Post by: M4wdFab on April 19, 2019, 06:04:45 PM
got keys today.
3k still held from owner but it should be resolved soon when they remove items fully from property and not just dump them off the back of the property lol
Will be looking for some help before the meeting next week maybe to sweep out the barn. hoping to get lights up tomorrow first to be able to see what we have.
chip stopped over and i think i have a plan. found 150amp pannel in barn (unknown panel in house with lots of breakers but no main breaker?
Post by: gif on April 19, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Post by: Wingman on April 19, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
found 150amp pannel in barn (unknown panel in house with lots of breakers but no main breaker?
Could be that the house is run as a sub-panel from the barn or there is a main breaker/disconnect elsewhere between meter and panel?
Post by: M4wdFab on April 19, 2019, 09:50:47 PM
only 2 breakers in a big pannel at the barn with a 150 on top.
need someone smarter than me to come over. would like to sub another pannel to up stairs inside barn or move the pannel entirely (but i dont see a way to kill power to it between meter....
first trip to lowes only 400$ haha. tomorrow the fun begins! few things for the house and get some lights up in the barn.
looking at amazon prices for 4 unit kitchen kit i think the appliances are getting tossed. broke the fridge in 4 places trying to wipe it down... 2K done stainless nice shit: fridge, washer, range, mic
Post by: Wingman on April 19, 2019, 10:06:39 PM
wires from street to house are BIG. only one set of wires going to the barn. looks like street to house to meter and then it splits from meter to basement and back up to top of house to barn.
only 2 breakers in a big panel at the barn with a 150 on top.
need someone smarter than me to come over. would like to sub another panel to up stairs inside barn or move the panel entirely (but i dont see a way to kill power to it between meter....
I'm not very smart but I'd be happy to help with an electrical plan after May 1 if no one else is available before then...
Post by: mr.mindless on April 20, 2019, 08:51:34 AM
I'd suggest giving yourself the 5% discount that buying that crap on a Lowes card gets you. Or the 0% if you want to stretch it out for any reason.
I'm busy this weekend (my parents today and meeting Sarah's fam tomorrow) but I've got time from Monday on.
Post by: Nick on April 20, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 20, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
I headed over in the morning and got started on lights. chip came over and raked and wheelbarrowed out about 12 loads of hay and crap (literally shit animal shit) as fast as i could light another section!
then he blew out the entire floor walls and beams! holly shit looks like a real barn now with many of the smells gone.
got a metal pile and a wood burn pile
Nick Pearl stopped over (and lent a bunch of tools) and planted a new layout idea in my head that i think i like!
house got two new door mats, a screen door piston fixed, and brett brought out an unwanted table and chairs for a first furniture addition!
Post by: M4wdFab on April 20, 2019, 10:21:25 PM
Post by: rejeep on April 20, 2019, 10:37:59 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 21, 2019, 05:07:11 PM
Post by: Ryan on April 21, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Post by: M on April 22, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
Post by: etk300ex on April 22, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
Post by: carchameleon on April 22, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
On Wednesday do you need help loading/unloading or trucks/ trailers?
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2019, 05:49:24 PM
probably get a few trucks and trailers moved over out of the way so i can start just crating crap into totes with the Forklift
Chevy and the spare ranger are ready to go over to storage, along with buggy and brolite to empty out my enclosed.
someone with a trailer ball also can grab the RTI ramp inless someone else wants it
Post by: carchameleon on April 22, 2019, 09:09:45 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 23, 2019, 10:55:30 AM
4 crates loaded up last night from shop. shop!
Post by: carchameleon on April 23, 2019, 01:50:38 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on April 23, 2019, 02:49:38 PM
i think its a 1 7/8" i might have one but not sure.
4 crates loaded up last night from shop. shop!
And that didn’t make a dent. Lol
Post by: TrailTamer on April 23, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
I’ll like to take the ramp.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 23, 2019, 10:59:32 PM
would like to just grab some big weird stuff like cherry pickers / band saw, press, ect just to get it out of the way.
Ill be over at old shop by 3:30. if i leave earlier ill post up here. trying to take a half day but have a lot going on tomorrow.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2019, 08:41:23 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 26, 2019, 09:55:59 PM
picked up a lightly used couch sectional set from my aunt, and a washer from lowes. still waiting on dryer store to store delivery.
packing more at shop tomorrow moring, then heading over with a few trips.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 04, 2019, 11:31:47 PM
shop 95% done, apartment 80% done
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2019, 09:29:38 PM
round 1 against my apartment oven internals went surprisingly well. need to get another 12 yr old can of the good oven cleaner!
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2019, 09:36:25 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 07, 2019, 11:39:56 AM
128 ton of gravel being delivered today
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2019, 12:04:30 PM
Post by: luvmyxj on May 07, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
Post by: carchameleon on May 08, 2019, 11:15:34 AM
Post by: M on May 08, 2019, 01:13:39 PM
What mower did you get?
he posted on fb. it's a beaut
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 12:47:44 PM
gravel work done. 98% what i wanted and turned out great.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
PTO clutch got replaced
i also conveniently won the raffle from Saturdays open house and got some kind of power equipment as a prize. lol
Post by: etk300ex on May 09, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: carchameleon on May 09, 2019, 03:16:09 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 09:25:02 PM
Post by: M on May 10, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 10, 2019, 11:41:20 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 10, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
new washer and new dryer installed tonight at the new house!
also tried a small 4x4 spot in the barn with sand and polyurethane in an attempt to seal up and fire proof the wood floor in the heavy work area that is going to be soon.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 13, 2019, 08:30:59 AM
got my bedroom 90% set and unpacked a really nice set of kitchen dishes that my aunt gave me years ago. freshly washed and packed by my mom last week!
5-6 loads of laundry done at the new place.
slowly getting organized after the bulk of the move.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
Barn has 150 amp panel, has a 30amp 220 breaker, and two 15amp breakers for lower lights and upper level service outlet.
need to source wire and panels to run a 100amp sub panel in the main barn upstairs, and a 60? amp sub pannel in the small garage? or?
plan is to have JJ or Mark run sub pannels with service outlets / main barn lights then, insulate, then run conduit and breakers as needed later. little garage will just get service outlet.
100amp pannel with main because more than 6 breakers?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N01TMQE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
ground bar?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ZZGTT4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
small garage panel no main?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7MS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
o boy.
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 12:03:11 PM
Pack of one $76, pack of two $338. That's a great deal haha.
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 12:14:16 PM
Eaton or Square D Homeline is fine, no need to get expensive stuff. If existing panel is something different, there is no need to match other panels to the main.
If Lowe's/Home Depot/Amazon don't have what you need, don't be afraid of the electrical shops.
Also, I'd defer to JJ but I'm certainly willing to lend a hand.
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 12:23:53 PM
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
100A feeder 3-#2, 1-#8EG Copper or 3-#1/0, 1-#6EG Aluminum
60A feeder copper: 3-#6, 1-#10EG CU or 3-#4, 1-#8EG AL
Residential wire is weird where it sometimes counts the ground and sometimes not, so be careful if you order. I assume you'll use Quadriplex URD wire, Direct buried. I don't do much residential, JJ or Mark can chime in on that.
Post by: gif on May 14, 2019, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:06:30 PM
So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.
this was the part i didnt get- what are pass through or feed through lugs? relevant in this case? do you need the 100 and 60 amp breakers, or not?, if so, put them in the panel, or put them at their sub panels as mains?
only reason i ask is getting to the 150amp panel is a long walk around the building and least convenient.
if it was easy, id rather that panel just moved inside upstairs, but that needs national grid involvement bah.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:16:53 PM
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
Feed-thru or sub-feed lugs can be used to feed another panel of the same amperage. Such as you could feed another 150A panel from you current 150A panel with no breaker.
power goes street to meter then splits to house panel (some sketchy 60amp main?) and back outside up the house to 2 poles over head to barn then along the side of the barn to its own 150 amp panel (newish and good) that only has 2 or 3 breakers in it though
Wha?
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
Yes, you'll need breakers to feed the new panels. The smaller wire must be protected.
ah! thats what i couldnt make sense of. understood now.
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 02:22:48 PM
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 02:27:35 PM
Post by: gif on May 14, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
So the 150A is not fed from house? It splits two ways after the meter?
thats the part i dont get :o
Post by: mr.mindless on May 14, 2019, 02:51:05 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
two subs off the 150 in the shop and evaluate the house panel is the way to go.
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 03:12:29 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 05:29:55 PM
on house, left is street feed, right goes to barn.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 07:27:08 PM
removed about 40 birds nests all vacant.
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
Post by: luvmyxj on May 14, 2019, 09:02:30 PM
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 08:46:22 AM
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 09:13:15 AM
Cable going to barn looks pretty small for 150A?
Is it the same (whitish) colored cable that we see at the weather-head terminated in the house panel?
You need a main or maximum 6-handles per code. The 6-handle rule may not even apply to residential I'd have to look it up.
Whats that unterminated, stripped wire chillin at the bottom? Clip that off.
Who made that sweet panel schedule? Don't tell me it was home inspector?
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 10:12:57 AM
Do you suppose they ran the barn wire back up the conduit from the panel?
sMike, you might want to start thinking of starting over right at the house...
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
Get that sketchiness out!
Post by: gif on May 15, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
If your occupancy plan is >5 years, think about long term effects of having sub-par electrical.
IF the feed wire from the utility pole to the meter is rated for 200A.
1) Upgrade feed wire from meter to house panel and the panel to 200A
2) Upgrade the meter to 200A
3) Do away with the split node to the barn
IF feed wire to barn is rated for 150A.
1) Bring wire into the house 200A panel with dedicated 150A breaker
2) Upgrade barn panel to larger 150A panel to support ALL current and future needs.
You have a generator that you can use to operate “must haves†while reworking the electrical.
I think your quote of “doing something right the first time never exceeds the cost of redoing something many times poorly..†(or something like that) applies.
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
You could feed the barn wire from the meter box and put another 150a or 200a main panel in the barn instead of making it a sub panel off the house.
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 11:13:11 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 15, 2019, 11:20:16 AM
hey you cant have everything right with a house lol
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
National Electric Code. After your meter it must be terminated at a service disconnecting means at the nearest readily accessible location. You cant have a service disconnecting means at 2 separate locations.
Can be overridden by the electrical inspector of course.
Post by: luvmyxj on May 15, 2019, 01:04:07 PM
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 01:08:14 PM
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 01:23:44 PM
Post by: M on May 15, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 15, 2019, 01:52:50 PM
adding 2 sub pannels off barn, done
for 50-100$ on ebay you can record KW usage on a non resetable 10 year life unit. still not convinced i want to deal with morons on my property for rental
you guys are worse with home projects than truck projects lol
Post by: cracker on May 15, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Utility will not allow one residence to have two services.
I have a separate service for my barn.
Post by: etk300ex on May 16, 2019, 08:49:08 AM
Curious, do you have to pay the fees for each meter?
Post by: cracker on May 16, 2019, 09:24:13 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 16, 2019, 08:35:43 PM
man! i was going for sub 30 min! dammit!
my free echo commercial string trimmer is pretty sweet! i hate trimming but looks way cleaner. maybe trim every two or three mows. meh.
Post by: Wingman on May 16, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
Post by: rejeep on May 16, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 16, 2019, 09:15:16 PM
Need to do my hedge. It’s getting outlandish.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 16, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
cant get my sweet microsoft MN-500 to spit wireless. connects to devices but with errors. nothing in the base station management tool that is useful. bah.
Post by: Wingman on May 16, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
Post by: cracker on May 17, 2019, 07:39:40 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 17, 2019, 09:23:25 AM
Post by: M on May 17, 2019, 11:12:58 AM
We chuck them in the trash. Not even worth scrap.
Post by: M on May 17, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
Yours for $75. Works fine. No longer using it because I have a mesh network in my house. I think a mesh network actually is a better option for you - might have enough power to transmit signal to the barn with mesh APs, depending on distance. between the two APs
I have this, and would recommend it for anyone looking at mesh wifi: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/linksys-velop-tri-band-mesh-wifi-system-1-node-2-plug-in-3-pack/6292290.p?skuId=6292290
Post by: M4wdFab on May 17, 2019, 10:30:02 PM
3 smart tv's it way easier wireless lol
Post by: M4wdFab on May 17, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.
100A feeder 3-#2, 1-#8EG Copper or 3-#1/0, 1-#6EG Aluminum
60A feeder copper: 3-#6, 1-#10EG CU or 3-#4, 1-#8EG AL
2-2-2-4 AL no good for 100A? thats kinda what Amazon suggests is...? 175' of 2-2-2-4 AL direct bury for 221$ and that would do all i need for the 100 and 60 amp subs.
need to identify breaker type in current barn panel. otherwise have a good cart going for all materials to upgrade house and add 2 subs to barn panel.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 20, 2019, 05:46:41 PM
small garage pannel
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NOAVTIA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
will this 60amp breaker work as a main and fit this pannel? i cant seem to find a pannel with a 50 or 60 amp main in it....
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7N1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
current cart is about 1300$ and 32items. amazon for life!
Post by: luvmyxj on May 20, 2019, 06:16:13 PM
Post by: etk300ex on May 21, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
need to just verify 2224 AL is OK for 100amp. i think i will never be near using 100amp and it will never need to be made bigger. most of it will be used for bury under ground to feed the 60 amp in the garage.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2019, 08:41:09 PM
100% moved out of shop and shop cleaned. one more trip for outside garbage and transmission pile from shed, snow plow.
light is near!
Post by: Wingman on May 22, 2019, 08:22:26 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 22, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
Post by: etk300ex on May 23, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 23, 2019, 09:56:45 AM
Yes, 2-2-2-4 quadruplex AL URD is rated for 155A when direct buried. Rating of wire depends on the insulation, configuration, routing, etc...
weird, could not find anything with rating when buried. but the buried part will just be the 60amp feeder. the 100amp feed will just be in the barn (about a 50' run.
Post by: Wingman on May 23, 2019, 10:02:05 AM
You need a main or maximum 6-handles per code. The 6-handle rule may not even apply to residential I'd have to look it up.
Checked with the boss yesterday and learned something new. Turns out that each of those circuits at the top of the panel are "main disconnects" but there should only be a maximum of 6 double pole breakers and no single pole. The spaces below are meant for individual 110v circuits. I guess it used to be a thing...
Post by: M4wdFab on May 23, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
ugh! relief!
Post by: etk300ex on May 24, 2019, 08:15:31 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 25, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
read through all these bs settings and just will not connect fully. lame.
ready to just send back my cable modem and everything, just use my phone. will stream 3 devices with zero issues.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 25, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
so stupid
Post by: mr.mindless on May 25, 2019, 11:43:05 PM
Who is it? Gotta be spectrum right? Been an age since I had to give a care about consumer internet service. Yuck.
Glad it’s fixed. That would have taken me a goodly while.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
those were the only 2 must do's on the house, time to build the shop :)
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2019, 03:42:39 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2019, 08:09:40 PM
Post by: Wingman on May 27, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2019, 10:33:46 PM
keep smoking the E0 train though!
Post by: Wingman on May 28, 2019, 07:57:09 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 28, 2019, 08:33:53 AM
I only put e0 in my fuel cans when I’m home. I do abuse that on the road though. I have plenty of things that probably don’t love E. If I could drive equipment with a >2 gal tank to fill though, I’d forget about it!
Post by: M4wdFab on May 28, 2019, 09:12:11 AM
new sump pump installed
pantry crawl space cover removed and inspected
front porch stairs and railing post replaced / rebuilt
3 courses of shingles removed and replaced / top cap replaced pantry roof
Pantry cabinets and trim gutted to walls
lawn mowed
shop table lumber unloaded
2 loads of debris to dumpster
Post by: M4wdFab on May 28, 2019, 10:20:25 PM
2 pulls puts like new. 10 minutes of idle, electric start charged up enough to work.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2019, 07:55:21 AM
ooof cant wait to see that shock
Post by: luvmyxj on May 29, 2019, 09:36:55 AM
Post by: etk300ex on May 29, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2019, 10:56:53 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
pallet racking nocked down and loaded by 4:45
all unloaded at new place by 5:30
10 pairs of hands or so made it super quick and easy!
racking in great shape, lift is awesome. got some good pallets and some sweet roll around shelve carts! nice!
Post by: M4wdFab on May 30, 2019, 06:26:57 PM
apartment keys to be returned saturday!
Post by: M4wdFab on June 01, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
just need to call next week to confirm RGE is off and im DONE.
100 lbs of sand and 10 gallons of alum oxi poly to seal up the shop side floor. time for tables and lifts. picked up another van chassis for stock this morning. lets do this!
Post by: M4wdFab on June 01, 2019, 10:38:55 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 02, 2019, 10:37:15 PM
truck load of garbage to dumpster.
wegmans, lowes, liquor store run while i was in Henrietta
visit from JJ and Girl
electric service install started tonight. shop panel mounted and plan formed. 100a and 60 a breakers installed in lower shop panel. All materials on hand to get after it tomorrow.
Italian hot sausage on the grill
1 gallon of round up applied around property
mowed
Visit from Nick and Raina
3 loads laundry.
formed a plan for new bathroom plumbing while folding laundry. i guess i need to amazon some stuff for that haha
that's Sunday.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2019, 11:11:58 PM
didnt die.
so i have a sub panel that now has a ground that goes to no where other than the pannel shell. does it need a ground rod?!? wtf
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2019, 11:14:24 PM
at my sub box, neutral is comon with main box neutral but ground goes no where..... other than the pannel. (pvc conduit and wood mounted)
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 09:56:45 AM
so i have a sub panel that now has a ground that goes to no where other than the pannel shell. does it need a ground rod?!? wtf
False, it goes to the ground of the panel that im feeding from to share ground.... so there would be no point to run a 4th wire if i added a ground rod for the sub...
lots of bad info and its amazing how many people think they know things lol.
JJ says i am good with no rod, going with that
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
Quote
Grounding for Sub Panels
A second panel or sub panel should have the neutral and ground terminals or bars isolated from each other, this is why the main circuit feed to the sub panel must have 4 wires, with a dedicated insulated wire for the neutral and a separate wire for the ground.
All the ground wires bond back at the main panel together with the neutrals.
The sub panel neutral bar or terminal should not be bonded to the enclosure or the ground of the sub panel. The sub panel ground should not have a ground rod tied to it.
The bonding for the main ground sources such as a ground rod is made at the main panel where all the grounds are bonded together as well.
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:05:48 AM
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:07:14 AM
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:08:11 AM
google saysQuoteGrounding for Sub Panels
A second panel or sub panel should have the neutral and ground terminals or bars isolated from each other, this is why the main circuit feed to the sub panel must have 4 wires, with a dedicated insulated wire for the neutral and a separate wire for the ground.
All the ground wires bond back at the main panel together with the neutrals.
The sub panel neutral bar or terminal should not be bonded to the enclosure or the ground of the sub panel. The sub panel ground should not have a ground rod tied to it.
The bonding for the main ground sources such as a ground rod is made at the main panel where all the grounds are bonded together as well.
yes
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:10:20 AM
In a properly designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where it will move to the neutral wire via the neutral-to-ground bond, up to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker, tripping the breaker.
In an faulty designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where because it does not have a neutral-to-ground bond, the current will be forced through the ground rod, into and across the earth, and up the utility ground rod and in to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker. The resistance of the earth is almost always to great to allow sufficient current flow to trip the breaker, and you end up with a steady-state ground fault, that never trips the breaker, and this is a hazardous situation indeed. You cannot use the earth as a conductor.
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 11:54:58 AM
Lou Levy owns and runs an electrical company? Pretty much everything he said is incorrect.
Post by: luvmyxj on June 05, 2019, 01:04:27 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
some reference weather the sub is within the same structure or not, weather a metal building / concrete. i dont know- did some code change?
we use to race with lou, he is the resident facebook troll when anything electric comes up. its comical. i would have figured he to be pretty up to date with current regulations.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 01:25:03 PM
The neutral to ground bond and ground rod will be at your main panel only. Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the
yes i have this.
Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the neutral bus of the main panel.
this was initially confusing to me, because in the main pannel the ground bus and neutral are the same bar basically. JJ said to hook the sub neutral as close as possible to panel neutral, and the sub ground as close as possible to the pannel ground (lead that goes to ground rod), which i did. even though its the same bar 5" long.... seems silly.
Post by: mr.mindless on June 05, 2019, 02:04:35 PM
In an faulty designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where because it does not have a neutral-to-ground bond, the current will be forced through the ground rod, into and across the earth, and up the utility ground rod and in to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker. The resistance of the earth is almost always to great to allow sufficient current flow to trip the breaker, and you end up with a steady-state ground fault, that never trips the breaker, and this is a hazardous situation indeed. You cannot use the earth as a conductor.
cool, there's a name for what's up in my house.
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 02:15:47 PM
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 10:43:47 PM
4 sections of pallet racking assembled on cold side. it will get a 5th section there, but decided to think on which end. i almost like the gap at the main door to stick my mower. so instead of how i planned i think another section is going on the far end by the cars.
3 remaining sections will be on shop side with 4x8 tables under two sections with only a high shelf for storage and task light support, with a 3rd section having 4 close shelves for small shop stuff / tools / parts / supplies. 3rd 4x8 table with be in center end in front of the lift.
Post by: Wingman on June 06, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 06, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
i have a shop to build you morons and this is holding me up if im going to insulate now is the time. bah.
Post by: luvmyxj on June 06, 2019, 07:46:22 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 06, 2019, 10:00:14 PM
almost bought 2400 square feet of 3" foam board tonight. needs a little cleaning and a couple pieces would be junk, but there was enough there to do my roof. JJ has a 38' man lift i could borrow. roof beams are 4' apart. they would latch in and just need one side fastened. 150+ 4x4 sheets......
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2019, 09:09:36 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 07, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 08, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
feeling a little overwhelmed but toughing it out. insulation, wiring, get lift in, place shop. 2nd spray foam guy over today for measurement. buffalo foam board guy has a bunch of 2nd 2" left. be another 6-700 in materials and id have enough for 3" roof 2" ceiling. total cost under 2k comparted to 10-15k spray.
need to research vapor barrier and whats up with my install if any issues to just slap board up and go. lots of shit info on web thats confusing.
running wire in conduit? thhn stranded or solid? 10gage white, red, green for 220 welder outlets, lift power, compressor powers. 12gage white, black, green for lights, regular power outlet. all panel breakers are 220 30amp or 120 20amp. steel EMT, steel boxes ect. 1/2" and 3/4" EMT throughout. JJ approved of my 100amp sub install.
Post by: TrailTamer on June 10, 2019, 08:47:39 PM
Conduit if exposed. Personally conduit it all; minimize damage from shop activity, rodent eating off insulation, etc.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
lowes pickup tomorrow:
300' conduit, 2 benders, all kitchen appliances
wire, clamps, plugs, switches 3 day lowes shipping
amazon 100' wire fish pull
here we go pretend to be an electrician part 2
Post by: M4wdFab on June 11, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
Front porch no longer a spring board. appliances unloaded. (need help for fridge and range from barn to kitchen sometime lol)
i have no idea about decks or rules, but that's what i came up with. took a bottle jack and lifted the deck about an 1" past where i want it in the fall figuring stuff will settle, sag, shrink ect. meh
Post by: M4wdFab on June 13, 2019, 09:00:57 PM
even more impressed at my pump lift. thing is a beast. was able to lift and manually move assembly away from truck on wood floor. just had to block and re lift on the ground because the supports lined up with tires, no big deal. 5 min unload or load.
Post by: mr.mindless on June 14, 2019, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 14, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
guy said it was 1000lbs or so, im guessing its north of that but less than 2K. lift rated for 3300lbs.
Post by: etk300ex on June 14, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 14, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 15, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
scissor lift is awesome. spend almost an hour looking for my battery charger though :(
Post by: M4wdFab on June 16, 2019, 10:31:58 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 17, 2019, 03:04:09 PM
getting to the point im ready to add some task lighting to the shop. couple 50 or 100 watts over work areas and add two more 200 whats on the lift bay end should do it!
Post by: M4wdFab on June 19, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
should have 2 bendpack lifts on the way tomorrow. Dannmar factory back ordered till August. booo..
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
picked up all the PVC to rough out drains for 1st floor full bath today. cutting in to the 4" main this weekend!
anyone have good or bad to say about this shark bite push connect stuff? seems pretty slick but i have no problem at all sweating in more copper...
Post by: Wingman on June 20, 2019, 08:23:40 PM
However, SB fittings are easy and fast...
Post by: luvmyxj on June 20, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2019, 09:31:47 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2019, 10:43:05 PM
fridge or range better not be damaged the same. :-[
Post by: mr.mindless on June 21, 2019, 08:29:47 AM
only bad is the price @ $10 per fitting,My thoughts exactly.
Excellent for limited access too.
Smashed side is stupid. Was hoping it would be hidden.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on June 21, 2019, 12:46:44 PM
Post by: carchameleon on June 21, 2019, 09:01:27 PM
I know spencer uses it also for his stuff, i think he also uses a crimp tool too
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2019, 11:18:52 PM
toilet flange roughed in.
cut into 4" sewer main and tapped a 3" run in for added sewer, added another clean out.
couple you tube videos im going to tile in my own shower. should be fun and 500$ cheaper even picking up a cheap tile saw.
have all materials to have everything pressurized and drained tomorrow, and shower base roughed in. then hard pack, aqua sealer, then tile. done.
Post by: carchameleon on June 22, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 22, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
toilet in (got wrong flex hose)
vanity in (need one more elbow for drain)
shower drain in place, ready for some creative construction then, barrier install then bunch of tile.
fix some wall issues and paint or tile more.
not bad for 1.5 days so far!
Post by: Nick on June 23, 2019, 07:51:12 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 23, 2019, 09:47:16 AM
i think i may have failed and not included any venting in my PVC sewer circuit. need to research that.
Post by: luvmyxj on June 23, 2019, 01:25:36 PM
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sure-Vent-1-1-2-in-x-2-in-ABS-Air-Admittance-Valve-160-DFU-Branch-24-DFU-Stack-39018/100140686
Post by: M4wdFab on June 23, 2019, 10:12:17 PM
3" toilet to main
1.5" sink
2" shower
Post by: luvmyxj on June 24, 2019, 12:28:01 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 24, 2019, 11:19:47 PM
still not finding a good solution for a vent. it def needs one. sucking and gurgling through the vanity drain right now when your flush the toilet.
got the shower base half ruffed in and first coat of mud on the big wall issues tonight. should be laying down the shower membrane tomorrow night. and ready for tile soon.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 25, 2019, 10:41:16 PM
shower base roughed in tonight and first coat of aqua defense put in around the drain interface. i think its going to work well. tile and supplies on hand.
i think i just met my 1000$ or less full bath goal with all materials on hand minus some fittings an the vent.
Post by: mr.mindless on June 26, 2019, 08:40:09 AM
Post by: KingtheZJ on June 26, 2019, 10:34:00 AM
those vent cheaters have worked well for me.
If you need, I have guys for:
HVAC (just installed central air for $1900 total)
Roofing / Siding
Post by: M4wdFab on June 26, 2019, 10:49:06 AM
changing the sink drain to add a vent will be 30min and 20$ to try
i did HVAC install for 3-4 years so im good there. might do AC next year. Furnace is a 2yr old 95% so good there.
Electric was my major weakness but i have fumbled through that now and good!
i havent worked on houses for about 15 years but i did a bunch of tear out and remodel on my moms houses.
Post by: luvmyxj on June 27, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 27, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 27, 2019, 07:06:07 PM
deleted outlet from shower area, just wire nutted blacks, whites grounds together respectively. did it hot. may have herd a pop but not sure. now i have no power to kitchen ceiling light/fan, back stairs hall light or upper outlet behind range that fridge was plugged into.
no breakers popped on the panel......
Post by: M4wdFab on June 27, 2019, 07:19:56 PM
reset and all good haha. good to know. odd layout.
Post by: etk300ex on June 28, 2019, 11:11:05 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 28, 2019, 12:41:28 PM
shower outlet deleted!
its hot
my power has gone out like 5 times this week, must be summer grid issues.....
Post by: mr.mindless on June 28, 2019, 01:03:12 PM
surprised I haven't seen a NYSEG notice requesting reduced electrical loads yet today.
Post by: etk300ex on June 28, 2019, 01:17:45 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 28, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
6 coats and a roll of fiber tap, i was ready for tile today. took about 3 rum a cokes to decided on the way i was going to do this and well this is what i ended up with for a start.
Post by: M on June 30, 2019, 11:40:14 PM
That shower looks tiny, but photo can be deceiving.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2019, 07:16:17 AM
its super hard to take a picture in a small bathroom haha
its cozy but fine. shower head got put on that wall because the other wall is an exterior wall and i didnt want that.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
home for work.
run to Freds garage in Scottsville, pay for international that got a sticker during hours today. dont swap because i need RAM tonight
back home. move 48 enclosed and equipment trailer to other side of garage out of lot
prep old Lift and get stuff on a pallet for CL buyer coming tonight.
rock bounce fork lift out of the first floor shop, drive up the road to high side driveway entrance
rock bounce down driveway to concrete pad. only loose one fork on the way, but dont get stuck.
53' low boy shows up as CL guy shows up. bah!
do paper work and load and unload both in about 10 minutes.
3700lbs is heavy for 2 bendpack 10k lifts. about all my forktruck wanted to lift in N with gas on lol
53' leaves, load CL with old lift done deal.
transfer new lifts to ram one at a time, unload in barn with fork jack
rock bounce fork truck back to lower barn and actually not get stuck!
run Ram back to freds for inspection tomorrow, and swap out for IH
food
im tired!
Post by: M4wdFab on July 03, 2019, 09:44:13 PM
ready for a little more groute then sealer then done.
paint- i hate painting. waiting on that.
finally cleaned all the dust out of my kitchen with no more tile and drywall cutting bah!
found exactly the beams i need on FBMP, hoping guy answers and going to run down to PA tomorrow or fri to pick up.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2019, 08:54:36 PM
seems expensive and i need to swap a breaker and a welder outlet in, add another 20 amp breaker.
id like to mount this box or similar outside the barn, feed from existing 200amp pannel in lower barn. swap the 50amp for a 30 amp welder 220, break the 120 outlet into 2 20 amps and add that breaker. would be good RV power and welder power out in the lot then.
bah.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 19, 2019, 11:15:22 PM
i have shit ton of work to do in the next 12 days. hope this knee keeps cooperating lol
Post by: M4wdFab on July 24, 2019, 09:40:26 PM
she brough me lots of presents to the shop tonight!
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2019, 11:51:29 AM
all went well other than finding an easy way though 3' of rock and concrete so i cheated a litttle
anyways- i go to shut the 200amp breaker off on my main panel before inserting a new 50amp feeder breaker and when it clicked off there was a 2" long blue spark from the back side of the breaker arc'd to the ground/neutral bar next to it.....
what the F just happened?
inserted breaker, hooked wires and all appears well.
Post by: etk300ex on July 26, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2019, 12:51:13 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2019, 02:42:15 PM
o, update its a 150amp breaker not 200.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
Post by: etk300ex on July 26, 2019, 02:58:57 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2019, 07:47:20 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on August 24, 2019, 10:20:49 PM
my bush hog i mean mower took a little damage. ran down to nicks to use his lift to put my blade back on and grabbed a pulled pork sandwich with the 20 or so people over for Saturday shop night lol
Post by: M4wdFab on September 07, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
lift directions suck. i cant imagine normal people figuring this out.
picked up ibeams and another sheet of plate. id really be happier with 5/8" plate so i might run to Express metals monday and see if they have ~17"x19" or greater 5/8 plate drops i have 2 4'x4' sheets of 1/2" now.
4 extra I beams and using biggest to support the lift down to concrete down stairs.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 12, 2019, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 14, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
im thinking i still want to add a cross bar and 4 tension supports downstairs. minimal steel and effort, and i have extra 3/4" anchors left.
my new hammer drill is a beast!
Post by: rejeep on September 16, 2019, 09:11:42 AM
Post by: etk300ex on September 16, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2019, 10:08:22 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2019, 01:35:08 PM
I like how you lowered the supports from the top side, I probably wouldn't have thought of that and figured out some much, much harder wronger way to do it
even better, dawned on me that i could pull 4 screws out and a chunk of 2x6 from a floor patch and drop a 120v line, welder lead and welder ground instead of dragging the welder cart and generator downstairs lol it was a major light bulb! (1/4" plate that is on the other side of the floor joists lag bolted upwards)
decided on only one lift after the floor plan came together. the other lift we had delivered together is Matts going in his garage.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 21, 2019, 08:35:51 PM
8 to go....
Post by: Nick on September 21, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2019, 09:31:03 PM
did oil and fuel filters on the RAM tonight, 75k service front end lube.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2019, 09:44:28 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 27, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
not using a roll around chair is definitely a change of operations for me with this taller lift.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 27, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
really hoping i didnt fuck my other knee. lost my footing and landed 1 step off ladder. still feel it. moron. need atv tires for my scissors lift. bah.
Post by: M4wdFab on October 11, 2019, 07:44:19 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2019, 01:50:06 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2019, 06:05:44 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on December 01, 2019, 03:17:59 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on December 02, 2019, 09:12:27 PM
30degrees is perfect working temp though with me in layers working ha
Post by: M4wdFab on December 05, 2019, 08:02:33 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on December 12, 2019, 06:19:25 PM
wonder why they are dif design, or whats up with them.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RLWLMCV/ref=twister_B07VLC27Y2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Post by: M4wdFab on December 20, 2019, 10:32:30 AM
big girl!
Post by: mr.mindless on December 20, 2019, 10:39:51 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on December 20, 2019, 10:47:50 AM
its impressive, but requires respect and bolting shit down yes lol
Post by: M4wdFab on December 22, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
Post by: cracker on December 22, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
Post by: M4wdFab on December 22, 2019, 04:02:27 PM
beer cans, garbage, noise at 2am and more bumps in my lawn for the mower (improper use when conditions poor) is my deterrent to disallow access. it is sad that few wreck it for responsible clubs, yes. sorry.
Post by: M4wdFab on February 11, 2020, 08:16:20 PM
shes a big girl
Post by: M4wdFab on February 15, 2020, 08:51:19 PM
spent some time on the scissors lift and filled in all the big holes on the blue tarp wall. picked up another 10 degrees over outside. was tee shirt weather all day today.
moved rest of machines in.
wired and powered up mill
still working on layout of fab corner.
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2020, 09:00:39 PM
nice.
Post by: rejeep on February 16, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
I was always told that
Post by: mr.mindless on February 16, 2020, 09:17:04 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
other than killing some paint no heat really needed for big dumb metal machines
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2020, 09:25:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_aQVGkuIrg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2U19Jd88EvMjgHPQ2lOr3hZGzOdt73qPCiRxlaFB7WQqpziSD1SoIDRu4
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2020, 09:36:37 PM
Post by: etk300ex on February 18, 2020, 09:06:44 AM
Post by: dubt on February 18, 2020, 03:15:31 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on February 21, 2020, 08:51:49 PM
lights
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RLWLMCV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
ends
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XS2CS4H/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
new machine lights! 9$ each!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PVFRBXT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2020, 07:50:32 AM
36x60 shop now has 8 200W 26000 lumen high bays. its great.
added 2 more 20 amp breakers to the panel.
Post by: etk300ex on March 09, 2020, 08:07:17 AM
lights
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RLWLMCV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That train factory picture is photoshop gold!
Post by: M4wdFab on March 17, 2020, 08:02:27 PM
snowmobiles really fucked my nice natural fences / boarders around the fields in about 8 places. hoping stuff grows back.
Post by: M4wdFab on March 20, 2020, 04:23:03 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on March 20, 2020, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on March 20, 2020, 05:29:01 PM
gota figure out where the garden is going soon! almost time for sweet corn and onions direct field seed planting!
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 05, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
shame on the assessment. did it go above purchase price or just true up to it? may be worth contesting if it did.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 30, 2020, 12:32:18 PM
ill have to do that!
Post by: mr.mindless on May 30, 2020, 02:45:33 PM
I’m considering moving mine to house driveway. Not sure. If I keep paperwork in the office that’s where most mail gets dealt with anyway.
Post by: mr.mindless on June 04, 2020, 06:57:14 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2020, 09:53:04 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on June 04, 2020, 11:45:15 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 13, 2020, 09:13:51 PM
mint!
need to figure out sink drain plan- just into a 5 gal bucket for now.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 13, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on June 13, 2020, 10:13:03 PM
Post by: cracker on June 21, 2020, 01:54:52 PM
Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2020, 08:47:57 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on June 21, 2020, 09:44:35 PM
hows the new lathe look?Wrong thread I’d you’re asking me.
Didn’t get it with the truck breakdown.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
i guess we will see if my guess on 2-3% was good enough.
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 05, 2020, 10:39:55 AM
picked up a fan today :o
Post by: etk300ex on July 05, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on July 05, 2020, 03:41:42 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 05, 2020, 03:52:52 PM
went into AC for food and re grouping.
its probabyl trash now. at least it came with an 80' welding cord extension.
wish i would have dropped it before i cut a 5' hole in the side of my barn.
Post by: mr.mindless on July 05, 2020, 04:01:28 PM
Hope at least the motor lived
Post by: rejeep on July 05, 2020, 04:09:40 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 05, 2020, 04:13:26 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 05, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
put my self in time out on this one.
moved onto a different project. i guess i dont have the talent today.
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2020, 08:52:43 AM
So is a safety tie off
Post by: M on July 06, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
https://rochester.craigslist.org/for/d/rochester-btu-air-cooler-air/7152772232.html
I have a newer 12k version of that machine, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011CZXXYG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_MmYaFbZENSRZF
No way it'll cool down the barn. Absolutely no way. It does the job cooling my double garage with the doors closed.
Post by: etk300ex on July 06, 2020, 12:05:49 PM
Post by: M on July 06, 2020, 12:46:19 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 06, 2020, 07:48:39 PM
motor tags say 208/230
Post by: M4wdFab on July 06, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2020, 08:25:22 PM
I will help you not drop any. Lmk when.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 06, 2020, 08:28:21 PM
50000cfm on the back of the ram. they are square and built like race car chassis with enclosures. 1 year old new commercial units.
need to think on layout. went to buy one but came home with 4
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
two of these at each end would be nice.
might need to get a bigger man lift with 4x4 for outside installation :o
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 09:15:01 AM
this is war on the heat!
Post by: M on July 07, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
edit: I went on street view to look at your barn. I see 4 vent stacks on the top of the roof. Are there fans in these and do they work?
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 09:38:58 AM
there are 4 big vents but the steel beams peak under them. no real way to duct a fan in them unless it was like a little 12" one maybe.
i have also insulated the roof.
that does remind me i do need to pull the insulation panel to clear the path to the 1 vent on the shop side thats blocked.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 09:45:04 AM
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 07, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
DIY swamp cooler on one of those fans?
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 01:08:48 PM
DIY swamp cooler is not a bad idea. i might play with that at some point. i plan to put wheels and welding cords on the two smaller 36" fans to make them portable. HF soaker hose?
Post by: etk300ex on July 07, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
Post by: Ryan on July 07, 2020, 05:10:11 PM
Post by: M on July 07, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2020, 05:20:26 PM
Post by: M on July 07, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
No temperature change, just a sensation.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2020, 08:21:50 AM
happy though !
Post by: mr.mindless on July 08, 2020, 08:23:57 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2020, 02:24:21 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
48" 15000 CFM fan installed.
hug by 1/2" threaded rod turned out mint
its nice and quiet and moves a bunch of air!
victory.
temp controller should be here tomorrow, but hooked a cord to it for now to test.
Probably wait till next week to run the one on the other side. need to run power 120' first. bah!
Post by: M on July 08, 2020, 11:03:12 PM
My warehouse could use a fan like that and I was quoted $2k for install which is nuts.
edit: actually - nevermind. I just realized the reason why high cost is because they have to put in a steel frame as a solid mounting area due to hurricanes here. You don't have that concern.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 09, 2020, 01:27:53 PM
was 103 in barn when i went out at lunch to clean up. in 40 min it was down to 95. outside temp is about 91.
i think thats pretty good progress.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2020, 10:22:11 PM
started running conduit down the other side of the barn tonight. have about 140' total to run and about 10 or so boxes to wire outlets along the way running 120/240v for the woodshop and other fan to be installed.
Post by: mr.mindless on July 25, 2020, 11:13:47 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2020, 06:41:01 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2020, 08:14:05 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 27, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
Meh
maybe i can get some wire pull help if we hold the club meeting there wednesday haha
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2020, 11:19:04 PM
ready to start on 2nd fan install now that i have power down there.
Post by: M4wdFab on August 06, 2020, 09:30:49 AM
see what they come up with and then hit up Premier again.
Post by: M4wdFab on August 06, 2020, 11:27:12 AM
i guess i have to be aware another higher appraisal would benifity PMI cancelation, but might justify tax numbers meh
Post by: mr.mindless on August 06, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on August 06, 2020, 01:59:11 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on August 06, 2020, 03:01:44 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2020, 08:02:50 PM
said he use to shovel grain out of the barn by hand when he was a kid (now in mid to upper 50s) and they would routeenly pull 10 wheelers in and dump 10 tons of grain and fill the barn lol all season without caring about the floor
some other good stories. he was impressed at what it looks like in there now, and was happy to see someone using it and keeping the property clean and mowed nice.
was cool.
Post by: etk300ex on September 24, 2020, 09:30:09 PM
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Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
Post by: carchameleon on September 27, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on February 10, 2021, 08:42:11 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on February 10, 2021, 09:50:56 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on February 10, 2021, 10:55:47 AM
How is this winter season going for you regards snowmobiles?
less traffic than last year, but conditions have been poor.
still driving though my posted signs in the field, and right through my fire pit where old trail was 2 years ago, but for the most part traffic continuing to damage my front lawn and spew snow to my driveway ends after fresh plowing.
only one night i have been super annoyed by noise at my window so far.
No trips again to the field with the mossburg in my Pjs so far this year though.
i was half tempted to stop to chat with the troopers that had snow machines and a stop check setup down the road one day to discuss landowner things but i didnt feel like getting an inspection ticket as part of the conversation.
i dont know why it annoys me so much, but it does.
Post by: mr.mindless on February 10, 2021, 11:37:44 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on February 10, 2021, 04:28:26 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on March 24, 2021, 05:29:16 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on March 26, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
Came upstairs and realized my cable modem still uses coax to feed it.
Oops. Well ordered a crimp kit and waterproof connectors to splice the street line and run a new line to my room. I guess I'll get to use some of the auction coax spool after all!
That was dumb.
Post by: mr.mindless on March 26, 2021, 11:51:49 PM
Been so close to doing same and haven’t for that fear. Stupid phone and coax all over.
Post by: M4wdFab on March 27, 2021, 08:11:13 AM
Post by: etk300ex on March 27, 2021, 08:45:45 AM
Post by: Ryan on March 27, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
Hahahahahahaaaaa
Been so close to doing same and haven’t for that fear. Stupid phone and coax all over.
I ran some of that phone cable in your house 15 years ago, hahaha
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2021, 09:21:20 AM
They seem not to have had any line converters or two line phones, there are two separate biscuits everywhere marked with two numbers or with shop/home. And I think two lines run to each.
Plus two directv things. I’ve chopped a bunch of that coax out. More to go.
Post by: M4wdFab on March 28, 2021, 02:00:39 PM
Thats funny Ryan. the phone stuff was actually tidy, and i didn't realize how much of it there was till i got into it.
The coax and alarm crap was everywhere. its all gone. have now one line come in to the house to a single junction block, where it splits to my room, and then sadly that goes back outside, up the side of the house and into the second floor. I figure the second floor nonsence ill leave to another day- but at least i know how it works and how to run coax now.
i have about a laundry basket full of wire on the basement floor.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 20, 2021, 08:08:27 PM
pretty neat
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2021, 03:22:09 PM
Post by: etk300ex on May 06, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2021, 03:41:39 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2021, 03:49:19 PM
cleans up gravel and cuts way down on trimming.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2021, 05:56:03 PM
haha
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
havent had a dishwasher in 20 years, kinda feels weird.
Post by: mr.mindless on June 20, 2021, 11:12:54 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2021, 11:23:04 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on June 21, 2021, 09:23:51 AM
Post by: etk300ex on June 21, 2021, 09:32:13 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
no my kitchen is good haha.
Post by: TrailTamer on June 22, 2021, 08:22:41 AM
Post by: carchameleon on June 25, 2021, 09:29:17 AM
we run it at least every other day!
Post by: M4wdFab on August 02, 2021, 11:40:49 PM
ran to shop grabbed all materials and tools to change out my house panel and a couple flash lights if needed.
First time i was able to inspect service feed wires, JJ warned me in old house sometimes they crumble when you touch them. all was good and got the old panel disconnected, swapped feed to new panel and got it hung and set.
took a minute to asses after the potentially sketchy part was completed, and went out to the shop to grab breakers, power came back on while walking to shop!
RGE email says power restored 8:42pm
now with an actual Main breaker on the panel to shut off, i was able to install and bring back most of the house, just need to grab a few more breakers tomorrow.
so nice to organize random spaghetti wires and do it clean the way you want!
success! win!
Post by: mr.mindless on August 03, 2021, 09:26:19 AM
Post by: etk300ex on August 03, 2021, 09:26:47 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2021, 11:42:57 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on August 03, 2021, 11:50:57 AM
check Debbie Supply?
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2021, 11:56:07 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2021, 12:13:08 PM
looks like other home depots not too far have a few, i guess i should have looked first. meh
Post by: etk300ex on August 03, 2021, 12:16:33 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
didnt have time to trace and label wires before swap so its luck of the draw what i got! in the 10 breakers i had
Post by: M4wdFab on August 04, 2021, 12:29:56 AM
panel swap complete!
Post by: M4wdFab on September 25, 2021, 02:12:06 PM
154" blade 2hp 230v 3phase
hooked it up and swapped the new blade it also came with, made some tweaks and adjustments, cuts mint.
big girl and i like it.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 25, 2021, 08:53:03 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 26, 2021, 12:05:59 PM
4 gals water
3 cups dish soap
1quart motor oil
got the cutting tray, tank, pump cleaned out and working on the new saw.
Post by: mr.mindless on September 26, 2021, 12:20:36 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 26, 2021, 12:31:58 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on September 26, 2021, 12:39:42 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 15, 2021, 12:39:05 PM
winning
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/397262891866703/
Post by: M4wdFab on November 17, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
Also, yesterday noticed my scissor lift batteries were not giving more than a few min run after a good 5 hour charge. I have 4 deep cycle 12 batteries in 2 pairs to make 24volts for the unit. some how the charging was allowing only one pair to get charged. under load one side would drop to 5volts and the other pair would hold at 12v. swapped one 2 batteries to mix up the pairs and after a normal charge all is good now again! weird. im not sure i under stand what happened, but kinda makes sense.
Post by: M4wdFab on December 06, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
sweet old machine, good amount of tooling.
Post by: mr.mindless on December 07, 2021, 09:15:32 AM
cora's cousin swears by horizontal mills. his stuff was the first I'd ever seen one.
Post by: M4wdFab on December 16, 2021, 09:06:54 PM
got it to its home tonight, for now. moved over the 4hp drill press a bit closer to the mill and still don't have a happy place for the new band saw thats usfull for cutting 24' sticks down (crane moves it easy though). Id like to add 20' to my machine shop or loose one of my fab tables (2 of them become catch all / store crap benches- bah!)
internet says this shaper is all of 5500lbs being the industrial model- i believe it.
my 4ton chain fall wouldn't budge it off the truck, nor my 3300lb manual fork lift- so lifted it off with the bendpack.
ended up using the 3pt on the tractor at 1/2 the lever arm to pic one end and the manual fork to skate other end.
Post by: mr.mindless on December 16, 2021, 10:43:47 PM
What’s the desire for it? I don’t understand the point versus a mill.
Post by: M4wdFab on December 17, 2021, 12:23:26 PM
also for cutting internal keyways like inside a gear or pulley
i just like it cause its old heavy and cool mostly. Ill probably need a bigger phase converter to acually use it, the 5hp 760RPM motor is a monster.
Post by: mr.mindless on December 17, 2021, 03:29:05 PM
Post by: M on December 18, 2021, 12:13:48 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on December 18, 2021, 12:46:49 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on January 02, 2022, 07:29:53 PM
https://youtu.be/MKqVOORyncI
Post by: M4wdFab on January 07, 2022, 08:38:26 PM
almost time to kill PMI of the bill
Post by: M4wdFab on February 25, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
my neighbor to the east doesn't have public water and i have (silently) disallowed her to run a private line from the end of the MCWA line on my property and risk damage to my lower paved driveway (thats farm built mint right now).
now coming from the west side (gas station top side) im worried they will fubar my upper driveway (thats not on my property) and fuck up the tile that my french drain around the house drains to the road (possibly illegally, also farm built)
bah!
suprising they asked
offering 500$ for troubles.
weird.
Post by: M4wdFab on March 24, 2022, 05:16:06 PM
other news- too big for a grinder ill use once or twice a year? lol i have a problem. gona grab it if still available next time i run to moms
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1029670870978381/
Post by: mr.mindless on March 24, 2022, 05:43:12 PM
lol i have a problem.
more dignified than my problems lol
Post by: luvmyxj on March 25, 2022, 07:56:35 AM
Post by: etk300ex on March 25, 2022, 09:42:58 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2022, 11:16:42 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on June 08, 2022, 04:37:02 PM
just added 10 tractor buckets of rock to the aprons to fill in the erosion holes lol
scrapped all the sediment off my paved section.
Post by: M4wdFab on June 17, 2022, 12:44:08 PM
sometimes it runs sometimes it pops the breaker to my 5hp phase converter. hmm
might be time for a bigger rotary converter. i see there is a 20HP one on FMP for 800$ now, dam market place lol
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2022, 08:02:31 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 10, 2022, 09:25:03 PM
did pick up a 10' flashing brake on the way to AOAA this weekend so need to grab a 10" roll of tin and get that piece made fro front of house.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2022, 08:09:53 PM
200$ brake becomes 1000$ brake after i use it once.
Post by: M4wdFab on July 12, 2022, 11:01:19 AM
flashing repaired on house. put more nails in all other pieces. they used like 4 nails on 10' no wonder it just blows off
only got stung once by a million wasps up there. probably not the best day with the high winds but i managed since it was helping keep the wasps from landing on me lol
Post by: M on July 12, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on July 12, 2022, 05:45:28 PM
not sure if ill sell the brake- its handy and i have the room.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 29, 2022, 06:25:47 PM
prices on 1/2" 0.025" metal band saw blades were stupid, so decided to change over to a 3/4" x 0.035" blade i found on amazon for 32$ a piece, ordered 3 of them that came in today. I cut mostly big dumb stuff or plate, and 95% its straight cutting so no need for a skinny bendy blade.
found that my band saw has carbide guides and not traditional bearing/roller guides. neat. found a box of broken 0.025" guides in the machine, and hiding in the bunch was a pair of new 0.035" guides! win.
swapped all over and thing cutting like a boss.
Post by: M4wdFab on October 08, 2022, 04:34:58 PM
i should do something about the sad state of non existing landscaping/finishing around my house haha
Post by: M4wdFab on October 15, 2022, 07:45:37 PM
i am 3 years ahead on my 20 yr mortgage in year4. go me.
Post by: M4wdFab on December 31, 2022, 12:57:54 AM
too soft for bucket van, maybe when it freezes up.
Post by: M4wdFab on September 10, 2023, 10:42:35 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 02, 2023, 04:11:30 PM
love lawn that makes me money! filled with bucket trucks, tree trucks, excavator today haha
Post by: etk300ex on October 02, 2023, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 02, 2023, 05:29:48 PM
Post by: Wingman on October 02, 2023, 09:42:06 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 02, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on October 10, 2023, 08:24:10 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/879114883569813/
Post by: M4wdFab on October 22, 2023, 07:26:32 PM