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Title: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 19, 2019, 06:04:45 PM
shes a big girl.

got keys today. 


3k still held from owner but it should be resolved soon when they remove items fully from property and not just dump them off the back of the property lol



Will be looking for some help before the meeting next week maybe to sweep out the barn.  hoping to get lights up tomorrow first to be able to see what we have. 

chip stopped over and i think i have a plan.  found 150amp pannel in barn (unknown panel in house with lots of breakers but no main breaker?

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: gif on April 19, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Congrats !
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on April 19, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
found 150amp pannel in barn (unknown panel in house with lots of breakers but no main breaker?

Could be that the house is run as a sub-panel from the barn or there is a main breaker/disconnect elsewhere between meter and panel?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 19, 2019, 09:50:47 PM
wires from street to house are BIG.  only one set of wires going to the barn.  looks like street to house to meter and then it splits from meter to basement and back up to top of house to barn. 

only 2 breakers in a big pannel at the barn with a 150 on top. 


need someone smarter than me to come over.  would like to sub another pannel to up stairs inside barn or move the pannel entirely (but i dont see a way to kill power to it between meter....   




first trip to lowes only 400$  haha.  tomorrow the fun begins!  few things for the house and get some lights up in the barn.   
looking at amazon prices for 4 unit kitchen kit i think the appliances are getting tossed.  broke the fridge in 4 places trying to wipe it down...  2K done stainless nice shit: fridge, washer, range, mic

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on April 19, 2019, 10:06:39 PM
wires from street to house are BIG.  only one set of wires going to the barn.  looks like street to house to meter and then it splits from meter to basement and back up to top of house to barn. 

only 2 breakers in a big panel at the barn with a 150 on top. 

need someone smarter than me to come over.  would like to sub another panel to up stairs inside barn or move the panel entirely (but i dont see a way to kill power to it between meter....

I'm not very smart but I'd be happy to help with an electrical plan after May 1 if no one else is available before then...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on April 20, 2019, 08:51:34 AM
seems like a really good price for appliances.

I'd suggest giving yourself the 5% discount that buying that crap on a Lowes card gets you. Or the 0% if you want to stretch it out for any reason.

I'm busy this weekend (my parents today and meeting Sarah's fam tomorrow) but I've got time from Monday on.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Nick on April 20, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
I don't know if lowes still does it but a couple years ago if you bought a new house and had a change of address form from the post office you would get 10% off one purchase. Might be worth looking into
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 20, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
Chip is an Animal with a backpack leaf blower! 

I headed over in the morning and got started on lights.  chip came over and raked and wheelbarrowed out about 12 loads of hay and crap (literally shit animal shit) as fast as i could light another section! 

then he blew out the entire floor walls and beams!  holly shit looks like a real barn now with many of the smells gone. 
got a metal pile and a wood burn pile

Nick Pearl stopped over (and lent a bunch of tools) and planted a new layout idea in my head that i think i like!



house got two new door mats, a screen door piston fixed, and brett brought out an unwanted table and chairs for a first furniture addition! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 20, 2019, 10:21:25 PM
very pleased with the 200w LED high bays, 7 hung at the peaks of beams do a great over all lighting of the entire barn.  Task lighting added after work areas are planned and it will be great.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: rejeep on April 20, 2019, 10:37:59 PM
Unreal space
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on April 21, 2019, 05:07:11 PM
So good.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Ryan on April 21, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Looks awesome.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on April 22, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
What were the holes in the floors previously for?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on April 22, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Sweet!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
taking any days off this week to do things? other than tomorrow I'm game.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on April 22, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
Looks awesome, looking forward to helping.
On Wednesday do you need help loading/unloading or trucks/ trailers?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2019, 05:49:24 PM
i have no plan just kinda winging this moving thing. 

probably get a few trucks and trailers moved over out of the way so i can start just crating crap into totes with the Forklift




Chevy and the spare ranger are ready to go over to storage, along with buggy and brolite to empty out my enclosed. 

someone with a trailer ball also can grab the RTI ramp inless someone else wants it
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on April 22, 2019, 09:09:45 PM
I'll bring my truck what size ball does the rti need? I can move that and I'll have an empty bed
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 23, 2019, 10:55:30 AM
i think its a 1 7/8"  i might have one but not sure. 

4 crates loaded up last night from shop.  shop!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on April 23, 2019, 01:50:38 PM
What time tomorrow?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: TrailTamer on April 23, 2019, 02:49:38 PM
i think its a 1 7/8"  i might have one but not sure. 

4 crates loaded up last night from shop.  shop!

And that didn’t make a dent. Lol
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: TrailTamer on April 23, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
Will it be helpful if I bring over & Park my dodge & trailer for you to load stuff on it? Ranger, crates, etc.

I’ll like to take the ramp.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 23, 2019, 10:59:32 PM
no, not ready to take crates.  i will do that with my truck and equipment trailer since i need the forklift at both locations later after every thing is packed.   

would like to just grab some big weird stuff like cherry pickers / band saw, press, ect just to get it out of the way.   

Ill be over at old shop by 3:30.  if i leave earlier ill post up here.  trying to take a half day but have a lot going on tomorrow. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2019, 08:41:23 AM
thanks for the help Paul Mike and Matt yesterday.  got some of the heavy iron over and out of the way of the old shop.  finish packing, crates and then the last of the iron next! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on April 26, 2019, 09:55:59 PM
dropped the buggy and brolite to the barn today, didnt fall through the floor.  win

picked up a lightly used couch sectional set from my aunt, and a washer from lowes.  still waiting on dryer store to store delivery. 

packing more at shop tomorrow moring, then heading over with a few trips.


Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 04, 2019, 11:31:47 PM
ugh.  still cranking moving junk.

shop 95% done, apartment 80% done

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2019, 09:29:38 PM
new vacuum is a beast! 

round 1 against my apartment oven internals went surprisingly well.  need to get another 12 yr old can of the good oven cleaner!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2019, 09:36:25 PM
Dollar store oven cleaner works great also
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 07, 2019, 11:39:56 AM
picked up a new mower yesterday  ;D

128 ton of gravel being delivered today
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2019, 12:04:30 PM
I can't wait to see that gravel pile and dirt work!!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on May 07, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Dam, that's a lot of gravel
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
Wish I’d had time to scope this pile when I left nick’s.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on May 08, 2019, 11:15:34 AM
What mower did you get?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on May 08, 2019, 01:13:39 PM
What mower did you get?

he posted on fb. it's a beaut
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 12:47:44 PM
i got a Ferris isx800.  got picked up by the dealer yesterday.  kills fuses in 1 lap around the property.  said they would have it back yesterday, no call yet. 


gravel work done.  98% what i wanted and turned out great. 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
just got a call mower being dropped back to my place!

PTO clutch got replaced



i also conveniently won the raffle from Saturdays open house and got some kind of power equipment as a prize.  lol 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 09, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
98% is pretty good lol
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on May 09, 2019, 03:16:09 PM
nice
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
parking has be greatly expanded lol
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 09, 2019, 09:25:02 PM
first mow and 128ton gravel spread
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on May 10, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Looks nicely spread! Nice job. What did you use to spread all that gravel?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 10, 2019, 11:41:20 AM
JJ used a track steer to do the sod removal and gravel spreading.  made pretty quick work.  there is another area on the front side of the lower barn enough to park another 8 cars also. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 10, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
34 yrs old and has to be the 5th or 6th set of washer and dryer i have installed but never have actually owned a pair for me.   

new washer and new dryer installed tonight at the new house! 


also tried a small 4x4 spot in the barn with sand and polyurethane in an attempt to seal up and fire proof the wood floor in the heavy work area that is going to be soon. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 13, 2019, 08:30:59 AM
massive progress this weekend!

got my bedroom 90% set and unpacked a really nice set of kitchen dishes that my aunt gave me years ago.  freshly washed and packed by my mom last week! 

5-6 loads of laundry done at the new place. 

slowly getting organized after the bulk of the move. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
need some sparky help to get materials ordered

Barn has 150 amp panel, has a 30amp 220 breaker, and two 15amp breakers for lower lights and upper level service outlet.

need to source wire and panels to run a 100amp sub panel in the main barn upstairs, and a 60? amp sub pannel in the small garage? or?

plan is to have JJ or Mark run sub pannels with service outlets / main barn lights then, insulate, then run conduit and breakers as needed later.  little garage will just get service outlet. 

100amp pannel with main because more than 6 breakers?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N01TMQE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
ground bar?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ZZGTT4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

small garage panel no main?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7MS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1



o boy.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 12:03:11 PM
60A should be plenty for your garage I would think.  I'Go with a 12 space for the garage if you're worried about breaker space.  Don't need a main, but would be ideal safety purposes.

Pack of one $76, pack of two $338.  That's a great deal haha.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 12:14:16 PM
Will need 4 conductor wire from main panel to any 220v sub panels, sub panels need to have separate floating neutral and ground bar. You can use a main panel but likely wasting money on the unnecessary main breaker.

Eaton or Square D Homeline is fine, no need to get expensive stuff. If existing panel is something different, there is no need to match other panels to the main.

If Lowe's/Home Depot/Amazon don't have what you need, don't be afraid of the electrical shops.

Also, I'd defer to JJ but I'm certainly willing to lend a hand.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 12:23:53 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Square-Schneider-Electric-HOM1224L125PC-24-Circuit/dp/B00NOAVTIA/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=125a+square+d+panel&qid=1557850980&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.

100A feeder 3-#2, 1-#8EG Copper or 3-#1/0, 1-#6EG Aluminum

60A feeder copper: 3-#6, 1-#10EG CU or 3-#4, 1-#8EG AL

Residential wire is weird where it sometimes counts the ground and sometimes not, so be careful if you order.  I assume you'll use Quadriplex URD wire, Direct buried.  I don't do much residential, JJ or Mark can chime in on that. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: gif on May 14, 2019, 01:52:00 PM
so the barn has its own 150a meter?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
power goes street to meter then splits to house panel (some sketchy 60amp main?) and back outside up the house to 2 poles over head to barn then along the side of the barn to its own 150 amp panel (newish and good) that only has 2 or 3 breakers in it though
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:06:30 PM
So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.



this was the part i didnt get- what are pass through or feed through lugs?  relevant in this case?  do you need the 100 and 60 amp breakers, or not?, if so, put them in the panel, or put them at their sub panels as mains?

only reason i ask is getting to the 150amp panel is a long walk around the building and least convenient.   

if it was easy, id rather that panel just moved inside upstairs, but that needs national grid involvement bah. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:16:53 PM
something like this
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
Yes, you'll need breakers to feed the new panels.  The smaller wire must be protected.

Feed-thru or sub-feed lugs can be used to feed another panel of the same amperage.  Such as you could feed another 150A panel from you current 150A panel with no breaker.


power goes street to meter then splits to house panel (some sketchy 60amp main?) and back outside up the house to 2 poles over head to barn then along the side of the barn to its own 150 amp panel (newish and good) that only has 2 or 3 breakers in it though

Wha?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
Yes, you'll need breakers to feed the new panels.  The smaller wire must be protected.


ah!  thats what i couldnt make sense of.  understood now. 


Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 02:22:48 PM
So the 150A is not fed from house?  It splits two ways after the meter?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 02:27:35 PM
Why not feed each sub panel with it's own breaker in the main panel?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: gif on May 14, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
So the 150A is not fed from house?  It splits two ways after the meter?

thats the part i dont get  :o


Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 14, 2019, 02:51:05 PM
I understand the reasons not to (since there's no upstream breaker to disconnect) but how much more sense could it make to swing the existing 150a barn panel upstairs and just do one sub or perhaps just run 2-4 circuits to the garage?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
to much hassle to have it shut off at meter to move pannel.  also I want the shop sub panel to be closer to the shop area which is 30' feet further away.


two subs off the 150 in the shop and evaluate the house panel is the way to go.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 14, 2019, 03:12:29 PM
you should have a service disconnect after your meter, unless this is some sketchy 70 year old installation. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
none i can find.   Ill pull cover and report back tonight. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 05:29:55 PM
looks like breakers above have no main.  60 amp disconnects breakers below. 


on house, left is street feed, right goes to barn.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 07:27:08 PM
havent seen any birds for 4 days in the lower barn after i closed up the wide open window they were using. 


removed about 40 birds nests all vacant. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 14, 2019, 07:32:00 PM
Seeing that "newish" house panel, there must be a disconnect somewhere between meter and panel (like Eroc said).
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 14, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
unless its hiding in the wall behind the meter, no. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on May 14, 2019, 09:02:30 PM
i like breaker #5, we dont know wtf it does but it requires 20 amps
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 08:46:22 AM
There appears to be many issues here :o
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 09:13:15 AM
So they made a junction in the weather-head for the barn feeder?  (Multiple violations lol) 

Cable going to barn looks pretty small for 150A? 

Is it the same (whitish) colored cable that we see at the weather-head terminated in the house panel?

You need a main or maximum 6-handles per code.  The 6-handle rule may not even apply to residential I'd have to look it up.

Whats that unterminated, stripped wire chillin at the bottom?  Clip that off.

Who made that sweet panel schedule?  Don't tell me it was home inspector?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 10:12:57 AM
Ha, didn't even look at the weather head pic  :o

Do you suppose they ran the barn wire back up the conduit from the panel?

sMike, you might want to start thinking of starting over right at the house...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
New 200a service, meter box, panel, and sub-feeds. Go underground with the barn feed.

Get that sketchiness out!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: gif on May 15, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
Here is what I would do.

If your occupancy plan is >5 years, think about long term effects of having sub-par electrical.

IF the feed wire from the utility pole to the meter is rated for 200A.
1)   Upgrade feed wire from meter to house panel and  the panel to 200A
2)   Upgrade the meter to 200A
3)   Do away with the split node to the barn

IF feed wire to barn is rated for 150A.
1)   Bring wire into the house 200A panel with dedicated 150A breaker
2)   Upgrade barn panel to larger 150A panel to support ALL current and future needs.


You have a generator that you can use to operate “must haves” while reworking the electrical.
I think your quote of “doing something right the first time never exceeds the cost of redoing something many times poorly..”  (or something like that) applies.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
Utility Co is responsible for triplex from pole to weather head. They will upgrade if needed.

You could feed the barn wire from the meter box and put another 150a or 200a main panel in the barn instead of making it a sub panel off the house.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
That is not allowed.  Your disconnecting means must be at the nearest readily accessible location at the point of entrance of the service conductors.  And also your service entrance disconnects means (up to 6) must be grouped in one location.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 11:13:11 AM
What isn't allowed? Having a second main panel in the barn? That is done often, including at my last house.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 15, 2019, 11:20:16 AM
the wire front the street is about as big around as my middle finger.... i think it makes the barn feed wire look small but its really not. 


hey you cant have everything right with a house lol 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
You had a junction point after your meter and ahead of your service disconnect? 

National Electric Code.  After your meter it must be terminated at a service disconnecting means at the nearest readily accessible location.  You cant have a service disconnecting means at 2 separate locations.

Can be overridden by the electrical inspector of course.

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on May 15, 2019, 01:04:07 PM
is it better just to keep his existing house connection and run a new service from street pole to barn and add a meter there,if nick can dig the trench i can assist with running pipe and the urd
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 15, 2019, 01:08:14 PM
Utility will not allow one residence to have two services.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 15, 2019, 01:23:44 PM
The junction occurs within the meter box.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on May 15, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Also, if smike plans to rent out the smaller garage in the future - how would he know what to charge the tenant for power?    (don't say it'd be included in the price - that will be abused)
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 15, 2019, 01:52:50 PM
new panel in house done hot, done

adding 2 sub pannels off barn, done

for 50-100$ on ebay you can record KW usage on a non resetable 10 year life unit.  still not convinced i want to deal with morons on my property for rental



you guys are worse with home projects than truck projects  lol
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: cracker on May 15, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Utility will not allow one residence to have two services.

I have a separate service for my barn.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 16, 2019, 08:49:08 AM
They'll occasionally allow it if it's more work for them to upgrade the existing. But their book specifications are single family residence gets one meter. 

Curious, do you have to pay the fees for each meter?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: cracker on May 16, 2019, 09:24:13 AM
yeah, I assume you mean the $21ish "Customer Charge" fee.  It is probably also that way since my barn was built first.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 16, 2019, 08:35:43 PM
clocked second mow offical time at 43 min   


man!  i was going for sub 30 min!  dammit! 

my free echo commercial string trimmer is pretty sweet! i hate trimming but looks way cleaner.  maybe trim every two or three mows.  meh. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 16, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
getting lazy already?!  :D
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: rejeep on May 16, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Welcome to home ownership...

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 16, 2019, 09:15:16 PM
I trim a couple times a year. Fuck trimming.

Need to do my hedge. It’s getting outlandish.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 16, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
not lazy just fat and out of knee tolerance today.


cant get my sweet microsoft MN-500 to spit wireless.  connects to devices but with errors.  nothing in the base station management tool that is useful.  bah. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 16, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
I was more lazy than your predicted schedule...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: cracker on May 17, 2019, 07:39:40 AM
I am too.. that is why most (non-living)things get a ring of Round-Up around so no trimming required.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 17, 2019, 09:23:25 AM
it's time to upgrade if the googles are right and that's a 2003 product...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on May 17, 2019, 11:12:58 AM
MN500 is an antique!   ;D

We chuck them in the trash.  Not even worth scrap.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on May 17, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
smike, I have this:  https://www.amazon.com/R7000-100PAS-Nighthawk-Parental-Controls-Compatible/dp/B00F0DD0I6/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=netgear+R7000&qid=1558106004&s=gateway&sr=8-2

Yours for $75.  Works fine. No longer using it because I have a mesh network in my house.   I think a mesh network actually is a better option for you - might have enough power to transmit signal to the barn with mesh APs, depending on distance. between the two APs

I have this, and would recommend it for anyone looking at mesh wifi:  https://www.bestbuy.com/site/linksys-velop-tri-band-mesh-wifi-system-1-node-2-plug-in-3-pack/6292290.p?skuId=6292290
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 17, 2019, 10:30:02 PM
i dont even know where it came from.  i have never had a need for wireless ever with unlimited mobil and bridge to shop. 


3 smart tv's it way easier wireless lol
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 17, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
So you'll need a 100A/2P and 60A/2P circuit breaker that fit into your existing 150A panel.

100A feeder 3-#2, 1-#8EG Copper or 3-#1/0, 1-#6EG Aluminum

60A feeder copper: 3-#6, 1-#10EG CU or 3-#4, 1-#8EG AL


2-2-2-4 AL no good for 100A?  thats kinda what Amazon suggests is...?   175' of 2-2-2-4 AL direct bury for 221$ and that would do all i need for the 100 and 60 amp subs. 

need to identify breaker type in current barn panel.  otherwise have a good cart going for all materials to upgrade house and add 2 subs to barn panel. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 20, 2019, 05:46:41 PM
about to order materials.  still need to figure out wire but:

small garage pannel

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NOAVTIA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

will this 60amp breaker work as a main and fit this pannel?  i cant seem to find a pannel with a 50 or 60 amp main in it....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7N1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

current cart is about 1300$ and 32items.  amazon for life! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on May 20, 2019, 06:16:13 PM
amazon is getting dangerous for me,my only line of credit is paypal,amazon prime card and amazon store card and all 3 are offering 0 interest for 6 months my wish list has 20 items
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 21, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
been on vacation, will need to catch up
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
np.  i ordered all materials except the wire.

need to just verify 2224 AL is OK for 100amp.  i think i will never be near using 100amp and it will never need to be made bigger.  most of it will be used for bury under ground to feed the 60 amp in the garage. 


Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2019, 08:41:09 PM
100% moved out of apartment and apartment clean ready to return keys.

100% moved out of shop and shop cleaned.  one more trip for outside garbage and transmission pile from shed, snow plow. 




light is near!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 22, 2019, 08:22:26 AM
2/2/2/4 is perfect
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 22, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
175' is 221$ on amazon.  nothing even close in size or length usable i can find for that price so ill get that once i verify the dimensions. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 23, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Yes, 2-2-2-4 quadruplex AL URD is rated for 155A when direct buried.  Rating of wire depends on the insulation, configuration, routing, etc...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 23, 2019, 09:56:45 AM
Yes, 2-2-2-4 quadruplex AL URD is rated for 155A when direct buried.  Rating of wire depends on the insulation, configuration, routing, etc...

weird, could not find anything with rating when buried.  but the buried part will just be the 60amp feeder.  the 100amp feed will just be in the barn (about a 50' run. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 23, 2019, 10:02:05 AM
You need a main or maximum 6-handles per code.  The 6-handle rule may not even apply to residential I'd have to look it up.

Checked with the boss yesterday and learned something new. Turns out that each of those circuits at the top of the panel are "main disconnects" but there should only be a maximum of 6 double pole breakers and no single pole. The spaces below are meant for individual 110v circuits. I guess it used to be a thing...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 23, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
100% moved out and cleaned out both rentals.  ready to turn back keys and collect securities. 


ugh!  relief! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 24, 2019, 08:15:31 AM
excellent!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 25, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
2nd wireless router fail, why does it connect with problems.  stupid!  this should be simple plug and play. 

read through all these bs settings and just will not connect fully.  lame. 



ready to just send back my cable modem and everything, just use my phone.  will stream 3 devices with zero issues. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 25, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
clicked "cloan MAC address" as suggested in help section, all good. 



so stupid
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 25, 2019, 11:43:05 PM
In that case: fuck your provider.

Who is it? Gotta be spectrum right? Been an age since I had to give a care about consumer internet service. Yuck.

Glad it’s fixed. That would have taken me a goodly while.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
shingle repairs made to pantry roof!  replacement sump pump ordered! 


those were the only 2 must do's on the house, time to build the shop :)
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2019, 03:42:39 PM
its hot out, decided to gut my pantry today and start working on first floor full bath!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2019, 08:09:40 PM
driving the mower to the corner gas station to fill, much better than stupid epa gas jugs! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 27, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
Non-ethanol?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2019, 10:33:46 PM
its 2019, everything made since like 1990 is 100% ethanol rated. 


keep smoking the E0 train though! 


Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on May 28, 2019, 07:57:09 AM
Everything that has the potential to sit for long periods gets E0. Don’t care about daily drivers. Not worried about seals and such but more fuel separation.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on May 28, 2019, 08:33:53 AM
Ditto.

I only put e0 in my fuel cans when I’m home. I do abuse that on the road though. I have plenty of things that probably don’t love E. If I could drive equipment with a >2 gal tank to fill though, I’d forget about it!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 28, 2019, 09:12:11 AM
room TV hung
new sump pump installed
pantry crawl space cover removed and inspected
front porch stairs and railing post replaced / rebuilt
3 courses of shingles removed and replaced / top cap replaced pantry roof
Pantry cabinets and trim gutted to walls
lawn mowed
shop table lumber unloaded
2 loads of debris to dumpster
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 28, 2019, 10:20:25 PM
my hf generator has sat for 10months plus, cant even remember last use. 

2 pulls puts like new.  10 minutes of idle, electric start charged up enough to work. 








Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2019, 07:55:21 AM
couple RFQ's put out for 4500 ft^2 of spray foam   

ooof cant wait to see that shock
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on May 29, 2019, 09:36:55 AM
Iirc I think the going rate is a buck a sq ft at one inch so I'd guess 9k labor/material
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on May 29, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
So about $1/lb  :P
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2019, 10:56:53 AM
i was hoping for a quote under 12K with 2" on the walls and 3" on the ceiling. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
thanks for all the help guys, that went much better than expected and was great.


pallet racking nocked down and loaded by 4:45
all unloaded at new place by 5:30

10 pairs of hands or so made it super quick and easy! 


racking in great shape, lift is awesome.  got some good pallets and some sweet roll around shelve carts!  nice!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on May 30, 2019, 06:26:57 PM
shop keys returned today! 

apartment keys to be returned saturday! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 01, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
apartment keys returned!
just need to call next week to confirm RGE is off and im DONE.



100 lbs of sand and 10 gallons of alum oxi poly to seal up the shop side floor.   time for tables and lifts.  picked up another van chassis for stock this morning.  lets do this! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 01, 2019, 10:38:55 PM
(3) 4x8 shop tables built tonight.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 02, 2019, 10:37:15 PM
slept in a bit today, nice breakfast :)

truck load of garbage to dumpster.

wegmans, lowes, liquor store run while i was in Henrietta

visit from JJ and Girl

electric service install started tonight.  shop panel mounted and plan formed.  100a and 60 a breakers installed in lower shop panel.  All materials on hand to get after it tomorrow. 

Italian hot sausage on the grill

1 gallon of round up applied around property

mowed

Visit from Nick and Raina

3 loads laundry. 

formed a plan for new bathroom plumbing while folding laundry.  i guess i need to amazon some stuff for that haha


that's Sunday. 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2019, 11:11:58 PM
ran conduit and pulled wire.  connected to 100amp breaker in barn "main" panel that is fed from meter.   

didnt die. 


so i have a sub panel that now has a ground that goes to no where other than the pannel shell.  does it need a ground rod?!?  wtf
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2019, 11:14:24 PM
neutral and ground is bonded in 150 amp main panel.  the sub i ran is 100amp and 4 wires.  hot hot neutral ground.  even though the ground and neutral are hooked to basically the same bar 2" apart in the main which i dont get what is the point but ill ignore that for now.


at my sub box, neutral is comon with main box neutral but ground goes no where..... other than the pannel.  (pvc conduit and wood mounted)
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 09:56:45 AM


so i have a sub panel that now has a ground that goes to no where other than the pannel shell.  does it need a ground rod?!?  wtf

False, it goes to the ground of the panel that im feeding from to share ground.... so there would be no point to run a 4th wire if i added a ground rod for the sub...
 
lots of bad info and its amazing how many people think they know things lol. 


JJ says i am good with no rod, going with that
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
google says

Quote
Grounding for Sub Panels

A second panel or sub panel should have the neutral and ground terminals or bars isolated from each other, this is why the main circuit feed to the sub panel must have 4 wires, with a dedicated insulated wire for the neutral and a separate wire for the ground.
All the ground wires bond back at the main panel together with the neutrals.
The sub panel neutral bar or terminal should not be bonded to the enclosure or the ground of the sub panel. The sub panel ground should not have a ground rod tied to it.
The bonding for the main ground sources such as a ground rod is made at the main panel where all the grounds are bonded together as well.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:05:48 AM
I am slightly confused with the question here, but I think you have it right.  The neutral to ground bond and ground rod will be at your main panel only.  Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the neutral bus of the main panel.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:07:14 AM
If you added another ground rod that would make a ground loop through the earth.  That's not good.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:08:11 AM
google says

Quote
Grounding for Sub Panels

A second panel or sub panel should have the neutral and ground terminals or bars isolated from each other, this is why the main circuit feed to the sub panel must have 4 wires, with a dedicated insulated wire for the neutral and a separate wire for the ground.
All the ground wires bond back at the main panel together with the neutrals.
The sub panel neutral bar or terminal should not be bonded to the enclosure or the ground of the sub panel. The sub panel ground should not have a ground rod tied to it.
The bonding for the main ground sources such as a ground rod is made at the main panel where all the grounds are bonded together as well.

yes
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 10:10:20 AM
Also it you want to know, the neutral to ground bond is so a fault will trip the circuit breaker.

In a properly designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where it will move to the neutral wire via the neutral-to-ground bond, up to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker, tripping the breaker.

In an faulty designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where because it does not have a neutral-to-ground bond, the current will be forced through the ground rod, into and across the earth, and up the utility ground rod and in to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker.  The resistance of the earth is almost always to great to allow sufficient current flow to trip the breaker, and you end up with a steady-state ground fault, that never trips the breaker, and this is a hazardous situation indeed.  You cannot use the earth as a conductor.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 11:54:58 AM
Just saw your facebook post.  Please do not use anything anyone told you there.

Lou Levy owns and runs an electrical company?  Pretty much everything he said is incorrect. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on June 05, 2019, 01:04:27 PM
IDK anything other then what I've seen, but at a detached garage I did a couple weeks ago the homeowner had me drive a ground rod in with my hammer drill and said it was part of his electrical inspection for his sub panel, I also vaguely remember a ground rod at Dennis's sub panel,maybe different requirements for different application,idk
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
seems you can find many wrong same or different information regarding ground rods.


some reference weather the sub is within the same structure or not, weather a metal building / concrete.  i dont know- did some code change?



we use to race with lou, he is the resident facebook troll when anything electric comes up.  its comical.  i would have figured he to be pretty up to date with current regulations. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 01:25:03 PM
The neutral to ground bond and ground rod will be at your main panel only.  Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the

yes i have this.

Sub panel will get its ground from the ground bus and neutral from the neutral bus of the main panel.

this was initially confusing to me, because in the main pannel the ground bus and neutral are the same bar basically.  JJ said to hook the sub neutral as close as possible to panel neutral, and the sub ground as close as possible to the pannel ground (lead that goes to ground rod), which i did.  even though its the same bar 5" long.... seems silly. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 05, 2019, 02:04:35 PM

In an faulty designed circuit, if a fault were to occur on the 120-volt outlet between the hot-wire and the ground, the current will flow through ground wire back to the main panel, where because it does not have a neutral-to-ground bond, the current will be forced through the ground rod, into and across the earth, and up the utility ground rod and in to the utility transformer, back down the hot wire to the circuit breaker.  The resistance of the earth is almost always to great to allow sufficient current flow to trip the breaker, and you end up with a steady-state ground fault, that never trips the breaker, and this is a hazardous situation indeed.  You cannot use the earth as a conductor.


cool, there's a name for what's up in my house.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 02:15:47 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 05, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
To be fair, many people probably think the "sub-panel" is being fed from your house, not a main panel in the same structure. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
so when i run my sub to my garage from the barn main, i then need a ground rod over there?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 05, 2019, 10:43:47 PM
sub in upper barn run

4 sections of pallet racking assembled on cold side.  it will get a 5th section there, but decided to think on which end.  i almost like the gap at the main door to stick my mower.  so instead of how i planned i think another section is going on the far end by the cars. 

3 remaining sections will be on shop side with 4x8 tables under two sections with only a high shelf for storage and task light support, with a 3rd section having 4 close shelves for small shop stuff / tools / parts / supplies.  3rd 4x8 table with be in center end in front of the lift. 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on June 06, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Some electrical INSPECTORS can require an additional ground rod loop at a sub panel. If you have any questions, call the inspector that will be doing it because he is the final say. If no inspection, then keep running 4 wires to your sub panels and maintain separate floating neutral bus and bonded ground bus (except in the main panel, of course).
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 06, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
kind of getting sick of spray insulation companies not returning calls or providing a quote..... 

i have a shop to build you morons and this is holding me up if im going to insulate now is the time.  bah. 


Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on June 06, 2019, 07:46:22 PM
i dontthink you want them to call you back,just looked at do it yourself kits it would cost you 12k by your specs
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 06, 2019, 10:00:14 PM
thats fine but give me a number.  im not out of money yet for my plans. 



almost bought 2400 square feet of 3" foam board tonight.   needs a little cleaning and a couple pieces would be junk, but there was enough there to do my roof.  JJ has a 38' man lift i could borrow.  roof beams are 4' apart.  they would latch in and just need one side fastened.  150+  4x4 sheets...... 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2019, 09:09:36 AM
I’m game for labor/transportation on that.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 07, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
load 1 of 3 complete. 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 08, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
picked up the rest this morning.  little itchy and got stung only once by honey bee lol 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
cut more scrap wood up tonight for next fire. 

feeling a little overwhelmed but toughing it out.  insulation, wiring, get lift in, place shop.    2nd spray foam guy over today for measurement.     buffalo foam board guy has a bunch of 2nd 2" left.  be another 6-700 in materials and id have enough for 3" roof 2" ceiling. total cost under 2k comparted to 10-15k spray.   

need to research vapor barrier and whats up with my install if any issues to just slap board up and go.  lots of shit info on web thats confusing.


running wire in conduit?  thhn stranded or solid?   10gage white, red, green for 220 welder outlets, lift power, compressor powers.   12gage white, black, green for lights, regular power outlet.   all panel breakers are 220 30amp or 120 20amp.    steel EMT, steel boxes ect.  1/2" and 3/4" EMT throughout.    JJ approved of my 100amp sub install. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: TrailTamer on June 10, 2019, 08:47:39 PM
Solid wire. Unless it’ll see a lot of movement.

Conduit if exposed. Personally conduit it all; minimize damage from shop activity, rodent eating off insulation, etc.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
JJ answered quicker with recomending stranded THHN so thats what i just ordered 450$ in wire of  :o


lowes pickup tomorrow:

300' conduit, 2 benders, all kitchen appliances
wire, clamps, plugs, switches 3 day lowes shipping
amazon 100' wire fish pull

here we go pretend to be an electrician part 2
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 11, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
appliances, 300' of conduit, front porch materials picked up tonight.  Online pickup person was not happy of my load.  either were the 3 people behind me.  sorry.   


Front porch no longer a spring board.  appliances unloaded.  (need help for fridge and range from barn to kitchen sometime lol)



i have no idea about decks or rules, but that's what i came up with.  took a bottle jack and lifted the deck about an 1" past where i want it in the fall figuring stuff will settle, sag, shrink ect.  meh

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 13, 2019, 09:00:57 PM
o snap  look what found its way home tonight.  works mint.  500lb capacity and will be great for lights / conduit / insulation install. 

even more impressed at my pump lift.  thing is a beast.  was able to lift and manually move assembly away from truck on wood floor.  just had to block and re lift on the ground because the supports lined up with tires, no big deal.  5 min unload or load. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 14, 2019, 09:06:00 AM
never would have guessed that manual fork would pick something like that much less move it.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 14, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
i was a little worried with the amount of effort the foot pump required to lift but then quickly realized that must be the "quick" lift and the handle pump was much easier and didnt feel like it was stressing. 


guy said it was 1000lbs or so, im guessing its north of that but less than 2K.  lift rated for 3300lbs.   
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 14, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Manual fork doing work!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 14, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
love it!  best 500$ i have spend for the shop
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 15, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
started running conduit today and we got lights that have light switches!  100amp sub is hot!


scissor lift is awesome.  spend almost an hour looking for my battery charger though :( 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 16, 2019, 10:31:58 PM
conduit running and wiring machine again today.  almost done. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 17, 2019, 03:04:09 PM
new the lights i got were too good to be true!  not a deal now anywhere near a 200wat LED 5000k high bay for 45$ shipped.  should have bought 8 more to stick on the shelf.  boo!   


getting to the point im ready to add some task lighting to the shop.    couple 50 or 100 watts over work areas and add two more 200 whats on the lift bay end should do it! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 19, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
lathe banged back into shape  from moving damage and powered up tonight.  first time welding in the new barn :) 


should have 2 bendpack lifts on the way tomorrow.  Dannmar factory back ordered till August.  booo.. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
bendpack lifts should be on the way.

picked up all the PVC to rough out drains for 1st floor full bath today.  cutting in to the 4" main this weekend! 



anyone have good or bad to say about this shark bite push connect stuff?  seems pretty slick but i have no problem at all sweating in more copper...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Wingman on June 20, 2019, 08:23:40 PM
If you like sweating fittings, go for it. Will last for decades.

However, SB fittings are easy and fast...
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on June 20, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
only bad is the price @ $10 per fitting, if your doing alot its worth to just get the crimp tool and fittings for pex
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2019, 09:31:47 PM
my only thought is i really dont want to spend any time in the crawl space under the pantry.  2 valves and like 8 fittings i need.  pretty simple either way.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 20, 2019, 10:43:05 PM
1/4 appliances for kitchen installed.  microwave smashed on side.  bah.  banged it out and mostly covered up by cabinets..... installed.  LED range light in op.  FML   morons.  5 weeks to get appliances from lowes for super awesome quality.   guess you cant ask for much these days for 2k. 

fridge or range better not be damaged the same.   :-[
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 21, 2019, 08:29:47 AM
only bad is the price @ $10 per fitting,
My thoughts exactly.

Excellent for limited access too.


Smashed side is stupid. Was hoping it would be hidden.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
i think for my application, cost really doesnt matter- i was more asking for durability.  dont want a 10$ fitting blowing and dumping thousands of gallons of water before i get home ha
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 21, 2019, 12:46:44 PM
I trusted in my upstairs for the baseboard heat. no ragrets so far. 6 years now I think?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on June 21, 2019, 09:01:27 PM
i use sharkbite for anything at my house,  so far so good

I know spencer uses it also for his stuff, i think he also uses a crimp tool too
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 21, 2019, 11:18:52 PM
shower valve and head roughed in.  lower wall and floor repairs made.  Found my sink doesn't really fit my vanity, for free thats ok.  modified and it should be fine.

toilet flange roughed in.

cut into 4" sewer main and tapped a 3" run in for added sewer, added another clean out. 


couple you tube videos im going to tile in my own shower.  should be fun and 500$ cheaper even picking up a cheap tile saw. 

have all materials to have everything pressurized and drained tomorrow, and shower base roughed in.     then hard pack, aqua sealer, then tile.   done. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: carchameleon on June 22, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
I have a tile saw if you want to borrow it
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 22, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
shark bite where i tapped into copper and on the shower fittings, and pex and clamps everwhere else.  holding pressure.  1 PVC plug to pull and one 3"connection, piping done for 1st floor bath. 

toilet in (got wrong flex hose)
vanity in (need one more elbow for drain)

shower drain in place, ready for some creative construction then, barrier install then bunch of tile. 


fix some wall issues and paint or tile more. 

not bad for 1.5 days so far!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Nick on June 23, 2019, 07:51:12 AM
Smike new hobby house remodeling
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 23, 2019, 09:47:16 AM
houses are easy :)  did a bunch on my moms house when i was younger. 



i think i may have failed and not included any venting in my PVC sewer circuit.  need to research that. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on June 23, 2019, 01:25:36 PM
you can use one of these if theres no where to vent outside
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sure-Vent-1-1-2-in-x-2-in-ABS-Air-Admittance-Valve-160-DFU-Branch-24-DFU-Stack-39018/100140686
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 23, 2019, 10:12:17 PM
ya i saw those but they only let air in and have bad rap for failing.  not sure what i need to do.

 3" toilet to main
1.5" sink
2" shower
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on June 24, 2019, 12:28:01 AM
you only want air to get in or else you get sewer gases in your house. you didnt need a trap for the sink in the basement since you typically put the trap directly under the sink
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 24, 2019, 11:19:47 PM
ya i got ahead of my self and was missing one fitting i needed so the trap ended up under the floor.  probably a mistake because now i cant add one of those cheater vents under the vanity after its trap :( 

still not finding a good solution for a vent.  it def needs one.  sucking and gurgling through the vanity drain right now when your flush the toilet.



got the shower base half ruffed in and first coat of mud on the big wall issues tonight.  should be laying down the shower membrane tomorrow night.  and ready for tile soon.   
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 25, 2019, 10:41:16 PM
i am thinking re trap the vanity above the floor so i can add a cheater vent there.  other wise put a real open vent out the side wall but risk being too close to the kitchen window that i like to open when its HaWt



shower base roughed in tonight and first coat of aqua defense put in around the drain interface.  i think its going to work well.  tile and supplies on hand. 

i think i just met my 1000$ or less full bath goal with all materials on hand minus some fittings an the vent. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 26, 2019, 08:40:09 AM
Aren’t you immediately under roof there to just run a stack? Or do you really just not want to open up a wall and pierce the roof?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: KingtheZJ on June 26, 2019, 10:34:00 AM
These are fun projects. I've been enjoying way more than cars lately. Just finished #3 that got full everything.

those vent cheaters have worked well for me.

If you need, I have guys for:
HVAC (just installed central air for $1900 total)
Roofing / Siding
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 26, 2019, 10:49:06 AM
yes under roof.  no do not want to tear up floor and sil, wall, roof to get to it.....   its just a pain 4 ways. 

changing the sink drain to add a vent will be 30min and 20$ to try


i did HVAC install for 3-4 years so im good there.  might do AC next year.  Furnace is a 2yr old 95% so good there. 
Electric was my major weakness but i have fumbled through that now and good!


i havent worked on houses for about 15 years but i did a bunch of tear out and remodel on my moms houses. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: luvmyxj on June 27, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
Project source tile? Your better then that,or do you enjoy the grandparents bathroom look?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 27, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
do not care, grabbed whatever was on sale at lowes and some grey for trim
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 27, 2019, 07:06:07 PM
o boy. 

deleted outlet from shower area,  just wire nutted blacks, whites grounds together respectively.  did it hot.  may have herd a pop but not sure.  now i have no power to kitchen ceiling light/fan, back stairs hall light or upper outlet behind range that fridge was plugged into.


no breakers popped on the panel...... 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 27, 2019, 07:19:56 PM
o neat.  15 min with a DVM and outlet test light.  traced dead plugs and power to a GFI in the kitchen.  weird. 

reset and all good haha.  good to know.  odd layout. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 28, 2019, 11:11:05 AM
oh boy
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 28, 2019, 12:41:28 PM
not as bad as you think, the fridge got pulled into a counter height outlet when we moved in.  looks like 3 outlets daisy chained from one GFI, which i think i read some where is non against the rules.  moved the fridge to lower 4 square thats on its own breaker. 

shower outlet deleted! 

its hot

my power has gone out like 5 times this week, must be summer grid issues.....
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on June 28, 2019, 01:03:12 PM
I had a brief brownout overnight tuesday or wednesday. my power is usually rock solid.

surprised I haven't seen a NYSEG notice requesting reduced electrical loads yet today.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on June 28, 2019, 01:17:45 PM
Feed through on a GFI is all good.  These items: (kitchen ceiling light/fan, back stairs hall light) that are on the same circuit as you kitchen counter and ran through the GFI are of concern. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on June 28, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
meh, ill ask JJ when he does my panel if it needs a change.


6 coats and a roll of fiber tap, i was ready for tile today.  took about 3 rum a cokes to decided on the way i was going to do this and well this is what i ended up with for a start. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M on June 30, 2019, 11:40:14 PM
what size is the tile?

That shower looks tiny, but photo can be deceiving.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2019, 07:16:17 AM
6x6 tile i cut down to take the pitch.  the walls are 12x12

its super hard to take a picture in a small bathroom haha

its cozy but fine.  shower head got put on that wall because the other wall is an exterior wall and i didnt want that. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
busy night


home for work. 
run to Freds garage in Scottsville, pay for international that got a sticker during hours today.  dont swap because i need RAM tonight
back home.  move 48 enclosed and equipment trailer to other side of garage out of lot
prep old Lift and get stuff on a pallet for CL buyer coming tonight. 
rock bounce fork lift out of the first floor shop, drive up the road to high side driveway entrance
rock bounce down driveway to concrete pad.  only loose one fork on the way, but dont get stuck.
53' low boy shows up as CL guy shows up.  bah! 
do paper work and load and unload both in about 10 minutes. 
3700lbs is heavy for 2 bendpack 10k lifts.  about all my forktruck wanted to lift in N with gas on lol 
53' leaves, load CL with old lift done deal. 
transfer new lifts to ram one at a time, unload in barn with fork jack
rock bounce fork truck back to lower barn and actually not get stuck! 
run Ram back to freds for inspection tomorrow, and swap out for IH
food

im tired!

 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 03, 2019, 09:44:13 PM
curb tile done and moved and outlet so i can fix my back splash design. installed a vanity side light. 
ready for a little more groute then sealer then done.

paint- i hate painting.  waiting on that.
finally cleaned all the dust out of my kitchen with no more tile and drywall cutting bah!



found exactly the beams i need on FBMP, hoping guy answers and going to run down to PA tomorrow or fri to pick up.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2019, 08:54:36 PM
https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-100-Amp-3-Space-3-Circuit-240-Volt-Unmetered-RV-Outlet-Box-with-50-30-20-Amp-GCFI-Circuit-Protected-Receptacles-GE1LU532SS/203393689


seems expensive and i need to swap a breaker and a welder outlet in, add another 20 amp breaker.

id like to mount this box or similar outside the barn, feed from existing 200amp pannel in lower barn.  swap the 50amp for a 30 amp welder 220, break the 120 outlet into 2 20 amps and add that breaker.  would be good RV power and welder power out in the lot then. 

bah. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 19, 2019, 11:15:22 PM
first delco crate of twelve brought upstairs tonight.  forklifts on both floors is so nice. with a truck trip inbetween. 



i have  shit ton of work to do in the next 12 days.  hope this knee keeps cooperating lol 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 24, 2019, 09:40:26 PM
my fed ex girl is cute!   


she brough me lots of presents to the shop tonight!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2019, 11:51:29 AM
i put in a 50 amp RV exterior power panel last night

all went well other than finding an easy way though 3' of rock and concrete so i cheated a litttle

anyways-  i go to shut the 200amp breaker off on my main panel before inserting a new 50amp feeder breaker and when it clicked off there was a 2" long blue spark from the back side of the breaker arc'd to the ground/neutral bar next to it..... 


what the F just happened?   

inserted breaker, hooked wires and all appears well. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on July 26, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
That would be an arc flash.  Very unusual for said actions and equipment.  I'd guess cause would be super dirty or really old and has never been used, or both.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2019, 12:51:13 PM
that sounds scary AF
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2019, 02:42:15 PM
i have used the breaker at least 5 times in the last 2 months, this was the first time i recall having the cover off. 


o, update its a 150amp breaker not 200. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
i am thinking that when i get JJ to do the house panel when the power is off / meter pulled this main panel is going to get a new main breaker also. 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on July 26, 2019, 02:58:57 PM
Probably a good idea!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2019, 07:47:20 PM
my 48' and 20' equipment trailer look really small in a 2.5 acre field with 3-6' grass.  winning.   lot cleared for party week.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on August 24, 2019, 10:20:49 PM
got the track cut around the property today. 

my bush hog i mean mower took a little damage.  ran down to nicks to use his lift to put my blade back on and grabbed a pulled pork sandwich with the 20 or so people over for Saturday shop night lol 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 07, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
i really should have built my over head crane system first.  this shit is heavy! 

lift directions suck.  i cant imagine normal people figuring this out. 

picked up ibeams and another sheet of plate.  id really be happier with 5/8" plate so i might run to Express metals monday and see if they have ~17"x19" or greater 5/8 plate drops   i have 2 4'x4' sheets of 1/2" now.

4 extra I beams and using biggest to support the lift down to concrete down stairs. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 12, 2019, 09:03:00 PM
lift install progress tonight.   
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 14, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
posts are up!  under structure locked down! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
lift install complete.  thing is pretty massive and impressive.  i can jump and hang on the buggy bumpers on each end and its rock solid.  real test will be when the 4500 is on it. 


im thinking i still want to add a cross bar and 4 tension supports downstairs.  minimal steel and effort, and i have extra 3/4" anchors left. 



my new hammer drill is a beast! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: rejeep on September 16, 2019, 09:11:42 AM
that's some awesome space!!!!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: etk300ex on September 16, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
Nice! Did you get 2 lifts? I thought there was talk of that at one time.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2019, 10:08:22 AM
I like how you lowered the supports from the top side, I probably woludn't have thought of that and figured out some much, much harder wronger way to do it
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2019, 01:35:08 PM
I like how you lowered the supports from the top side, I probably wouldn't have thought of that and figured out some much, much harder wronger way to do it


even better, dawned on me that i could pull 4 screws out and a chunk of 2x6 from a floor patch and drop a 120v line, welder lead and welder ground instead of dragging the welder cart and generator downstairs lol     it was a major light bulb!   (1/4" plate that is on the other side of the floor joists lag bolted upwards)


decided on only one lift after the floor plan came together.  the other lift we had delivered together is Matts going in his garage. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 21, 2019, 08:35:51 PM
last stage of unpacking to fill the new shop
8 to go....
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: Nick on September 21, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Do you have a plan for heat in the winter?
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2019, 09:31:03 PM
not really.  have a few options.  most likely none will happen till next year.  don't plan to wall off the shop side till next fall.   also wana see how cold the floor gets.  when the sun is out its 15 degrees warmer inside than outside no matter what. 


did oil and fuel filters on the RAM tonight, 75k service front end lube. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2019, 09:44:28 PM
more than enough height for me (6'2") to stand and work comfortably under the ram on the new lift.  happy! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 27, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
solid work night last night.


not using a roll around chair is definitely a change of operations for me with this taller lift. 

Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on September 27, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
replaced 4 trollies on my barn door.  opens great now!  success!


really hoping i didnt fuck my other knee.  lost my footing and landed 1 step off ladder.  still feel it.  moron.  need atv tires for my scissors lift.  bah. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on October 11, 2019, 07:44:19 AM
Lift ground floor structure got tension cables and 5/8" turnbuckles down to 3/4" concrete anchors.  feels even more rock solid now. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2019, 01:50:06 PM
started insulating barn roof today.  my method sucks and im not happy.  stopped. 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on November 30, 2019, 06:05:44 PM
picked up a 50lb box of 6" timber spikes (417 count) for foam board attachment.  should be a much cleaner install, all the beams have holes where i need, plenty.  i just have to start at the peak and work my way down.  ends at wall need to be cut and wedged in anyway.  probably be a week long process with the shit batteries in my scissors lift haha
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 01, 2019, 03:17:59 PM
i got about 1/8 done with one over night charge on lift.  probably hit interstate for four blems i guess bah!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 02, 2019, 09:12:27 PM
roof 1/3 insulated.  wish i could find my respirators.  have a 20 pack of cartridges but no units.  dust masks not cutting it.  some swim goggles would be nice too lol    FML

30degrees is perfect working temp though with me in layers working ha
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 05, 2019, 08:02:33 PM
almost 1/2 roof insulated with 3" foam 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 12, 2019, 06:19:25 PM
hmm first 200w  500k high bay under 90$ i have seen since i got 8 of mine for 46$ shipped each

wonder why they are dif design, or whats up with them. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RLWLMCV/ref=twister_B07VLC27Y2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 20, 2019, 10:32:30 AM
new hole punch for the shop.

big girl! 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: mr.mindless on December 20, 2019, 10:39:51 AM
Direct drive arm breaker, love it!
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 20, 2019, 10:47:50 AM
i remember using this machine to cut holes in 1" plate for high steer arms for the scrambler like 10 years ago.   

its impressive, but requires respect and bolting shit down yes lol 
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 22, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
had a conversation with a pickup staking my property for snowmobile trail.  he was very under standing and they will re route not on my property.
Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: cracker on December 22, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
They should have come to you long ago to ask permission and explain state insurance coverage and no liability but whatever.. Sucks to be them trying to find a reroute now instead of this summer.

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Title: Re: new house for mike
Post by: M4wdFab on December 22, 2019, 04:02:27 PM
he said he is not surprised, they have many complains from abuse to their club.  the have had complaints from the tenants that use to live in my house for noise at night, and had to put up fences to keep on the marked trail. 


beer cans, garbage, noise at 2am and more bumps in my lawn for the mower (improper use when conditions poor) is my deterrent to disallow access.   it is sad that few wreck it for responsible clubs, yes.   sorry.