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Title: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on July 26, 2017, 06:36:30 PM
Acquired this afternoon.

Very sturdy and pulls nice for a 34'er.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on July 26, 2017, 07:06:44 PM
At a glance it looked like a car hauler converted from a camper but it's not.

https://imperialtrailer.com/car-hauler-trailers/
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on July 26, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
Look like three TJs will fit but tight. Plenty for two suv's.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on July 26, 2017, 09:17:13 PM
They cost $11,500 new today  :o

https://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=41181

Very cool set up.

http://www.motoexotica.com/inventory/listing/2006-imperial-2-car-trailer/
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2017, 11:33:55 PM
Pretty cool with that ramp truck.

I like the tie down holes. Get d rings for them?


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Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: dubt on July 27, 2017, 07:00:21 AM
I've never seen time down rails like that before. Love it.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on July 27, 2017, 09:19:09 AM
3 TJs might be tight haha.  I fit 3 YJs on my 34' wedge chained together bumper to bumper, and had about 10" of deck to spare from tire front tire to rear tire.   They were stock tire/bumper YJs also. 


looks like a big bumper girl.  over axled should keep the tires happy for most part and they look far enough back to make a bumper pull tolerable. 
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on July 27, 2017, 09:21:42 AM
green XJ is Toms new jeep with parts from the red 2dr wonder?
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: Wingman on July 27, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
I've never seen time down rails like that before. Love it.

E-track? Pretty common in container trucks. Not sure I'd trust it 100% with car tie-down. Prob be fine, though.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on July 27, 2017, 10:30:52 AM
not sure what etrack is rated for but I've definitely seen it on floors for enclosed car hauling use before with over tire straps
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: Wingman on July 27, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
Properly affixed and with the correct straps used, I'm sure it'd be fine. I was remembering of some of the tie-down clips I've seen that seem a bit weak.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on July 31, 2017, 10:46:42 AM
Hauled Tom's XJ and 2 John Deeres and a pull-behind mower on it to the Picnic last weekend. Pulls really nice and go down the road straight and zero swaying. Definitely need look at brakes as some of them seem to be in-op (wiring?).

I think I need to raise my hitch one hole to level the trailer better and adjust the angle to move weight distributing hitch's bars down some.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: Wingman on July 31, 2017, 10:59:33 AM
Looks like a solid trailer! Good find!
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on July 31, 2017, 11:13:47 AM
looks like it will get it done! 
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 02, 2017, 12:24:56 PM
Let's talk about some wiring tech

I want to put all new wires and replace light fixtures where needed add more marker lights and reverse lights to it.

I'm thinking to put at least 3 junction boxes so that way there'll be no splices to go bad beside at lights themselves.

I was thinking to use something like this but I want to say there gotta be a better sealing junction boxes available.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519s6oTm0NL.jpg)

Kinda something like this but I'm not sure if it's worth the extra cost.
(https://www.jhtt.com/image/cache/data/Parts/TRL_50600-800x600.jpg)
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 02, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
I'm thinking of ways to secure wires between junction boxes and components; loop clamps or gray PVC pipes. I'm leaning toward loop clamps
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on August 02, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
foam?  was that a mobile home trailer? lol
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 02, 2017, 01:18:34 PM
foam?  was that a mobile home trailer? lol

Lol, I didn't notice that. I used the picture as an example of gray pvc from google image search.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: Wingman on August 02, 2017, 02:15:35 PM
If you have the room, use outdoor weather tight grey boxes and conduit. That will make any replacement wiring easy.

I've got a couple of those black junction boxes on the '48 and they aren't very tight.

Really, nothing will keep out water. Use plenty of dielectric grease.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 02, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
I can make something water-proof AND nuke-proof but at the same time I don't want to as that'll turn it into a project and require big budget haha.

I think these outdoor weather tight grey boxes and conduits will work well for me as I have TON of room underneath, along with this kit.
https://www.amazon.com/Good-done-Waterproof-Electrical-Connector/dp/B01N4L7T51/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1501704349&sr=8-11&keywords=sealed+2+wire+connector

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61I-eIfNw7L._SL1000_.jpg)
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2017, 11:32:29 AM
did you pay the annual 226$ reg fee or was the plate you had from something else on this guy?
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on August 03, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
I've been planning to use grey PVC when I redo my lowboy. hadn't decided if I was going to bother with j boxes.

my issues have always been around chafing at transitions or hangers. I was thinking deburred plastic conduit would have a decent chance of not screwing up insulation.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2017, 12:10:12 PM
did you pay the annual 226$ reg fee or was the plate you had from something else on this guy?

I'm running PO's plate for now. I'll have my dad to register it in Wisconsin as soon as they get in their new house. The trailer's rated gvwr is 14,500lb. It's $104.50/year for 12,000lb gw, or $246.00(!)/year at 14,000lb gw. My truck is plated for at 12,000lb, so I'm gonna try go with 12,000lb on the trailer to stay under 26k gcwr (and cheaper).

http://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/dmv/vehicles/title-plates/bvs507-c.pdf
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2017, 12:36:38 PM
I've been planning to use grey PVC when I redo my lowboy. hadn't decided if I was going to bother with j boxes.

my issues have always been around chafing at transitions or hangers. I was thinking deburred plastic conduit would have a decent chance of not screwing up insulation.

the more I think about it, the more I don't want to run ANY conduits. Dirt collecting inside conduits can cause problems (unless somehow perfectly sealed) and make any repairs more difficult.

I am thinking to run wires (preferably jacketed) and use Delphi Packard weather pack connectors at all components (brakes, lights, etc.) all hanging wires (at brakes, lights, etc.) will be sleeved with either wire looms or braided sleeves for additional protection. I'm thinking about wires running down the trailer will be either secured with loop clamps every 12"-18" or weld in a long 1/2" round stock along the trailer on one side and zip tie all wiring to it.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on August 03, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
(3) 8 lugs is odd to add to 14.5?
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2017, 12:39:03 PM
(3) 8 lugs is odd to add to 14.5?

You're not the only one. They're 6k axles, meaning 18,000lb gvwr but the plate on tongue say 14,500lb.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Piece-Weather-Delphi-Weatherpack-DIYAutoTune/dp/B005OS5DEG/ref=pd_sbs_263_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B005OS5DEG&pd_rd_r=VCV2J7S1SD01360DYT6T&pd_rd_w=N3Ome&pd_rd_wg=9SRZj&psc=1&refRID=VCV2J7S1SD01360DYT6T

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BYKcT6LxL._SX425_.jpg)
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 03, 2017, 01:22:24 PM
http://whiteproducts.com/faqs.shtml
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 04, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
There's many different weather-pack connectors available. I narrowed it down to Metri-Pack 480 series because they're the only ones I find that's designed to fit 10 gauge wires and good quality (not some China junk). I'm going to run 10ga wires to brakes. I most likely will go 14-16ga wires for lights.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 07, 2017, 09:19:28 AM
Look like 10 ga wire for brakes is pushing it for my trailer's length.

3amps per brake time 6 brakes equal 18amps total.

http://www.dexteraxle.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/light-duty-electric-brakes.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on August 07, 2017, 01:47:09 PM
Hope you ran at least 10ga on the truck side when you redid it, too.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 07, 2017, 01:51:03 PM
I believe it is, I'll double check. I used the 7-wire trailer cable from front to back on my truck when I redid it.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 13, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Need tires! They're 8 years old.

Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2017, 10:05:50 PM
weird to see balance weights on a trailer tire
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 17, 2017, 09:57:19 PM
Trailer officially out of commission for the time being. One tire failed while sitting. Tread is no longer flat, too rounded on one tire. Other two are wearing extremely bad, one cup is like a foot long each.

Jumping bad starting at ~20mph.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on September 16, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
6x New tires mounted. Old tires were just downright bad. Two other tires were this close >< to blow.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on September 22, 2017, 11:16:55 PM
new tires look great!
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on September 22, 2017, 11:45:13 PM
new tires look great!

Thanks. I got them at $106/tire shipped to my door from Amazon. Load F. Only $1 more than Jared.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 02, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
Weighted empty, with my strap box and two spare tires in the bed and full tank.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 02, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
Reweight without trailer.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 02, 2017, 05:00:03 PM
The trailer pretty much 5k by itself, as is.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M on November 07, 2017, 01:36:58 PM
How did u communicate to get those?   I pulled into a CAT scale one time with my trailer and there was a speaker box.   Decided not worth it for me and drove out.   
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 07, 2017, 01:42:11 PM
How did u communicate to get those?   I pulled into a CAT scale one time with my trailer and there was a speaker box.   Decided not worth it for me and drove out.

App

Works stellar. I don't need to get out or even open my window at all. The result get emailed to me via PDF. First weight was $11, then the reweight was $2.

 Weigh My Truck by CAT Scale Company
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/weigh-my-truck/id934521459?mt=8
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on November 07, 2017, 02:09:38 PM
I had no idea there was self service on that now, that's incredible!

I was wondering why it wasn't a dot matrix impact printout.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 07, 2017, 02:42:57 PM
I had no idea there was self service on that now, that's incredible!

I was wondering why it wasn't a dot matrix impact printout.

I found out about it by the sign right next to the intercom lol
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: cracker on November 07, 2017, 03:07:44 PM
Android version available also..https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.catscale.weighmytruck
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on November 07, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
wow!
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M on November 07, 2017, 10:28:01 PM
Very cool!
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 15, 2017, 11:07:50 AM
I'm going to start design a tongue tool box to custom build. I'm not sure if I should make the winch to go inside like in the picture as an example or just put it on outside on top of the deck?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/75/66/eb7566e3bfeefeb149215bfec9040b34--car-trailer-trailer-plans.jpg)
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on November 15, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
If you need the box to be dry you have to put the winch outside. If you want the winch to last longer, put it inside...
Or make a second box/ false floor.


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Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 15, 2017, 04:40:05 PM
I got it mocked up with the 3x3x0.25" square tube and JK OEM hitch. I really like on how simple it is.

I've decided to leave the winch outside since it'll be on a cradle and not to take up space inside the tool box.

Question; I'm wondering should I bother to either flip the hitch around or use a longer receiver tube to put the hitch pin "inside" the tool box (lockable) to slow down thieves. I probably is just overthinking it.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: Wingman on November 15, 2017, 04:47:12 PM
How about mounting the winch in a weather tight toolbox laid on it's side? Open the lid to use winch, close the lid to keep sealed from elements (no holes in the box at all).
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on November 15, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
Not a bad idea mark.

Conceal the pin for piece of mind if you want to store the winch on the trailer, for sure.


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Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 16, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
How about mounting the winch in a weather tight toolbox laid on it's side? Open the lid to use winch, close the lid to keep sealed from elements (no holes in the box at all).

Look like something like this will work nicely.

Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on November 16, 2017, 04:22:35 PM
that reminds me that I should look for underbody boxes more often. that looks pretty nice.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on November 16, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
i was looking at new flatbeds today.  illonois seems to be the place to get CM beds, 2200$ picked up, way nicer than mine (and bigger 84" CA)
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: mr.mindless on November 16, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
interesting. good to know for price comparison to what I'd have into refinishing mine too - but I wouldn't trust their paint job "off the lot" anyway. Nick's is already showing some rust at joints too. One summer on it.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 17, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
Hitch welded on. Need to figure out how I'll like to mount the battery box.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M on November 19, 2017, 06:52:46 PM
how big battery box?   Would it fit in the V area in front of the winch, a bit recessed between the frames.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on November 19, 2017, 06:58:27 PM
how big battery box?   Would it fit in the V area in front of the winch, a bit recessed between the frames.

It's next to the winch for now. I'm running a group 34 battery (I already have it). I'm gonna design and build a storage box to go in the tongue opening and the battery will be relocated inside of it.
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: TrailTamer on August 30, 2021, 11:27:35 AM
Sold on 8/21/2021 to a YouTuber for $4,500. It served me well, time to move on
Title: Re: 34'er Bumper Pull
Post by: M4wdFab on August 30, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
nice!