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Title: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 04, 2016, 10:08:56 PM
So this finally happened today, picked up this 14 bolt out of an 03 for $175 ( felt like it's too good of a deal to pass up considering it already has discs, but what do I know)
(http://i.imgur.com/AkWmZOh.jpg)

So I guess I'm finally starting what I've been talking about / wanting to do for a while. This won't be anything that happens quickly, probably going to just acquire and build through this winter and next while running on stock axles for 1 more year. Unless everything happens to either fall in my lap or my budget gets a sudden massive increase. Anyway, the plans for this are stupid simple, and probably don't even warrant a build thread, but I'm bored so what the hell. Suspension works as it is and I like it, so it will stay radius arms in the front and leafs in the back, possibly going to add a bit more lift to account for increased tire size. 14 bolt is said to have 4.10s, if it does and if what ever 60 I find has 4.10s, I'll just run those gears for now so that I can get it wheeling sooner (and cheaper). I don't know what 60 I'm going with, probably an 88-91 KP with a shortened passenger side tube, not opposed to a ball joint 60, what ever falls in my lap first. Lockers will be an Aussie in the front ( I think they have a 60 locker now, if not test bed ? ::) , Rear will be a detroit since Cora doesn't have a 14b locker (yet).  Front will be trussed to make link mounts easier, rear will just be getting a pinion guard and a shave. Tires will probably be 37s or 38s, what ever I can find cheap and used. Nothing fancy, I just want to have bigger stuff so I don't have to pucker out of trying things because I'm afraid of my 30 exploding if I look at it wrong. Long term plans would be ORIs front and rear, 5.13s, selectables, after I get a cage on it as well.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on October 04, 2016, 10:14:13 PM
Pass the popcorn...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 04, 2016, 10:19:10 PM
Hope you have a lot of it. Might want to grab some Weggie's chocolate oreos too.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on October 04, 2016, 10:35:33 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: jacel86 on October 05, 2016, 07:02:38 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161005/211950fb2a7ea33b58b0b72fe889fcf7.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: rejeep on October 05, 2016, 07:29:16 AM
Until you break a 30 you don't know what they can't handle...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: wnyjpgy on October 05, 2016, 07:29:27 AM
that's a 10.5" ring gear 14 bolt out of a gas truck...right?

When I was searching for that axle (which there aren't a lot available reasonable), I found a lot of duramax ones with the non removable pinion support which have a 11.5" ring gear, they don't have as much aftermarket support as the 10.5" ring gear stuff.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 05, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
Until you break a 30 you don't know what they can't handle...

I've broken an 8.25 shaft, really don't want to deal with that 3 hour mess on the trail again, I'd rather just do what I'm going to do in the future anyway.

Yes, it's a 10.5, same as is under my 6.0 3/4 ton
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: rejeep on October 05, 2016, 08:49:56 AM
this is deff the wrong crowd for pimping stock axles, but with stock power and daily driver tires a 30 will last.. (directly associated with driver intelligence.. like everything)

when my Jeeps saw more trail than garage miles, it was never a D30 that slowed down the group.
I think they get a bad wrap for no reason..

but i love a good axle build :)


Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2016, 09:11:09 AM
daily driver tires

key point.

they will last incredibly well on 35s (Keith) and a little while on 37s (MikeO) too. but once you're wanting 37s or 38s: it's time.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on October 05, 2016, 09:39:02 AM
30s are fine as long as you are gentle and are OK keeping your Jeep out of terrain where a 30 doesn't belong. In my 30 days, I was OK at the first part and terrible at the second part.

You and I have discussed this before but aside from the fact that it means my Jeep fits between my enclosed trailer fenders (which is REALLY nice) I do not think I'd narrow a front axle again. At least not with aspirations for 40s, I'm making it work but they rub everything. Dan's fit with less lift, no way I'd get away with less than what I have now.

How wide is the rear anyway? My guess would be 67", in which case it's only 2" narrower than a front 60 will be. I made my 60 65" wide and my rear C&C 14b is 63" wide.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
D30 is 30 min or less to trail repair...

Golden Goose still rocking a D30 (35s)
Whatever still had a D30 (35s)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 05, 2016, 10:02:57 AM
but once you're wanting 37s or 38s: it's time.

This. I'm still going to be rocking another year on my 30 w/ 35s, but I want bigger, I want to try harder stuff. More specifically, I want to try harder things without AS MUCH fear of breaking. I know a 30 isn't as much time to repair, but the 30 isn't the only axle in question. Everyone who saw me break the 8.25 said it shouldn't have, but it did, meaning it can happen again. Also, maybe I'm just getting tired of balancing an egg under my right foot  ::)

The reason I want to narrow it a bit is I don't really want one side sticking out more than the other, and at some point I would like to run enclosed. I haven't even come close to acquiring a 60 so plans may/can always change with it. If it's too much of a hassle with no return, then I wont bother.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
you guys are bat shit crazy for wheeling anything smaller than tons and 40s


what a complete pain in the ass that was on the stupidest trails.



my 0.02$  lol
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: rejeep on October 05, 2016, 01:17:15 PM
hunting with a bow vs. hunting with a bazooka...
both effective and cool in their own respects... (coming from a non hunter)

my .02 cents.  ;D

Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on October 05, 2016, 01:41:50 PM
I am going to build my XJ with D30/C8.25 and run it on 33-35's (depends on what I find, I don't want to buy name-brand tires new). I have no doubt they'll hold up well enough to have plenty of fun.

On the other hand I did toyed with an idea to find a 94-99 Dodge Ram D60 (ball joint and unit bearings) and try to graft it in because 94-01 Ram 1500/2500/3500 have very close to same front suspension set up as ZJ/TJ/XJ

I was thinking to do two different possible routes eventually, if the D30/C8.25 starts to break on me every time I take it on the trail....;
1) cut the long side off at where the CAD cast is to delete it and re tube it to whatever length to use either chevy or ford passenger side inner shafts (to narrow it some) and run it
2) no tube cutting and just modify suspension brackets where needed to bolt it in and run the cheap stock H1 wheels (no recentering) bead locks as the dodge D60 is one wide sumbitch at around 72" WMS-WMS and its (unit bearings) hubs are flush so it wont be sitting way out to get smashed when running stock h1 wheels like either chevy or ford D60s will.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2016, 01:53:33 PM
both of  those are solid options
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 05, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
I thought dodge 60s were passenger drop. If they have basically the same set up as an XJ, that could definitely be an option for me since I'm not changing anything.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2016, 02:44:37 PM
93 down are chevy drop 94 up are ford drop. just like how chevy switched to to driver drop when they dropped the solid front axle. there's nothing passenger drop post-94 or so (I don't know exactly when Chevy went IFS across the lineup)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2016, 05:00:34 PM
1993 was the first year with everything IFS for Chevy
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 13, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
Finally getting a start to what I wanted this winter. Maybe not the axles, but 200' of tubing ordered.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on March 13, 2017, 06:00:34 PM
Nice!!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on March 13, 2017, 06:15:22 PM
ahhh fresh tube   ;D
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 13, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
Nothing set in stone and nothing super fancy, but this is how I'm thinking I want it to come out.
There's going to be an interior hoop behind the front seats bolting through to the roof for mid support and harnesses.
(http://i.imgur.com/xrTTPbz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2dYgV1W.jpg)

Sorry for huge pics
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 13, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
Got my new inner fenders done last night, finished buttoning it up today. Taking the Jeep Tuesday or Wednesday to the shop where I'm gonna be building the cage and starting that.

(http://i.imgur.com/6ME6OOi.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/R72QNcK.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/V3VnGxM.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/T6jKZPV.jpg?1)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 03, 2018, 07:39:42 PM
Holy hell, it's actually starting to look like a cage.

(https://i.imgur.com/oBbnvQ1.jpg)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 05:43:04 AM
I think this came out pretty good. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/055467c2c4d2267c05a480080a995626.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: dubt on June 07, 2018, 07:29:06 AM
Can't see the image
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on June 07, 2018, 08:04:54 AM
works for me


Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on June 07, 2018, 08:06:39 AM
I cannot see it either (TapaTalk)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2018, 08:18:54 AM
I think this came out pretty good. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/055467c2c4d2267c05a480080a995626.jpg)

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Weird. It’s a Tapatalk hosted image. Broken for me in Tapatalk too.


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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
I'll load it to imgur and fix it when I get home

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 10:10:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HMtiR5n.jpg)

Original one uploaded through tapatalk works on my PC browser, but not on my phone. Hopefully this one works.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: dubt on June 07, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
Works
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2018, 10:13:56 AM
that's some toob.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on June 07, 2018, 10:22:39 AM
that's some toob.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 10:33:14 AM
that's some toob.

I can't tell if that's good or bad XD
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: cracker on June 07, 2018, 10:39:36 AM
seems like a lot of exposed area by the doors, but that is hard to cover with keeping all 4 doors operational
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 10:40:23 AM
seems like a lot of exposed area by the doors, but that is hard to cover with keeping all 4 doors operational

Doors are off when I wheel
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2018, 10:47:51 AM
because Jeep®™!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: cracker on June 07, 2018, 11:07:13 AM
seems like a lot of exposed area by the doors, but that is hard to cover with keeping all 4 doors operational

Doors are off when I wheel

seems like more of a reason to have some protection there.. if you feel the need for the rest of the protection, seems like you would want to keep yourself protected if you lay it on its side on a rock..
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on June 07, 2018, 11:09:33 AM
tube doors?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 11:16:22 AM
I still have a full stick of tube left that I could make tube doors. It's just not high on the priority list atm
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on June 07, 2018, 01:25:59 PM
X on the inside anywhere? Looks good!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 07, 2018, 01:28:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Q1BHouB.jpg)

Yeah, I have an X inside.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on June 07, 2018, 01:59:46 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 24, 2018, 09:58:28 AM
I'm sorta thinking that after adding the weight of the cage, and the coming weight of the one tons this winter, an LS swap is gonna be in the future, especially if I want to keep this thing on the road.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on June 24, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
BleepinJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTxUclZDVpk&list=PL1U__4as20wEi-cLN05TusueNxcoZ2RAT) is doing a series on an LS swap into a Commanche. Not an easy undertaking...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on June 24, 2018, 10:44:12 AM
couldnt watch past the second video it took to push something into a garage sideways....


 ::)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on June 24, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
"Matt" does not work at sMike speed for sure...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 24, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
Turbo instead. Air to water intercooler instead of a frontmount. Cowl hood to help heat evacuation?

My bad idea


Just gear the tons right and it’ll be fine. You won’t likely want to do 70 for long stretches anyway.


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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 24, 2018, 02:45:14 PM
It's going to have to be evaluated after the onetons get in. I just hate that I was barely making it up a hill at 35mph at wide open throttle.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 24, 2018, 03:27:02 PM
that doesn't sound right at all. what's your current gearing and tire size?
I think Harry might be able to weigh in on expectations...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on June 24, 2018, 08:59:59 PM
Foot to floor 35mph is what I was doing with 8psi 39s 5.38s uphill in the dunes at Sand Hollow.

I agree with Mike. It will not be fast (never was) but that sounds like you may need to do some poking around.

I also vote for getting tons and big tires on the thing and wheeling it. Wheel it!!! Lots of trail seat time in a rig like this is what 1) makes you understand much more clearly the future mods you want/need to make and 2) is the only ROI you get for the dumb amount of time and money we dump into these things. Use it and use it as often as you can.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 24, 2018, 09:39:11 PM
that doesn't sound right at all. what's your current gearing and tire size?
I think Harry might be able to weigh in on expectations...

35x12.5 with 4.56 gears.

I entirely agree with Harry, It was just an impulse reaction to how it's handling with the extra 700 lbs of steel on it. I'm not gonna rule it out in the future though. I don't really want to turbo the 4.0 because, well I really just don't have any interest in it. I have a friend that swapped an L33 into his XJ last year, so at least if I do decide to go that route, I'll have someone to help that's done it before.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on June 25, 2018, 06:01:13 PM
How steep the hill are we talking about?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 26, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
How steep the hill are we talking about?

Fairly steep, but I didn't have my protractor with me, so I can't say for sure.

It's not that I want it to be fast, I just don't want it to struggle. Time will tell after this winter as to what I'm gonna do in the future.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 04, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
Soon.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZuPI9gp.jpg?1)

Things are already progressing to making sure this is done for a full season of wheeling next year, not just one trip and done. Got a truss for the 60 from TnT which will make it essentially bolt into my long arms that I have. Going with 5.38s and TORQ lockers front and rear. Gonna run a tapped steering box and factory assist. Stock shafts and hubs are staying for now, eventually I'll be running hardcore hubs. Tires are going to be what ever I can find used/cheap, hoping to find 37s or 38s. Brake master will also be getting an upgrade to a Ram 2500 van as per Harrison's recommendation.

Side note, I definitely jumped the gun on the LS swap idea. Brake was a lot more seized up than I thought it was. Kinda how my brain works in just jumping to the worst possible conclusion there is.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on August 05, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
if you plan to out source the gear work i recommend do not disassemble the diff / gears / pinion.  leave at least the housing as is for who ever you have do the install (if your not going to tackle it your self)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on August 05, 2018, 09:51:26 AM
Stock shafts will likely live a long time with the auto and 4.0L. Stock or even Warn hubs are a pretty good fuse. Put good joints in though, not just white box specials. Spicers are cheap-ish and strong.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 05, 2018, 02:13:02 PM
I'm gonna be doing the gears with help from friends, but I'm not taking them apart yet. I just wanted to pull the covers and inspect them / see what was inside, the 60 was actually full of water so it was probably a good thing I did. I'm only going to be cleaning them up and getting brackets removed for now until winter and acquiring parts as they come up as deals, fingers crossed for some black friday specials. This is something I really want to do as much as I can myself, and I really feel confident that I'll be able to tackle this. I figured that the stock shafts will be fine, especially considering I wheel with an egg shell under my gas pedal. As my confidence grows and I start realizing I don't need to cringe at the idea of the 30 or 8.25 blowing apart at anything remotely challenging is when I figured I'd at least get the 35 spline outers and good quality hubs. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on August 05, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
Full circle snap rings while you’re at it too.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 05, 2018, 02:48:51 PM
Do need to grind out the ears like you need to on the 30s to run full circle clips?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on August 05, 2018, 10:43:18 PM
Yes
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on August 06, 2018, 08:21:10 AM
Many aftermarket shafts are already ground, so maybe only on your stock inners and not the 35sp outers. Maybe.


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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: wnyjpgy on August 06, 2018, 09:14:29 AM
Are you keeping the stock coil/shock configuration in the front? (factory locations)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on August 06, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
Also, not all Ford axles had 35 spline inner axle shafts. I wouldn't run a 35 spline outer shaft unless the inner was 35 spline.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 06, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
According to the D60 bible on Pirate, the 78s have 35 spline inners and 30 outers. I'll double check when I start tearing it down to be sure. Outers wont be happening this winter anyway, unless the hubs are already trashed and I need new ones.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 06, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
So interesting little thing today. I've had a P0705 code plaguing me for a few months. Neutral safety switch testing came out fine, it's only a few years old anyway, and it hasn't been acting weird in terms of shifting. So I was looking for odd ball answers through forums, someone mentioned checking the blinker bulbs. I don't know why this would have anything to do with it, but when I got it inspected, I had to have one replaced because it was out, and it was right before my issues started happening. FSM says it takes a 194 bulb but apparently a 168 will also fit. The one he replaced it with when I got it inspected was a 168, so I bought a pack of 194s and replaced both side blinkers just to be safe. Boom, no more check engine light. So lesson learned, transmission issues can be cause by oddball blinker bulbs  ::)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on August 06, 2018, 11:16:33 PM
WTActualF?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: etk300ex on August 07, 2018, 08:39:44 AM
wow
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on August 07, 2018, 09:41:55 AM
Also, not all Ford axles had 35 spline inner axle shafts. I wouldn't run a 35 spline outer shaft unless the inner was 35 spline.

I believe ALL front D60s are 35spl inner.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 07, 2018, 10:11:43 AM
Are you keeping the stock coil/shock configuration in the front? (factory locations)

For now yes, they're staying in the same upper locations, the coil/shock mounts on my truss I ordered with being able to stretch the front up to 3"
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: wnyjpgy on August 07, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Nice..

 I used these for my coil/shock/ lower control arm mount and couldn't be happier. I pushed mine ahead as well.

https://www.ballisticfabrication.com/collections/link-brackets/products/xj-tj-jeep-combo-bracket-upgrade-kit

Who's truss are you using? Artec I assume?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: wnyjpgy on August 07, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
Correction.. It was this set..

https://www.ballisticfabrication.com/collections/link-brackets/products/link-bracket-coil-spring-and-shock-mount-combo
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 07, 2018, 10:44:31 AM
I'm going with TnT's truss to keep is as simple of a swap as possible for me. The only thing I have to do is weld the truss to the axle and weld the lower control arm mounts, which are keyed off of the truss. This should make it for the most part, bolt into my current suspension. The only thing I might really have to adjust is the frame side mount for my track bar.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: KingtheZJ on August 08, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
I’m inbound about parts
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on September 30, 2018, 08:53:01 AM
Acquired some 37s

(https://i.imgur.com/CKvKcIt.jpg?1)

Don't know why my picture didn't upload yesterday.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 29, 2018, 02:39:42 PM
Apparently I've been driving this thing around since August with one pin missing, and one broken pin in the rear Aussie since August

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on November 30, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
Got a bunch of parts over the past week to start work on this. Torq lockers, Revolution gears and install kits, solid dif covers, and the bracketry to mount the 14 bolt. Got the hubs and brakes all apart for the 60, gonna start stripping and cleaning it in the next weekend or 2.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on November 30, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
Are you going to do 3/4 ton brakes?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on November 30, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
Probably just running the brakes that are on the axles. The 14bolt is already discs anyway.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on December 26, 2018, 04:21:11 PM
Finally got a chance to work on this some. Living 45 minutes from your shop blows. Got the 60 stripped and cleaned, still have a small bit of the driver's side leaf perch to trim so the truss fits on. 14 bolt is half stripped, would have gotten further but my torches weren't agreeing with me and I ran out of cut off wheels and flap discs. Gonna get back at it Friday and hopefully get the front truss burned on and to the point that I can get it mounted to the control arms and start figuring out what I'm gonna do for steering and for a track bar.
(https://i.imgur.com/fnA0wxfl.jpg)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 06, 2019, 05:56:21 PM
Was hoping to get the truss fully burned in today. Got it mocked up, tacked, and did the first stitch weld. While I was waiting for it to cool, I decided to read all the way through the instructions again. Noticed it said I needed to notch the housing for the driver side lca mount. So I mocked it up and it looks like quite a bit more than a notch, especially since it cuts out a plug weld. I'm nervous about cutting that much away, so I figured I'd call them and just confirm that it's fine to cut that much away. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/ca6d54b42ac09b1b89c8257378756052.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/25016d8ad19bc588c2b59f0ea488503c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/49058f0f5b8b8ef9a13fd37114469a7f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/66b394f1a1f27337803c3eec407c2d24.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 07, 2019, 11:31:26 AM
Got a reply from tnt today.
"Yes you will need to cut away roughly 2 3/8 inch of the casting. To weld the lower control arm mount on you will weld on the inside of the lower control arm mount for the side next to the casting. I have attached a few pictures of a cut dana 60."

Guess I'll get back at it this weekend. It looks like they just used a cut off wheel to cut the chunk of the housing out. Anyone have any better ways to do it or is that going to be my best bet.
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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: wnyjpgy on January 07, 2019, 11:47:48 AM
Is this the 78-79 housing you got from Smike?

I'm surprised you have to cut that much, I run a 91 housing (less short side showing), and had to cut significantly less to make it work, but I didn't utilize a truss. (But I am in the factory coil/shock location)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 07, 2019, 11:57:56 AM
Yeah it is. The way tnt does there's is they put the lowers and uppers in the same spots as on the 30. I didn't think I would have to cut it at all, because it's got the longer driver side tube, but oh well. Hindsight is 20/20. Some other people have suggested just putting the lowers right next to the housing and not cutting it at all, but I don't know how that would work out with my control arms.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on January 07, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
that seems a little sketchy 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 07, 2019, 01:13:33 PM
Per discussing things with Harrison, I'm gonna trim the housing to get it to fit as close as I can, weld like TNT says on the inside of the bracket, and then I'm gonna heat the housing around the bracket and hit it with 7018 to weld the bracket to the housing.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on January 07, 2019, 01:23:00 PM
BleepinJeep just posted a video on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH4EcR1rrMA
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: wnyjpgy on January 08, 2019, 07:47:28 AM
Yeah, that video has a superduty  60 (Unit bearings give it away) that axle only has 1.5" of tube showing on the short side.

My 91 kingpin style had 3" ( I had to trim just a little)

The 78-79 has 6" which I would have thought would be plenty of room.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 08, 2019, 07:56:03 AM
It's because my truss puts the lca mounts in the same spot as they would be on the Dana 30. With rubber bushings I don't want to move them out any.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 08, 2019, 07:58:08 AM
It's not really a big deal, I thought the 6" of tube on the driver side would have been enough room too. The truss is going to strengthen the axle overall and I'm gonna weld the tubes to the housing. I think it'll be fine.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 13, 2019, 08:11:50 PM
Front truss welded on about 80%, ran out of weld wire. Notching went smooth and fairly easy taking a little bit at a time. LCA mounts probably not perfectly where they are supposed to be, but close enough to be a non issue. Heated up the housing and just welded it with the mig rather than bothering with stick, post heated and stress relieved, wrapped in old welding jacket and old horse blankets to cool slowly, hopefully no issues down the line. Thread is useless without pics but I'll get them when I'm out there next weekend and it's hopefully attached to some control arms.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 18, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
Picked up a set of these today. Kinda stupid how excited I am over a wheel, just I've wanted a set of these for years. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190118/1306a563e098335171a771fd880d7b74.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190118/5cbce8415fcd6f938f15e3cbf11f2333.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on January 18, 2019, 12:48:36 PM
Those are a favorite of mine
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 20, 2019, 05:12:43 PM
Got a little bit done today, not as much as I wanted thanks to the silver shit pile of a truck I have. Finished welding the front truss on and got it loosely mounted. Swapping out the driver side upper bushing for the johny joint I have in the 30 to keep it as a 3 link. Good news is I think I'll be fine running hydro assist, seems to be enough room for linkages. Still need to articulate the axle to check for clearances in order to figure out how I'll run it. If like to run a hi steer arm on the passenger side for the drag link and then just run the tie rod in the normal spot. Need to get the axle into its actual position and sort out the track bar. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/eea0e9465c5dc8b23c7c94b62dc1ec52.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/7e5abfe37408dc0c5196207f1a52bcd7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/a7d998cc7bad1f53c40875912dc54b9c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/a0ad5d8557e0f01640272a305748f0cc.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 20, 2019, 05:13:55 PM
Also seems that Harrison isn't the only one that needs to do some unibody repair. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/ad3a0c412f507008d01c34f6cd414db0.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on January 20, 2019, 11:34:02 PM
Joy!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 16, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
Back to work on this today. Got my track bar and drag link mocked up, or at least the first attempt at it. I think I'm gonna put 2 bends in the trackbar to go over and clear the dif as it gets REALLY close to where the cover would be. I have the week off this coming week so Ill be able to get a good amount of work into it. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190216/095f5e52bc6a6c11c5ee1f9d9ad471e2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190216/52e584e84226ec90eeb9151070255eea.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on February 16, 2019, 06:38:10 PM
Is that the ‘correct’ pitman arm installed? (Longer than original)

The heim joint on pitman arm seem like it may bind when passenger side drops, driver side stuffed. Gonna put a high steer on passenger side knuckle at least?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on February 16, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
It may be just the picture but the track bar seem to be much shorter? Look good otherwise! I hope all will go as smooth as it can for you next week 8)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 16, 2019, 07:32:09 PM
It's a waggy arm, so longer than the original XJ one. I still have some other testing to do, today was pretty much just getting the steering and track bar started, it's gonna need some refinement. I kinda thought I could get away without running a high steer on the passenger side, but looking at it now I kinda think I'm gonna need to, again, refinement. The track bar is shorter, but it's kind of where it's gonna have to be, in hind sight, I probably would have been better off running an inverted T type steering.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on February 16, 2019, 09:05:28 PM
Figure out how to double shear that bolt through the knuckle. Probably with a bracket off the spindle bolts or a high steer arm.

Track bar mount may deserve plating/wrapping the frame under/around it?

Fought bolt wobble all KOH on Jon’s bronco d44 under the 4632.  Same on pitman arm. His seems to have enough room to move with similar misalignment spacer setup.
Title: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on February 16, 2019, 10:36:02 PM
4.5” lift with nearly identical steering setup was not an issue with 10” shocks as far as pitman heim angle.

My steering has been single sheer for the last 6 years of wreck wheeling with this 60. Used to loosen up and need tightened at the knuckle every couple runs. Switched to fine thread and top lock and not an issue since. Wreck wheeling is infinitely easier on stuff like that than racing.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 17, 2019, 01:20:54 AM
Trackbar mount does wrap under the frame rail, not really sure how else I'd brace it other than welding plate and giving it more real estate along the frame rail. Old track bar mount survived with 2 bolts in the bottom and two on the side *shrug*. I'll probably add a high steer arm to double sheer the passenger side knuckle down the line if it becomes an issue. The real question is how long am I even going to keep this steering set up before I want full hydro and it all changes anyway. I'm just going with assist because it keeps costs relatively down for now. Trying not to lose my mind over the small stuff like the small amount of bump steer I might have with the difference in lengths for track bar / drag link. Some things I do know I'm gonna need to do, extend bump stop towers / add hockey pucks, and get limit straps (especially with the weight of the 60 compared to just saying "fuck it" with the 30).
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on February 17, 2019, 03:58:45 AM
I forget not everything is a racecar.

Plating side of frame is exactly what I had in mind.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 17, 2019, 07:19:07 AM
Gotchya, my frame rail is plated on the outside front to back. The underside of the front, at least on the drivers side will probably be plated since that's where the crack was that I posted before, and the inside and probably bottom of the rear section will be plated when I get to relocating the gas tank.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 17, 2019, 11:37:24 AM
Ordered a new axle side trackbar mount from RuffStuff. I think I'll be able to notch the front part of the bracket where the coil bucket is and pass it up through it while still clearing the coil. I'm hoping not only to fix the length issue but also the angle. Harrison also suggested to make a brace for the track bar because of the leverage that mount will put on the unibody. Even with the frame plating, I agree with him and will work it out once things are finalized in terms of where mounts are gonna go.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
full hydro seems easier than playing track bar bump stop games lol

give you guys credit for jaming this shit under unibodys.  i dont have any experience chasing bump stop issues from track bar / drag links. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 17, 2019, 03:02:05 PM
Would it be easier, sure. But it's an expense I can't afford at this moment. It'll happen down the line, but for now I'm gonna work with what I can.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
** bump steer not bump stop


its really not that expensive, even more so with single ended ram. 

find an orbital on ebay 100-200$
single ended tsc ram 100$
surplus hoses / fittins 100$
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on February 17, 2019, 05:00:43 PM
You are going to full width and coils are centered over tubes (unlikely oem set up) so take advantage of that by extending the frame side track bar mount further outside of the frame to bring your track bar length closer to drag link’s length. Angle is more important than length but still, try keep lengths close to same as you can. I had to shorten my track bar a little because tire rubs on the bracket when turning to right. My track bar is probably ~1.5” shorter than drag link, angles matches, no bump steer.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 17, 2019, 06:33:56 PM
** bump steer not bump stop


its really not that expensive, even more so with single ended ram. 

find an orbital on ebay 100-200$
single ended tsc ram 100$
surplus hoses / fittins 100$

Is that really all it is? I thought I would be dumping close to a grand because even surplus center orbitals are like $4-500 (last time I looked) and thought I would be needing a double ended ram. Oh well, lesson learned, I'm somewhat committed at this point.

Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on February 17, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
The only additional cost is the orbital to replace the steering box, and you have to mod the box anyway. So, in reality, is it a wash?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2019, 07:05:06 PM
shit i have a tsc ram id give you sitting on the shelf


"bump fitting" from a hydro shop to make your steering pump to AN6 is like 12$ then a couple 20$ hoses from surplus to the ram.  the orbital is the part you need to source.  being a trail rig it really doesnt matter what one you get so thats easy. 


quick ebay search looks like there are a dozen for around 100$ but you need to look up the PN and make sure its something load reactive
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on February 17, 2019, 08:07:45 PM
I love my single ended setup but josh hasn’t given up on the idea of driving this on the road a lot. Like everyone else who builds a one ton thing when they start and quickly realize it’s not worth it.

Josh - unless you’re willing to have uneven turns lock to lock and a steering wheel that’s never straight [things that don’t matter for wheeling]  I’d not suggest the budget full hydro setup.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 17, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
o who cares where the wheel is or what it does, meh
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on February 17, 2019, 09:21:02 PM
Three spoke wheel and it never matters
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 17, 2019, 09:42:33 PM
Three spoke wheel and it never matters

That's kinda something I was thinking if I decide to go that route.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on February 17, 2019, 10:52:09 PM
o who cares where the wheel is or what it does, meh

I would if I had a nice steering wheel with cruise control and was committed to street driving.

My Jeep has an old school pre airbag Jeep wheel and I don’t care where it is.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on February 18, 2019, 12:20:49 AM
If I were stuffing these parts in an xj id be committed to streeting it for a while. Otherwise why bother starting with something so challenging.

I miss license plates and 40s.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 18, 2019, 07:15:50 AM
I think I've decided that I'm gonna stick with assist. I do want to keep it on the road for a while, and while I know full hydro is doable on the street, I'd rather have that linkage going to the wheels. However rare it is, the idea that if a line goes, losing all steering while potentially going 55-70mph doesn't sound fun. Full hydro will come when I get to the point that this wont see much street time anymore.

That being said, I ordered a new axle side mount, gonna see where I can work that in to fix track bar/drag link length issues, and hopefully I can use the original track bar bracket as a mount for the assist ram.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 24, 2019, 02:16:16 PM
Got the 14 bolt tacked in, shop flooding put a bit of a hindrance on things. I need to take some time and really figure out how I can do the front. Droop is too much for drag link to mount to the normal spot on the knuckle and them heims bind up. I did get a high steer arm 2nd hand that I may be able to use, getting the track bar where it needs to go is what makes it complicated. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/86d1c035631fb11aa702fcd4c88163a5.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/270d7068eb4de51a4efd79e1a6bf200e.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 24, 2019, 04:00:21 PM
keep in mind your max heim deflection only happens when both front tires are drooped out (jumping the truck).  not common for a trail rig haha.

also do you have misalignment spacers, or sometimes you can cheat and clearance the bolts, add cone washers ect... 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 24, 2019, 04:45:17 PM
I didn't think about the max deflection only being when both front tires are drooped out, I do have misalignment spacers on them, I'll keep that in mind. I'm still going to sit down looking at it to have a good think about it, I got the new axle side track bar bracket, but it wont fit how I was hoping it would. I might just end up dealing with the bump steer but I want to see if I can get it to work out. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 24, 2019, 04:52:20 PM
ya most jeeps with any kind of aftermarket lift or steering system bind up when you pick them up on a 2 post lift letting everything go to full droop. 

i guess i still would like to steer in a jump or in a hill assault when the front end is light close to limit but again, mostly ignored in 99% of any trail rig use. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on February 24, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
Something like this would help, no?

https://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/R2237.html
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 24, 2019, 05:47:43 PM
Something like this would help, no?

https://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/R2237.html

I've already got heims for the steering and what not, I don't really want to spend another $500 on a different steering set up unless I have to.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on February 24, 2019, 05:50:05 PM
The idea was more about the pass side TRE and putting the drag link joint on a different axis. Maybe able to incorporate the same principle with the materials you have currently?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 24, 2019, 06:11:01 PM
It's a possibility, if it comes to it, I could always buy just the TRE with the drag link mount in it and run around with half TREs and half heim joints  :o
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on February 24, 2019, 06:59:51 PM
The down side to the geometry in the posted link is the dead spot from tie rod roll. It’s why similar factory incarnations are inverted Y not inverted T.

Something to keep the tie rod from rolling freely is needed when you tie the drag link to it. Some ways are breed than others - the Hack Shack rigs both run what I might consider the worst possible incarnation of it that I’ve seen but it works a charm. There’s just a tab off the top of the tie rod above the heim. It keeps the tie rod from rolling and it works. Proper loading and wear be damned.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on February 24, 2019, 07:48:13 PM
still keeping the OEM tank location?  maybe Harry can answer better on 4DR XJ clearances but running bigger rubber starts to fight diff cover to tank clearance vs rear door fender tin work i believe.  tank usually looses! 


cant wait to see another 1 ton XJ hawging on the trail!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 24, 2019, 08:11:26 PM
Tank is getting raised into rear cargo area, not quite sitting on the floor. Gonna cut a hole and use the gas tank skid as a tub for it to sit in.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on February 25, 2019, 03:25:04 PM
My tank went fully inside before I had clearance issues. It was close with 1” stretch and Solid cover though. Lot of bang for buck with tank relocation.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on February 25, 2019, 05:31:28 PM
Think I got my drag link / track bar sorted out. Drag link going to the high steer arm and I can get the new track bar mount to JUST fit on the spring perch bracket. Drag link cleared everything sitting on the bumpstops set for my 35s. I couldn't check the drag link because my 3/4" drill bit was dull and I couldn't get the hole drilled out to try it, but it looks like it'll clear. As a small bonus I should be able to use the original track bar mount for the hydro assist cylinder. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190225/cc477dc1ed45cad71c6a21dfd42d90b4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190225/df363d5a83639d3a55d63c5f22590f54.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190225/5cfac3663ad3e86d0a7551b67cab5fae.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 04, 2019, 10:06:23 AM
Things getting closer and closer. Trackbar bracket works at full bump set for 35s, need to move the bracket an inch to the driver's side to match the drag link length exactly, angles are damn near the same. Hoping to get this buttoned up next weekend so I can get it fully sitting on its own weight to check over things, full weld the rest of the brackets and get it pulled apart again for cleaning, paint, and gearing. I'm pretty confident I'll be able to make my goal of having this thing ready by the end of April.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on March 04, 2019, 12:48:33 PM
putting an s bend for the diff and oil pan can help get your bump height down too once your happy with effective length and effective angles are happy. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 04, 2019, 01:16:20 PM
Not really sure I'll need it, I have a bit over an inch of clearance for full bump on both sides with my stops set for running 35s. I already know I'm going to add more bump stop for the 37s so I'm thinking I can get by just using straight tube.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on March 04, 2019, 01:34:17 PM
seems like with that much bump and no oil pan issues the jeep will be stupid high compared to what i have seen usually...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 04, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
I haven't changed springs at all. I only have an a few inches of up travel from ride height, maybe 3 after bump stops have been adjusted. The majority of my articulation comes from droop rather than up travel. Maybe you're right and I'll have to change some things, I won't really know until I get it sitting on some rubber.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 04, 2019, 02:55:20 PM
Put that bend in there if the track bar ends up being the limiting factor. Agreed that I've usually seen tires unable to come close to hitting body with that much oil pan clearance.

the more up you have, the better it'll ride. I'd expect to see 2" to fender at full stuff, leading to zero or minus a half at full twist? You may need to limit droop to keep shaft angles happy too, that can certainly be a thing on occasion depending on geometry.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 04, 2019, 03:45:35 PM
Just so it's clear, that picture is of it sitting on the bump stops, not ride height.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 04, 2019, 04:02:38 PM
I noticed that. Seems sky high.
Title: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on March 05, 2019, 09:31:56 AM
We’ve discussed privately but my advice: ignore current springs, set axle CL to 4.5” of lift relative to body. If there is at least 3” of up travel before bumps, run it. If not, adjust bumps for 3” of up and adjust steering and trackbar for oil pan clearances accordingly.

I maintain that the high steer arm is not needed and making things closer to pan than they need to be. But, it’s all speculation until you do what I suggested above.

I ran 37s at 4.5” lift with 2-3” of up travel and did not have oil pan clearance issues even running a flat, non-drop Waggy arm and TB mount much closer to the body than yours.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on March 05, 2019, 09:54:40 AM
My track bar and drag link touch my oil pan at full stuff (I still need to extend my bump stops). It’s not like the oil pan is cast aluminum where they’ll shatters on impact and unlikely I will bottom out the front suspension on a regular basis, anyhow.

IMHO a true cross over steering with drag link as close to parallel to ground as possible at ride height is the way to go for on a street driven rig.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on March 05, 2019, 11:18:24 AM
i cant possibly begin to comprehend only 2-3" of up travel being acceptable on anything i would ever trail ride.  just sounds destructive, massively uncomfortable, or speed of snail to be tolerable.   




Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 05, 2019, 11:56:04 AM
5" up is new minimum acceptable, and air bumps in front. Once you have uptravel you really can't go back.

I did 2" up for a while and it was murder. I don't remember what I had later in dakota's life but that 2" was just absolutely awful.
Title: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on March 05, 2019, 12:09:20 PM
I’m about 2” up in the front and 1.5” in the rear. What I have to do to fit 39s, and that’s at 6” of lift. Maybe my springs are stiff enough to keep from bottoming all the time, maybe the Bilsteins help, maybe 6psi in the tires helps... but I don’t find it to be an issue. Occasionally if I hit something right it will bottom and I can feel it, but definitely not torturous. I was doing ~25mph in the small sand whoops at Sand Hollow with that setup. Hasn’t changed in years.

You will definitely be sky high if you want 5” of up in an XJ with 37s that actually gets flexed.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on March 05, 2019, 01:35:18 PM
2-3" is what most stock Jeeps have, no? Not racing. It'll be fine.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 05, 2019, 02:27:06 PM
cut the fenders! if it still doesn't fit CUT THE HOOD!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 05, 2019, 02:31:25 PM
I've had 2" of up travel for years, I'll be fine.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 05, 2019, 02:50:56 PM
can I cut your hood, then? :evil:

full disclosure: I'm completing nothing other than boring DD maintenance/neglect. I'll just keep throwing stones while the buggy quietly rusts in the garage with tcase and spare mount and maybe fuel system issues, still in need of a looser converter and tuning.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 05, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
When I inevitably get to juggy status and Bob the front, I'll let you have the honors

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 10, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
Got a bunch done today. Drag link and track bar are made, and not out of pvc. Upper control arm adjusted. Have some adjustments to make but she sat on her own weight today, and she's level! Driver's side spring is catching on the trackbar bolt. Johny joint that I had in the 30 to run as a 3 link is too big for uca mounts on the truss. Also need to double check long arm lengths because the passenger side spring is bowed a bit.
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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 10, 2019, 06:06:17 PM
Apparently I also need to switch my upper to be on the passenger side. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190310/a0f7ed09f91fa70e81418ee1e9ba7ef1.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2019, 07:57:52 PM
Typically don't want a single upper to be on the passenger side. You're not radius arm, so less camber change with droop than I dealt with, but watch that pinion ujoint angle at full articulation - it can sometimes get u-g-l-y.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 10, 2019, 08:38:16 PM
It is a radius arm, and the reason I need to switch it to the passenger side is because of the pinion yoke, it's coming in full contact with the upper and bracket off of the long arm. What's wrong with having the upper on the passenger side?

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2019, 09:36:00 PM
full passenger up, driver down. pinion doesn't rotate up at all. exceeds max joint angle at pinion if you have good down travel.

mind that for sure.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 10, 2019, 10:32:59 PM
full passenger up, driver down. pinion doesn't rotate up at all. exceeds max joint angle at pinion if you have good down travel.

mind that for sure.

It'll be something I have to keep an eye on when I try it. If it does cause issues I'll have to move the upper mount on the long arm, it interferes enough that the pinion wont even spin at full driver's stuff.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on March 31, 2019, 10:27:25 PM
Been a while since I've updated. Had a few broken parts that delayed much progress on top of real life things coming up. Got a bunch of things squared away today, only have a few things left to do in terms of getting the fab work done. Next weekend I should be able to to have everything fully welded so I can pull the axles back out so they can be painted, geared, and reassembled with bearings, brakes, etc. Build may carry a bit into May, but only because of other things that need to get done, like relocating the fuel tank and fixing the rot in the frame rails.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 06, 2019, 07:41:47 PM
Ran into some issues and I'm not really sure how to proceed. Trackbar mount on the axle side was hitting the drag link so I moved it back to where there's just a fraction of an inch at full passenger lock (where it comes closest to contact). Only now there's virtually no room for the coil spring, it contacts and gets hung up on the nut for the trackbar. I can't move the coil buckets back any further to prevent the coil from hitting the bolt or my bump stops won't make contact. I also can't move the axle forward anymore because I'm at the end of the threads safely on my control arms. I could use the trackbar mount that was built into the truss, but that would make the trackbar 5-7" shorter than the drag link (you can see it in a picture earlier in the post), and they wouldn't exactly be parallel. Room for mounting the assist cylinder would also become a concern. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/d7988fd53d9abbbe75d92aa4592556d4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/4e7d76bae60ce5fc52823ae763328670.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on April 06, 2019, 08:34:03 PM
Can you modify the axle track bar mount so that it is notched in providing the space needed for the nut and shorten or eliminate the misalignment spacers on that end (I think it is important to keep the shoulders of the helm butted up against he bracket to eliminate slop)?

The spacers on the frame side should handle the little bit of misalignment that will be present through the travel.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on April 06, 2019, 09:11:25 PM
carriage bolt with a round head?   lol
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
Head to the coil, not but. Thin it/round it. Down the hatch.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on April 07, 2019, 08:23:05 PM
Head to the coil, not but. Thin it/round it. Down the hatch.

You watching too much Letterkenny?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 07, 2019, 08:26:02 PM
Head to the coil, not but. Thin it/round it. Down the hatch.

This just gives me the same problem but in reverse, I'd have to move the mount back further because the nut would still be contacting the drag link.

Can you modify the axle track bar mount so that it is notched in providing the space needed for the nut and shorten or eliminate the misalignment spacers on that end (I think it is important to keep the shoulders of the helm butted up against he bracket to eliminate slop)?

The spacers on the frame side should handle the little bit of misalignment that will be present through the travel.

I'm gonna give this a shot, I'll have to make a mount from scratch. I have some "narrow misalignment" spacers from an idea of using my old frame side bracket that should work. I can't run it without a spacer as I don't have a 7/8" drill bit for the full size of the heim joint. Worst comes to worst I move it over to the driver's side and shorten the track bar some, after talking to some other people it doesn't seem to nearly be as bad of an issue as I thought it was going to be.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2019, 12:01:28 AM
Down the hatch.

You watching too much Letterkenny?

Just enough.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 22, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
Victory! Time to get it fully finish welded and pulled apart for cleaning, gearing, and reassembly (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190422/1c085040a508324c6e49d425c729c189.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on April 22, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
Hurry up, Big Dogs is at the end of the week!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 22, 2019, 01:04:29 PM
Feel free to come out and do gears for me XD

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 25, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Axles fully finished and pulled, doing gears on Saturday. Rot continues to look worse and worse the more I poke at it, need to pull belly pan to fully access, gonna try and do that tomorrow. It's kind of a 2 person job but I'm gonna see if I can pull some sketchy stuff with the lift and planks of wood. Once I get that done, I'm gonna drop the gas tank and start planning out how it's gonna sit and what I need to get to mount it in the cargo area. I have a good idea, my shackle boxes have some metal plates sandwiching the floor. I think I might just run some angle across those and where my cage mounts and strap it in using those. Ordered the ram and some fittings from Surplus Center, still need to make a tie rod (needs bends in it to clear the dif cover), but I'll do that after the axles are back under it. Got the bolts loose holding the steering box in, so that's ready to get pulled and tapped. All brake and bearing parts are sitting behind me. Only a few things left to order (Wheel studs and lug nuts, fuel lines, brake lines, and hydraulic lines) and it should be ready to roll. It's really nice that I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on April 25, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
Notch the cover to clear the tie rod? I had to do that to my D30 to clear.

I feel your pain, I found a ton of thin spots with needle scaler.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on April 27, 2019, 08:52:15 PM
It seems Murphy's law decided to hit today. Was getting into doing gears on the 14 bolt and discovered that it has a g80 in it, meaning the torq locker won't work in the carrier. So currently I am on the hunt for a different open carrier and spiders, or another 14 bolt to steal parts from. Quick look at Craigslist and the only one I see is $250 and new parts through rock auto are $320 shipped. What ever happened to all the $100 14 bolts laying around?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190428/2fb1a4b0fe4202053d43cdeaf49e4f32.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on May 12, 2019, 08:23:14 PM
Small update. Carrier has been acquired as of last week thanks to the power of the internet. Gearing has been slow due to time being taken up by life existing, should have the 14 bolt done tomorrow night should nothing interfere. In the mean time while I haven't been able to work on the gears with a friend, I've been plugging away at some of the smaller things needing to be done. Worst spot on the frame has been 75% patched, would have finished it today but the plague hit and has had me couch ridden. Fuel tank has been moved to the rear hatch area and a small support framework has begun to take shape. I was going to make a full cage like thing around it, but aside from the fact that I'd like a fuel cell in there in the near future, it's just gonna take up valuable time. Steering box has also been removed in prep for tapping. Taking another shortcut with this, I'm just gonna tap one of the good (non leaking) spare boxes I have without pulling it apart. I still have the seal/rebuild kit to take my original box apart, but that'll be after it's on the road when I have more time (when I'm not crunching to get it on the road). The one ton dodge master cylinder is also underway, I just need to get a small bolt to extend the push rod and modify the bracket for the proportioning valve and it'll be ready to go. After those, the only things left will be plumbing brake lines, drilling my 60 hubs for m14x1.5 wheel studs, mounting the tires on the rims, and putting it all together.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 03, 2019, 12:12:27 PM
Update over the past few weeks. 14 bolt gearing done, welded the axle tubes, finishing cleanup and get ready for paint. 60 is at about 60% complete, pressure washed it last weekend and cleaned out the tubes and center section, all bearings pulled, locker installed in carrier, new grease in kingpins. Guy I'm doing the gears with is limited on time, but is very thorough on doing things right. He's having the old bearings machined to use as set up bearings as well as having pieces made to press bearings onto the pinion. Brake master is installed and just needs to be plumbed once the axles are back in. Steering box situation is being a hassle. Spare box I have has destroyed threads for the pitman arm nut, and the box that was in the Jeep leaks really bad. Went to Wilbert's this weekend to try and get another box, but everyone I tried to pull just ended up bending the jaws on my pitman arm puller to the point that I didn't dare try and harder.  Not really sure what I'm gonna do about it, I've been trying to source one that someone might have laying around to no avail, I might try the u pull it next to where I work to see if I have any better luck. I did tap my original box anyway just so I have something to put in, but I really don't have a ton of faith in it. While at Wilbert's, I did manage to get a 4.7 WJ steering pump should my XJ one not be up to snuff, and while looking to grab a spare set of OE lockouts for the 60, I stumbled across of Superwinch hubs off of an F350, so I was pretty happy about that.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 03, 2019, 03:55:41 PM
Machining bearings to makes setups? Special parts for pressing? Hmmm

Automotive pitman arm pullers are universally trash. Big 2 jaw puller is where it’s at. Hopefully it fits.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 03, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
Mine is a 2 jaw puller, and we didn't have anything to fit over the pinion shaft and press the inner bearing on so he's gonna have something made up to do it. And as far as machining open the inner part of the side bearings, it's just that it's something he can have done while I'm not at his shop to work on it. Don't really see what's so wrong with that.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on June 03, 2019, 10:31:31 PM
Typically just open them up with a die grinder by hand
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 04, 2019, 06:39:03 AM
I mentioned that to him, he said that it could cause the bearing to sit unevenly on the shaft and throw things off. Oh well, that's not why we stopped for the night so if he gets the ID opened up at work, no skin of anyone's back. We still didn't have anything the right size to press the pinion bearings in.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on June 04, 2019, 01:17:42 PM
Don’t have to be a pipe to go over the pinion. Alternatively Use a bearing separator, put pinion shaft down and bearing to sit on separator, press down on pinion head.

I’m pretty sure I have a piece of pipe for this, and I have a bearing separator too. Lmk if you’ll like to borrow.

By the way master ball joint adapters kit double as bearing press adapters lol. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2019, 01:46:54 PM
i use harbor freight chisels to press bearings on and off.  no issues ever.  with all things involving a hammer, you cant been a moron. 

i do have full setup bearings for any and every axle i would ever work on also. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on June 04, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
Big 2 jaw puller is where it’s at. Hopefully it fits.

i have this one. work excellent, zero deflection whatsoever. pricey to buy new tho

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 04, 2019, 08:14:53 PM
i use harbor freight chisels to press bearings on and off.  no issues ever.  with all things involving a hammer, you cant been a moron. 

i do have full setup bearings for any and every axle i would ever work on also.

how do you press them on with chisels? Don't you want/need equal pressure around it?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on June 04, 2019, 11:05:50 PM
its a hardened steel bearing race that does not give a single fuck about what you are doing to it compared to any materials around it
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on June 05, 2019, 10:09:59 AM
its a hardened steel bearing race that does not give a single fuck about what you are doing to it compared to any materials around it

Are you saying you tap it around in a circle? Press fit stuff usually likes to get loaded pretty straight, usually I just take a piece of tube with ID/OD that lands on the inner race and send it home with a hammer or use the press.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on June 10, 2019, 12:19:27 PM
Got the 60 done this weekend, lucked out and got a good pattern and backlash on first shot. Would have worked on getting the tie rod and assist cylinder mount made but I had to work on a friends car to make a bit of money. Next weekend should be that, clean up and paint, finish last little bit on frame rail, and reassembly.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2019, 01:17:16 PM
its a hardened steel bearing race that does not give a single fuck about what you are doing to it compared to any materials around it

Are you saying you tap it around in a circle? Press fit stuff usually likes to get loaded pretty straight, usually I just take a piece of tube with ID/OD that lands on the inner race and send it home with a hammer or use the press.

get it started and hit it with a chissel, if it get stuck, hit it 180 from that point.   usually pinion heads for aftermarket like 4.88 or 5.38 on most axles are small enough you can do the same for bearing removal.  stock big pinion heads you need multiple chisels in another prioritary process to remove pinion bearings :) 


i dont like those pullers that evenly pull on the cage.    Erik and Brett have them i believe. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on June 10, 2019, 02:17:49 PM
Got it.

Dan has had one of these for years. Not sure if that’s what you mean. I think it’s the tits.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
yup, those.  i like to feel what im doing and stop before damage occurs, not just pull a trigger.  but everyone figures out the best way for them. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on June 11, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
Got it.

Dan has had one of these for years. Not sure if that’s what you mean. I think it’s the tits.

https://www.yukongear.com/productdetails.aspx?ProdID=5277

I learned quick after a few of cages blown apart and rollers scattered across the bench. That happen from user error. 

I love mine.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on July 14, 2019, 11:33:23 PM
Holy hell, it's been a month since I've written anything about this. Today was a bit of a milestone, but first I'll go over what's happened since my last post. Gearing the axles took way longer than I had hoped it would take just due to scheduling and a few hiccups while doing it. After I had gotten them back and started to get them back under the Jeep, I had expected smooth sailing, it certainly wasn't that.

First off, and probably the biggest thing, is that I'm losing my shop. Even though I've been off on my own for a while, mom decided she wasn't interested in the house being by herself, put it up for sale, and accepted a good offer. While this is great for her, it's not so good for me. When she told me about her accepting the offer, I was told I had 6 weeks to get my Jeep done and my shop packed and moved out. To most people, that would probably be plenty of time to finish re-assembly, but I'm not most people. First off, the original axle shafts wouldn't fit into the locker, even after getting some replacement side gears. I even tried a friends spare shafts and they wouldn't fit. Cora recommended that I should get new shafts, because of the age of the original ones, they could have been just different enough to be causing the issue. After some hesitation over money, I decided to commit and got a set of chromoly yukon shafts, 35 spline outers, and Yukon hardcore hubs. They were something I planned on doing next winter anyway and I was running out of time and options. Along with that, I was / am having issues with the drag link binding at full droop. My links are pretty much flat while at ride height but it seems like they run out of travel awfully quick. I have some ideas as to what it could be and how to remedy it, I have to do some testing to know for sure, but I may just throw some limit straps on it and deal with it for now. I've also had some issues with brake parts that I didn't know about slowing down assembly such as the caliper guide pin bolt missing, of which was never there to begin with because today when I went to install it, the remains of the shaft were still in there.

Anyway, today she finally sat on all 4 wheels on her own weight. The "to do" list is slowly getting shorter and shorter. What I figure I have left to do is run the brake lines and bleed, install the front driveshaft, order and install rear shocks, get the steering sorted (may be putting assist on hold depending on time just to get it mobile), secure the gas tank in the back, finish welding the steering/trackbar links, and paint the 60. Although it seems like a short list, as of now, I've got 2 weeks to finish it AND pack the shop up. Should be fun, fingers crossed  ::)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on July 15, 2019, 08:20:07 AM
Disheartening to lose the workspace, for sure. Make a couple of priority lists and hit the critical stuff first. It is going to be a busy couple of weeks for you...
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2019, 08:45:58 AM
Definitely a busy couple weeks. Good luck with all
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on July 21, 2019, 08:54:37 PM
Got the assist mounts made and tacked on today. Lines are ordered, running brake lines and what not tomorrow.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on July 30, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
This thing is out of the shop! And it is a straight, smooth 60mph cruiser. I drove it home last night and was really surprised at how normal it felt. The steering is a bit more touchy, but she had no problem with the cruise control on at 60. I did need to cut one of the front cage supports off and trim the bumper (will trim the fenders in the front to match), and the brakes need a bit of tweaking, but other than that it's drivable. For wheeling status I need to install limit straps to not destroy the steering, and I need to adjust the transfer case linkage. Currently will not engage into 4 low, I'm assuming that's from the new transfer case mount I installed. Overall I'm really, really happy with how it came out.


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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: cracker on July 30, 2019, 12:18:51 PM
congrats!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on July 30, 2019, 12:30:30 PM
Let's go wheelin!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on July 30, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
Congratulations on gittin er dun! There's no feeling quite like that first drive, and no feeling quite like 5 minutes in when it hasn't flown apart :)
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on July 30, 2019, 01:08:08 PM
nice! 

dont be afraid to get long hydro hoses and run them all the way up the links and then back forward to keep them out of harms way.  if you dont know about surplus center check them out 15-25$ hoses any size.   my car has all 3 90" hoses that i run with and on board spare to fit any place. 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on July 30, 2019, 08:03:38 PM
Surplus center is where I got my lines, ram, and fittings. I had to zip tie the longer one to keep it out of the harmonic balancer, but I think it's okay now. Day 2 of driving on the road and I still can't get over how well it's road manners are. Limit straps ordered, once I get my shop packed up and set, I'll get to installing them and getting my transfer case linkage adjusted before I'm fully out.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on August 08, 2019, 08:00:11 PM
Installed the limit straps in, went over everything, and changed the oil. Only thing that loosened up was the vent tube fitting, which is now gone. Didn't have any fitting on hand that fit, currently has a plastic barb and some rubber tube wedged in and rtved until I notice it at some point in the future to fix it.

Got her red 2020 sticker today, twisted things up on the lift while I have it to check over everything. Fenders need to be trimmed more in the front, so that's an easy fix. The rear rubs on a smooth flat part of the cage so I'm unconcerned about that, 39s will require some cage modification and comp cut in the rear. Until then, I think she's ready to go. Shake down at the club picnic and rausch the weekend after. I can't wait. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190809/7efaf361ab3df2a913563db85903b538.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on August 08, 2019, 09:03:37 PM
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on September 06, 2019, 01:41:08 PM
Track bar bracket and frame rail borked


I was very happy with how this thing performed at rausch/aoaa, even with the breakage. Starting plans for a few small winter projects: New seats and 5 point harnesses, rebuild king pins and get a good high steer arm to fix binding issue for more down travel, possibly pulling drive line to plate inside of frame rails and clean up nastyness. Maybe gonna start seeing about bigger, stickier tires, though I was impressed with the 37" toyos I have now.

Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2019, 03:10:01 PM
Track bar bracket and frame rail borked

what did you do? I somewhat been expecting similar problem on my XJ but it's still going on strong after few trips to AOAA/RC and 10k miles of daily driving and zero issue, whatsoever.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on September 06, 2019, 03:41:49 PM
Metal around the welds gave

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 02, 2019, 08:01:29 AM
Finally got around to fixing this thing. Bottom of the uni rail was pretty eaten away under the original track bar support plate. It was stupid to run it the way it was when I originally put it together but I was pressed for time with losing my shop. Plated the rail in 3/16 all the way around with a piece of 5/8 in the middle tying both sides together. Also added a small buttress to help distribute forces to the inside of the rail instead of just the outer bottom and outside. I may still add a support under the oil pan to the other side but I think this is plenty strong now. I miss welding under my lift, being on my back on the concrete blows, first world problems. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191002/9608f737c2b29c008089b6b596c2f8dc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191002/876bbbf9c17f4403d8ba972e3b023ec0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191002/0b79fac461a6794c815b77567357a998.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191002/fa6a46185685fedb64d37aea0bcdfd25.jpg)

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on October 02, 2019, 09:26:51 AM
Much better!
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 17, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
It's always the week before a trip -_-(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191017/79e4ebf38b0d4f236e9804bb3e08d310.jpg)

Jeep is idling at 1500 rpm, won't shift out of 2nd. Most of this I'll probably ignore, I don't go beyond 2nd wheeling. The high idle would be nice to figure out.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on October 17, 2019, 02:49:01 PM
vacuum leak?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 17, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
I kinda doubt it but it's possible I suppose. I have a suspicion that it could be the iac, even without throwing codes, since I have no drip tray on my hood vents and the throttle body is right under it.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Wingman on October 17, 2019, 03:49:30 PM
Remove it and clean? Caleb did that on a red trail at F&F and it worked for the rest of the weekend.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on October 17, 2019, 06:10:50 PM
I’d throw at TPS at it and see what happens. They are failure prone and cause all kinds of weird issues.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on October 17, 2019, 06:43:56 PM
pull intake tube off trottle body, start   stick finger in iacv hole.  if RPM goes down your iacv or iacv wiring / driver is bad.  if no change its at full authority closed and trying to lower idle and you have another issue (vac leak ect). 
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 17, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Figured out the high idle. Unplugged the map sensor and it smoothed out, pluged it back in and it was a little bit better. Did the same with the tps and the idle went back to normal. Drove it a bit and it's got a dead spot at about 1/4 throttle. Confirmed by watching a data stream on my scan tool, says it's at 87% throttle when im not touching it. Gonna get a new tps and map sensor and it should be good. Solinoids in trans are probably gummed up and I'll replace this winter.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on October 18, 2019, 02:07:46 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised if all your problems go away after the TPS change. Shift points are based on throttle position too.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 18, 2019, 02:37:51 PM
Probably not wrong, I'm gonna pull the pan on the transmission and at least clean the solinoids up anyway. My pan is in pretty rough shape and leaks pretty bad, it was on the project list anyway. I'm gonna go through with swapping the map since the one on it is still the original and I already ordered the replacement.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 29, 2019, 08:56:57 PM
Back to running like shit again after taking it through Delta Scratch it. Only guess is water going through the hood vents onto the throttle body sensors is killing them, but dying after being exposed to water once is kinda surprising, especially after packing them with dilectric grease in the connectors. Symptoms are some high idle (1k rpm) that calms down to normal, stumbling at idle and at speed, transmission going into 2nd while driving at random, had 2 stalls in parking lot when I started it up.
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Harrison on October 29, 2019, 09:09:38 PM
Boooo

Did you replace TPS? Did you see if anything was wet under the hood while it was happening?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: M4wdFab on October 29, 2019, 09:15:32 PM
do you have some rice burner intake on this hawg?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 29, 2019, 09:26:32 PM
I did replace the tps. I wouldn't call it a rice burner intake, it's a cowl intake. Just a cone filter that takes air from where the hvac intake is, but there's no opening above the filter to get wet from. The only reason I suspect the sensors again is it ran fine all weekend, and this morning, but the second I go through the car wash, it acts up.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on October 30, 2019, 10:48:17 AM
Another new TPS sorted this out, at least on the short test drive around the block. We'll see how it does with it raining out today. Must have just had a garbage one that wasn't sealed all that well. Would putting a little bit of high temp RTV around the sealing edges be a bad idea?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: mr.mindless on October 30, 2019, 11:10:09 AM
maybe that and a splash shield over it? Like literally some duct or gaff or electrical tape for the time being?
Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on December 13, 2019, 04:47:24 PM
Last few pieces for this winter's upgrades just got here. Kingpin rebuild kits, new highsteer arm and springless cap, bronze bushings, studs, and knuckle re-enforcement plates. As soon as we get electric in the new shop, it'll be time to go to town.

I would like to get some new fixed seats, the ones mark has are a lot more comfortable than mine, we'll hav to see if it's in the cards for this winter.

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Title: Re: TFT The not white unibody
Post by: Callelle on January 12, 2020, 05:48:31 PM
Splurged a bit for the sake of a more comfortable seat. I liked my corbeaus but the side bolsters were too tall and thinly padded for chonkers like me, leaving me with bruises after a weekend of wheeling. Also gonna be ordering some prp 5 point harnesses to go with them.

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