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Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 10, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
over the last few weeks in the shop i have been picking at little things that are hosed from 2 years of racing this pile. its currently 10yr wreck wheel status, but soon ill have to make the decision to keep or not, regardless it will get race prepped. 


Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Wingman on January 10, 2012, 08:33:05 PM
... its currently 10yr wreck wheel status...

Explain please...  couple different meanings come to mind.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 10, 2012, 11:06:04 PM
in its current state, i could bolt the seats back in, and throw the tins on and wreck wheel it for 10 years
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: rejeep on January 10, 2012, 11:32:25 PM
I'm with mark..   Still foggy on your meaning..
You mean recreationally wheel?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: carchameleon on January 10, 2012, 11:51:00 PM
yes, smike doesn't care about spelling online, haha
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on January 11, 2012, 09:42:13 AM
wreck wheeling is a pun picked up from last minute motorsports (aka Miller)
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Wingman on January 11, 2012, 10:14:15 AM
I like and use the "wreck" wheeling phrase.  Seems applicable to many of our rides.  I love some of our puns.  Just didn't know if you meant that it looks like it has been thrashed for 10 years or if it's ready to go for another 10.  Or both.

Good to go.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on January 11, 2012, 10:31:38 AM
I consider wreck wheeling to be a step or three above rec wheeling - which is a sunday family trail ride.

Like you Mark I didn't know if it meant past or future tense.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 11, 2012, 01:03:57 PM
i supose you are correct.  it looks like it has been wreck wheeled for 10 years, but it could be wreck wheeled another 10. 

yes, wreck wheeling is a few steps higher than rec wheeling    :)
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 16, 2012, 11:20:10 AM
in talks again for solid knuckles, copperhead sway bar, new wheels... bah
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 16, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
Front axle is on the welding table for some work...
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Nick on January 16, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
This thread sucks!!!!
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 17, 2012, 09:16:59 AM
top side of all front link brackets got rebuilt and gusseted.  started adding material back to the bottom of the diff...   so glad i just pulled the axle....
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on January 17, 2012, 10:33:24 AM
Want to change springs while its apart?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on January 17, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
do you have them in stock and what is that gona cost?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on January 17, 2012, 12:13:32 PM
No stock, will have to order correct rates. Let me know what you want to run. I think its got 200/300 on it now.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on January 17, 2012, 12:14:29 PM
The 2,5 coilovers are on schedule so far. Looking at getting them here first week in Feb.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 01, 2012, 09:14:44 AM
In talks with Jamie at Method for some 17" beadlocks and their race team pricing....
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: dubt on February 01, 2012, 09:23:07 AM
i like those nice wheel choice
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 01, 2012, 09:32:20 AM
I need 5 as well, so get a good price on enough for me too.  ;D
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 01, 2012, 10:28:13 AM
they have a BJ Baldwin wheel lol



Hoping to get prices back today, i sent her a little blurb about race accomplishments and 2012 -2014 plans, with some pictures as she requested to eval if i fit in her program.


im guessing the will be spendy, 8x6.5 need to be machined custom from blanks. 
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Nick on February 01, 2012, 01:48:55 PM
Ballllaahhhhh
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: GBR928 on February 02, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
Sick bro I'm glad I brought the company up! I hope things work out! 
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 02, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
i got accepted into one of the race programs.  prices arent really great, still about 325 a wheel
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: cracker on February 02, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
still about 325 a wheel

compared to what??
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 02, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
I am in secret talks with someone, please stand by.  ;D
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Nick on February 02, 2012, 06:53:44 PM
still about 325 a wheel

compared to what??

326
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 02, 2012, 08:04:13 PM
KMCs 225 a wheel, monsters 250,   i dont have race prices on WalkerEvans or TrailGear
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 05, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
god a missed a v8.  the buggy likes the new shop parking lot :)


571 is back 95% service.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 10, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
eh?

http://rochester.craigslist.org/pts/2841393692.html

worth anything?
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on February 10, 2012, 10:46:01 PM
Sounds like Rywan's same, right?

Ally head I that's the case, correct? Temperature discipline would take practice.
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 10, 2012, 11:36:03 PM
Mostly the same. I think it would be cable throttle and a little less HP

High miles. With trans maybe worth the $500
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 12, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
ha, i just realized the address of my shop is my car number
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: etk300ex on February 12, 2012, 10:07:08 AM
No way
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Nick on February 12, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
it was just meant to be!!!
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 12, 2012, 03:06:27 PM
571(1)
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 12, 2012, 07:01:06 PM
new window nets came in this week.  need to grab some 3/8" rod and come up with a plan soon
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: cracker on February 13, 2012, 08:29:00 AM
ha, i just realized the address of my shop is my car number

I noticed that when the flx meeting notice went out..
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 13, 2012, 11:32:17 AM
Method wheels- thanks for letting me know in the 7th email waste of my time you wont have blanks till end of March...


what a freaking joke
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on February 13, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
It's amazing how much they all suck.
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2012, 11:47:07 AM
New raceline vendor? :-/

http://www.rc4x4.org/rcforum/index.php?topic=16324
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2012, 01:13:44 PM
maybe


i just sold my spare set of sticky krts
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 15, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
Mike at DandD has been helping me out on things, and I help him when possible. I may be able to get a nice deal, tell me what you want and i will ask him a price.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2012, 01:37:52 PM
need 5 monster locks for 8 lug chevy, id like the deeper back space of 5.5, but 100% sure he will say they cant get them and say they only have 4.5    with new arms i probably have to go that way anyway, and will just get a set of spacers to run the TSLs   

Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 15, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
Do I need the same backspace?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 15, 2012, 01:51:32 PM
Looks like a 4" and 4.75" backspacing are listed in the catalog.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
H2's are 5 5/8" so a 4.75 should work for you. 

ill be driving over my trailer fenders, with 4" probably you will too
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 15, 2012, 03:01:32 PM
Ok, then 4.75 it is.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 25, 2012, 02:43:51 PM
Looks like its time for a new shaft too.

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431065_2733081732856_1431668677_32024188_1722411834_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: rejeep on February 25, 2012, 02:55:01 PM
facebook?
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on February 25, 2012, 03:15:31 PM
Overdue.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2012, 01:54:56 PM
highly overdue.  on of the red climbs out of cemetery got me.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
This should do it

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOM-1026-Mild-Steel-Tubing-3-5-OD-375-Wall-21-Lg-/330537334781?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf58f77fd#ht_500wt_950
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: Ryan on February 26, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
Wont something that heavy destroy your output and pinion shafts?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 26, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
i dont think there will be any issues


Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: orange anchor on February 27, 2012, 08:32:33 AM
Smike think about the spinning mass of that tubing,  call OEM he got the right stuff in stock.
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on February 27, 2012, 09:04:10 AM
.250 is the thickest I'd go and really should be plenty.

I broke parts when I had a .180 wall shaft before I damaged the tubing.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: orange anchor on February 27, 2012, 09:10:13 AM
at race speeds too thick of drive shaft will destroy the u-joints and pinion bearings.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 27, 2012, 12:09:26 PM
im not really understanding the physics behind that, assuming the shaft is relatively balanced....


I can build it myself for less that what it costs me to drive out there twice in diesel and lost work time  :/    i know he makes good stuff, its just really hard for me to make it happen.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: orange anchor on February 27, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Smike I think it has to do with centrifigual force.  Force= mass * acceleration. nothing is ever perfectly balanced therefore what is out of balance should weigh the least possible.  I am not pushing OEM, just made a suggestion. 
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: etk300ex on February 27, 2012, 04:50:50 PM
It can't be half as bad as a square shaft
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on February 29, 2012, 11:26:31 PM
should be close enough

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOM-1026-Mild-Steel-Tubing-3-1-8-OD-375-Wall-24-Lg-/330543703851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf5f0a72b#ht_500wt_950
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on March 01, 2012, 01:03:27 AM
I still don't love 0.375" wall.... But overkill is the best kind of kill, right?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 01, 2012, 06:42:48 AM
yes.   Gona see if they have anything at SMC loose, if not just gona order that.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: GBR928 on March 01, 2012, 12:57:10 PM
Only problem with beefing up the shaft that I see is that it moves your weak point somewhere else. Def will hold up better to being ground against rocks and whatnot though!
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: etk300ex on March 01, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Only you jeep people need to build in weak points :P
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: rejeep on March 01, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
rather have a weak point and know what it is than live and wonder how weak a vehicle I am driving
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: etk300ex on March 01, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
That's a glass half empty statement if I've ever heard one
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: rejeep on March 01, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
 ;D
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on March 01, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Pinion or output will snap. That's easy :)
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 01, 2012, 06:42:43 PM
no way a 14 bolt pinion is caring, you might round off the yoke ears on rocks but not much else.  Never herd of a 205 failing in any way so im not worried.


i got 400lbs or so of steel, got some pieces of tube for driveshaft, but not sure ill use them, not a nice fit, a little loose.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 01, 2012, 06:54:52 PM
solid knuckles, highsteer arms, caps in the mail....
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: orange anchor on March 02, 2012, 08:07:35 AM
Smile what you doing old knuckles I got a chevy frt 60 I might want to convert
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 02, 2012, 11:30:15 AM
I think these are going to stay with this axle for now, probably building a second housing...
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 03, 2012, 11:01:04 PM
HD

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Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: gif on March 04, 2012, 01:07:41 AM
so is that .375 wall?
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 04, 2012, 08:06:46 AM
they had a bunch of 3" something thick wall HREW at surplus in 30" drops.  not as thick as i wanted but i made it work, and 100$ and a week shipping sounded like a hassel. 

also found a 6' chunk of the 2.5" 095 wall that it was that i grabbed.
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on March 04, 2012, 08:44:32 AM
Hrew? We'll see... I'm not betting against this one though.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 04, 2012, 05:13:04 PM
the last 095 shaft was HREW.... not like it matters when its that thick anyway
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 05, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
wheel spacers ordered again to fit TSL's with new knuckles... need to decided on wheels for the KRTs this year for racing.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2012, 12:40:40 AM
4 TSL's slimed!
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2012, 07:58:51 PM
the TSL's are Full throttle mud bogging southern buggy air holding machines!
Title: 571 overhaul
Post by: mr.mindless on March 11, 2012, 08:10:41 PM
Old news except the air part. That's good new news.
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
i owe jeff some lumberjack repair time :o
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: gif on March 12, 2012, 07:44:38 AM
the TSL's are Full throttle mud bogging southern buggy air holding machines!

They are impressive.     I guess my Iroks are only good for the rocks now.  You could see how much better Ryans new Iroks were working.


Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: orange anchor on March 12, 2012, 08:36:42 AM
572 is a legend, how can a $100 motor turn 6,000 rpm for that long and never blow up. 
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 12, 2012, 10:01:12 AM
i didnt look at the tac once ha
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: orange anchor on March 12, 2012, 12:24:51 PM
Udy once said his foot was faster then any rev limiter, that was 2-months before he blew up a $7,500 custom built 454 for one of his blazers.  Love watching your buggy run wide open.
 
Title: Re: 571 overhaul
Post by: M4wdFab on March 12, 2012, 01:05:30 PM
i honestly dont think you can hurt them for what i do it it.  that motor is solid!