever BS.. I need the towel bar.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 02, 2014, 09:07:23 AM
didnt look at mounting provisions on your seats, not sure whats there.

do you plan to be able to access the storage compartment under the passenger seat?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 02, 2014, 09:17:04 AM
I have the same seats in the YJ and they mounted directly to the stock YJ riser..
sorry should have mentioned that as to why I looked into the Jeep ones..
only reason I didn't use the slider is the seat was perfect and I needed the extra 1" for my fat thighs..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 02, 2014, 09:32:17 AM
ordered the bestop ones for tomorrow..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 03, 2014, 01:15:24 PM
bestop sliders on my desk.. passenger seat in my car..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 03, 2014, 01:20:31 PM
wana stop over tonight to check out and bring other seat or?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 03, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
have to see if there are dinner plans...  that would be the only tie up..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 03, 2014, 01:37:53 PM
ok  if not ill be pulling RCVs to send out for rebuild
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 03, 2014, 01:39:36 PM
ill find out shortly..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 03, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
change o plans.  i have a trailer to deliver to mt.morris  i wont be back till after 8pm
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 03, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
ok no problem...
ill have stuff in my car...  might be up for a drive later to the shop
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 03, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
late is fine, ill be there
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 03, 2014, 04:17:53 PM
if the kids go down without a fight and wife is content watching desperate housewives were in business....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 03, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
LOL
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 03, 2014, 10:36:51 PM
successful night run

ran the roof x tonight
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 04, 2014, 09:38:05 AM
I was allowed out of the house...
but not allowed to return without 5 guys for dinner...

double win!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: tony on December 04, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
Hahaha married life
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 04, 2014, 05:22:52 PM
Mmm 5 guys
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 06, 2014, 01:22:05 AM
cage X run
porto ram'd squared up
all cage plate holes drilled
seat bars run
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 06, 2014, 12:32:23 PM
looks sweet....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 06, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
I should be around this weekend if you need my fat ass for measurements..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 06, 2014, 07:31:46 PM
seats and sliders in
ebrake bracket made


good to go
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: tony on December 07, 2014, 07:31:07 PM
Arie.. You gonna wheel this thing.. Or grab groceries.. Sweet build
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 07, 2014, 08:23:42 PM
I see a few thousand of pavement before it gets banged up...

And I'm not cool enough for that to mean a maiden voyage to CO for a week of wheeling..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 08, 2014, 07:30:11 AM
That needs to be unveiled at Easter Jeep! ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 08, 2014, 08:31:51 AM
thing sounds pretty mean




if you can drown out the power steering whine     :o
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 08, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
back in my garage..

Rover staring the CJ down....

Wife Im sure explode later... made sure it was done during her spa appointment.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 08, 2014, 03:39:41 PM
head room gona work or are we gona be pulling sliders / changing seats you think?

(one of the other reasons why i didnt full weld)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 08, 2014, 09:23:11 PM
I have to spend some time with it....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 08, 2014, 11:16:02 PM
id feel comfortable with another 1" or so for me.  maybe its good.  at the very least throw some padding on it. 

short of pulling sliders to get back 1.5" not sure besides different seats like we did with eds.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 09, 2014, 07:46:12 AM
I think I might have found an extra inch....

Have more time to spend on it when LR get the hell out of my way...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 09, 2014, 09:28:51 AM
was up at the warehouse this AM and noticed the seast in my YJ...
I think with a decent rake instead of being flat mounted on floor, Might be able to grab another inch or so..
Im also going to grab one of the fiberglass doors I have to mark on the tub where the door jam/top begins..
My YJ doesn't have sliders, but it has a wider door opening..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141209_084932_zps92aba61a.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141209_084932_zps92aba61a.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141209_084952_zpsfd7a9644.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141209_084952_zpsfd7a9644.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141208_205526_zpsb05172f0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Tub/Cage/IMG_20141208_205526_zpsb05172f0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on December 09, 2014, 09:32:12 AM
rake isnt going to help unless the floor goes away in the back
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on December 12, 2014, 07:40:09 AM
just for reference later...

Quote from: jeepermc;1181963
Approximately 44.25 from floor to top of b pillar. 1.25 from top of tube to the lowest point on the top

(http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae92/mitchellc22/6cage6_zpsd52efd42.jpg) (http://s961.photobucket.com/user/mitchellc22/media/6cage6_zpsd52efd42.jpg.html)

(http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae92/mitchellc22/6cage7_zps8222748a.jpg) (http://s961.photobucket.com/user/mitchellc22/media/6cage7_zps8222748a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 06, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
(http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae92/mitchellc22/IMG_20140711_133606_zps804e9ed3.jpg) (http://s961.photobucket.com/user/mitchellc22/media/IMG_20140711_133606_zps804e9ed3.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 12, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
dusted this off last night....

need to refocus efforts and get another to do list going...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 21, 2015, 03:55:06 PM
Back in the limelight...

started tearing into the "issues"

Brakes
Power Steering
Radiator
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 22, 2015, 09:55:45 AM
What did you end up going with for distributor and coil choice?
I fried our coil again (left ignition on too long) we are on coil #3.
This time it died 20 minutes out into the desert.
current set up is a Mallory Optical Distributor and Accell Super coil.

New plan is to swap in a DUI distributor/ coil.
$299.00 50 K volts eliminates the ballast resistor also.
I assume it's a standard GM one wire setup?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2015, 12:49:33 PM
What did you end up going with for distributor and coil choice?
I fried our coil again (left ignition on too long) we are on coil #3.
This time it died 20 minutes out into the desert.
current set up is a Mallory Optical Distributor and Accell Super coil.

New plan is to swap in a DUI distributor/ coil.
$299.00 50 K volts eliminates the ballast resistor also.
I assume it's a standard GM one wire setup?

you're overthinking it...
STOCK ignition system is the best thing for these motors..
duraspark ignition might have been the best thing to come from ford since the model T...
DO NOT GO DUI...  they were never meant to be in these motors..

What "year" ignition system are you running?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 22, 2015, 06:14:16 PM
I've read the exact opposite opinion for ignition systems on the amc 360.
I don't know what year system we are running. Not sure of the difderences.
DUI set up seems much simpler, less wires and more readily available! This motor didn't come to us with a stock ignition.  So i have nothing to compare it to. Just looking for more reliability and simplicity.  Power increase is second on the list.

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2015, 07:10:37 PM
A GM HEI was never meant to run in an AMC motor..
the distributor drive gears are welded or pressed on to the GM shaft.. weakness..
DUI's are well known for being weak in the area... 
AMC V8 motors are known for eating cam/distrib gears if not properly broken in / or matched..
on a stock motor the Duraspark and TFI (wide cap) distributor are more then enough juice to keep things spinning..

K.I.S.S
I mocked a 1988 Grand Wagoneer ignition..  essentially the same on the YJ.. so I knew what I was doing..
(distrib, coil, ignition mod)
Cap and rotor from 77-87 ish ford V8 (larger cap)
wires and plugs and DONE.  off the shelf reliability
want me to get you a parts list.. I have in the office..

from my bookmarked notes:

"There's probably as much or more hype over coils than most any part of the ignition in the aftermarket. If it takes 30k volts to fire a spark across the plug gap, it doesn't matter if it's a 40k volt, 35k volt or 50k volt coil...it will put out 30k volts. The problem with voltage is if the plug gap is too big and it requires more volts to cross it, then a higher volt coil can do the job where a less coil capable can't. In a well tuned engine a super high voltage coil isn't needed as much as a coil with a fast saturation time."
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2015, 07:13:15 PM
DUI set up seems much simpler, less wires and more readily available!

if you burn a DUI unit @ Rauch where you going to get a new one???  its about 2 hrs to Quadratec..
Burn a ford distributor and your good at most parts/chain stores
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2015, 07:22:28 PM
more ls less AMC      :-X
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 22, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
Smike???
Aka swap in a GM motor?
In rehards to parts more readilly available... here is a Quote from performance ignition website...
"GM High Energy Ignition (H.E.I.) parts such as a coil, module, cap or rotor will fit right on the D.U.I. These parts can be found at any local auto parts store. "

I'm not debating.
Just looking for the most reliable system. I'm having a hard time grasping the concept of old 1977 ignition technology being better than modern HEI.

I can definetly notice the difference between the 50 K coil we fried and the replacement 40 K unit that's in it now. Gap on new champion plugs is .40

Adding an ignition module doesn't sound simpler to me. Sounds like I'm adding another part to the equation that we currently don't have / need.

I appreciate all the advice please keep it coming.




Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 22, 2015, 09:24:35 PM
I did notice on Performance Ignition website info about proper distributor break in procedure? For the AMC motors ??? I've never heard of such a thing.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2015, 10:21:06 PM
Smike???
Aka swap in a GM motor?
In rehards to parts more readilly available... here is a Quote from performance ignition website...
"GM High Energy Ignition (H.E.I.) parts such as a coil, module, cap or rotor will fit right on the D.U.I. These parts can be found at any local auto parts store. "

Sure, cap rotor, etc...  But what if you need a distrib? Not all HEI cam gears can be just swapped.

I'm not debating.
Just looking for the most reliable system. I'm having a hard time grasping the concept of old 1977 ignition technology being better than modern HEI.

If dura spark is 77 then it's newer than the 74 HEI.....
It's a pre OBD 2 motor.. Don't over complicate... Nothing about this is modern..
Everything modern is a retrofit... i.e. Not intended to use with..

I can definetly notice the difference between the 50 K coil we fried and the replacement 40 K unit that's in it now. Gap on new champion plugs is .40

Adding an ignition module doesn't sound simpler to me. Sounds like I'm adding another part to the equation that we currently don't have / need

But it's not a retrofit..  The homework has been done.  Diagram and go..

I appreciate all the advice please keep it coming.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 23, 2015, 09:43:20 AM
Well thanks for the advice.
I really appreciate it.
Do it have a parts list from your motor? I'd like to compare.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 23, 2015, 10:23:23 AM
This is everything...

Distributor
30-4891 Reman
80-4891 New

Coil
FD476, Better quality Standard.. if you must use a HP coil, accel or flamethrower.. just get canister type.. (store in Land rover thread)

Cap, Adapter, rotor
FD168
FD156
FD177

Ignition control mod.. 
LX235

All the plugs and connectors are available at parts stores..
just for a visual I posted links..

Here is your coil horseshoe

(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/products/103/images/200/5733x1__35848.1405414580.1000.1000.jpg?c=2)

Here is your distrib plug

(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/products/101/images/198/5745x1__93309.1405418215.1000.1000.jpg?c=2])

Weather Pack Connectors for ignition control mod.
you only need male or female.. just forgot..

(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/products/534/images/833/wpa4sx1__62229.1405416740.1000.1000.jpg?c=2)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 23, 2015, 07:49:27 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 26, 2015, 08:41:16 AM
Smike..
can I book some shop time when I'm away..
March 20th ish drop...

Roll Cage and rear tire carrier.. possibly front bumper modifications..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2015, 08:51:09 AM
Finally got propane yesterday!  Have 3-4 customer projects in line, but now i have storage so should be able to work something out. 

I dont have a 2" die yet, so will need to figure out what you want size you want to do your head bang bars out of
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 27, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
No luck in finding a 2" die, event to modify to work with my bender.


I am going to look and see if i can chuck up the 1 5/8" die i have and make it a 2".  I have never used it. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 27, 2015, 12:28:46 PM
We were planning to buy a 2" die for our bender after moab.
Might be time to upgrade mike.
You bend alot more tube than I do.

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 27, 2015, 12:40:13 PM
With the amount of tube you bend I can't believe you haven't upgraded yet!
Would you stay with a vertical bender?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 27, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
your bender erik is a pain in the ass and is way too slow for me, and takes up floor space.   :o



I have no complaints of my bender other than i cant do 180 hoops.... which i have needed to do like 4 times in the last 6 years
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 27, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
Did you call and ask them?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Ryan on February 27, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
http://toolsplususa.com/shop/tube-benders/332-ez90-tube-bender.html

Awesome pics in the ad.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 27, 2015, 04:10:24 PM
I'll buy the die if you give me a point and click
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 27, 2015, 04:17:48 PM
hmm thats interesting i bent 120wall with it all day long when it says 105 max
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 01, 2015, 07:56:12 AM
Anybody have one of these I can borrow....

Ready to freak out on my brakes....


(http://www.brotherstrucks.com/images/PVBT087.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 09, 2015, 10:42:20 AM
a defective wheel cyl will make bleeding brakes impossible...  :-\
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 09, 2015, 12:57:58 PM
That will do it!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 16, 2015, 06:44:18 PM
This is everything...

Distributor
30-4891 Reman
80-4891 New

Coil
FD476, Better quality Standard.. if you must use a HP coil, accel or flamethrower.. just get canister type.. (store in Land rover thread)

Cap, Adapter, rotor
FD168
FD156
FD177

Ignition control mod.. 
LX235

All the plugs and connectors are available at parts stores..
just for a visual I posted links..

Here is your coil horseshoe

(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/products/103/images/200/5733x1__35848.1405414580.1000.1000.jpg?c=2)

Here is your distrib plug

(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/products/101/images/198/5745x1__93309.1405418215.1000.1000.jpg?c=2])

Weather Pack Connectors for ignition control mod.
you only need male or female.. just forgot..

(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/products/534/images/833/wpa4sx1__62229.1405416740.1000.1000.jpg?c=2)
FD177 is a smaller diameter cap.
I'll email James tomorrow about the rotor#  if your still traveling.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 20, 2015, 11:13:44 AM
Need to get some mental organization...
Jeeps almost to the point where its streetable...
ran into some issues with brakes/cooling.. easy adjustments, just time consuming.

Running list..

Mechanical
             MC pushrod final adjustments needed
             Move Howell sensor, mechanical temp gauge
             New Coolant line to bulkhead
             Under dash heater unit
             AC lines
             Prop rod paint
             Hood catch, drill out and galvy
             paint
             Drill and mount latches
             Tweak above drier/passenger
             Seats mounted             
             Harness mounts
             Mount compressor
             plumb air lines

Wiring
              Hazard Switch
              Gauge
                     -Cluster
                     -Mechanical temp/oil
              weather pack connector
              switch pod
              compressor
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 20, 2015, 04:00:36 PM
That's not tooooo bad of a list.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2015, 10:38:51 AM
looking for some ideas....

the way my cage and seats will probably end up mounting I will loose easy access to my under seat toolbox.

At first I was thinking the ARB compressor.. The thought of heat buildup, even without the lid came up.. 
Its also welded very well.. if I ever submerged it would easily fill with water..

Here is a picture the way it sits now...

any ideas on how to use this otherwise wasted space?

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0103_zpsgcqmmeke.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0103_zpsgcqmmeke.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 02, 2015, 10:46:54 AM
I wouldn't think you'd want a noisy compressor right under you...

You'll probably want to put a drain hole in it anyway, though.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 02, 2015, 10:54:54 AM
who put those stupid seat mounts there?!?

fill it with money
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
thought of a piggy bank did cross my mind, but the coins would make more noise than the compressor ever would..
Im not running an air tank, jut the comp hooked to the 2 lockers...

Drain hole and remote filter maybe ?!?!?!
found this image on the testing of my compressor..

I should be able to treat it like an electric fan.... killing the power if I drown...

(http://www.stu-offroad.com/temp/new-arb.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 02, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
If you are going to put it there, use the extra space for a small air tank?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 07, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
Got the heater unit mounted..
AC and Coolant lines plumbed to bulkhead
need to wire AC/Heat on a separate circuit, thus another custom harness..
for a "painless" system I have been doing a lot of additional harnesses....

Head some issues with the speedo cluster.. should have those remedied shortly..  Issue with self grounding cluster lamps and too much aftermarket plastic...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/018_zpsqigkbxz1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/018_zpsqigkbxz1.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/019_zpsn5jcpzjf.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/019_zpsn5jcpzjf.jpg.html)



Hood painted and on truck
hinges needed some reaming to remove the galvy and I press fit the 2 part hinges with moly engine lube..
yes, the hood wont be pull-off-able.. but it will be secure and hinge-able..
Aqualu provided shims to compensate for radius curve of cowl.. ordered hood rubbers and cowl/hood seal from a YJ before final adjustments are made.. (trimming shims and final placement of hood)




(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/020_zpsl554ionr.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/020_zpsl554ionr.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/021_zps7bwrjxwx.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/021_zps7bwrjxwx.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/023_zpso6vxkkij.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/023_zpso6vxkkij.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 07, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
Have I said how much I love that color? Dam!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 08, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
have I mentioned how much I hate doing things twice..  >:(
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 08, 2015, 11:57:05 AM
Never. :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
with the exception of some spring clothing for the boys we have parts...


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/024_zpsnqbiynbo.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/024_zpsnqbiynbo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 09, 2015, 12:39:25 PM
Lol I thought maybe some J.crew seat covers?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 14, 2015, 08:21:10 AM
Things are pulling together nicely..
to do list is shrinking, yet growing with minor detail items..

Awaiting some fittings and misc. items to cross of big ticket items..
Should be ready for short road test this week.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 20, 2015, 09:22:56 AM
I was there and I didn't pull the trigger..
It was the pitman arm nut that was just hand tight that made me reconsider the maiden voyage..
Didn't want to end up like the Titanic.

Small but growing list of odds and ends that I want to check, and double check before road testing.

-ARB Air line securing
-ARB front diff fittings
-Ground issue with Tach
-engine bay organization (ARB wire loom, Engine harness trim & extend wires)
-Oil Pressure line placement
-Distributer cap / Spark plug wire organization
-Plumb Washer pump to nozzle
-Hazards
-CEL and Ignition on lights would be nice...
-Hood Prop Rod and Windshield tie down hardware
-coating of various steel parts
-Painting of various parts
-Nut and Bolt car

Some project updates:

Tailgate chains and latches mounted..
Latches are nut and bolt since welding wasn't an option..

Hood secured with some kinda cool turnbuckle/pin style catches..

ARB stuff tucked in with plenty of room for air circulation
Switch pod wired up and weather packed for (3) ARB switches and (1) AUX (LED light bar eventually)

Made up a CAI style intake for the motor.. Going to possibly work on a splash shield for the open element or just use a pre filter when needed.

Started cleaning up the engine bay this morning.
Need to  dress up the harness and actually start putting things in "final locations"


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0198_zpskjnhol3o.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0198_zpskjnhol3o.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0199_zpsshofxnid.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0199_zpsshofxnid.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0200_zpsotgkos4q.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0200_zpsotgkos4q.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0201_zpss4s4hcqf.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0201_zpss4s4hcqf.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0202_zpssxk8xks4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0202_zpssxk8xks4.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0204_zps8zryd4ad.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0204_zps8zryd4ad.jpg.html)
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(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0210_zpsceuuzen3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Final%20push/IMG_0210_zpsceuuzen3.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 20, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
Starting to come together...

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 20, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
sucks about the cage- it will never look right after what needs to be done.  should have had you and the top on it with the seats mounted before it got welded up. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 20, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
Still don't really have a top...
the hoops are good from every measurement I can get.. its the noggin clunker that's the only real issue
but yes....  I know..  I'm trying to think about options..
cant run a marathon and trip last 1/4 mile
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 27, 2015, 10:24:47 AM
-ARB Air line securing
-ARB front diff fittings
-Ground issue with Tach
-engine bay organization (ARB wire loom, Engine harness trim & extend wires)
-Oil Pressure line placement
-Distributer cap / Spark plug wire organization
-Plumb Washer pump to nozzle
-Swap PS pulley
-Hazards
-CEL and Ignition on lights would be nice... 
-Hood Prop Rod and Windshield tie down hardware
-coating of various steel parts
-Painting of various parts
-Nut and Bolt car (Half Done)

other odds and ends

-Soft top install
-rear bench (purchase)
-cage modification
-front seats and restraints

Took the car out for the first time on Saturday....
had most of my family over for my birthday (shameless plug) and I needed a few min away.
Ran it up and down the block a few times...
gingerly, then outright full throttle rowing the T18 like something it wasn't.
My brother in law snapped this of me as I pulled in... everybody in my house heard the jeep start and I guess ran to the window to see WTF was going on..

Spend Sunday going through the suspension and body mounts.. nothing was more than wrench snug  ::)  including my seat held in by 1 bolt...

Its a machine!!!  plenty of power, friggin deep gears and at least went in a strait line well....


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
Great birthday present to yourself right there!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 27, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
you have a lot of trees.

that must be a pain
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2015, 12:35:33 PM
Not a pain when you have people for that ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 27, 2015, 02:16:03 PM
for my little .55 acre in the city its not that much...


but yes, only leaves I pick up are leaf springs....
did way too much of that growing up.. vowed I wouldn't do it when I owned my own home...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 27, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
in the 6 years i have lived here, not a single rake has been used on my lot or the corner lot next to me.


we have (4) 150yr+ trees in sight that are massive.  i guess im just that guy that lets nature do its thing.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on April 28, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
I just broke down and raked up a pile in the front yard...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 06, 2015, 10:35:21 AM
Engine compartment all tidied up..
not saying its final, but its perfect for now.
AC system not wired (Evap and Comp.) to prevent damage before filling the system.. I have kids :o
I think the coolant bottle and washer bottle need another couple bolts.. but they're on
Powder coat came back..
need to do hood latch (inner) and hood prop rod..
correct PS pulley swapped on.. have an extra to add to the hoard.. at least when I was looking that was a S.O.B to find..
Alignment, sticker, and possibly an AC fill Friday...

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Soft top arrived last week.. Started putting the rather chintzy thing together...
going to be coating the brackets in one way or another..  much more rickety than a Supertop...
Top confirmed headroom measurements as being spot on...
width of the cage can be increased and back will need to be adjusted down a couple inches..
Im assuming the hard top offers more headroom in the back that the soft top.
I've come to the conclusion that my biggest mistake thus far has been doing the cage without both tops..
lesson learned I guess...  its been my first non factory or bolt in unit...

I guess well figure out next week what we need to do here to make this work and match the rest of the truck  :-\

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 10:51:30 AM

width of the cage can be increased and back will need to be adjusted down a couple inches..


send over a magic cage widener and adjuster with that   :o
i would live with the cage or start over.  enormous amount a work to "fix" it. 


another mistake- all cage work and heavy metal fabrication should be done before any paint or finish instal work.  its just too destructive / risky
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 06, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
like I said big mistake..
you tell me what I should do at this point and where to sign....

I haven't gone this far to shrug shoulders....

what im thinking.. and tell me to piss off or I'm wrong if applicable..

option 1:  start fresh, be at your beck and call.. do it right the second time around...
option 2:  hack and burn
option 3:  tweak if tweak able...

I dunno.. so upset over this... but somebody told me its just metal...

what I was thinking:

new rear section either the purple or yellow style.. save rear hoop for another project.. (orange CJ5 or ? ? ? )
raise the roof.. seems I might have more headroom that thought..  can a couple inches at the foot plate be added?
might be enough to live with..  I am strapped in/down

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 06, 2015, 11:14:57 AM
option 1 really should be  ...
you tell me to shut the fuck up.. I've spent enough and a $500 DIY cage isn't going to cut it..
let me do what I do and open the checkbook..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 11:30:34 AM
Full custom cage not in the cards this month (or next) with racing commitments. 

Its probably worth a meet up and talk though some ideas to see what we can do.  it is only metal, but being full welded not sure its practical to try and modify.

 i had Eds jeep for almost 6 weeks and that was some of the nicest cage work i have done along with Tonys TJ.  We had 3 sets of seats in and out of Eds 5 before it was right. 

Pull the cage and run the hard top for the summer- worry about it after its scratched up a little and you might consider wheeling it :) 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 06, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
hard top would need just as much time and energy...
softop wasn't cheap and more practical if towed or driving in spring/summer
I will take this thing out if its safe... only think that has stopped me from actually driving it thus far...

so much hinges off the cage... seats, belts, etc...

advantage I have over others is framework is there... seats fit and work well..  its just the damn noggin knocker...
I don't know much, but I think tweaking the rear is possible if I cut losses..

WTF do I know...


im sure mark will tell me to burn it.

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 12:56:50 PM
it just clicked looking at the pics of the rear soft top line, i didnt under stand it at first.

cut and grind all roof "X" bars, side bars, and handles out.

cut rear hoop from body plates, tip forward / lower to fit in soft top

rerun driver head bang bars further out with a bump out in them.

re x roof and rear side bars to match new front side bar lines

leave seat mounts, a pillar, and b pillar as is. 


that would be my plan to keep it
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on May 06, 2015, 01:12:23 PM
Too nice to burn it.

Give it to me instead!  ;D

It is really coming out nice!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 07, 2015, 09:30:59 AM
could we still be looking at next week to get this guy in..
Should have sticker tomorrow AM, so it will be kinda legal except for seats and restraints  ;)

M-W are light for me.. Tuesday being the least restrictive...
I can tow over during the day and meet you later in the evening or whatever..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 07, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
im in over my head with this back issue.  Need to see how this weekend goes. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 07, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
if you need help with that please let me know!

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 08, 2015, 08:15:39 AM
Sticker, alignment and a leaky rad cap.....

speedo still not registering... going to throw a drill on it later and see where the problem is...

I would pay a handsome sum for a NOS cluster...  hens teeth at this point
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 09, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
rear seats purchased today..

narrowest car seats I can find that still satisfy my safety requirements...
17" wide x 2 for 36" between the fenders !!


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 15, 2015, 08:22:24 AM
ordering steel if anybody is interested...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 22, 2015, 05:32:24 PM
few odds and ends this weekend before some much needed M4 love...

I could be driving this by JUNE!!!!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2015, 12:30:11 AM
C pillar cut out and prepped
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 27, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
can the smoke screen or oil slick come out of those holes?

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on May 27, 2015, 09:24:13 AM
If you need a smoke screen, I've got a 550cc 3 cyl for you...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 15, 2015, 10:07:12 AM
Too humid to paint this weekend...
but I did get a good couple hours in sanding and degreasing...

having a 2 story garage with an access hatch in the floor made cage removal a 1 man job...

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Galvy parts came back Friday... all bolted back in and ready for this thing to come together by Friday..
I have a customer event and I made too many promises...
was able to get the tire carrier in color and Im very pleased with the results...
paint is 90 percent prep!!

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: wnyjpgy on June 15, 2015, 11:02:30 AM
What a quality build.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on June 15, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
Very nice.
Will we see it Friday?

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 15, 2015, 01:59:48 PM
that's the plan...
but only if I can drive it there...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 16, 2015, 09:17:49 AM
painting tube sucks
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on June 16, 2015, 04:46:15 PM
Yup


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 18, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
Would have liked one more spray bomb for a final gloss coat, but it came out better than anticipated..
I can always touch up areas with careful masking..


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 22, 2015, 09:30:21 AM
Fathers day and anniversary....
but some major updates with pictures coming soon...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 23, 2015, 09:24:13 AM
A more complete update later...
but this is where I'm at after its maiden voyage....

the front is up on jack stands and I have some cleanup to do on my garage floor  ::)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 23, 2015, 09:39:55 AM
I hope you didn't make a mess of that pretty driveway!! :gasp:
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 23, 2015, 09:47:48 AM
ha..
funny you mention the driveway...

when I was spraying the cage my painting tarp was being used...
needless to say there is a slight blue tint on some of the pavers...
couple weeks, some rain, and it will be fine...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 23, 2015, 09:52:40 AM
whats up with the front?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 03, 2015, 09:32:20 AM
whats up with the front?

ok, here is the long and short of it.....

I'm a bonehead... pure and simple...
I went back and checked, double-checked, even triple checked in most cases all the vitals of the car before its maiden voyage..
on paper everything looked good, mental lists checked out and I even torqued the lug nuts...

My first few miles of driving were pleasurable... no issue or odd noises.. truck ran great..
by the time I got to Perrinton I was hearing some rattling from the T-case.. Unsure of what it was I pushed on.. I was actually thinking it had something to do with a loose shifter or ???

Had a very successful customer event in Farmington and spent the afternoon with Cora.. an absolute pleasure...  Ride home was very similar to ride out… all quiet and fine until Constellation HQ on 96..  I said F-it and jumped on 490 to Brighton…  Had some noise, but the tire and open air muffled some of the screams.. the real fun didn’t happen till I got off at Linden Ave.

As I turned on East Ave and was on the home stretch I was soon engulfed by a cloud of burning oil..  several expletives and g-d damn its came flying out and next thing I knew my steering column was 6 inches closer to me that before (it’s not a telescoping column)  I had no steering and was heading toward the curb.  Jumped out and popped the hood … My $15 Rock Auto power steering pressure line failed, didn’t break, FAILED..  The metal separated from the rubber due to a bad crimp.. oil smoke was PS fluid on a nicely coated exhaust manifold.  Called Scotty’s and had one of the guys run out with my MJ and a strap to drag me the mile home.  As I pulled into the driveway I swore off my Jeep for a week.

1 week later and a few calls to SVE I started addressing the issues:

-   T Cases need oil to stay cool and quite.. this would be mandatory, not a suggestion
-   Speedo gears need oil to stop from melting
-   Steering shaft U Joints should be checked several times after install/alignment/miles
-   Lack of power put added stress on above joint
-   Good things aren’t always cheap and cheap things aren’t always good
-   Even if your to do list is crossed out.. double check fluid levels before doing something stupid

Front of the vehicle was up on jack stands to aid in bleeding the PS system.  I also had the rear up so I could manually manipulate the drivetrain without any lockup.  I drained all fluids in the drivetrain to check for metals and whatnot, that is when I discovered the lack of oil in the Dana 300.. I still don’t know what I was thinking.. I was very well away they didn’t share the same oil reservoir and I really recall filling it with the recommended 3qts….

D300 appears to have survived the ordeal…  there really aren’t many bearings in these cases and the intermediate shaft and all 48 needles were slathered with Molybdenum disulfide, … I think this helped keep things alive.
I resealed and FILLED this time around all drivetrain components… Ran in gear without the rear driveshaft and I have 100% quiet operation.  The attached video give an idea of the sounds I was hearing while driving… just imagine amplification and increase speed!!!!

Finally was able to road test last night... up and down the block reveled a working speedo, no drivetrain noise, smooth shifting in all ranges (once the oil started splashing around)

I'm going to give it a week of grocery runs to bring drivetrain up to temp and flush Tcase.
Also noticed the oil pan drain plug is seeping..  going to get a nice molder rubber one instead..

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Video:


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 03, 2015, 09:32:56 AM
on the bright side....

its looking good

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2015, 09:44:03 AM
Lucky on the 300 for sure


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 03, 2015, 10:38:22 AM


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: CJ on July 03, 2015, 10:49:06 AM
Wow!!

I remember your comments about the t-case noise and wonkey spedo. Glad it survived! A testament to the stout Scout Dana 300.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 07, 2015, 09:02:37 AM
getting some color variation in the rattle cans..
going to we sand and go for round 2 in a better environment..

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 08, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
Some lunchtime miles on the Jeep today...


no news is good news..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 14, 2015, 09:48:36 AM
Badges.. we don't need no stinking badges...

paying homage to the Jeeps roots...

Vinyl decal for 'Jeep' lettering to be replaced by billet one I'm working on..

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 14, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
very cool.

badges look good
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 14, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
Looks good Arie!

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 19, 2015, 07:27:45 AM
Glad were all having problems this weekend...
after 20 miles of uneventful driving I ran into a no start.. seemed the ignition switch was dead...
got the guy fired and Im throwing a CEL and stalling...
ALDL conector not getting juice... blow fuse somewhere...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 20, 2015, 09:42:39 AM
Blown fuse or melted harness...

96 deg heat and running around town... harness "fell" off the manifold and touched the back of the engine block..
no wires seemed to be damaged, but I'm sure the heat transfer and molten goodness caused a temporary short and caused the Howell to throw a code..  at least that's what I'm going with right now..

Battery reset and my ALDL now connects, engine runs with no traveling idle or stalling...
more "test" miles tonight


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jacel861 on July 20, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
Since you're going to have so much practice at this vehicle wiring thing,  want to come fix my disastrous wiring nightmare on the Rubicon?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 20, 2015, 11:17:30 AM
I hate wires but I love fuel injection...

Zip Ties FTW till I can figure everything out  ::)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2015, 08:46:52 AM
home depot trip last night resulted in having an intermittent CEL...  But it was on when I parked it..

Code 22... THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR (TPS) CIRCUIT (LOW)

Trouble Code 22 indicates that the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) is reading abnormally low. TPS volts should be close to 0.42V at closed throttle and rise smoothly in about 0.02 volt increments to a maximum reading of about 4.85 volts at WOT.

Code 22 will set if:

- Engine Running
- TPS reading < 0.25 volts for 3 seconds

Typical causes for this code include:

1) Circuit Open or Shorted to Ground
2) Faulty Connection
3) Faulty TPS
4) Defective ECM

TPS cannot be adjusted, the TPS has an auto zeroing feature.


I also noticed I have no parking lights at the moment.. but headlight, brake, backup, turn signals are just dandy..
My horn is also being weird... going off randomly.. I hear the relay click so I know its grounding in the column somewhere..

I figured I was working on the Land Rover when I was doing most of this chassis wiring..  Either a British part was used or the prince of darkness is seeking revenge...  Checking all grounds tonight as well as a new TPS

Clutch might also need a heavier return spring and a gooder bleed..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 21, 2015, 10:38:24 AM
With other things working randomly says short to ground or bad ground to me.

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2015, 10:46:43 AM
I'm thinking ground as well unless TPS shorted when harness got HOT...
my ground block is easy enough to check and might run Howell ground strap directly to battery post

Parking light issue should in theory be a bad switch.. all lights grounded to chassis and power gets distributed from Switch..  easy enough to test....

Horn is a bit more dicey...
several "contacts" are involved to close the circuit..
column to column tube and button to contact ring..

Im planning on stripping the loom where the "melt down" occurred and check wire integrity more carefully..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Some follow up:

-after some hunting I was able to located the correct TPS for the Howell and that cleared the CEL
-I pulled my headlight switch and replaced the spade terminals with the stock electrical connector.. parking lights working
-Horn brush needs to be reworked/remade.. but I have a functional circuit

Ran into a bit of an issue today on the Hwy..

I experienced an engine shut down in +90 deg heat.
engine running a cool 200 deg and nice airflow at 60 MPH..

Fuel cut to the TBI..
I'm assuming at this point is was FP related since after I pulled over and waited 5 min I was able to start engine again with no CEL or poor running.

I know vapor lock in theory with fuel under pressure is not possible, but that what it felt like..
didn't get a chance to jump under Jeep and touch FP or lines, but I think there is a decent amount of heat under there...

Anybody run into an issue like this?
I'm running a Howell TBI on my 360, external fuel pump that came with the Howell Kit...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2015, 02:34:01 PM
14psi return system, check what ever vents the fuel cell is good. or when you get home after a drive take off the gas cap right away. if it goes whooooosh! you have your problem. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2015, 02:41:41 PM
I did fill up this morning...  if it makes a difference
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
it would be more of a problem with full tank of gas if you have blocked vent- yes.   smaller vapor pocket to be pulled to overcomming pressure of the pump faster as the engine burns fuel that is basically not compressible...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 28, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
it would be more of a problem with full tank of gas if you have blocked vent- yes.   smaller vapor pocket to be pulled to overcomming pressure of the pump faster as the engine burns fuel that is basically not compressible...

100%

what's your tank vent situation? Is it a vented cap or something fancier with vapor recovery and emissions stuff and all that?

Where is the fuel pump? Everything from the tank to the pump is under vacuum and could vapor lock - the impossibility only applies to an in-tank submerged pump
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 29, 2015, 09:45:43 AM
Took a short ride from my house to Pittsford plaza.
Engine was room temp.. 
With sushi order and getting cold tempura, Another no start.
Solved by a few min wait, some cursing, and the security truck asking if I needed a jump.

I can rule out pump overheating.   
pump kicked on with ignition cycling.

I released the fuel cap when I got to plaza, no rush of air.
My current vent situation however, has something to be desired
lets just say my vent is via the cap only...
going to be working on a solution

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Fuel pump is well out of the way and should have good air flow..
Mounted nice and tight, don't see any BIG issue there...
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I am getting some fuel sweat here.  I think this was done with my old flare tool and I might need to re-flare the fittings..
some heat shielding or fuel line insulation here is prob a must..
also will prob shield the lines from the frame to throttle body...
Might be obsessing a bit here, but if I can make it run right in this weather I wont have a problem again..

This Jeep runs hot.. everything is jut warm/hot to the touch..
granted its 90 deg outside, but the 360 runs where it should at 200 deg and aluminum from what 6th grade science tells me is a good conductor of heat..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2015, 09:54:28 AM
one thing at a time.  You have half the battle beat as your problem is consistent!

Next drive- leave the gas cap loose or off and see if it repeats.  you may just have a non vented gas cap.  most of them just vent pressure not vacuum.   I had this problem on my cummins truck because someone swapped a gas truck gas cap to it.  heaving towing non stop id get the wooooosh when going to fuel! 



also- sweat?   like condensation or fuel leakage?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 29, 2015, 10:07:44 AM
also- sweat?   like condensation or fuel leakage?

Leakage 99% sure..
before I got my hydraulic flare tool I did the rear fittings.. 
the copper line is easier to flare, but IMO less forgiving to a bad flare.

going to vent the tank and fix flare. 
I don't think some heat shielding in that area from axle to transfer case is a bad idea..
might be a good idea in the engine compartment as well where it passes by manifolds.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2015, 10:10:34 AM
you have a fuel pressure gauge?

pump sound normal when it's giving you a no-start or does it sound starved?

Is you cap actually vented? I'm sure you're aware that modern gasoline caps intended for use with vapor recovery systems are sealed (easy way to collapse a Cummins tank & fuel lines is to put a gasser fuel cap on it)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2015, 10:10:56 AM
oh man, jinx
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 06, 2015, 09:03:41 AM
...update...

ran 2 vent lines up into the wheel well and zip tied to the turn signal...
No further staling issues...

Vapor canister and check valve next...

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 10, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
While I have been addressing my fuel vapor issue I decided to tackle a few other odds and ends that need some attention and adjustment.

I haven't been happy with my hyd clutch setup..
Clutch works fine, but I feel its not operation at 100% efficiency.
With consistent driving I have a noticed a small drop in fluid, but no external leaks from the system. I purchased a kit way back when from This Guy (http://extremecustomparts.com/i-361564-hydraulic-clutch-conversion-amc-jeep-cj5-cj7-cj8-willys-muscle-cars-5-0-mustang-free-shipping.html) and have been generally happy with it..

I decided on swapping my MC and Slave for "better" units, often these kits use generic quality rebuilds. I did notice however when I was pulled the slave that there is some play in the pushrod to the fork. Is there a rule of thumb on how long the pushrod needs to be? When in the compressed position should I be able to move the clutch fork, or should this be a rather ridged connection?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 10, 2015, 04:37:25 PM
There should be a little play at the clutch fork with the pedal all the way out, otherwise you've got load on the throwout all the time - if I'm understanding your question right.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 11, 2015, 09:12:18 AM
There should be a little play at the clutch fork with the pedal all the way out, otherwise you've got load on the throwout all the time - if I'm understanding your question right.

yes.. thanks...

have my plunger rod with me today.. a trip to Fastenal at lunch.. who sells a M10 1.25 rod in a universal kit? :o  I think my current setup is short enough that I'm getting a good throw, but only at full stroke..

Things that I have noticed while driving:

If I coast into a parking spot with clutch depressed I sometimes cant pull it out of gear until I give another full pump to the pedal.. an issue when my front bumper is up another cars ass already.

Same situation at a stop light if not in neutral.. seems like I'm loosing pedal.. possible internal hydraulic leak

I have a good amount of pedal movement before anything happens.. 
had this with my Brake MC and the rod was too short...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2015, 02:40:30 PM
Evap system is coming together...
Cleaned out some room on the driver side firewall for the bracket..
(thankfully I had the premonition to get it hot dipped at an earlier time)

Evap canister is an older Delco unit.. with Fresh Air/Tank/Purge nipples
I am debating where to tie the purge into.. I think I can get away with T'ing it to the EGR valve since its operated by the CTO switch..  Eventually I could always swap CTO's for a dual circuit, not the single I have currently..

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Gas tank vent and rollover proved a little difficult..  real estate back there is slim and I didn't want to drill any additional holes into the body.  I ended up using a left over hood prop rod bracket mounted to the rear roll cage foot plate.. the MTS unit came with a stainless bracket that fit perfectly..  Still have to plump the valve to the engine compartment, but the heavy lifting is done..

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
also not so important, but I got the front bumper and winch mounted..
ended up using my winch off the YJ, just put some new rope on it.. and ill be putting the new Rock 12.8 I purchased on the Wrangler.

yes, I know its not the correct color emblem... but I thought it matched better  :P

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jacel861 on August 12, 2015, 03:21:38 PM
Bumper looks sharp!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 12, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
nice when even the little things start coming together!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 13, 2015, 08:56:12 AM
Nice. Nice.


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 13, 2015, 09:04:07 AM
did the clutch last night...  it functions, that's all I can say..
this is the new pushrod I made...  same length as the one I removed with a coupler/jam nut so I can +/- the length while in the truck.  Once I get it dialed in Ill prob take it back out and make a solid one..

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 17, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
all buttoned up..
didn't feel like 90 deg was a good day to road test... :o
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 31, 2015, 09:31:14 AM
aside from shredding though some road cabbage this AM (http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S3893150.shtml?cat=565)
this guy is running like a champ..
little rich, might need some fine tuning in the CPU department..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 10, 2015, 10:02:21 PM
Some field testing on the Jokinen estate today.....

First scratch, tree rub, and trail break...
Pics and details tomorrow. ( it wasn't that bad, but all factually true)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 12, 2015, 03:24:12 PM
a BIG thank you to Cora for taking some this this past week and allowing me to play around...

Was able to take the 6 out for an hour or so and put through its paces...
Some general driving impressions first...

The Jeep drives great, and I'm not just saying that.
tracks very well down the road, steers well, accelerates and brakes almost like a modern vehicle.
Driving a T18 deff takes some getting use to on the road.  2 and 4th are easy, upshift to third is a slow go and easy to miss.
Engine is beautiful... a pleasure to step on the gas!
Jeeps runs about 2,500 RPM in 4th gear at 60 mph.   
I can easily get it to 85, but I'm out of gear . . . almost like a built in safety feature.
long why cruises are easy, but thirsty.
Country roads with a 55 MPH limit are best..  I can get it in 4th and keep the RPMS down.

Off Road Performance

It was odd, I had to lock hubs before popping into 4low, but there were no sway bars to disconnect :)
Jeep hit the woods very naturally..
Trail riding was nice, the narrow stance will keep pin striping down and an ATV trail is very doable.
A big difference is the LWB.  Lots of wide turns and reverse gear was needed to stay on trail.
Rear tire carrier/cage is perfect for pivoting during some of these maneuvers in tightly wooded trails.
Lack of sliders was discovered quickly, some scratches in the aluminum will be a reminder if not sanded out.. ;)
Selectable front locker is a must for any LWB Jeep, was toggling the switch on/off frequnetly.
Suspension needs lots of breaking in or they just don't flex like they do now..
With only 500 miles on the rig and NO weight in the rear of the truck I think they need some time to give a bit.
Gearing is fantastic, wouldn't change a thing 94:1 in LOW was enough to creep down a couple rather steep grades.
the couple rocks on the trail were a quick reminder that airing down is a must. 
Cant really judge performance since I was bouncing on and off. (Round 2 hopefully with sliders)

Overall a very successful outing some design changes I noted:

-Power steering cooler might be needed.. lots of turning when trails are tight..
  thought i might have overheated, but could also have been a bad brake flare leaking fluid..
-more slack in front hard brake lines.. nothing broke loose, but I can see a possible problem (or it was a bad flare)
-more HYD spares (flare tool, etc.. all custom, no off the shelf parts if needed)
-SLIDERS - SKIDS
-gear tie downs in the back.. or tool box rack
-phone / GPS holder somewhere in Jeep is needed
-Shift tower boot and Tcase boot.. lost my radio remote through the floor in a quick stop
-T case shifters need to be re angled..
-TBI running slightly rich... 12 psi fuel pressure.. might need to tune down a bit..
-more wheeling will lead to a OTK of the TRE...

Some "full flex" shots followed by some more pictures form the day

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jacel861 on September 12, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
The elusive offroading unicorn shows his head ;-)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 13, 2015, 09:21:38 AM
 ;D Whiteness protection.   

I've seen a lot of shit. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: CJ on September 13, 2015, 10:30:38 AM
Proof!
They do exist!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 18, 2015, 08:17:45 AM
Drilling holes for passenger side slider this weekend...  :o
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 19, 2015, 03:12:12 PM
passenger side slider mocked up...
the supports are horizontal going into the frame.. have >1" gap from op of slider to body edge..
without altering the sliders this was as tight as I could get them to body.. my body mounts are a bit taller than stock...

I have a thought about a vertical support, integrating it into the roll cage...

ohh SMike ;)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 19, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Look good.


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
That seems pretty reasonable. Triangulation or cage support should keep them there and prevent upward migration.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 06, 2016, 11:10:38 AM
Jeep is nestled in the garage for the winter..

was hanging out there last night, sitting in the seat making motor noises when I noticed my brake lights weren't lighting up.. end sup I had 2 blown fuses.. Brake lights and Turn signal..

couple of WTF's and a drink later I traced my footsteps to the last thing I did before I put the Jeep away....

Slider frame bolts cant be used as wire clamps..  :o

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Winter to do List:

Things that need correcting

-Fuel Lines need re flaring
-Steering shaft needs set screws drilled
-Was running rich when parked, TBI adjustment before spring driving
-Excess heat under the hood.. louvers, coolers, don't know where this one is going
-Change fluids all around
-Re Seal Tcase oil pan
-Tcase shifter angle
-Horn button / column connection

Things that need completing

-Hazard Switch wiring
-Washer pump wiring
-E brake adjustment
-Soft top drilling and install
-Rear bench
-Slider to cage tie ins
-Sliders and seat mount painting
-Shifter tunnel / boots

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on January 06, 2016, 11:22:03 AM
boy that looks familiar.
and reminds me that I owe you a writeup. wonder if I'll ever get that done...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 06, 2016, 12:02:16 PM
if the TBI has a working O2 and respective sensors and everything is happy, don't forget its not a carb and wont "run rich"
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 06, 2016, 01:33:06 PM
Howell thinks there too much pressure and TBI might need to be dialed down a bit..

Im not really going to mess with it until the spring when I can road test and check system info on scanner...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on January 06, 2016, 02:44:00 PM
relief ball in that TBI is huge and way over sized.  pretty hard to hurt it.  same 90 psi pump on 571 now that ran a TBI and now runs PFI system
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 14, 2016, 12:26:51 PM
Found some flares in my parts stash and am looking at my options..
I am certainly looking to keep a stock profile, but I have never been a fan of molded flares.
unless I decide to make something, a metal flare in the rear is only available with <3" of coverage, and fronts are usually integral to the fender...

just brainstorming here if anybody has an insight...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Flares/IMG_1579_zpspbjujye6.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Flares/IMG_1579_zpspbjujye6.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Flares/IMG_1578_zpszypyvecu.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Flares/IMG_1578_zpszypyvecu.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Flares/IMG_1577_zpsurxhc083.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Flares/IMG_1577_zpsurxhc083.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on January 14, 2016, 12:34:20 PM
I don't think I'd be looking to put flares on that. looks too clean without.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on January 14, 2016, 01:47:57 PM
I disagree.  I think the clean set of original CJ flares will look great.  It breaks up the large flat body panel nicely and doesn't look out-of-place.

Or nothing.  No pocket flares, tube flares, or anything of that nonsense on this resto-mod.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on January 14, 2016, 02:26:41 PM
I completely agree with Mark.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 15, 2016, 09:57:03 AM
I kinda really just wanted a tube fender/rub rail...
just nobody makes one that's smaller then 3"
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on January 15, 2016, 10:25:50 AM
If this will see tree and rock duty, have sMike or someone use a tubing roller and 1" tube.  That will allow a little bit more space for the end bends.  I have some 1 x .188(?) stock that isn't doing anything if you want to try it. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on January 15, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
even if it sees it once... I drive by braille

not use to a LWB... way more concerned about the ass end than the front
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2016, 11:13:14 AM
Wrenches are working in reverse finally..
Amazing how much grime can accumulate under a car in only 500 Miles...

Trans and T-case drained..  oil looked good, not a great deal of shimmer.

Steering column removed from tube and set screw hole drilled.. column needs to stay attached to the steering shaft

T-case pan resealed.. gears look, no apparent wear from my little no oil issue..

Shifters removed and work on tunnel cover/boots has commenced..

It’s going to get interesting down there.. I'm trying to keep it clean, but the tranny is just so darn big..

also noticed that my passenger side body mount is settling a bit too much...  might need to give it 1/4" more to keep the body of the trans..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1760_zpsl6he84yy.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1760_zpsl6he84yy.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1762_zpsykiqkz49.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1762_zpsykiqkz49.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1761_zpshukqq9zz.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1761_zpshukqq9zz.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1763_zpss5qhvdrn.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/2016%20Updates/IMG_1763_zpss5qhvdrn.jpg.html)

Rear Seat also finally arrived a couple weeks ago..
Mastercraft finally decided to produce and ship the rear bench, been waiting since early December.

 Very dukes of hazard to get in there.. and if and when a top goes on, its prob near impossible to get back there..
 Need to work on front back positioning.. too far back and it looks like a mini van without the 2nd row.. too far front and my 4.5 year old wont fit.. I think I need to get my tool box and cooler and measure accordingly.

 I love the look and function.. but damn near impossible to get 2 toddler seats back there.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Seats/IMG_1776_zpsecd3hyjr.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Seats/IMG_1776_zpsecd3hyjr.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Seats/IMG_1777_zpszteyrivx.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Seats/IMG_1777_zpszteyrivx.jpg.html)

Got around to the shifters this past weekend...
Made an aluminum patch panel to cover some of the wonky holes around the Tcase.  Temporarily held in place by some self-tappers...  I will be using Aluminum rivets once the panel is coated in the floor covering.
New sticks, knobs, HD rubber boot... very pleased with the way it looks 

Transmission is another story...  I tried to get off easy by finding “something” to make a superstructure...  Ended up with an aluminum electronic chassis off of amazon...  fit is very nice, but looks to balky and angular...  Going to have to get something custom made here... steel or aluminum doesn’t matter.  Smike?  have a sheet metal break?

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2161_zpslm3sxhd4.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2161_zpslm3sxhd4.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2166_zpsyt7mzqwo.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2166_zpsyt7mzqwo.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2165_zpsiox8hrxd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2165_zpsiox8hrxd.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2164_zps2plqtxkb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2164_zps2plqtxkb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
those self taping zink zip screws are killing me
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on February 22, 2016, 12:19:26 PM
That was my first thought too on looking through the pictures! I about died!

Temporarily held in place by some self-tappers...  I will be using Aluminum rivets once the panel is coated in the floor covering.

whew.


As for the shifter tower, with that big boot do you really need a big tall box there? Just let the tower stick up through the flange into the boot. I'm guessing it can't be quite flat, but something that just carries up the angle of the sides of the tunnel and covers all shifter holes is probably what I'd be aiming for.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2016, 02:01:06 PM
well they are stainless screws if it makes it any better.. ;)
needed some good clamping/pulling power to make the bend in the aluminum...

I made a promise to myself when I started this I wouldn't take shortcuts or use zip screws, there was just no other way to get the coverage I needed while being able to be removed..
the boot will be a perm fixture (riveted) on the panel and rivets will clean it up a bit..
Have to wait and do all the "bed liner" touchup at once, stuff doesn't have a good pot life and is a bitch to mix and spray..

as for the transmission..
I thought if I found big enough boot (8x12 to be exact) I would just do that..  didn't find anything.
Problem is I have too much transmission sticking up through the 8x12 opening
that box has a 3" height.. I prob only need 1" to clear everything, but it also doesn't need to be vertical..

I either need a custom made superstructure, or a custom made shifter boot and trim ring.


while I was typing this I called my upholstery guy...
he said all I need to do is get him a trim ring and he can make me a boot..

* new thought *

make a trim ring out of 1" bar to fit the floor with snaps on it.. boot can snap to ring .. kinda like a soft top.. hmmm
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on February 22, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
or just put snaps in the floor and forget the ring all together.. ???
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2016, 10:00:56 PM
i feel your pain, even this simple clean approach took many hours to line up holes, make rings ect.  probably over 4 hours of labor total, with OEM boots provided

(http://bb.m4wdfabrications.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10.0;attach=1901;image)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 16, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
scary part is over... finally got the fuel lines undone last night.. whole garage wreaked of gas..
ready to put back together..

Tcase pan needs to be re sealed... leaking from just sitting..
despite what Novak says, I'm going to use gasket this time around..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 17, 2016, 09:03:03 AM
another 20 min of work last night...  stupid neighbor talking to me for over 40 min about house nonsense.
lines re-flared.. forgot which one was supply and return...  turned in..

FML

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 17, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
supply is the bigger on :)  or the one gas comes out when you key up :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 17, 2016, 09:50:02 AM
same size fuel pipe... didn't feel like walking the 4 ft (its a LWB jeep) to the hood to look at throttle body...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on March 17, 2016, 10:05:21 AM
didn't feel like walking the 4 ft (its a LWB jeep) to the hood to look at throttle body...

hahaha
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 18, 2016, 08:15:22 AM
finally got something done..

fuel lines re-flared and heat wrapped..

looking to get cross member and drivetrain buttoned up tonight...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_2339_zpson0rikr0.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Plumbing%20and%20Wiring/IMG_2339_zpson0rikr0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 21, 2016, 09:06:08 AM
had some good wrench time this weekend..
managed to accomplish all that was needed to get Jeep over to Smikes..  also managed to create an upgrade project.. before it get to Smikes..

500 Miles and 2 hrs. of light wheeling my rubber body mounts are compressing already.
Didn't notice until yesterday after the cross member was back in.
The body tub was slightly hitting the tops of the transmission and some of my clearances were about .25" to tight..

did some research and the body mounting rubber I used is the same PN as used for fiberglass bodies..  doing some reading I found the durometer for these mounts to be 45A-50A...
Typical poly mounts are normally 80A-90A on whatever scale is used..
Found some 90A poly rod on Amazon and it should be here tomorrow..

couple of thoughts need feeback with..
Should I cut the new poly bushing a bit taller to accommodate some settling?
or.. since my sliders will be tied into the cage through the floor, should get some more support and rigidity?

the body mount that was the most compressed was the passenger by the firewall..  (no surprise there)  it is however very close in relation to where the cage floor plate is..  The rear mounts, comparatively, were just settling in..

Side note...
picked up some machined dash knobs.. now they all match and bye bye nasty plastic ones..




(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_2360_zpse6rmdcqb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_2360_zpse6rmdcqb.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_2361_zpsvawvowr1.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_2361_zpsvawvowr1.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Dash/IMG_2362_zpswkpqj6m8.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Dash/IMG_2362_zpswkpqj6m8.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 21, 2016, 09:20:22 AM
90 sounds a lot stiffer and i would think the same height would be fine.  That aluminum tub is probably much stiffer than a tin or glass tub against that frame that's made to flex a bit. 


Id like to have this thing in mid week if possible, so i can get any metal i need Thursday.  I have Friday and Saturday full shop days available to work on it.   If not let me know and ill line something else up. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on March 21, 2016, 09:39:00 AM
No problem at all...
poly should be here tomorrow..
Seats are stripped and everything else all buttoned up..  was ready to roll when I saw the contact..

I was thinking the same thing about the tub.. there is no give anywhere on this thing..

Amazon fail on not having stuff here today...
1 day shipping and got notice this AM that stuff didn't ship

would anybody locally have this kind of stuff? 



Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on March 21, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
i have only bought 2' chunks for 4wd.com
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2016, 06:04:40 PM
thoughts...?
has some time, sandpaper and paint...
was going to do floor liner, or is the contrast appealing?
I happen to galvanize the shifter boot ring, and had solid core aluminum rivets from the Rover laying around..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2446_zpsdgq3hsyo.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2446_zpsdgq3hsyo.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2450_zpspxgzjcsy.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2450_zpspxgzjcsy.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2451_zpss9x7gl87.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2451_zpss9x7gl87.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 02, 2016, 06:31:39 PM
I don't mind the blue accent.  Breaks things up a bit.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 02, 2016, 06:31:58 PM
i think bedliner in that color would look cool.  or throw some filler and sanding on someones weld seems that were suppose to disappear in beadliner  :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 02, 2016, 07:00:06 PM
I spent 29 min spraying it...  Wasn't committed or would have done some body work.
Might run it for a bit.  And become lazy and leave it.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 03, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
Blue!

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 03, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
love the body color. run it
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 03, 2016, 09:05:04 PM
Blasted it tonigh   ;D

Going to try my hand at some bodywork.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 04, 2016, 09:08:58 PM
started plugging the bolt holes.
Guy at work said use a penny and weld em up.. 
The copper conducts, but it doesn't stick. (In a lab)
On a shoddy welding bench it burns, or newer pennies are made of magnesium...

Needs more more grinding before filler..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 04, 2016, 09:25:48 PM
I've used small aluminum blocks before with good results.
Title: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on April 04, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Ditto on aluminum. good results.

I tried it after seeing brass/copper(?) used.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on April 04, 2016, 10:32:07 PM
Not much Cu in pennies anymore.

97.5% Zn, 2.5% Cu since 1982.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 06, 2016, 09:31:38 AM
taillight cutouts from tub worked much better last night

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 11, 2016, 10:23:38 AM
not pretending to be a body guy.. this was my college try.
filled some holes, smoothed some seams, made it one color..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2496_zps4p5xkzhr.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/T18/shifters/IMG_2496_zps4p5xkzhr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 11, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
I'll drive that! ;)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 18, 2016, 09:39:55 AM
Decided on Tub emblem..

off of a 60's Gladiator...  couldn't stick a plastic emblem on there.. needed a real metal one.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_2556_zpsyxjmkcxw.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Body%20Mounting/IMG_2556_zpsyxjmkcxw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 19, 2016, 07:50:04 AM
Perfect

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 22, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
Smike...

thinking about restraints for the rear...
I still want to have the functionality of a load space if ever needed.. but I also have the ok to take the kids if I get 5 pts in the rear...

I think a whole rear area sub frame tied to the cage is just overkill...
Seat is bolted to the floor..  I think I would bolt lap belts to tub as well..
would it be possible, and safe to use tube collars and make a removable chest harness bar?
Im thinking something that spans the width of the cage, slight rearward bend....


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Seats/IMG_2550_zpstlddu10p.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Seats/IMG_2550_zpstlddu10p.jpg.html)

(http://cdn3.volusion.com/vdrdr.cmvft/v/vspfiles/photos/RH-1200-2T.jpg?1428465959)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
ya that would be fine.  just what i was thinking before i scrolled down to see the second pic.

Lab and sub belts fine to that tub- id put some fender washers on the bottom side of hardware if you have any consern about it, but its got to be 3x stronger than any production unit i have cut up. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 22, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
cool.. ill order some up..
do you have tabs? 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2016, 05:16:55 PM
yep
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 25, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
Blew through whatever gas was left over from the winter and washed it over the weekend..

its ready for some miles and more shake down runs before turning my attention to engine tuning.

of course there is still the ever present "to do" list, but its getting shorter and less important (like who needs hazards):rolleyes:


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG_2572_zpsgvdfsgwi.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/IMG_2572_zpsgvdfsgwi.jpg.html)



Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on April 25, 2016, 02:15:23 PM
d@mn that is SEXY!!!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2016, 02:35:50 PM
sliders look great
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 23, 2016, 10:32:19 AM
Tube collars in hand...
Smike is this a shop visit or a bench job?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 23, 2016, 11:47:31 AM
ill need it dropped off. it will have some bends in the bar to off set it towards the rear of the tub a little.  This will make it so the clamps are actually removable.  if i recall those pillars are parallel so it cant just be a straight piece of tube or you would never get it in our out. 

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 23, 2016, 12:03:20 PM
I figured as much...
but I only got a B+ in geometry...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 23, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
RAM is setup with flat bed extensions right now if you need me to grab it.  Rover work soon too?   

i might actually be caught up with work this week minus some trailer finish work / on going XJ CEL issue investigation....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 23, 2016, 03:57:16 PM
driving the CJ.. no issue LMK when good..
I have the belts as well if needed for tab position..

kinda stoked for this..I finally have "friends" that will fit in the back of a CJ... wife already approved local trips with the boys in the 5 pts.. ;)

Rover as well..... can drop whenever.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 25, 2016, 02:58:05 PM
CJ dropped..
wow the shop is clean..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on May 25, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
rear harness bar in
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 07, 2016, 11:35:09 AM
1000 Mile Shakedown completed....
now time for the 1000 mile tear down and re torque (y)

Some things to button up / tweak:

- Fuel issues:  Need to address pump location due to cavitation and heat under the Jeep..
                      - In tank pump, heat shielding
- Tearing into the steering column to figure our 'Phantom Horn' issue
                      - possible spacer at end of column
- Clutch pedal return spring and adjustment of slave cyl rod.
- Need to lengthen and re route drive side brake line.
- Hazard switch wire
- Front marker lights
- Rear seat restraints
- Storage solution for back
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 10, 2016, 08:42:27 AM
do you need to support an in tank fuel pump?  or can it just float around?

(http://www.novak-adapt.com/images/pics/cj_fuel_pump_kit.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 10, 2016, 09:17:35 AM
the full OE type as on the left are intended to be suspended from the top collar. to run the type on the right in-tank it should be secured to the tank or somehow suspended from the access panel on a bracket.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
the picture on the right is confusing to me, never seen such a thing
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 10, 2016, 09:40:54 AM
I think I've seen that type in use in fuel cell multi-pickup setups. didn't dig through liquid iron facebook for an example but I'm almost sure it's Timmay's work I'm thinking of.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on June 10, 2016, 09:54:30 AM
Road duty would be fine but off-road, either in the pic seem less than optimal.  That's a bit of mass at the end of a rubber hose that has liquid sloshing forces acting on it.

I'm picturing a GM style with the spring-loaded sliders to help support/stabilize it.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 10, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
I don't know what's on the left in that picture..
just the sending unit and suspended pump

flare sending unit and call it a day?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 12, 2016, 02:49:56 PM
been poking around this weekend making a sending unit...
need to find some good fuel resistant epoxy to seal up the wires and I might be ready to drop the tank..

Whats the general concessions about exhaust next to gas tanks?  I know on some euro stuff the exhaust runs via a notch through the tank almost..  Im either being overly cautious or paranoid about heat now..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on June 12, 2016, 03:05:10 PM
Vent the tank and worry about it when it's a problem?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 12, 2016, 03:31:21 PM
tank vented.. its a problem..

Almost ever since new, I have been getting pump cavitation and shut down..  will re start 5 min later
Howell points to vapor lock or FP cavitation..  My external pump is higher than it should be..  also knew that since day 1.. thought i would get away with it..

I think the road heat and height of the pump is making it susceptible to cavitation and vapor lock..

my first plan off attack is putting the pump in the tank.. keep it Low and out of the way of any road heat
some muffler and pipe shielding..

last resort.. move the fuel lines to the other side of the frame  :(


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/In%20tank%20pump/IMG_2982_zpso0kpfm7z.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/In%20tank%20pump/IMG_2982_zpso0kpfm7z.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/In%20tank%20pump/IMG_2983_zpszj4ssvdo.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/In%20tank%20pump/IMG_2983_zpszj4ssvdo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on June 12, 2016, 03:40:25 PM
If your fuel pump is in the tank, your heat issues should vanish and exhaust placement should become irrelevant unless pointed right at it.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 12, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
Ever point a temp gun at the tank? I forget what the vapor point is, but it’s low.

If the tailpipe runs tight to the tank a heat shield may help tank temps. Once under pressure it should be fine though.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 12, 2016, 05:27:28 PM
did you ever driver around in the summer with the gas cap off the tank like i told you to do




vents or filtration clogged or EMS issue.   call bs on heat or cavitation
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 13, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
yes..
Drove around last summer with cap off and vents open to atmosphere..  same shut down problem
went through all the trouble of installing factory vent system/purge canister, etc...

my first experience with it this year was driving down to you.. at the exit off the hwy I had an engine shut down.

my next most noticeable one was driving up to carter on a hot day..
2500 RPM 70 MPH and dies..
pulled over made a few calls, engine started right back up... had a couple of engine surges on the rest of the trip.
(took ghetto route home to avoid the hwy.. no issue)

same happened to me going to get take out in Perrington..  died on 490 after doing 70 for a bit..

Sat I took my oldest around the neighborhood (again hot day) pulled into a friends driveway and couldn't restart for a few min..

one drive it has never happened on was out of the garage in the AM to the office...

I have a FP gauge at the TB.. during these waiting periods I don't hear the FP kicking on with key power and there is no pressure @ TB.. I never loose electronics, radio doesn't die, and no CEL.

My pump is currently mounted rather high for an external pump.. I always knew this could be an issue.  Other CJ5/6 people who run a Howell told me to mount to frame rail first before going in tank..  I figured if I'm moving it.. I'm doing it once.
There really isn't an out of the way place on the frame rail.. and my exhaust runs on the driver side..

I haven't tore into this yet if you think there is a more viable solution.
when I called Howell they kinda sent me down this path...  to move the pump, saying that in tank is best if possible..

what do I know.. I only sell parts.. I don't design them  ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 13, 2016, 09:21:29 AM

I have a FP gauge at the TB.. during these waiting periods I don't hear the FP kicking on with key power and there is no pressure @ TB.. I never loose electronics, radio doesn't die, and no CEL.



howell has a 14psi spring/ball pressure regulator like a GM TBI? (or it is a GM TBI?)  you dont hear the regulartor popping open or you dont hear the fuel pump running?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 13, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
yes.. 12 PSI is optimal (or so they say)
I'm right around 12/12.5 when running.  Its a regular GM TBI unit..

correct.. no fuel pump prime and nothing from TB during these waiting periods...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 13, 2016, 02:05:25 PM
what controls the fuel pump?

I think the wrong tree is being barked up if there's no activity from the fuel pump
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 13, 2016, 03:27:10 PM
ECU I assume..
key goes on... pump goes on....
has a solid ground...

something is stopping the FP from doings its job..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 13, 2016, 06:44:27 PM
Even if it is airlocked it will make noise.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 16, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
I'm fairly confident this is why my fuel gauge wasn't working..

Gas tank out and in last night..  should have hooked up and fire tonight..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/In%20tank%20pump/IMG_3023_zpsx9jufp28.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/In%20tank%20pump/IMG_3023_zpsx9jufp28.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 17, 2016, 09:41:33 PM
Back on the road. 

Initial drive around town resulted in no issues so far....   Cool night

my fuel gauge for what it's worth is fixed....
 >:(  omix  >:(
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 18, 2016, 09:34:18 PM
Fuel delivery seems to be resolved..
Some more local driving and no issues. 

Steering tightened up immensely.. finally have a good amount of preload on the top column bearing.. possibly too much.. going to play around with torque.
Horn contacts all double insulated.. used electrical tape to replace 40 year old nylon insulation.

I caved.. 5 scotchlocks used... if the dash ever comes off or the driver seat is out again Im going to go there and clean up a bit.  All lights and switches working..  Damn good feeling.

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_0001_zpsaeooerr3.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Gas%20Tank/IMG_0001_zpsaeooerr3.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Wiring/IMG_0008_zpsma7l6rdb.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Wiring/IMG_0008_zpsma7l6rdb.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Wiring/lighting/th_IMG_0002_zpshk8ugwhi.mp4) (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Wiring/lighting/IMG_0002_zpshk8ugwhi.mp4)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Seats/IMG_0007_zpsrmk9nggi.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Seats/IMG_0007_zpsrmk9nggi.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Seats/IMG_0004_zps8dzyckdz.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Seats/IMG_0004_zps8dzyckdz.jpg.html)
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Seats/IMG_0006_zpspl7qsq2b.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Seats/IMG_0006_zpspl7qsq2b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on June 18, 2016, 09:49:01 PM
Awesome!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 18, 2016, 11:25:53 PM
Sweet harness bar
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 01, 2016, 08:50:07 AM
well smike may have been some kind of right...

Had another 2 shut down last week after moving the fuel pump..

first was after the short 7 min trip to office on a cold engine
second was after an even shorter 300 yards on a very cold engine..
Very uneventful... stop light and within 1 light cycle I was able to re start and continue on way home..

the first time I was able to pull out of traffic and really pay attention to what was going on with truck.  Major change is FP was sending prime pulse and I saw pressure build on FP gauge.
Waited a bit, fired and went on my merry way.

Spoke to Howell and updated on the issues..
Pointing fingers to ICM or distributor pickup..
they have heard of these going bad interminably, even when new

Sourced a NOS ICM from the dealer.. also got a NOS pickup coil off of eBay..
Took distributor out last night and replaced with a "better made" New unit.. I have not had good luck lately with Cardone parts and I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater :)  Swapped drive gear and timed the engine last night... waiting for ICM to arrive before testing again..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 12, 2016, 09:59:05 AM
NOS pickup coil and ICM installed...

went through a full tank of gas without incident.. 

its going to be 95 here tomorrow.. if it can survive that, I think I'm golden..




turned my attention to some more practical issues...

the console lid hitting the cage just had to stop..


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG_3281_zpsxqnt1ycd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/IMG_3281_zpsxqnt1ycd.jpg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG_3282_zpsfjgalo1m.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/IMG_3282_zpsfjgalo1m.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 12, 2016, 01:49:32 PM
construction has started on the hardtop....

for those of you who have/had open are jeeps with hardtops..

what's the 1 or 2 things you would have changed from the stock setup?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on July 12, 2016, 02:05:11 PM
Ability to remove windows, both side and rear (aka safari style?). Give you the soft top adaptability without the flapping.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 12, 2016, 02:19:25 PM
light enough you can move!  too heave and fragile! 

good front upper seal
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 12, 2016, 02:42:06 PM
Ability to remove windows, both side and rear (aka safari style?). Give you the soft top adaptability without the flapping.

HUGE sliding side windows already in the works


light enough you can move!  too heave and fragile! 

good front upper seal

anything is lighter than the steel option I currently have..
supposedly these tops are very weather proof... the pre 75 jeep however may not be  ::)
the windshield frames on these jeeps are basically glass holders.. very little weather proofing there..


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 18, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
What color?
having a hard time deciding on just going with black/white or something else..
any input greatly appreciated at this point...


Top and doors in theory don't have to match...
My jeep is bellow and some examples of CJ5 hardtops posted for reference...


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG_2572_zpsgvdfsgwi.jpg)

(http://www.jeep-cj.com/gallery/files/3/6/2/rallyetops_cj5.jpg)

(http://www.jeep-cj.com/gallery/files/3/6/2/acme_cj5.jpg)

(http://www.rallytops.com/images/testimonials/eric-russell2.jpg)





 




 




Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on July 18, 2016, 09:31:01 AM
I vote classic black or color match blue in that order of preference.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on July 18, 2016, 12:22:04 PM
I'd do top,  doors,  and tub in that same blue color of the front clip.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 18, 2016, 02:45:07 PM
if it were all blue, white would be the only option for a top...

kind of the way I'm leaning...

this hour.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2016, 01:25:39 PM
progress

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/IMG_3827_zpsizz7rmys.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/IMG_3827_zpsizz7rmys.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 21, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
Stretching a factory 7 lid?


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 22, 2016, 08:11:25 AM
stretching a 72-75 CJ5 aftermarket essentially..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 27, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
some more progress on the top

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_4015_zpsjrfenxwp.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_4015_zpsjrfenxwp.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2016, 11:49:45 AM
glass installed..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/IMG_7857_zpsoca9vvvd.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/IMG_7857_zpsoca9vvvd.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: matt on July 28, 2016, 12:08:49 PM
I know where you were last night.  lol

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/mattmey/NCM_0763_zpseymddkd9.jpg)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2016, 11:28:42 PM
Kinda hard to miss.  Where you wearing the floppy safari hat???   Friend of mine too the picture of a couple of guys claiming al over it
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2016, 11:34:48 PM
Send that picture to Rochester spotted on Instagram.   

You are the 4th person to text or message me about last night.   
I had 2 notes on the truck and and offer to buy
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on July 29, 2016, 08:41:42 AM
I saw you on east ave yesterday lol
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: matt on July 29, 2016, 09:12:40 AM
Kinda hard to miss.  Where you wearing the floppy safari hat???   Friend of mine too the picture of a couple of guys claiming al over it

Nope, not me.  Looked at it quick on my way out and snapped the pic.  Looks great.  I like the rub marks on the cage.  Gives it character.  Not just a mall crawler....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 05, 2016, 12:07:55 PM
its official now that its been rained in!

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/IMG_3501_zpsvbhl7our.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/IMG_3501_zpsvbhl7our.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 05, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
those seats!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 11, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
Top arrived and sitting in my warehouse waiting for install..




(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsuvnrjlvi.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsuvnrjlvi.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsc3ngvzk9.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsc3ngvzk9.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsjy3r8vcx.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsjy3r8vcx.jpeg.html)




(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsnsg91dmd.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsnsg91dmd.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsbdndckr5.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsbdndckr5.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsg0xj4sms.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsg0xj4sms.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsdxoaegod.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsdxoaegod.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsg6hsnism.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zpsg6hsnism.jpeg.html)

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zps9nxvk5ag.jpeg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/image_zps9nxvk5ag.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 11, 2016, 11:57:58 AM
very cool work.  bet that cost a kid
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 11, 2016, 12:13:16 PM
very reasonable..
compared to LJ or CJ8 tops... plus this came with doors..

I'm going to have to remove the spare tire brackets to get the top mounted.. might need to modify that slightly on where it mounts..
the carrier is for a CJ7/YJ so its taller than the early jeep tubs..

Cage looks good for fitment..  threw a tape on it yesterday and I should be good all-round..

Need to change plugs and fluids this week for the rest of the season.. this Jeep will sleep @ carter this winter while I pay around with the YJ...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on August 11, 2016, 01:33:54 PM
Looks like quality work!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 11, 2016, 01:54:39 PM
choice work, can't wait to see it up close. looks like it will do the rest of the rig justice.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on August 11, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
gas tanks look bloated, vent 'em a bit  ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 22, 2016, 10:51:57 AM
Hardtop fitment, take 1

Top sat on the Jeep very nicely.  Much to my surprise I had no cage fitment issues with the exception of the front latches.  Even my side bump outs tucked nicely up in the corner.  Doors had no fitment issues either as they were help up to the door opening.

The windshield latches wanted to occupy the same space as my 2" windshield tube.  Going to remove the latches and figure out another method of securing.  Might be able to outboard from the cage...

Going to have to work on my windshield angle as well.. Im a little too vertical at the moment, need it to come about 1/2 - 3/4" more back.  Going to work with the doors and shave my rubber seal down to get it to mesh.

I'm really pleased with the fitment of the rear and tailgate section.  The cat flap has a molded seal that does a nice job sealing the back.  As expected, tire carrier will need to be adjusted and new brackets fabricated.  I should be able to incorporate the lower bolt hole to make something that works.


(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3625_zpspakicglp.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3625_zpspakicglp.jpg.html')
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3629_zpstvllbqvu.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3629_zpstvllbqvu.jpg.html')
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3628_zpsk5mnxiql.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3628_zpsk5mnxiql.jpg.html')
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3627_zpsqythsqwx.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3627_zpsqythsqwx.jpg.html')

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3623_zpsohmsdpst.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3623_zpsohmsdpst.jpg.html')

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3630_zpsxwqagid8.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3630_zpsxwqagid8.jpg.html')

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3622_zpsbqy5kl5t.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3622_zpsbqy5kl5t.jpg.html')
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3621_zpshjapmndh.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3621_zpshjapmndh.jpg.html')

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3620_zpslb0hhhkf.jpg) (http://'http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/Hard%20Top/IMG_3620_zpslb0hhhkf.jpg.html')
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 24, 2016, 09:02:49 AM
Ok team,

Had another shut down this AM

Had a little notice this time... Or at least I picked up on it.
about a min before, or less, there was a slight engine hesitation.
Engine cut out.  Pulled over used my now functional hazards, and sent a few texts.
2 min later fired roght up and ran like a raped ape the rest of commute.

Clueless at this point.  Almost accepting it

 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 24, 2016, 11:22:28 AM
need data to answer
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 24, 2016, 10:41:29 PM
Another sputter and die this evening.
Happened right after a short jaunt on a groomed road and a raised manhole.

Truck got bounced around a bit...1/10 mile later on smooth road had a hesitation and shut down...
Hesitated on acceleration, came back, hesitated and died.
Radio and lights stayed on uninterrupted.
Pulled off to the side, had fuel pump prime, restarted under a min after.

Checked Howell... No codes

What kind of info can I provide?   What can I do to diagnose? 
I'm leaning toward electrical, can't be chassis harness... Howell ground?
Ignition related?  Doesn't sound like ICM. Those usually work or don't.

Frustrated. >:(


 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 24, 2016, 10:50:46 PM
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/howell-tbi-ignition-issues-1567716/

Hmmm
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 25, 2016, 08:37:01 AM
another couple hiccups this AM...

all with almost immediate restarts possible.
had hesitation, I pegged throttle and "worked through" the stalling.
Stalled out, rolled to side of the road and was able to almost immediately restart.
started back and noticed I had a little tach bounce, stalled before getting onto highway.. immediate re start
stalled again once on hwy a few moments after.. restart and no continuing issues the rest of the commute.


calling Howell this AM.. I cant imagine this is a failing pickup coil or duraspark..
Im still not convinced its fuel related.. and shy of putting a FP gauge in the cab how would I be able to tell is fuel supply is getting cutoff..
intermittent ground or short is what im thinking.. and prob in the Howell harness at this point or some common link between howell and stock ignition
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2016, 09:44:53 AM
put a fuel gage on the hood, that would have been my first action lol


even a cheap HF one with flex hose and zip ties
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 25, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
put a fuel gage on the hood, that would have been my first action lol

even a cheap HF one with flex hose and zip ties

Howell still blaming ICU or 10% chance GM box

assuming I had a gauge...
what would it show me I don't already know?   (devils advocate here)
when the engine dies it doesn't have fuel... I loose tach signal so the Howell doesn't sent fuel
when I turn Jeep back on I hear the FP pulse (not initiated by tach signal)   

Troy (@Howell) told me how to check for fuel pulse when I get a shut down..
he even admitted it will be tough to do..  have to disconnect white wire from tach and tap with test light to + battery terminal to replicate distributor action..

I have a NOS Mopar box.. might throw that on tonight if for no other reason shits and giggles..  with an independent ground?
I want to re route my howell "white wire" to a better place where it might not get interference from heat or RF..

hate to try this.. but smike, you guys have any OE duraspark boxes from parts Jeeps?  might try and oldie but a goodie..





Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2016, 10:24:55 AM
hardwire the pump to an aux switch


eliminate fuel question with switch and gage.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 25, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
can we work down both paths here..

if I'm loosing fuel its locking somewhere or vent issue (already vented) or like you said many times, gas cap off while driving

if I'm loosing ignition or signal the 12psi would remain constant and there would be a problem with one of the boxes..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on August 25, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Does the tach go dead? Running off the same wire, no?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 25, 2016, 11:48:57 AM
I did and sometimes do get a tach bounce..  Howell said that could be a function of some RF interference and doesn't always indicate something wrong.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 27, 2016, 03:06:42 PM
WWSD
(what would smike do)

driving today and had a thought..
is the Charcoal canister (gas tank vent) getting vacuum?

tank has been less than half full since last shut down, without me changing anything
un confirmed, but if shut downs occur after fill ups, or when more than half full...  all boils back down to improper vent...

Need to read some more on the CTO valve and operation.  would also explain periods of high temps if EGR valve not kicking in..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 27, 2016, 06:32:38 PM
what's EGR?
loose/missing tank cap not yet tested?
if it is improper venting, I expect that you'd see fuel pressure slowly drop until the stumble/stall.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 27, 2016, 10:13:42 PM
Exhaust gas recirculating ...  Purge on cansiter is t'd into it..

I'm not going to change much around and fill up tomorrow...
See where it goes from there...

Put manifold vacuum to the canister today and runs like it has a vac leak
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 28, 2016, 09:13:44 PM
Confirmed CTO valve function with ported vacuum @ temp.
Filled up, gona run it tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 29, 2016, 11:32:17 AM
Might have finally had a complete failure!!!

Engine warm:
At stop light dies..  Immediate restart
Dies a little bit down the road, hard restart
Drives rough, no restart in parking lot of valley club.

Going to work out and then revaluate

I'm kinda hoping it stays dead....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on August 29, 2016, 11:38:41 AM
I'm kinda hoping it stays dead....

Don't hear that very often  :P
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 29, 2016, 11:43:14 AM
OBDII is not looking so bad.....
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 29, 2016, 12:20:51 PM
Have you ever pulled the fuel cap immediately in these cases to see if that clears things up?

Certainly seems full tank related


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 29, 2016, 02:58:08 PM
I'm kinda hoping it stays dead....

Don't hear that very often  :P

I needed it to die so I would stop chasing ghosts..


Worked out for 45 min.. went out to lot again, tried to start.. nothing.
had lunch, went outside again, status quo..
got a ride back to office, grabbed a module off the shelf and took MJ back to rescue CJ

CJ fired on first crank with new module, loosely grounded..
took MJ home, grabbed tools, got a ride back to CJ and all of 5 min later Job was done...

back at office with a fine running CJ.. MJ to Scotty's for a sticker it needed anyway..

chasing this thing for 3 months, possibly longer..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 12, 2016, 12:57:13 PM
with a functioning Jeep I focused some attention on the hardtop..

Started playing around with the cowl gasket this weekend and took it down with a belt sander..
I was able to get a better rake on the windshield, but might have lost some sealing ability.
I'm going to have to do a fresh seal with a scalpel and not a butcher knife..
top calls for 70 3/4" measurement for an intermediate CJ5.. I went ahead and figured 90 3/4" for a CJ6

there is still some play in the windshield to move forward or backward, so I think ill be ok here..
Doors seemed to fit ok (angle at windshield) .. hard to tell again until the top is on.

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 21, 2016, 08:55:44 PM
getting there...

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 24, 2016, 05:44:35 PM
finally got the hardtop mounted using some truck cap clamps.  I think I'm going to use these vrs. drilling the top.  Seems to be a nice tight fit and a fairly easy to remove.
Much like the original Meyer top a filler piece is needed to completely seal the A pillar. 
Seems to be an nice tight fit, can't see any daylight through the seam.
Used some shims to get proper alignment of the doors to the top. 
Keeping in mind there is a slid latch on the rearward side.

Took several measurements and a couple deep breaths to drill into the tub for the hinges.
overall happy with their placement and more importantly their function.  Doors seal well and latch properly..
I didn't drill the other 2 holes yet, (or the driver side for the matter) I wanted to leave enough adjustment if the first car wash ends up being a bath..  Made out amazingly well with the interior map pocket to roll cage clearance...

I have some better ideas for hinges and hinge color or treatment... (body blue or galvanized steel)  the cheesy black omix pieces are not doing it for me..

Need to do drivers side and some work on the spare tire carrier arms..

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: jacel86 on September 24, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
The white is growing on me. First glance I wasn't a huge fan,  but that is one beautiful machine.

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 26, 2016, 01:56:58 PM
successful lunch hour not wasted eating.. ;)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on September 26, 2016, 04:36:58 PM
looks great
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: carchameleon on September 26, 2016, 07:44:33 PM
agreed, looks awesome
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: dubt on September 26, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
I like the white top on that blue look great.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 26, 2016, 08:58:32 PM
my happiness about this overshadows the fact the Rover is down and the YJ is PITA.
really happy the way it came out and much better than a plain jane soft top.

Need to change finish of hinges..  thoughts on that?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on September 26, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
Any color other than white on the doors is going to really stand out.  I would coat the door half white and the tub half blue.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on September 26, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
Not sure how blue will look against the doors but it’ll look right against the tub for sure.

Color match the door half of the hinge and blue on the body half? Probably way  un-kosher and would look weird anyway.


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on November 01, 2016, 09:12:56 PM
http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/jeep-built-a-modern-cj-6-and-it-looks-incredible-1788440903

Seems I'm on the cutting edge of retro
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: cracker on November 02, 2016, 07:50:26 AM
I still think yours is much better.. just something about that one just does not fit.. not sure if it is the bubble hood or the square cage, something just seems out of proportion
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on November 02, 2016, 09:41:30 AM
WEIRD HOOD IS WEIRD!
I'm not a fan of that cage at all, either. Otherwise it looks nice.... But nowhere near nicer than the unit discussed herein.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on November 02, 2016, 11:30:56 AM
Orange. That is all.  ;D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on April 26, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
Still eating ICM....
Been thinking about it this winter... need to try a resistor and check what I actually did.
Started digging into the wire harness to identify ignition circuit as wired vs as diagramed...

Coil is correct of electronic ignition
Interweb has suggested resistor...


Need to paint tire carrier from smikes "adjustments"
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on April 26, 2017, 10:44:49 PM
i swore lots at that thing.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 15, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
Weather tested!!!!
had some SIGNIFICANT rain and hail this past weekend...
have to report I am very pleased with the tops performance and fit..
not a lot of wind noise @75 mph (above a healthy V8) and fogging was really minimal.
doors are hard to see side mirrors out of and I don't have a rearview because of the height of my spare tire.
Kids loved it... they were like caged beasts back there..

There was some pooling on the front foot wells.. I cant really determine if its from the "A" pillar door jam or the windshield seal I had to sand down.. either way, not much of a concern for anything shy of torrential downpours.  I will be adding a floor drain or 2 since the fully welded and lined tub could easily be a rowboat..

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/IMG_1603_zpsqstzlzka.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20Hardtop/IMG_1603_zpsqstzlzka.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 15, 2017, 11:41:23 AM
on a more sobering note...
took me 6 months to finally get in there and install a resistor...
in theory this is why I was chewing up ICM's...  thought that ghost was gone until this weekend..
when I went to pull truck in garage I had a no start... ICM again..
Going to spend some time with a voltmeter and wire diagram tonight... cant possibly see what's wrong.. 

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20troubles%20and%20tribulations/IMG_1548_zps6gyoyidd.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20troubles%20and%20tribulations/IMG_1548_zps6gyoyidd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 31, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
resistor wasn't dropping voltage enough
took one from a 64 CJ5 and it seems to be doing the trick..
Voltage at coil ~ 9.5v..
could prob play with the timing a bit.. but running well..

Need USB outlets

also need to address lack of underbody protection if for no other reason than its a Jeep and it should have a skid plate.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 19, 2017, 07:54:20 PM
little more update...

had another box failure..
decided to play around with placement in the engine compartment since heat seems to be this things worse enemy...

Driver side box was mounted on firewall.
its a bit busy over there with the coolant and washer bottle, charcoal canister, etc...
Tub is aluminum so there should be a adequate "heat sink" effect, unless airflow is restricted and the V8 manifold is shedding too much. (plus exhaust runs on that side of the vehicle)

I mounted another box on the inner passenger side fender.
Much less equipment on that side of the truck.

first test yesterday on 95 deg heat was promising..
Un connected (not running) box on drive side firewall was 123* deg
box on passenger side fender that is currently powering the vehicle was 106* deg.

that's a significant difference especially since there was no load on the hotter box..
Time will tell


Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 21, 2017, 08:51:21 AM
Drive out to Egypt last evening...

Driver side (inactive box) @ 135 deg
Passenger side (connected box) @ 106 deg

driving today as well....

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 21, 2017, 08:19:04 PM
my luck today...

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee343/rejeep/CJ6/CJ6%20troubles%20and%20tribulations/IMG_1831_zpsdtzep1tj.jpg) (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/rejeep/media/CJ6/CJ6%20troubles%20and%20tribulations/IMG_1831_zpsdtzep1tj.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 22, 2017, 12:01:28 AM
how did you manage that one lol


weld it? 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 22, 2017, 09:49:17 AM
this one even blows my mind..
ordered a new one from Novak.. will end up fixing this one as a spare..
everything I found online relates to top cover issues, not canes snapping...

was simple enough to diagnose, fix and limp out of the way.. Leatherman to the rescue!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 22, 2017, 10:24:37 AM
crap, i wasnt thinking if you needed to borrow the one out of my plow truck to get you rolling i could have grabbed it for you. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 22, 2017, 11:41:31 AM
appreciate it.. Put the FC to use and strapped that thing home..

even under tow I got Jeep waves and few thumbs up...
Novak didn't ship last night, but should have a new cane tomorrow AM..

I really could have driven it home in 3rd gear, but a friend of mine wanted an "experience"
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 22, 2017, 11:42:51 AM
on the plus side I don't have to use the pump to change the fluid tomorrow..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M on June 22, 2017, 02:09:17 PM
What the hell am I looking at?  What broke?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on June 22, 2017, 02:44:24 PM
T18 shifter.  its a top load that sticks in and twist snaps to the transmission.  the part broken with the ball on the end is what moves the forks in the trans.  that needs to be connected to the stick to shift gears :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 25, 2017, 08:33:16 AM
Quick little addition over the weekend..
Need some more storage that isnt in the center console..
Thinking about a tuffy trunk as well, but wanted a slide out drawer for under the driver seat..
wish it was a little bit deeper and wider, but there is still room for a tool bag tucked next to it..

Need to work on getting these all keyed alike

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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on July 25, 2017, 10:49:13 AM
Had one in the Rubicon, perfect for wallet and sidearm.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 25, 2017, 11:03:49 AM
I was thinking wrenches and an ignition box... ;)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 31, 2017, 08:54:10 AM
little update on the ignition box gremlin issue...

make a very long story short..
The ignition module ground (black wire in harness) grounds through the distributor.
The distributor is in fact grounded via the distributor hold down clamp...
I created a secondary ground from the vacuum advance screw to the engine block. 
4 tanks of fuel later and no issue...

note to self:  don't powder coat distributor hold down clamps...  ::)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on July 31, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
Ready for AOAA wheeling?!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 31, 2017, 09:41:55 AM
thats odd, so since it probably has a cork gasket under it, it was trying to find ground though the drive gears / oil pump?  hmmm
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 31, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
exactly...


I hope
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
that's a great find! what a pain!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: etk300ex on July 31, 2017, 01:25:10 PM
Its always something so stupid!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 30, 2017, 01:32:40 PM
just ranting.. but I'm done with shitty aftermarket parts.. 

little more homework this weekend..  looks like a MSD ignition box is in my future..



Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on September 19, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
Chrysler ignition box installed last night...

Chrysler ignition, Ford distributor, AMC motor, GM fuel injection system.. ::)

Jeep runs like a raped ape now..
snappier throttle response and easily bolted on 20 HP  ::)

removed the hood to cowl seal and im getting a bit more air draw out of the engine compartment..


time will tell..
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 25, 2018, 04:20:21 PM
This thing looks insane on the highway! Nice!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2018, 07:57:42 AM
Believe it or not it’s a great hwy ride..
It’s been a pleasure to drive...
Where was I?  Been all over the place lately.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2018, 08:57:02 AM
Coil has been good?


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2018, 09:49:31 AM
It’s been smooth, functional and reliable.

Not to jinx anything, I’m still tweaking..
Been playing with tire pressure and I have a vibration at 30/35mph..
I’m assuming it’s due to solid mounted everything, but I’m still touching everything again..

Engine runs warm.. not a bad warm, but a custom fan shroud would be nice eventually..

Still not addressed:
AC Charge
Re galvanize hood hinges
Washer pump

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2018, 10:18:11 AM
Driveshaft angles? Or improper yoke clocking? Just my first suspicions.


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Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2018, 11:16:51 AM
going to check both
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 26, 2018, 02:21:46 PM

Where was I?  Been all over the place lately.

590s at 490. Hoggin in the left lane!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 15, 2018, 05:53:08 PM
Spectacular weather and driving lately...
harshly interrupted yesterday..

Had a couple shut downs while driving the past day or so...
Fuel pump cut out..  didn’t hear it prime with an ignition cycle.
Was able to restart within a few seconds/min of waiting.
Howell suggested relay...

Fun...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on June 30, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
Regular maintenance lead to this discovery..
I knew this was on borrowed time... sad thing is it happened on pavement.   Sections of East Ave. are like downtown Baghdad.

(https://preview.ibb.co/m7O2rd/855_C6_F48_3_CC6_473_D_82_DF_9_F62_AD3_CF5_E7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jS4Wjy)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mAmYxJ/E80_B7647_2_D3_D_47_E7_AA3_B_639_D7_E5_EF66_E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jNk44y)
(https://preview.ibb.co/bu26HJ/5_A30_C9_E5_6847_419_A_A7_BF_BC438_FCDA112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n5LtxJ)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 16, 2018, 08:23:36 AM
Good enough

(https://preview.ibb.co/knrnry/F852_BA62_97_BE_4_EB1_91_D4_EA95973_AB49_F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cKKwjJ)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on July 16, 2018, 09:09:23 AM
Better than OE!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 16, 2018, 10:12:55 AM
grind the rivets off, have these galved, bolt on with galve hardware

https://www.morris4x4center.com/crown-upper-shock-mount-bracket-805635.html 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 16, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
Already on that plan...
Arrived UPS this morning...
Easier to trim and reinforce the mount on the bench.
Winter project...   want the truck to drive while it’s nice
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 16, 2018, 02:07:42 PM
I would have to weld nutserts in the frame...
blind hole with the boxed front section..

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 16, 2018, 03:23:50 PM
swap it for my 49 for a day or two and bring it back with a sticker i would have done it for you :)
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 16, 2018, 10:33:48 PM
swap it for my 49 for a day or two and bring it back with a sticker i would have done it for you :)

That could be doable
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on July 16, 2018, 11:30:12 PM
any time let me know.  its too fun to drive.  electric wiper conversion kit in the mail.  not even sure it needs wipers to pass, otherwise all good. 
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 17, 2018, 05:57:52 AM
I can get a sticker on a rickshaw if needed
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on July 21, 2018, 02:46:27 PM
Spectacular weather and driving lately...
harshly interrupted yesterday..

Had a couple shut downs while driving the past day or so...
Fuel pump cut out..  didn’t hear it prime with an ignition cycle.
Was able to restart within a few seconds/min of waiting.
Howell suggested relay...

Fun...

New computer installed.. so far so good
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 11, 2018, 05:40:28 AM
4000k mile service
All new fluids, grease, coolant, heater core block off and a 180 deg Tstat.
The new Tstat brought engine down to “normal” operating range.
I got tired of looking a gauge creep up to 210-215 at times, although totally normal for AMC’s.
Running on the hwy yesterday at 80mph barely made the gauge hit 195 (the previous Tstat)

To culminate the achievement, the fuel pump relay finally crapped out in my driveway.
It was perfect... got home with the family and truck died in driveway.
Little diagnostic time and a jumper wire lead to faulty relay diagnostic...

I had the old Hella relay in the garage and swapped that out meantime.

Where were these relays mounted in stock applications? (GM truck) When I asked Howell about possible engine heat killing these they told me “it gets hot in the desert.”  The unit that failed was an aftermarket part.  Ordered a few Hella and Delco units last night, just wondering if I should move it all off the firewall.  What else could make these fail?  I think there are only 2 grounds in the loop, fuel pump and main harness.. will clean both as well...

There is something to say for the simplicity of a Carburator..



Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on August 11, 2018, 06:55:49 AM
Almost all drivetrain control relays are mounted in the main fuse/relay box located in the factory GM engine compartment.

The pump motor must be getting hot to make that current draw grow to the point of relay failure. I had similar issue with my cooling fan at Big Dogs this year...
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 11, 2018, 08:12:18 AM
These are remote mounted relays, not like the later fuse block mounted ones.
So basically external heat your saying is not a factor?

Pump is in tank... where and I going now?
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: Wingman on August 11, 2018, 08:42:32 AM
The fuel should be keeping the pump plenty cool. Hmmm...

Bigger relay?  ;D
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2019, 03:09:54 PM
Haven’t really driven this much this year.. weather was crappy beginning of the spring and I have the Rover I have been putting shakedown miles on.

When I pulled it out of storage it was very hard starting/idle and there was a pop with a backfire...
I felt it was low on power, but I chalked that up to feel after driving a low geared dauntless in the Rover.

So I got it detailed and polished and when I started driving it home the temp gauge was running hot and wonky...   down a gallon of coolant with no leaks...

Make a very long story short... Intake manifold gasket gave up..  turned this around in smike time, had 1 night in the garage in between work trips..

(https://i.ibb.co/ZhMYXhw/A600-B0-E5-E8-D0-468-C-B4-CE-6-CD5-E29-E80-F6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dQ5LMQ3)
(https://i.ibb.co/KXp8b5j/5-B123363-24-C5-4-FA9-A7-D5-D731857-FF4-E1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bt5YcfV)
(https://i.ibb.co/9yRjP8y/3-DC09378-1-D85-4757-9-AA5-2-CF25106-B07-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zPKwdnP)
(https://i.ibb.co/bPJKYnR/C6-A91165-969-F-4-ABE-917-E-C0-BB51-FAD92-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f2vxZ7G)

Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2019, 03:11:38 PM
I was also able to find and eliminate the biggest gremlin and general PITA Ive had ever since this trust was built...

long explanation..

*UPDATE*

I like to post updates to persistent problems in hope it could spare somebody the same aggravation.

Since "new" I have had some underlying issues with the ignition/fuel injection system.
without going through all the details the 2 second version is I would experience random shut downs either while driving or at idle.  Sometimes it would fire right up after a min or not.

After swapping out the Duraspark module for a Mopar Orange box I no longer had any ignition trouble, but still random shut downs.
end of last year all signs pointed to the fuel pump relay possibly giving out, and I had not experienced another issue until yesterday.

Yesterday while running some errands the truck shut down at several traffic lights.. I would be idling just fine and then nada..  wait a min (a very long min in traffic) and it would fire right up.

I made it home after errands and picking up the kids.  It was shutting down on me more often than not.. it was finally failing with enough consistency that I felt good about diagnostic and finally nailing this..

I let the truck idle in the driveway until it shut down...  thinking it was the fuel pump relay I bridged the relay for constant 12 volts and let it idle..
engine shut down...  GREAT.. not the fuel pump relay

while sitting with the ignition switch in the 'RUN' position I observed some pulses on my Fuel pressure gauge, but nothing constant.
I don't know what tempted me at this point to wiggle the connections on the ballast resistor, but I did and i was able to replicate the pulses of the fuel pump.  Turned the ignition off for a min and turned key to "ON" and I got a solid pulse from the fuel pump and I was able to fire the truck.

I'll cut to the chase now..

In my dealings with the Duraspark (frying them constantly) I was told to throw a ballast in there to hopefully keep it alive longer..
The Howell computer has a "tach filter" in their harness that steps voltage down to 5 volts for the ECM trigger (taken from the - side of the coil)  Howell gets a full 12 volts from their supplied fuse block connected to an ignition on source.
What I think was happening is the ballast resistor would step the voltage down before going into the coil, coupled with the tach filter in the Howell harness the ECM wasn't getting enough signal to trigger the computer.

For right now I have the ballast resistor bypassed.  A full 12 volts going to a correct internally resisted coil (electronic ignition) and things seem to be happy.  I have a snappier throttle and so far no shut down from the Howell system.  I'm carrying a spare coil at the moment, but I feel like I finally have this licked.

Moral of the story for people that scrolled to the bottom looking for a picture..
too much resistance = too little a signal for fuel injection
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2019, 03:13:03 PM
Now for the fun stuff... 8)

FINALLY taking the kids wheeling.. and finally getting myself out of the office..

This truck is Catskill Jeep Jambo bound...
Starting prep work this week.
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: mr.mindless on August 12, 2019, 03:45:26 PM
I really hope that's a final fix!! Long road
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: M4wdFab on August 12, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
welcome back
FLX picnic this weekend if you need a shake down attica trip!
Title: Re: 1973 CJ6
Post by: rejeep on October 27, 2020, 11:07:48 AM
happy to report 3000 miles on the Jeep this summer
commuting back and forth from Canandaigua helped.

no issues other than a persistent T18 input seal leak...