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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2014, 05:14:04 PM
Car has a new owner (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131114212351/elderscrolls/images/5/53/Wave_Smiley_Emoticon.gif)


Did some shakedown yesterday. Aside from finding a missing zip tie by blowing the neg post off the battery, all seems well.

It needs some adjustments for me. I'm going to try raising the rear of the driver seat mounts an inch or so. That may make the wheel OK, along with improving visibility. I have at least 8" of headroom now. The steering wheel may still need to come down some but it's an easy change.

Near term adjustments will be made to harnesses, all three shifters (the interlock pills are completely removed from that case, aren't they? It was grinding in front low like the rear wasn't all the way out.), and limit straps will be added. Rear lights will be adjusted for race rules. I'd like to put an emergency use grand master kill on the ground side of the battery that EVERYTHING goes through. Needs extinguishers.

Low Clearance signage will be added inside my trailer  :-X

mid term plans include improving wiring, replacing switches, moving the orbital to the far side of the firewall with a longer and maybe adjustable column, changing brake pedal ratio or adding a booster (plenty of brakes... with 400+# of pedal effort), and deciding on a next tire, I think KRTs aren't for me and aren't for the wet east. Fan control will be changed, using a controller I already have. High always is too noisy for rec wheeling.


Thought I hit post on this 4.5 hours ago. I guess I lost the window...
Looks like 4 good tech inspection failures right now. Belts and neutral saftey aren't happening by Friday.

Grand master kill switch that's going to go ~3" away from the battery. I'll bypass it with something fused at 5-10a if I need to for a race tracker or something like that, but I want to be able to SHUT IT ALL OFF after twice not burning it up.
http://www.waytekwire.com/item/44057/MASTER-BATTERY-DISCONNECT/

And I think this will be the shifter, with shift plate mods.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bmm-81041

Edit to add parts:
Belt with 130a alt and goatbuilt brackets and undersized p pump pulley: 80”

Lower front rad hose: 21997

rear swaybar is 1.25" 37 1/2" length Schroeder bar. 39 spline, matches 572 and 928.

Brian from ADS suggests 200-225psi fully extended for racing. Can go down to 150psi at ride height for trail riding
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 07, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
maybe a 400amp fuse would be better somewhere.  i think adding a disconnect will just add to the fix bill.  it will be to late, and whatever wants to blow will blow long before you realized what happened. 

limit straps add to list. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2014, 05:37:56 PM
there's a longish list that includes those but they do belong on mid/near not long.

a fusable link and it's automaticness is probably not a bad thing at all. The ability to kill ground in the case of a sub-400a failure isn't bad either though.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on April 07, 2014, 06:23:55 PM
Congrats
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on April 07, 2014, 07:42:22 PM
Awesome.

Let me know when you want some sticky Krawlers.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 07, 2014, 09:09:42 PM
Sweet.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: SlvrJK on April 07, 2014, 09:40:12 PM
Pimpin for sure, glad to see it stay in the family. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Harrison on April 07, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
Sweet deal! Keepin it in the family!!
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2014, 11:27:02 PM
I don't want to change 2 tires every race. Krawler sidewalls don't give me good vibes.

I'm really interested to see how matts mtrs do. But I really want a sticky. Maybe grooved krts? Stickies with good sidewalls include what? Treps and KRTs are about it aren't they?

38" SX would be a consideration. I intend to ask Lou why he switched - and I almost think it was flats.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2014, 12:19:47 AM
Will be working on this and the tow rig tomorrow after work. Will also be witching that the order of operations is not race prep - race - clean the garage. But it is what it is, tis the order of free time.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on April 08, 2014, 08:20:35 AM
I endorse this purchase!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on April 08, 2014, 08:27:30 AM
in capable hands... just needs a new number now
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2014, 08:37:47 AM
Isn't it like a boat? if the owner didn't reuse the name on the new one and sells it named, it's bad luck to change it! Needs some decoration for the tins though, and a team name. Advantage Motorsports has a certain ring to it... ;)

Speedway Motors had ONE set of 'garage sale' (meaning returns) ratchet belts last night. 2" shoulders not 3". I pulled the trigger, see how I like them. For half the price of genuine Hookers it's worth a shot. Will be here Thursday (nothing like cutting it close)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on April 08, 2014, 08:42:17 AM
you told me my 2" shoulders were not good enough for you
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2014, 08:46:57 AM
they look skimpy. Some people like them, some don't. I think with a lap that stays tight the shoulders won't take as much of a beating.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on April 08, 2014, 08:49:55 AM
i could come up with a color scheme...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 08, 2014, 09:17:24 AM
Thought 2" didnt meet some rules
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
It's fine at Rausch. Didn't dig deep (or at all) for other series yet. 


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2014, 11:04:27 AM
U4 requires 3" shoulder.

Doesn't matter unless I find a way to lose about 350# of weight to make the 1.75" cage legal.

They claim to have clarified the rules but the cage rule is defined based on "dry vehicle weight," while at the same time saying the vehicle must drive on and off the scales.

Can't drive it with no fluids, guys!

so to the letter
4660 with me in it and a full tank of fuel but no spares and tools.
minus just under 300 for fuel and me puts it there. but no spares/ no tools.

If I want to race something U4 sanctioned it's gonna warrent a phone call and probably another fidstvedgrevedg
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2014, 09:16:53 PM
Shuffling swamp thing to the rear lot got this near stuck tonight. Rear limits look way longer than an axle strap will do. Working on some things... See how she goes!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2014, 02:54:01 AM
Rear limits. Lowered an inch. Preload was proper, may have to jack it back up it the limits don't look like they're wearing well. I limited droop an inch or so where I mounted them, have an inch of preload at limit and should be ok on articulation but if they break I'll have springs clangin'

Adjusted rear of driver seat up 1.25" and it's a whole new car to me. Can't wait to drive it again. Wheel is acceptable where it is now. Pedals are better too. Sight is better. Still a thumbs up over my noggin to the cage.

"Lights" switch popped a fuse. Which made no crank and no horn. So I checked the schematic and changed that right out in a jiffy. :facedesk:

Sail panels clear trailer no problem.

Still have many tech violations. Extinguishers are up next. Couldn't steal from my other rigs - found a bad one in the ram so I'm short. Shopping tomorrow.. I think I'll reinforce cheeseball mount with Velcro for now in the same place they were before.  Not sure if I can figure out something better. I pretty much hate all ext mounts.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2014, 08:02:13 AM
you have broken more things on this car than i have in the past year.  stop it.    ;D

running lights are on ignition circuit.  we changed our cars to running lights on fuel pump. 

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2014, 08:21:51 AM
I'll need to check the schematic*– I thought we decided that the front marker lights are what was on that switch. Neither one of them is working right now. One of them had been on Saturday? In the meantime, I need to not touch that switch!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2014, 08:25:02 AM
the front marker lights are the smaller gage non automotive wire.  its a white with yellow tracer.  That wire use to go up towards the front for the round spots also.  could be a loose or bare wire up there.  Both yellows worked this winter when doing  warm up starts.  only pass side  worked saturday. 
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2014, 08:00:18 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/10/ytujuju6.jpg)Modified factory mounts. They're USCG approved with a single band. Doubled up they feel pretty strong to me.

Put a 5#er just inside the trailer door too.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Wash it please
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2014, 11:56:55 PM
Forgot about orbital cover.

Didn't buy auto parts yet, still need a neg terminal and fluids. Still need to get some tool bags and sort tools.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 13, 2014, 02:09:07 PM
Joint pulled out of a rear upper 4 link bar. 4.5 laps were GREAT. 3x 25 minute laps, a 30m lap where I stopped to give a line mountain racer my first aid kit after he took a hilift to the nose and I took forever to get belted back in, and a 2 hour final lap with 400' of winching and 2-3 stops to jurry rig rear 3 link.

Driveshaft needs new axle end yoke
Broke coilover body, may be other damage
Probably replace both rear upper links. I think the front uppers are the same age too?
Need tires. Spares wanted list is growing.




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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Nick on April 13, 2014, 03:52:42 PM
Is this sweet ride making it to big dogs
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 13, 2014, 06:46:58 PM
I bet it's stuck. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/7anysupa.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/enaqyteh.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 14, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Man the landscaper is gonna be pissed!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2014, 11:03:16 AM
Wash it please

The car took about 90 minutes with a hose, that's on top of the loose parts (spare, jack/ coilover/ driveshaft in this case) - and it's still not really clean. I bet a power washer would save 25% of that time. Maybe. Still worth it.

It takes some time and dedication to clean these things up!


Erik, you should see the bad parts of the yard... :puke:
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 14, 2014, 11:59:43 AM
power washing tonight at M4 if the weather holds out
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 14, 2014, 01:52:47 PM
Cora and I power washed my truck and her old t 18 and dana 300 in the driveway yesterday and that made a huge mess.
She was covered in black grease freckles...grass six right now.

I'm not so excited about mud racing.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 14, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
power washing tonight at M4 if the weather holds out
Picking up RV tonight...
Maybe I'll stop by if weather isn't too bad.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 14, 2014, 02:01:29 PM
ya we will be there regardless, power washing unless its thunder / lighting. 

need to restock the m4 fridge!

Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on April 14, 2014, 02:30:23 PM
I need to put my play clothes back in my truck for unexpected nightly outings lol
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2014, 04:22:03 PM
Are all 4 shocks on this beast the same?

Profender 14x2 remote resi with stock valving?

Planning to put 2 spares on the shelf.

I need to take a very close look at the eyes and shaft on the shock I didn't break. The one I broke the body on I also bent the shaft. Eyes look OK at a glance but also need a very close look for and bend or cracks. All 4 eyes definitely bottomed hard on the shock tabs.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 14, 2014, 05:55:19 PM
yes stock, the rears were brand new to you. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2014, 05:56:25 PM
now slightly used...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 14, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
jeff may have some parts left, but most of it was hosed.  Ryan has a large factory order request pending- might be a good idea to let him know soon.  we requested spare parts and shocks for both cars for the season.  i also have 2 NIB 16" 2.5's


note your shock mounts are for SWAYS and every other shock manf known to man and you have to trim down brand new eyes to fit- easy. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 15, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Those aren't drop-in misalignment spacers? Figured I was careful not to drop parts for no reason.

Hopefully ryan gets my text when he's back from china. Sent it while we're were NB from Rausch.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 15, 2014, 09:00:21 AM
they are press in and amazingly hard to get any of the eye hardware out
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 19, 2014, 05:10:31 PM
F'd cum along in my scrap pile that would be good for rear suck improvements. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 21, 2014, 07:56:36 PM
this hawg making it to big dogs or what?  i have everything on the shelf to fix, pick up a CO from Mike on the way down. done.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 21, 2014, 08:13:41 PM
i sent Dean a PM for cash price pickup wednesday night at DND.  My shop is open tomorrow if you need support, im all packed and food shopped and just need to mount 2 trailer tires tomorrow.


because racecar.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 21, 2014, 11:03:01 PM
No injectors no time :-/


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 21, 2014, 11:03:14 PM
Really appreciate it tohugh


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 23, 2014, 03:19:09 AM
Trans shifter, idiot lights, idiot sensors, amber blinker ordered. Need to make new upper rear links and replace a coilover or two.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 23, 2014, 08:26:16 AM
So all tjis racing jazz seems to be crimping your and Smikes Wheeling style.
Always hard on the cars... but im starting to rethink the idea of a do it all vehicle and go back to original plan of keeping the 2 seperate.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 23, 2014, 09:03:22 AM
You can prep a car and then either race a race, or rec wheel for a decade... All I NEED to do is replace a bad link and fix the other damage that caused. The idiot lights are for more betterness and the shifter and rewiring projects are things I've wanted to do to that car for 3 years.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 24, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
ordered replacement and spare coilovers yesterday. have been planning to order tires today but waiting on hearing back on a couple things. Going to be going with 37s, either Nitto Trail Grapplers or Toyo Open Country MTs, from either 4WD Parts or Talmadge.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 24, 2014, 07:26:33 PM
http://www.treaddepot.com/tire/360270.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on April 25, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
Why not boggers  ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
Because steering


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: jaysenodell on April 25, 2014, 09:11:15 AM
Being picky are we?


:)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
Let's just say directional stability is a primary concern at high speed
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2014, 11:08:49 PM
it's really hard to keep the build thread over to FLX when it gets no replies. I'm about ready to give up on that....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on April 28, 2014, 08:06:32 AM
I'm only keeping the major stuff there.  Don't care if there are replies, just documenting.  Any opinion that would matter is here anyway.  Not like it takes a long time...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2014, 08:11:10 AM
I'm trying to drive activity. It's not working. If I wanted to document progress without commentary I can write it down in a notebook.

If I were to make a chicken & egg reference with found I guess I'm demonstrating that laying eggs doesn't make chickens on its own.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on April 28, 2014, 08:22:01 AM
We are activity...  8)

Even a post or two a day keeps it going.  Not thriving, but going.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 28, 2014, 11:50:45 AM
after we chatted about ls intakes, it dawned on me why did you take the rail off the ifam- it only fits one way, and you just need to take the 8mm bolts out and it lifts as an assembly Integreated Air Fuel Module.  should just be wires to plug back in and re rout the fuel lines.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2014, 11:58:00 AM
A little bit of plastic removal on the top of the intake and the fuel rails don't need to flip.  They bolt down either way, only the crossover tube has any issues. I didn't realize that either way at the time, but I do like the fuel lines where they are at the back of the driver head instead of making a 180˚ turn coming off the front of the passenger head.

The damaged o-rings were definitely during an earlier assembly, rails came off the IFAM really easily. I got it fired but with the MAF connected it's running really rich. Behaves like it's missing the O2. I didn't grab my scanner to read codes. Hopefully it knows what it's missing. It's either that or it's something vacuum related like with the valve cover breather hookups getting swapped and fighting PCV. Which reminds me - is that maybe what you did with that whistle and oil pressure loss?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 28, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
id say it needs some learn time but your injectors to banks remained the same correct?

intake gaskets were in ok reusable shape?  (they are designed to be reusable)

that motor has always run fine with 1 side o2 so probably not issue.


no idea what wires to hook a scanner to, those arent present


id start with a can of starting fluid and start spraying for vacuum leaks. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
It learned something, second and subsequent starts were WAY better, but it's still rougher than it should be. Not a miss. Butter smooth when it's dumb (MAF unplugged) so it's not an injector or spark issue.

Are you sure there's not an OBD plug under electrical tape? It felt like the right pins and shape one but I didn't cut for visual. I'd add a check engine light but I bet without a right bank O2 it's probably on all the time anyway. Not sure if it would be angry about anything else?

injectors are in the same holes they started in.

If I had another MAF I'd slap it in. I need a junkyard run to stock up on spares, I should start making a list.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 28, 2014, 12:26:47 PM
look and see if the wires in the MAF are broken or burned, they are easy to see. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
Visual check was good. It definitely saw significant moisture but it was fine on the way out of the trailer before I took it apart and put it back together. It didn't get dropped/ slammed/ poked/ contaminated while off the intake. Would be odd to have spontaneous failure coincident to taking a dozen other things apart and reconfiguring them.

I'll have to grab some ether
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2014, 02:22:33 PM
Going to meet UPS freight at the M4 lot tomorrow. Tires may get locked together in the paddock until my truck runs, shuttling two at a time in the Eagle sounds unfun. Sorry for inviting myself over.

They don't run pups, all 48' - The dock here at work is miserable to get into with one of those and a 48 wouldn't fit well around the park across the street, nor Advancement, and CERTAINLY not on my street. bah.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 28, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
sure, kitchen hauler is empty too if you need space out of rain.

ill be in Buffalo tomorrow night
Title: Re: 571
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2014, 02:33:11 PM
Where in buffalo? I was planning to pick up 4 wheels and tires in orchard park tomorrow night. 31s.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 28, 2014, 02:36:18 PM
thats 50 min south of where ill be sorry.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
its all good. thanks
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 29, 2014, 10:20:02 PM
5' of vacuum line and this thing runs right as rain! Parts coming in nicely. Plenty to do and I feel like I'm in a pretty good spot. Hoping to get to M4 late this week for shaft and link and shock n2 charges.

Was going to pull the bum link tonight but it needs to come out of the trailer for jacking and unbinding. I'm sure it'll be a treat to install the link on the ground.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 29, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Short list:

Open up firewall hole a lil more and install center panel, air cleaner.
Shock
Shaft
Link
Trim hood
Mount shifter
Fix tcase shifters
Finish harnesses

Middle list:
Fan controller
NSS
Reverse lights
Fix marker light
New rear amber
Main power fuses
Idiot lights
New switches
Loctite diff bolts, fix bottom bolt


Long list:
New hood
new dash panel w mud shield
Remove tcase interlocks
Trans leak at shifter
Rewire w breakers, labels, goodness
Superwinch Talon 9.5
rear swaybar. toyota torsion bar?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 01, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
Hittin this thing hard tonight. Hopefully Wx cooperates and I'm not stuck in the trailer.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 01, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
how is the tow rig doing?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on May 01, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
waiting on me i think
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 01, 2014, 03:08:20 PM
well get going yo!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 01, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Vendors suck!

The car may be done for a Sunday run but both it and the tow rig together seem highly unlikely if I even have parts tomorrow. Spencer's rig is available to hog my trailer to the race though, at least there's that!

GBR's weak abused clutch should be off the hook :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 01, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
Less progress than I'd hoped for tonight – 97% out for Sunday. New coilover installed,  jam nut with good threads solidly welded to link with completely stripped threads.

Dash trimmed but didn't get to column and shifters as hoped. Nowhere near to tires.

Found a plug on an old Cummins harness for the 3 wire temp sensor so I didn't need to buy that. Oh well. eBay it back I guess


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 02, 2014, 08:19:54 AM
weak!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2014, 08:43:43 AM
No tow rig anyway :-/


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 02, 2014, 08:53:57 AM
excuses must be your new second part time job!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2014, 08:59:28 AM
Side work has pretty well dried up now that you mention it.


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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 04, 2014, 01:21:32 AM
Can't thank smike enough for help.

Link fixed
Bad bushings in front uppers replaced (owe Matt (2) roughstuff BUSH)
Driveshaft fixed (owe Matt (1) 1350)
Coil straightened
PCM mounted
Orbital moved
Hood trimmed and installed
Shifter mounted
Intake flip fully finished
Bad injector lower o-rings replaced
5 tired dis/mounted

Needs
zip tie check
Passenger harness
Tools and tire strapped down
Full fluids check
Secure tcase shifter pivot
Tin installed


Prefer
Rear brake pads (lookup or pn?)
Paint squirted
Replace switches
Fan controller
Fix lower bolt in front diff
Loctite front diff bolts
Tcase shifter pivots

That's all I can think of for the short list



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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2014, 10:48:07 AM
Hitting this thing Weds night. Planning on dash coverage around orbital, new switches, front diff locktite and drill/tap bottom hole one size up, couple idiot lights, probably not a fan controller (later...)

Thursday harnesses, paint, tin install.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2014, 10:49:01 AM
sweet highway cleanup wednesday!
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2014, 10:53:09 AM
That's been poorly advertised!

I ain't got time to clean a highway, I've got a race! (Drove our stretch last night, it looked like SHIT)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
Shipping notification on belts. Sweet!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 08, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
Rear brake pads (lookup or pn?)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 08, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/14BSRW.html

These are for a 14 Bolt Single Rear Wheel (SRW) housing (73-87) and use '73-'87 3/4 ton, 4x4, Chevy Calipers & Rotors
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 08, 2014, 02:00:57 PM
Gracias!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 08, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
Fuck me! Same goddamn belts I bought from Speedway just arrived. Not reversed. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/09/a9ajynaj.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/09/bu9eve8y.jpg)

1/4" Driver will be to the front on a right side ratchet application.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 08, 2014, 05:15:07 PM
They'll be making it right. I'll be making it work. And they're okay with making it right free I make It work.

Other news:(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/09/4umyqyre.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on May 08, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Looks almost normal...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 09, 2014, 12:12:42 AM
Ignition and fan switches were both getting flakey. Swapped.

Passenger pads done. Driver caliper seized :(

NSS and rev lights done. New amber done. Front marker lights on ignition. I'm a Christmas tree!

Needs some ties clipped, overflow balloons replaced, fluids checked, fluid and tool storage populated, hi lift mounted.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on May 09, 2014, 08:13:09 AM
good luck!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 09, 2014, 08:26:31 AM
Caliper in stock. Running and packing inside stuff. Then caliper.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 09, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
Only two hours off target… Finally rolling!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 10, 2014, 12:17:42 AM
Suck down broke in transit. Ratchet straps to get out of trailer and repaired. Fluids storage refilled and packed.

6th wheel procured, not mounted.

All seemed very well running across the street to get the wheel. I missed prerunning by ~90m. Smike and matt said there are some surprise puddles and some new trails. Hope it's a good race!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 10, 2014, 07:15:25 AM
Good luck! Give em hell
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 10, 2014, 02:39:38 PM
- oil cooler?
- oil temp gauge?
- idiot lights with good gauges and gauge shield
- relocate radiator?
- bigger trans cooler?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2014, 07:55:21 PM
Power washer makes for a much more thorough cleanup but I don't think it's any faster. Maybe less work and more fun though.

300 out the door for a 6.5hp gasser from HF. On sale, minus 20%. It is every bit as powerful as any coin op self wash I've been to, very pleased with it.


Still not running perfect. I swear I hear another vacuum leak but I can't find it. Starting fluid can't find it. If it is a leak it has to be a gasket or I ring.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2014, 09:13:14 AM
get the pump saver stuff if you want it to last more than a year
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 27, 2014, 10:57:51 AM
I'm very used to that stuff with paint sprayers with a draw straw and priming output, what's the proper method to get that shit where it needs to be inside a power washer?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 27, 2014, 11:00:54 AM
ah, appears there's a special type for power washers with a fitting for garden hose inlet. 10-4 & thanks google
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
ya, it goes right on the inlet.  i shoot it in, then slow crank the pull cord, then shoot it in again.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 27, 2014, 01:11:19 PM
My pressure washer guy says windshield washer fluid is fine. The cheaper the better.
I just reuse the special bottle of pump guard I got from depot with the shut off and garden hose fitting.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on May 27, 2014, 10:16:45 PM
home depots power washers are around $300 with a honda engine, ive had it 6-7 years now and have never touched a thing and only maintenance is run it out of gas before winter
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on May 28, 2014, 07:22:08 AM
Finally cracked a plastic fitting in my pump this past winter.  $10 and it's good-to-go again.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 28, 2014, 02:25:36 PM
Jim said he will look and fix trans very quickly once he gets it.  Says probably seal failure from heat.  Clutches should not be worn at all yet.

advises sustained temp 220 continuous, 260-80 max intermittent.



we talked about different manual valve body options, i think you need to talk to him to straighten that out.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 28, 2014, 03:20:37 PM
seems good, thanks.

Not sure what my schedule on getting it pulled out yet is. blah blah unneeded details. Beem making good progress around the house, almost ready to make use of the garage again (in the ready to clean it up fashion).
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 29, 2014, 09:56:10 PM
Cannot find vac leak.
May just replace intake manifold gaskets and dbl check injector orings. Not sure what else to try. Verified it's not one of the actual vacuum lines.

Trans temp gauge problem is the sender. The spare I have doesn't have compatible ohm ranges so I need to swap both pieces to make it work. After verifying gauge function and then checking the sender (it spins where it shouldn't), I misplaced the vdo sender. Mother. Fucker.

So, all told, I drove it out of the trailer and back in again. Productive night.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2014, 10:53:59 PM
i have a new gage some where, from replacing the sender once before.  Gaurentee it was carless install that broke the sender.  in a stupid place. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on May 30, 2014, 07:36:31 AM
So, all told, I drove it out of the trailer and back in again. Productive night.

I keep hoping this will fix mine ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 30, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
pull this trans out already- this isnt the dakota!

Pull it saturday night / sunday, i can help if you want.  Jim will have it back fixed wednesday, race saturday.  quitchyour bitchin baller buggy boy
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 30, 2014, 01:30:46 PM
Lack of workspace keeps me bitching. I'm running on Sunday. Need anything to/from downstate, anyone?

I'm more worried about the un findable vacuum leak than a known trans thing at this point. Think manifold gaskets are a reasonable next step?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 30, 2014, 02:04:34 PM
i dont know the procedure used- contamination, improper torque, or oring damage from installation would be my first guess before gasket failure.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 30, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
I didn't torque super carefully. They were cleaned but not lubed. Surfaces were cleaned. It was all FILTHY to begin with including some rather crusty deposits on the head side.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 30, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
the torque really isnt so important- i found that following the sequence is more important in the thousands i bolted down and did back fire / burst tests on....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 29, 2014, 11:50:15 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/30/e9u9u3e3.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/30/3aqy9yde.jpg)
Dropped at Jim's for fixing.

It's hot out.


Few other things to do. Going to get a couple new gauges on it. Some fresh intake mani gaskets to hopefully cure the apparent vac leak. Not sure if fan control will make the cut for this weekend but I'm only making that change if it does. I'm not going to shake that down at a race.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2014, 08:14:52 AM
Should be looking at a parts camper this afternoon. I'd rather find a 8-9' popup to put on the truck deck/ goose neck/ goose deck depending on needs but if I can get the one I'm looking at for cheap enough, its parts will go in the nose of the enclosed and I'll be a (wait for it) happy camper.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 30, 2014, 09:13:40 AM
waiting for pics of a 28' parked in your driveway!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 30, 2014, 10:56:30 AM
Jim said your trans is melted so bad he needs another core, he cant get it apart.

Ill run home at lunch and grab one to give to him. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2014, 10:58:46 AM
jebus! thanks

I guess I'll start trolling for core trannies in my spare time too.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 30, 2014, 11:01:15 AM
i think i have 2 that are no use to me.  the one im going to give him is the summit one he built that last almost 2 years we ran dry. 

order a Fing trans gage and another cooler lol
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
Can you ask Jim if there's a better place to put the temp sensor than in the pan? I'd rather have his opinion than random internet trolls on how slow the pan temps sometimes react. potentially putting the sensor in a test port?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on June 30, 2014, 11:50:29 AM
If Mikemike where a game of thrones character, he would be known as the trannyslayer
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2014, 12:20:28 PM
pan, gauges, cooler ordered.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
'tis possible
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 30, 2014, 12:51:43 PM
2nd core in my ZJ!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Trans will be at delphi tomorrow morning less filter.  We are still planing on finishing my car and matts car tonight.  Wednesday night good for trans install.

do you have the extra TF999 filter or is it still on my shelf?  95% sure i gave you it when you took the car.

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2014, 05:23:51 PM
I have it. can you scope the starter mounting bolts on my motor, even or offset?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2014, 05:27:16 PM
i should know that, but unlike TBI motors LS starter motors NEVER come off haha


ill look.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 09:20:45 AM
Jim noticed a few things

something with the filter extention (i dont under stand his explanation)

but more importantly- that valve body was not calibrated for no kick down.  kick down calls for more pressure in high gear.

i havent talked to him yet today, but as of last night he was going to swap valve bodies from the summit core we raced on for 2 years that: Calibrated for manual downshifts, no provisions for kickdown or TV cable. and have it ready for today.


Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
So it was running lower line pressure than it could/should have been. More slip, more heat, badness.

sounds promising, and like an explaination of the fast failure.

Hopefully gauges and pan arrive today, I should check shipping. Going to be a busy day at work and have some other running to do too..
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 09:42:55 AM
updated.  700R4 is the trans that uses kick down for line pressure, not th350- scratch that

Jim:
I did change the valve body over from the core transmission. It worked so well before I figured it would be worth a shot. Your old 350 had a roller clutch fail. Nothing more than just being well used.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 12:45:06 PM
failure determined from running dry / heat

not much usful things left.


used most of the second core trans to build into first housing.  Built with summit valve body

input gear from trans pulled from car is BEAT up where TQ  mates- he said closely inspect TQ and or replace  :o
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 12:45:45 PM
trans is in the delphi lot
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 01:54:39 PM
No TC kept in stock at nuway :(

Not sure what other options might be


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 02:20:19 PM
I think i have 1 or two under my apartment. 

Trans in zj.  Jim comp'd all labor, and put 80$ in parts- i gave him a 100$

said to flush TQ and run the trans this weekend, then change fluid after this weekend.  If it doesn't last the rest of the year with added cooling and ok temp numbers- time either dump $$ into a custom350 full manual high pressure trans, or make room for a th400.  He really wants to help us find a solution with out multiple trans pulls- he understands intensive labor.

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
Milt and Ron's may have a converter in stock, I was just considering going down to the shop to pull the old one.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 02:36:10 PM
its old school TH350 converter

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/pro-king-automatic-transmission-remanufactured-torque-converter-gm350/5990238-P?searchTerm=pro-king+gm350#fragment-2 


this link has good info  if you dig to page 26 (these are what advance stocks)

http://www.kingomatic.com/documents/PK%20Torque%20Converter%20Catalog%20May%202011.pdf
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 02:37:17 PM
1969-1979 Chevy C10, C1500
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 02:43:26 PM
Blazer   1969-1982          TH350
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 02:48:56 PM
1969-1979 Chevy C10, C1500

12.5", 3 lug mount

Blazer   1969-1982          TH350

12.5", 3 lug mount


its old school TH350 converter

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/pro-king-automatic-transmission-remanufactured-torque-converter-gm350/5990238-P?searchTerm=pro-king+gm350#fragment-2 
12.5", 3 pad mount
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
does that just mean you use bolts or bolts and nuts?  i dont recall what it has. 

TH400 TQ looks to cross, not sure about 13" though will fit. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 02:53:51 PM
Looking at the book at Milt & Ron's, the pad/lug mount difference is the main thing, with a few having a 1/4" dia difference and an uncommon 6 pad mounting type
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 02:55:16 PM
his pics were poor, but both looked to be female. He wasn't certain.

any idea the quality of what's under the shop?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 02:57:15 PM
i honestly dont recal what is what.  i believe the TH400 converter that was left open in the shop was scrapped.  if there is one under my apartment, it was left full and tapped shut.  there may be another th400 one in the transmission that is there also that is ok. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
They're only there till 1630, and I really don't want to rush this and fuck it up. I don't want another shit out tranny in a month either :-\

And more work just came down the pipe for me so I can't really sneak back out. May have to delay install to tomorrow unless the existing TC looks better than I fear, and I really don't want to do that.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:05:04 PM
Jim said TH350 and 400 are same
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
this is instock at advance for 100$

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/pro-king-automatic-transmission-remanufactured-torque-converter-gm3/5990130-P?navigationPath=L1*14925%7CL2*15047%7CL3*16291# 

asked jim to confirm thoughts of working

Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:12:05 PM
wont be able to confirm it fits- have to check
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 03:15:47 PM
yeah it's the flywheel that matters more there. Seems all have the same spline and pilot dia, it's all the mounting that changes. Not sure about a 13" fitting in the bellhousing, but the 11.5" bolt circle seems common to the TH400/4L80E, the 10.7" bolt circle to the TH350/700R4/4L60E
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:22:37 PM
90% sure this is whats in the car now

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g2699
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
90% sure this is what was first built in the car and what is most likely on the floor under my apartment after the first trans blew

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bmm-20400/overview/ 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 03:24:44 PM
that's a match to p/n GM350 which was looking more likely. And isn't in stock at Advance
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:35:22 PM
im going to guess that i re drilled for the 10.7 pattern, and the 11.5 pattern already exists on the flexplate-  there are 6 holes clocked 60 degrees....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 02, 2014, 03:48:55 PM
Buy them all and take back what does not fit.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
that was my thought ryan but its not my car anymore :)



id also like a new one in, as this hassel is not really worth 12hrs labor
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
I didn't look for the other holes when I pulled it but if they're not there, this should fit:(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/03/u9y6aha4.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 04:33:22 PM
pretty blue!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 04:46:49 PM
But if those other holes are there, (and/)or if I fucked this up, the T400 p/n GM3 in stock at Henrietta Advance seems like a very solid backup plan - importantly, a plan that's open later than 4:30. So I feel pretty good about this now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 04:48:12 PM
Buy them all and take back what does not fit.

torque converters are like generators. No returns.

unlike generators though, they're not free. I need to visit Gander sometime and let them know they kinda fucked up bigtime at checkout... :whistle:
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 04:49:41 PM
what did you buy at gander mr money!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 04:51:23 PM
Well, I bought a new water jug, some rem oil, a candy bar and a Honda parallel kit...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
o, boo

haha gotcha.  anything good on the shelf Honda wise? 

id love to see if a 2K runs a 5kbtu window unit
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
Any idea what its draw is supposed to be? Can test tonight if you want.

I'm going to test running my trailer on one, and can gang Erik's spare up if need be.

A 15a circuit at home held barely up the trailer AC unit, as long as the trailer was the only thing on that breaker, and I may have had the fridge off and killed most 12v loads...

They have 2k, 2k companion, 3k, and maybe others in stock. At least they did around lunch time. I started with just a 2k companion.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2014, 03:26:04 AM
TC connected, shifter hooked up, engine oil drained.

Need to connect a bunch of wires , plumb a bunch of shit, wire a few more things, put exhaust on and fill a bunch of fluids.

Then get ready to go. Uugh. Shit's more work than racing!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 03, 2014, 09:24:28 AM
that sounds like a lot of work left for 3:30

did you drag it into the trailer?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
That was after a wegs stop and shower too. Mostly packed. Headed bak to shop shortly. Kim stopped by with the dog and slowed me down a bit.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 03, 2014, 10:34:21 AM
dam woman dam dogs
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2014, 11:00:22 AM
I guess it must be worth it.

I'll be cursing my sweet RV more than anything with the camping situation at AAOA. Using one trailer for buggy and popup will suck a fat one.

Depending how the next few hour go I may head down first thing tmw morning. I don't want to add stress to a "vacation" like I always seem to do with last minute big projects. Damn procrastination.

/whining


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 03, 2014, 11:40:54 AM
hook everything back up, hook up the trans gage

go




pretend we didnt forget to half fill the new TQ
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on July 03, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
I'd come help ya but I'm dressed to impress today

PS throw junk clothes back in truck
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
Gauges turned out really well and look great. Trans shifts fantastic. Motor runs like hammered ass


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 03, 2014, 10:02:19 PM
What does hammered ass run like
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2014, 10:04:25 PM
Like it has a gross vacuum leak and is on 6-7 of 8....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Nick on July 03, 2014, 11:27:39 PM
This is one sweet ride!  :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on July 04, 2014, 02:07:46 PM
Hammered ass.  I laughed so hard I cried a little
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 04, 2014, 03:56:27 PM
I'm just plain crying. Intake mani gaskets made no difference. I'm pulling plugs.

Could be a hung lifter? I don't have a compression tester. Really behaving like a bad hole - and there did happen to be a nearly frightening amount of metallic fines on the oil drain plug.

I sure hope I get to pull the motor again to fix an internal issue or replace it, yessiree!!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 04, 2014, 04:04:53 PM
I think I'm in love!!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/05/vu8utanu.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 04, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
i know nothing about trans. but

http://rochester.craigslist.org/pts/4553343779.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 04, 2014, 10:28:59 PM
No idea how that is for a price on a supposedly good unit or how sellable a used converter that's useless to me is.  input from the wise?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 05, 2014, 09:25:15 AM
Southbound! M4 lot camp-out 100% success. Honda untested. Suspicion of annoyingly long set and strike confirmed. Definitely not more than a tempermanant configuration.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2014, 04:29:22 PM
Broke reverse. Sounds like gnashing gears or stripped splines. AWESOME.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 06, 2014, 07:51:17 PM
gave this some thought on the way home.


id cut the car for in cab trans removal.

F this thing. 

Id order a summit trans, and give the current to jim to look at with more time. 

this is crazy.   matt has beaten his 400 with heat, i wish there was room in that car, bah
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2014, 07:53:35 PM
Reverse completely silent and ineffective when I got home. Got popup unloaded and coaxed the car into the enclosed.

Thinking about modifications to make stripping the interior quicker & easier, and allowing the trans out through the passenger compartment while also allowing for fit of th400/ 700r4/ 4l60/ 4l80. I think the very biggest hurdle to all of that is tcase proximity to the tail shaft. I don't know that there's enough slip to slide the joint in to clear. All other trans options are longer, too, I believe. So the case may need to move back 4-6" and gain a short driveshaft rather than one-ujoint drive.

Not that the motor doesn't have a lil tick and had iron in the oil, but I really hope at least the next motor can outlast several transmissions. A motor without the trans attached would probably be an easier removal too. Straight up, maybe even with headers and motor mounts still attached.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on July 06, 2014, 08:00:38 PM
TH350 and 4L60E are very close in length measurement.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 06, 2014, 08:06:08 PM
i have a long tail 4l60e

lower first and over drive is a key advantage i love in my car


4.10's are great for racing but not much else  :-[
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 07:43:51 AM
O/d would let lower axle gears be happier in low, and lower first and lower gears would make high useful. It would be a good improvement from that perspective.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 07:59:24 AM
I forgot to mention-the recon is dead. Solenoids make a sickly electrical noise, sometimes. That's it.

Needs a talon 9.5 replacement, and to go in the enclosed if I can fix it.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2014, 09:54:23 AM
No idea how that is for a price on a supposedly good unit or how sellable a used converter that's useless to me is.  input from the wise?


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i wouldnt pay more than $200 for any " good" unit- they are all unknown cores.

TQ are usless for resale

if it was an easy install, would be worth the chance, but well...

bad luck.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
if it was an easy install, would be worth the chance, but well...

Yeah, that's gotta change.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 07, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
I can help with talon, not TQ
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
smike, visiting your mom this week?

http://buffalo.craigslist.org/pts/4554013783.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2014, 02:40:17 PM
possibly this weekend

i tried 2 used 100$ transmissions once.

they lasted once to pull out of the trailer and drive around in 1 slipping gear, the other lasted almost all of a race.




even if you have to lossen 4 case bolts to give you and 1" or two more play room, i think with most of the wires moved from center consol, and changes for case levers needed anyway, changing up the chassis a little for in cab trans pull is the way id go at this point. 


Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
I have some very solid thoughts, hopefully my memory is close on what things look like under the floor and making things bolt in/out is as easy as I'm thinking. It's been a long time since I've been in there.

I'd probably have Jim look over a used tranny before I put it in service. Unless it really can become a <2hr job to swap.

Console, dash, shifters, tcase interlocks all need some adjustment.

I'm thinking I'll double shear the seat mounts and then make them pin mount so they come out in 5 min each incl belts once tins are off. Make the center console bolt in, 2 through the lower dash bar from the back side and one or two in back on tabs. Cable shifter has to come off one end or the other for trans removal anyway. Move remaining wiring to one side or the other instead of down the middle. Make tcase shifters fit through the floor panel for easy removal? another 2 minutes for the front seat cross bar. dzues fasteners for side tins and maybe the floor panels too?

Would make it MUCH easier to do future rear firewall changes for rad size/ mount/ airflow, too. 190˚ all weekend, unless that 'stat has a BIG bleed hole, it still has a 160 in it. Rad is tip-top full. I know it's gonna get hot again. So I want to measure for those full race options, and think about oil cooling too. The planned air velocities for those nascar rads could be an issue but I think it's worth closer investigation. I'm tired of fighting heat.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
or, since I think the whole center tunnel floor support needs to change/ become removable - maybe leave the floor tins attached in large part and take it out as an assebled unit, depending on size & weight & where attachment points land.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 07, 2014, 03:23:37 PM
its a bunch of work i have thought about it.  a bunch of 1" square tubing will have to be removed and reworked that holds up the front fire wall and floor tins.

the case support tubing may also have to be moved.

not sure the pass seat needs to be pulled, possibly Tcase shifters and that could stay if reworked. 



i have thought about doing this more than once, have always just pulled the motor the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion the case may need to move a bit. Would be nice if not, but we'll see... If it just needs to be unbolted and twist out of the way a bit, having the whole floor open would still be a huge help.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on July 07, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
i have a long tail 4l60e

lower first and over drive is a key advantage i love in my car


4.10's are great for racing but not much else  :-[

I run the 4L60E and 4.10    feels perfect for me      maybe its the 2.72 in the 241
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2014, 09:38:38 PM
2.0 to 2.72 is a similar difference to the 2.5 to 3.0 first gear difference. You have both of those advantages!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on July 07, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
i have no idea if this is useful to you
http://rochester.craigslist.org/pts/4553343779.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2014, 09:38:30 AM
the other comment made is all TH350's are not a like- the newer cores are light duty and have clutches taken out of them.  the end solution is getting the proper core, and machining stuff to add even more clutch packs-  still black box to me
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 08, 2014, 09:39:59 AM
Why not buy a high end built trans?

Or th400, or burn the whole car and collect insurance? :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2014, 09:46:59 AM
the summit trans i bought  had burned up clutches after2 races and had a loose valve body bolt when we changed to a deep pan.  Jim went through it and it last 1.5 years more. 

Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 08, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
Summit is not high end.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 08, 2014, 10:10:27 AM
if you get me an application I can see of GM has anything available.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 08, 2014, 10:19:03 AM

the other comment made is all TH350's are not a like- the newer cores are light duty

Is the same true of the 700r4/ 4L60?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2014, 11:50:04 AM
yes and no-

again- need to talk to Jim- he knows all.


i believe the big thing with the 700r4's is you want a case that has "K" molded into the bell as i recall.  different versions of 4L's use 4 and 5 star planitaries.

Matts TH400 actually has 4l80 parts swapped in with the extra 5th planatary or something-

there are all kinds of tricks and parts to tweak and swap- i think this was just a bad luck case of something stupid failed that was over looked and not caught from bad core parts in the rush of the time needed. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 08, 2014, 11:58:47 AM
Probably. Have a cheap 700r4 to try as well now. If I make it easy to swap I'll try that as is while this one gets repaired, then go through the 700 and probably use the 350 as the spare. I expect to like the 4 speed a lot better.

Torque convertor thoughts too... Probably keep current for spare, and get a 2200-2400 stall for primary use?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 08, 2014, 01:11:14 PM
If you plan on racing and placing well you will need better than a cheap 700r4  http://www.ckperformance.com/resources/700R4TRANSMISSIONS.html

You are fast when the car stays together, you can place well in races if you can keep things from blowing up. The th350 has been proven to be no good in there, the 700r4 is not a stronger trans in stock forms.

How much does it cost to go race, and break lap 1? The math says buy good parts   

My saying for racing is  "it costs too much" hahahahah
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on July 08, 2014, 09:43:15 PM
I have a built TH400 that I built for my Sonoma SFA project that I likely will abandon. It still have 0 miles other than dyno tested at my college when I was in my community college majored in automotive service, built ~3 years ago. Not guaranteed but was dynoed good. My instructor, who owns and run an auto trans shop (builds lot of tranny for high HP vehicles, mostly drag cars) and teach at nighttime at the college. He said the tranny I built will holds 800 hp max (IDK how true to this but plenty nonetheless).

IMO TH400 or 4L80 is way to go if you want it to last, especially for the money.

let me know if you're interested in this and I'll sell it to you at a good price.

Anyhow, if you need some help to get it fixed like get the tranny pulled, or so, I'll like to help as I currently have nothing but time.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2014, 10:03:33 PM
you now have the best trans cooling of any of the cars i have built, i think a built 350 will be the way to stay, its unfortunate this bad luck. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 08, 2014, 11:50:44 PM
I think the much better 1-2 gearing and an OD is worth the 700r4/4L60. This was clearly bad luck but with doing floor changes and such anyway I'm not planning to limit myself.

Good round of cleaning tonight. Only Jetta parts under the Jetta hood for the first time in 7 months. I'd like to drive that out of the garage this week and see how well the car fits. No tape measure yet pulled, I'm not sure the spare tire carrier will let it fit. May have to put that back up on top.  Then I'll REALLY be needing a swaybar.

Hope to have a 700r4 bolted in and cockpit refitted by the end of the weekend, get the 350 back to Jim as soon as I'm done with the floor.

Not sure which I'll race on. Unknown quality used tranny, or 8 hours use failure tranny :)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 09, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
biggest hack will be front firewall changes.  the center dash and floor tins are easy. 

its only metal.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 09, 2014, 02:25:09 PM
They make more every day. I don't have much in stock though. I'll probably be making a run Monday. Not sure I'll know what I need by Friday, doubt it.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
are splines common between 700R4?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 02:14:29 PM
Same output slip yoke yes


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 02:17:29 PM
put that u joint on the list- it is ORIGINAL  and still doing work!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 02:29:00 PM
Hah :)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 02:30:50 PM
was a neapco unit from fleetpride! 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 04:20:00 PM
planing to have a 700R4 in for testing sunday?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 04:22:33 PM
Probably not quite ready for testing by Sunday, I expect floor work to take longer than that. I have plans you'd make fun of me for taking my Saturday afternoon, and I'm not sure how short on materials I will be for floors, seat mount changes, etc.

Hoping it's run-around-the-yard testable, at least.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 04:23:01 PM
if something is going down, I could probably stay up late Saturday and have something to go.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 04:42:58 PM
 i give up on you.  this car is protesting its new owners commitment. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 04:45:07 PM
we can't all be happy being alone.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
bitter sweet sometimes
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 04:55:54 PM
indeed.

I think I'm doing okay at both commitments.

You stopping out to Erik's tonight? I'm going to make a brief appearance before or after getting the car in the garage and picking up the trans, since I'll be heading roughly that way.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 04:57:47 PM
i procrastonating my plans- i might load up the car and head south, maybe hit rausch, aoaa, bloomsberg i dont know.  feel like a need another vacation already.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
big 10-4 on that.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2014, 05:03:02 PM
looks like matt rolled around 2pm to the fair.  there was preregistration and such, not great info on the site- meh. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on July 11, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
are splines common between 700R4?
you mean common to other 700r4, or another trans.its the same as a 350 different then a 400 iirc
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 08:45:55 PM
Brakes on the Jetta came apart on test drive to turnaround. Pretty sure shoe hold downs snapped or similar. Lost ebrake and didn't lose fluid, sounded crunchy.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on July 11, 2014, 09:19:49 PM
is this a bad time to ask if i can borrow your engine lift
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2014, 09:25:28 PM
Might be, yeah.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 11, 2014, 11:05:55 PM
Driveway repair needed
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 12, 2014, 12:53:05 AM
Goes along with driveway expansion and garage expansion…

I bought a buggy instead.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 12, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
Broken asphalt is still better than stones.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 12, 2014, 01:54:54 PM
Or pavers...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 13, 2014, 07:01:38 PM
Jailbreak:
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/3apy3upa.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/gymyjynu.jpg)

Was a complete PITD getting those supports cut. Need a 6" cutoff wheel that I can put into the space for a 3"...

Will need to move the tcase back for 700r4. And maneuver it even to get the 350 out. This is all the way in.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/y8eze8ad.jpg)

Found that the front shaft carrier bearing is loose on the shaft and loose as a bearing, both. Kissed the rear brake hard line with a cutoff wheel when the grinder kicked.



Not happy about moving the tcase and having to change shafts. Rear shaft has almost no slip left. Front shaft has no slip above the carrier bearing. Need to put the trannies next to each other on the floor but I expect to be looking at 4"

Sub strap mounts, inner belt mounts, center console mounting... Boo.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 13, 2014, 07:34:42 PM
Fluid smelled crappy, lots of fine metal on the plug. Wtf.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 13, 2014, 07:49:32 PM
Can 2"lift come off that slip? Remember it doesnt have to slip...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 13, 2014, 09:28:18 PM
TCase doesn't want to move back (or at all) with all 4 bolts out. Trans still in car. About to get angry at it... Breaking for a breather and beverage. I'm not going to bed without two trannies next to each other and A Plan.


A match is a plan, Mark :)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 13, 2014, 09:42:23 PM
probably gona need a porta ram to push the skid back down
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on July 13, 2014, 10:59:47 PM
Lol, wouldn't dream of it...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 01:01:02 AM
Yup, pushed the skid down and she moved.

About 3.3" longer. need to move trans mount, mount pillow block off the side instead of flat while lengthening front shaft. Need to move case back, I was gonna cheat that tempermanently but it doesn't fit under the tube it's mounted from.

That technical drawing said how far back the mount is. Around an inch. The pan is also an inch longer so I need to move the mount for clearance, not just drill holes further back.  It is also a rectangle, which eats driveshaft and bearing and bearing mount clearance.

It will be easy to go back to a TH350 should I need to - the carrier of a 1350 CV is almost exactly the right length for a mini shaft between trans and case after things are pushed back.

It's gonna be super tight to make this race. I HATE that. Tempted to call it off now just so I don't kill myself this week. I figure at best I have two full days of work and that's assuming I don't need to redo the floor and can just remount what I took out. Oh, wait. Moving the case. Whose mounts stick the rough the floor. Fuck.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 01:03:44 AM
Oh - all so I can blow up a stock 100k tranny that's been on a shelf for a decade - since rushing a rebuild has proven to be a BAD idea.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 14, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
measure twice cut once not your style?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 14, 2014, 09:09:16 AM
TV cables on a 700r4 are a pitd. Does your motor have a spot for it?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 09:44:04 AM
@re - I need better cutting tools...

@rywan - probably not. things arriving tmw for that, hopefully it has what I need and/or I can rob from the TV cable on the Dakota or carb linkages on the spare eagles.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 14, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
that trans is too much longer

wait and have another 350 built, or click buy it now from summit and have one tomorrow.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 14, 2014, 09:53:10 AM
changing too many things that have been proven to finish races!


that mid shaft (and front shaft) cluster has been a week point for a while. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 10:05:43 AM
more of a weak point than I knew - the sketchy splines at the slip are probably not the weak point in that system :)
I'm shocked that bearing isn't making noise. Well, audible noise. It's bad, and that whole shaft really needs to be redone....

Was that carrier bearing an off-the-shelf unit from anywhere?

TH350 hasn't been finishing many races for me.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on July 14, 2014, 10:07:38 AM
I've been rolling with just the carrier bearing holder for years now, its all you need!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 14, 2014, 10:30:45 AM
driving with out a trans gage i discount any value to. 

mechanical breakage of reverse i discount as a wear out or durability issue.  bad luck, rushed.

empty and running the trans dry because of poor mounting and torn up output seals leaking pan i discount (my 1.5 year failure)


i dont see any good reason why a good working built TH350 should have to come out of the car more than once a year for continued racing / wreck use. 




congrats for getting the trans out of the cab though- that is a good step to the 2 hour swap goal. 

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 10:46:44 AM
It took me damn near as long as pulling it all, but I don't think I could do that alone.

Putting it back together the first time is going to take just as long, too :(
Wishing for some machine tools to make big square nuts the right outside dims to slip into the cut off tubes and weld in place, then bolt through the floor with 5/16 bolts. Hold the structure and tin together in mostly one step with about 10 bolts.

didn't check the dims I need, probably just under an inch. Not sure where I could find un-hardened square stock to drill and tap.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 14, 2014, 10:53:52 AM
none of that square was structural

you working on it tonight? id like to stop over after i pull a broken 14 shaft- you need anything?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
tractor supply hardware run is all that's likely to take me away, I'm short on nuts for most sizes. Need to take stock and figure out what I'm going to use.

If it's staying a TH350 there really isn't much to do. If it's changing, need to migrate mounts back and shorten rear shaft; rebuild front & mounts.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 14, 2014, 04:29:39 PM
whats the power glide erik has sitting on the shelf that needs an adaptor to fit to an ecotec?  wonder if it fits ls?

run a bolt in mid shaft and be done\\no idea on gears
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 04:30:53 PM
probably bolts up, gears would probably suck with 4.10s. I think a powerglide first is like 2.2
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
nope, 1.76 or 1.82.

maybe with a 3:1 tcase and 5.38s?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
and 16 or 27 spline output, not 30.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 05:33:43 PM
interesting point: 700s cost about twice as much as 350s on Summit. Each costs 3-4x its model designation.  hah. The most expensive 350 'kit' is where the 700s start.

upsides:
- way better gearing. Could race in high with 5.38s, . Would run out of balls way sooner than RPMs in low with 4.10s. top end in low with 5.38s is WAY faster than now. Equivalent to 3.73s. Low gearing with my 4.10s would be a shade better than going to 4.88s.
- seems to have an impression of being stronger, even though they seem deeply related and I have a feeling that's not really true apples-to-apples. Maybe stock-to-stock?
- need to rebuild most of the front driveshaft anyway
- can make an intermediate shaft from a CV carrier to run a TH350 after things move. super easy.
- after relocating the case, I won't need to move it to R&R the trans. I'll give myself the extra 3/4" of clearance I need.

Downsides:
- TV cable is 100% necessary, more fab
- need to move case, shorten rear, and lengthen intermediate shafts all by ~4"
- need to move trans mount, carrier bearing mount.
- redo floor tin, seat mounts, belt mounts
- catalog buy is twice as expensive
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 11:33:49 PM
Tom and Smike helped me decide that ease of replacement is enough progress for this go-round. Going to replace with new for the race. Get floor ready to reassemble tomorrow, flush out the coolers and lines, reinstall tcase and shafts, shorten yoke a bit, make seat mounts ready. Then install trans floors and seats Friday.

Have Jim inspect this and rebuild with a core he likes better. This is a newer weaker core without room for the good goodies, apparently.

Frustrating.

Soft plans for the ~4" driveline migration either when I wreck a driveshaft and need to rework something anyway, or after the last line mountain race in September.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 11:54:38 PM
The $700 summit 350s are not in 'ship tomorrow' stock


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
bummer, nothing at jegs either
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Reverse manual valve body unit nearing the cart. Money == reliability, right??


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 12:24:49 AM
i dont get what a reverse manual gets you
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 12:26:24 AM
Versus a manual is just swaps the gears around.

PRN123
Instead of
PRN321

Would prevent accidentally hitting N/R while getting it.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
There's a 2.75 first gear option for the 350. None ship tomorrow.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 12:32:08 AM
Versus a manual is just swaps the gears around.

PRN123
Instead of
PRN321

Would prevent accidentally hitting N/R while getting it.


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would not help me in that car
i want to go i am pulling back all the way to a stop and holding on
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 12:33:49 AM
I still fight with the shifter. It's better, but I want a couple more stops.

At least reverse is findable. I just want it to be a little harder to find by accident.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 01:07:45 AM
TCI super street fighter. I'm under 750hp so hopefully it'll last a bit.

2000-2300 stall 12" converter.

Almost went for the Hughes stage 3, but I'd rather have their stage 2 with low first for the same price and it's 2-3 weeks out.

Maybe NEXT time I won't be rushed?
Hopefully Jegs truck freight is quick...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Harrison on July 15, 2014, 09:10:54 AM
Can't you just figure out how to get an AW4 in this thing?  ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 09:55:13 AM
jegs truck freight?   :o


no shipping upgrades offered?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
All the trannies seem to come freight, not really shocking I guess. Only from Ohio, I guess I'll see :-\
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 12:30:19 PM
Can u pick it up at the hub?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 12:39:31 PM
looks like a good trans to drop in. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 03:14:34 PM
giggity

tracking isn't live yet, but this should be "no problem." truck freight is gonna be faster than fedex if it really is one day.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 03:22:04 PM
i would def call- i have had it take up to 3 days to get from the R&L on RiverRd to rochester


its about 1:15 from here
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 03:26:18 PM
Jegs dont mess around!  I had to chase the RL truck down the street to get my rims haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
I should have a call tomorrow to arrange thursday delivery. dock pickup isn't an issue at all, shipper will need to authorize. as long as it doesn't get lost on its way to BUF/ ROC, should be all good in the hood.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 05:05:42 PM
Sweetness
I'm avail to lend a hand after work if u need one.
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2014, 08:03:08 AM
R&L just called. Delivery between 11-15:00 tmw.

I guess I'll be doing a little work from home.


Dinner plans tomorrow evening. Gonna wrap up the car Friday daytime but I really appreciate the offer!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2014, 11:12:49 PM
Hope this floor turns out. What a fuck ton of work to get it done how I want.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 17, 2014, 08:47:34 AM
Floor turned out. Was a fuckton of work, but it's done and done right. Seat mounts redone quick release style. They come out in one minute apiece with side tins off and should go in in under 5 with no air tools. Case in. Shafts hooked back up. Parts of floor final installed.

Potential for 2-3 hour trans swap. Probably 2 with a helper, 3 solo with a cherry picker. Injury solo without a cherry picker.

Musts:
Trans and sundries. Flush coolers.
Tcase shifters (or not)
Lap and sub belts
Reinstall center console and switches
Window net bar if a codriver magically appears. I don't think I have parts for that.
Water leak (went away after a day but was bad for that day. Weird). Plug heater hose holes.

Want to:
Swap squeaky alt
Do a little more mounting and splash protection on the new gauges.
Grease front axle ujoints
Check gear lube
Mount 6th tire and clearance rim, check pressures, remove wood from bead in RR.


Smike said something about number plates. I'll forget that.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 17, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I never would have come close to finishing a 700r4 swap, by the way. Nowhere near.

I flash burned my left arm really badly. It's been ages since I've causally fabbed like this. Sad!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 17, 2014, 10:00:50 AM
no water leak because the top of the block emptied

pull the water pump is 2nd high on the list after the trans!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 17, 2014, 03:35:59 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/18/ja3ybyde.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/18/paru8udy.jpg)

And I just damn near hit a deer coming onto campus on my way back from nu way


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 17, 2014, 03:40:33 PM
you going to be slaving all night?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 17, 2014, 03:51:30 PM
That was last night. I'll probably do a 9- midnight stint and wrap tomorrow day.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 17, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
looks like a business dock delivery to me!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 18, 2014, 03:08:22 AM
Took forever to get the new trans ready. Tail shaft has different threads for the speedo hold down, I had to dig out a fine thread bolt. Lots of shut to swap over. Cleaning the pan out took a while and a full can of brake clean with those cooling tubes running through it.

I'm going to drive this like a full manual this weekend but it isn't really. It has a kickdown cable (that I had to seal up and block off) and functional vacuum modulator (capped off). Quick reads told me that the vacuum modulator is what controls part throttle up shifts, but is too dumb to do the downshifting at low vacuum and high load, hence the kickdown cable. This vac modulator is upgraded to an adjustable unit.

I'm going to go ahead and hook that shit up. If I could get the trans to work well in drive, that's one less thing to think about, and there's no reason it shouldn't be able to.

I have the trans in the chassis but not all the way home. Still have to flush coolers, install belts & a seat, console and wire switches, window net, and water pump. I'm not going to bother with tcase shifters and I'm sure a few other things will get skipped. If I could teleport to PA and get to Shamokin early enough I would hit AOAA for a shakedown lap, but odds on that are absolutely zero with travel taking time. Oh well.

Going to do a bit more reading now to see if I need to extend the kickdown cable and lock it there to avoid doing harm. I hope not, I don't have a great way of doing that.



Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 18, 2014, 08:29:37 AM
how did the trans mount bolts line up- did you tap them out to 1/2"?
sounds like my cluster of cutting and welding a chassis nut 2x
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on July 18, 2014, 09:57:53 AM
I looked around on google and many said the kickdown cable removed/disabled will not hurt it but TCI said it should be installed anyhow. I'll do what TCI says as they're the one who built it and to keep the warranty.

http://www.tciauto.com/tc/automatic-transmission-dos-donts

Otherwise give TCI a call and see what they recommend in your specified situation.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 18, 2014, 10:14:26 AM
warranty?  haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on July 18, 2014, 10:50:21 AM
If there are!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 18, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
there are no warranties in racing
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 18, 2014, 12:28:12 PM
Oh, it was in my street driven mullet mobile camaro, eh?


A sadist came up with torque convertor bolts. I wish that flex plate had 3mm more clearance to the motor. So shitty.

This torque convertor has roughly the spec 1/8-3/16" clearance when pushed back on the trans. I bet that other one had ~3/8. Definitely needs spacers if it ever gets reused but I'll probably get another from Jegs if I like this one. $104 new no core and the stall that I'm told I want. We'll see.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 18, 2014, 12:50:53 PM
ripped down norman rd and into trailer ETA?


you rolling enclosed or popup and lowboy?
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 18, 2014, 05:10:58 PM
Haven't decided on trailer. Real bed has schrong appeal but I think enclosed will win for ease of packing.

Cooler flushing was super annoying and took forever. All that stuff up front holds a full pan of fluid so by the time anything came out it was sucking air. Got it sorted and trans is done.

Still need to do water pump, floor, seat, net, tins. It's gonna be late. Of course ::)

Breakfast was good just now. Half gallon of fluids too. I'm gonna be in great racing shape! At least it's a late start tmw. And I'm losing weight :)

U4 diet...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 11:25:46 AM
After shock reassembly, how is the oil bled? If my understanding of a remote resi shock is correct, there should be nothing but oil on the shock side of some sort of piston or diaphragm in the remote reservoir, with N2 on the schrader side maintaining oil pressure and preventing any foaming or cavitation as heat builds, right?


short term musts:
front diff seals are gone
need to check front wheel bearings. Tried to tighten one that felt loose and is giving me a low brake pedal, but it wouldn't give me any more preload.
check shock and bump pressures; investigate RR shock leak at remote hose
kickdown cable
replace blown bushings (confirmed they are 3"), order spares, replace Matt's 1 stock
replace rear amber light, tighten up hole so it can't fall out

mid term musts:
fix front bumper
fix or replace winch
fan controller and/or replace thermostat
clearance 6th wheel and mount tire, swap for bad spare wheel
tcase shifters

mid term nicities:
rewire, redo dash & console
pumper & helmet
shock tuning
swaybar
rock rings/wheels
better trans dipstick
rebuild front driveshaft
limit straps F&R
Dzus side tins, over batt, over brakes

longer term:
rear air bumps
1.5:1 steering quickener
regear? decide to what... I keep thinking how a married 203/205 would be nearly the same length, relatively cheap (compared to Atlas or Hero for sure!), and that I could run ~3.55-4.10 axles, and run 2:1 all the time with 4:1 in the rocks, with WAY easier range shifting.
aluminum links; all heim joints?
power brakes?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 11:38:50 AM
i found these guys


looks like about a grand to do my car
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
I'm guessing that's links? no link...

that seems pretty reasonable for 6 sticks of bling
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 12:04:46 PM
sorry, multitask fail


http://www.stinkyfab.com/axle-parts/suspension-links/7075-aluminum-suspension-links-3.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 12:05:25 PM
100-165 a stick for 2"  you could probably go smaller size on uppers
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 12:35:16 PM
2 lower/ 1.75 upper probably
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
A single slit and steel clamping collar (in similar style to factory tie rods) would probably do the trick to help not rip threads out and keep things tight. I do not trust nor put stock in jam nuts.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
i didnt either, but none of mine have ever come loose on 572 yet and they arent welded.  I think actually having enough articulation stops the movement that causes loose jam nuts
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on July 29, 2014, 02:22:08 PM
i was looking at these last year.

http://www.wideopendesign.com/Product/11145/7075-T6-Aluminum-Links.aspx

up to 2.5"       thats more meat around the cut threads for a 1.25"  heim

Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on July 29, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
A single slit and steel clamping collar (in similar style to factory tie rods) would probably do the trick to help not rip threads out and keep things tight. I do not trust nor put stock in jam nuts.

im not worried about the threads pulling out.  Im worried about when you slam down on the link and the wall around the threads blows out.

2.0" - 1.25" / 2 =  .375" wall @ threaded area
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
ya id go 2.5"s i just hadnt spent a ton of time looking.


price per inch!  eeek! 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
near a grand in lower links, oi!

2.25 or 2.5 lowers doesn't seem a terrible idea though.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 03:37:18 PM
ya it is really easy to throw gobs of money at a car  :o
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Already have done so.

Not much to show for it, aside from it being back to functional status - with more leaks.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 04:05:33 PM
welcome to racing


Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2014, 09:53:10 AM
ordered bushings, dipstick, kickdown cable.

borrow portaram or hit M4 to straighten the bumper sunday or next week?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 31, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
Porto ram has been acting special and i dont want it broken so id be happy to help you.  ;D

i can bring it sunday or ill stop over sometime.



Also expect we will have a race prep night or two next week your welcome to bring the car over then
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
Sounds good.

The only other big thing on the needs list is front axle seals. I almost want to think about gears since I'll be that deep into one end, but I think I'm just going to leave it 4.10s for now...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: matt on July 31, 2014, 12:16:23 PM
I have the 1 1/4 lf and rt taps I believe if you can find someone with a lathe.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2014, 12:19:13 PM
maybe we should price some raw material to compare, then? Not sure if smike's lathe is up to the task, there was an auto feed issue wasn't there?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 31, 2014, 01:02:43 PM
my late only passes like 1" lol
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 04, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
Found a stick that stalled the motor at Jared's. Very lucky... Had matt push me backwards off of it, no harm seemed to be done. Didn't bend the crank pulley.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/ata9yhyq.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/2edy3azy.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/hejyde5a.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/u3aje5y4.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/5ebavezy.jpg)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on August 04, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
impressive
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 04, 2014, 10:41:01 AM
Erik Miller on 571 driver side motor mount:

"that looks like someone didn't want that to come off a 3rd time"

Title: Re: 571
Post by: tony on August 04, 2014, 11:50:45 AM
I am surprised you did not say it was due to tony. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 04, 2014, 12:22:15 PM
Not the first time I've moved right into brush for oncoming traffic. Won't be the last...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 07, 2014, 05:29:57 PM
6 bills for a helmet and pumper now, or 6 bills for a helmet and pumper later...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 07, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
Now.

They are epic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 08, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
saved a hundo by not single sourcing. should have in time for racing. yay more things?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 08, 2014, 12:09:18 PM
Need to either straighten a bumper tonight or cut it off.

planning on doing some car work other than that too, we'll see where motivation is at after working on other shit all week. Not a lot of prep NEEDED for the picnic but I'd like to get this shit done

! straighten bumper, install hitch ball! :)
- new trans dipstick
- trans kickdown cable
- hook up vacuum modulator
- tcase shifters
- front axle seals
? fan controller
? circuit & switch for pumper high & low
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 08, 2014, 01:23:47 PM
no prep needed other than fix limit strap and check shock pressures



flight time! 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 08, 2014, 01:49:21 PM
Both things I keep forgetting about! Uugh. Should have measured for and ordered real straps.
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
All frame side upper bushings were totally raped. Changed.

Heims on front lowers especially right side have a healthy click. Ignoring.

Front bumps both at ~250. Didn't touch em, has felt great.

Both front shocks at 150. Bumped up to 220. RF shock seems to have had a resi seal failure, there is significant oil on the N2 side. Probably lost 2-5cc.

RR is the one leaking at the remote fitting. Still had 110. Tightened fitting (was a bit loose) and went to 230.

LR had 150. Took to 230.

Rear had faded much worse so I figured I'd give it a little extra extra.

Both rears seemed to have some oil in the n2 side as well. Not as bad as the RF though. Back to my "how do you bleed?" question I suppose.

Still todo
Lock down tcase bolts. Found one loose on passenger floor.
Diag hard start electrical. Which switch is flakey?
Pumper install and wire. Will steal from horn circuit.
Swap light bar switch. Died for the picnic so I'm glad we didn't night wheel.
Should swap some tires around and put the new leaker on trailer spare duty (AOAA rim damage)
That's about it for musts. Fuck the leaking front seal. Next week...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 13, 2014, 09:25:38 AM
did you fill at full extension?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on August 13, 2014, 09:27:47 AM
How do you bleed?

What are you looking to bleed? I must have missed this question.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 09:55:18 AM
Yes full extension. Well, actually ~1" compressed in rear - I didn't remove limit straps.

I can't find where I asked about bleeding either. No wonder I got no answers. To restate what I swear I once typed somewhere here:
If my understanding is correct, with a remote resi shock, all the oil is in the shock body doing the dampening and continues through a hose into the remote resi, where a piston separates a nitrogen charge from the oil. The N2 charge allows for volume change as the shaft displaces oil, allows for thermal expansion, and the pressure helps prevent foaming/cavitation. When you take a shock apart, how do you fill and bleed the oil side of that system? I guess I could probably find that in a howto on shock rebuilding/valving...

If oil has leaked to the N2 side, I've got to assume that N2 has leaked to the oil side as well and that's surely not a helpful thing to effective dampening and fade resistance
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 10:04:39 AM
looks like this is going to cover what I'm after
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/coilovers/Part_2/
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 10:17:18 AM
Yup, covers procedure well and works as I figured it had to.

Looks like I should probably get some IFP o rings (internal floating piston - that's what separates oil & N2) and take things apart to make them right. Annoying. If I'm going in, I should decide on a first take on valving changes as well.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on August 13, 2014, 10:41:49 AM
Yes, that is the guide that is most helpful.

I can check what I have left for o-rings to see if I kept any of them.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
After shock reassembly, how is the oil bled? If my understanding of a remote resi shock is correct, there should be nothing but oil on the shock side of some sort of piston or diaphragm in the remote reservoir, with N2 on the schrader side maintaining oil pressure and preventing any foaming or cavitation as heat builds, right?

IDK why I couldn't find that with what I was searching for....

Updated list:

short term musts:
replace flakey starter button
wire & mount pumper
new light bar switch
clearance 6th wheel and mount tire, swap for bad wheel (new to LF, LF to spare, spare to trailer at 50psi)
lube shifter

mid term musts:
front diff seals
rebuild shocks - new IFP seals and change valving while they're apart
fix or replace winch
fan controller and/or replace thermostat
tcase shifters

mid term nicities:
fix front bumper mo' betta - new winch plate & standoff tube
straighten spare tire carrier
kickdown cable
vacuum modulator
trans dipstick
tcase shifters
rewire, redo dash & console
shock tuning
rock rings/wheels
rebuild front driveshaft
real limit straps F&R
Dzus side tins, over batt, over brakes

longer term:
swaybar
rear air bumps
1.5:1 steering quickener
regear? decide to what... I keep thinking how a married 203/205 would be nearly the same length, relatively cheap (compared to Atlas or Hero for sure!), and that I could run ~3.55-4.10 axles, and run 2:1 all the time with 4:1 in the rocks, with WAY easier range shifting.
aluminum links; all heim joints?
power brakes?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 11:50:27 AM
smike, do you have any spare seatbelt buckles that match what I have? I need to make a new lower window net bar on the passenger side. Lost one a month or two ago on the way to your shop. I think just before the 4th of july.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 13, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
matt should have a bunch, i might have some in the shop also.  we gota few last J/J trip


you pick up a co driver? 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Taking 323nate around during prerunning. Can't remember if nets are needed, but it's anotherfuckinthing that needs fixin, and it's quick so it should just get done
Title: Re: 571
Post by: GBR928 on August 13, 2014, 03:25:10 PM

Taking 323nate around during prerunning. Can't remember if nets are needed, but it's anotherfuckinthing that needs fixin, and it's quick so it should just get done


I have seatbelt buckles let me know
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
I will be looking for one thursday evening sometime.

"family time" tonight (damn that sounds weird to say)

Ryan, I know you said you'd check what parts you have, would you potentially have any valve stacks? I'm hoping I can find a rough patch and get Nate to shoot some video for me friday to get a baseline for initial shock changes when I open them up. I've done some reading and watched some videos, I'm ready to play some voodoo. I'll be wishing for bypasses pretty much instantly, and surely questioning my Legends-eligible choices. Topics for another thread since we have three cars that need this work.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on August 13, 2014, 04:47:13 PM
Profender shocks will not use conventional valve stacks like the Fox or King, you will need to adjust valving on a shim basis, changing out shims for larger or smaller in the stack. They do not have the full stack tuning ability that you read about.

Im sure I have valve shims around somewhere, I will check.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on August 13, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
I have many many 2.0 valve shims, and 2 2.0 shaft seals.

Only a couple 2.5 shims.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 13, 2014, 05:52:57 PM
no IFP seals?

Don't suppose you have a drawing or pic of the valving? I don't understand what you mean.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/1115042-shock-valve-shims.html
Mkay, so it's a matter of having fewer diameter and thickness choices and a less progressive stack than others? Compared to the pics I've seen of Fox and King stacks there's a LOT less taper and a lot more repeated sizes there
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on August 13, 2014, 06:29:45 PM
Yes, Profender will be more trial and error than the Fox. More stacking of the same size shims to get to where you want. 

You will need to create a "flutter stack" to get what you need.  http://www.crawlpedia.com/shock_tuning.htm
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 14, 2014, 08:21:54 AM
Good link, thanks
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 14, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
Matt has some extra seat belt buckles.

i dont have my phone on me today.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 14, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
Still stuck at work. Yay
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 17, 2014, 06:14:23 PM
Swap welded JJ
Air bump pad
Spare wheel leak

Battery impact
Spares
- Link joints and bolts
- fuel pump?
- ??
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 19, 2014, 09:36:54 AM
Depending how frame side link mounts work out when I go heim, I just wanted to put this here as a sexy sexy idea. I don't think it would work on my chassis...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/1818681-savvy-currie-campbell-build.html#post27235785
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
Very sexy.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on August 20, 2014, 11:50:40 PM
Depending how frame side link mounts work out when I go heim, I just wanted to put this here as a sexy sexy idea. I don't think it would work on my chassis...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/1818681-savvy-currie-campbell-build.html#post27235785

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10527854_735537489841576_2401051135127317703_n.jpg)

Amazing.  I'd just clear-coat it. No need for paint.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2014, 04:36:14 PM
rule for 571 fail:  . The amber light and
blue light if so required must be mounted a minimum of 48” from the ground
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 26, 2014, 09:27:17 PM
3" too low as it sits. Might be sucked down.

No foam either is a fail.

Maybe a couple other things.

Toy ifs torsion bar is awfully long. Could potentially package creatively though?


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 26, 2014, 09:34:04 PM
Looked at to he links Bret have me. All JJs are right hand thread. Most are completely shot.

2 2.25" dia x 23" with 1.25" threads
2 2" dia x 25.5" with 1" threads.

Could replace my front uppers, but I'd need to move the mounts outboard on the frame to clear the exhaust with bigger and straight material. The current 1.75 steel is bent to clear. Not sure how that bent-to-clear might work if I delete frame side bushings. Effective length change as it rotates would bring the suck (should be super minor though right? My brain isn't working on that point), so I may want to move them out anyway.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 26, 2014, 11:22:23 PM
i ordered 2cubic feet of foam that says E85 compliant

i should be cutting aluminum tomorrow, but a meeting is in my way

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 30, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
On replacing the 1" shank front Johnny joint I broke:

1" heims seem rare. Cost the same at speedway as 1.25s, just under 50ea.

Could toss a pair each in front and rear with standard misalignment spacers to delete Johnny Joints.

Have to do work on links to delete bushings, which I would like to. Could remake with any thread I want. 7/8 seems right for uppers but I already broke a 1" JJ shank. So either 1 or 1.25 it is. There are wide misalignment spacers that take up space to go into a 3" bracket that matches my bushing width, but I doubt the hole spacing will clear the body of a heim. I found one listed dimension that gives a 1" heim a 2.75 body; bushings are in 2" tube.

Standard misalignment is 2 5/8 wide so I only have 3/16 on each side to just sandwich something in. Probably need to bite the bullet and just build new frame side brackets. Bah. Probably replace the front-fronts with 1" now and leave the rest for later.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 30, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
What about drilling new holes and using weld washers on he inside of the tabs / brackets?
Ruff stuff &
Bill Baird had some good ones
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 30, 2014, 11:09:07 PM
I'm not looking at it now but I think the brackets would need to get about an inch taller to hold the holes right.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 31, 2014, 06:28:09 PM
IC
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 03, 2014, 09:41:49 AM
Parts on the way to swap all 4 JJs to 1" heims.
Air bump replacement parts as well.

Need to look at brakes - may have bad master?

Need to tear into RF shock and swap parts. Ryan, think I can catch you for some oil and shims? let me know what you need out of it. I could swing out there Friday or Saturday evening.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 05, 2014, 10:40:43 AM
i have some fresh 1" bungs, or we have the tech now to do aluminum if you get the taps!  Enco is pretty good for drills / taps

little blast from past with lots o life left:
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 05, 2014, 10:47:10 AM
Sexy
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 05, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
More life left there than there is left now! Eep.

I keep thinking about putting the spare back up there but I like the balance she's got now.

I have some aluminum with 1" RH all over it that might work. Winter/spring project I guess.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 06, 2014, 07:57:08 AM
Got Propane Baby?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 10, 2014, 02:47:05 PM
Glad I didn't try to haul ass for Sturgis: I just had to have Speedway open a loose parts claim with UPS. My 1" heims and jam nuts are ALL somewhere between here and Nebraska :(

Definitely underboxed for 11# of small parts.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on September 10, 2014, 03:41:54 PM
Glad I didn't try to haul ass for Sturgis: I just had to have Speedway open a loose parts claim with UPS. My 1" heims and jam nuts are ALL somewhere between here and Nebraska :(

Definitely underboxed for 11# of small parts.

I won't be surprised if UPS will reject the claim due to them being poorly packaged.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 10, 2014, 04:32:29 PM
If I were UPS, I'd ask for packaging pictures from me, and I'd deny the claim.

They should have been in a small box in the big box and they'd have been fine. They probably were just bagged? Shitty.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 10, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
Speedway comes through again. Second time I've had a shipping issue with them - first was a site shipping time calculator being a day off and they comped me $20. This time they're 2nd daying the full set of lost parts. I told them that I was hoping to work on my shit this weekend and ETA is Friday. Hopefully they all arrive this time. Or at least that one left hander does...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 12, 2014, 08:29:53 AM
Never dealt w them.
Why not summit?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 12, 2014, 09:09:04 AM
1" heims are not a common item. They had them.

That said, I've done a TON of business with Speedway and they've always been really good. I'm probably 40/40 between Speedway and Summit. 9% Jegs, 9% Ruffstuff, 2% Fleabay/clist for nearly all the rest.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 12, 2014, 10:59:27 PM
Arrived. No box improvement. Large bag inside w all parts in it. Probably good for loose parts recovery in the ups system...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 15, 2014, 10:35:16 AM
Matt, is my 6th tire race ready? I need to dismount and look at my spare. Small sidewall pinch, but potentially split the rubber at the bead. Wheel is narfed real good there but the bead looks whole - but it leaks almost as fast as I can fill it.

I somehow missed buying 3/4" bolts last time I restocked, so I need to pick up more hardware. I have 9/16, 5/8, and 7/8. Fail... Need to stock toplocks too, and restock a few sizes already. I used a LOT of 1/4" in the trans swap floor project.

When I picked up my lowboy I was going to grab shock oil and shims out of the Ford. I guess they're the the shop though. I don't know that I'll have/make time to get into the shocks at all. At most, I think I'll try to swap a complete remote res and top off the oil. Anyone know the spec for IFP setting pre-charge? I can probably fake that pretty well when swapping the whole unit but need to know for a full rebuild if getting into the remote.

My rear springs are sitting like SHIT and wearing the hell out of the bottom caps. Seems all the Blue Coils did this. I think it needs some PAC love - but probably wrapped around some Fox 2.5s. That sounds expensive.

prerace punch list:
swap remote resi and bleed shock
Get one, hopefully 2 good spare tires
fix brakes. probably new master cyl unless there's a leak I haven't noticed.
install heim joints on front uppers

Nicities:
front diff seals, check wheel bearings
trans kickdown cable
Heims on rear uppers
Weld up small truss crack on rear at diff


I think that's it. Smike has the right lifestyle for racing....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 15, 2014, 10:38:22 AM
shock oil in shop
spare tire looks ok.  has a small bubble in the sidewall- looks like a cord broke or something

shop is a mess from unpacking, but we have two 100% functional cars that dont need any prep really. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 15, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Day Job
DOG (devil with 4 legs)
Woman
Mortgage
There's still room for racing!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 15, 2014, 10:58:59 AM
That's great that they just need a checkover and cleanup and no known WORK!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 15, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
Oh and you definitely need a UTV.
 Flashy wrap design
A Custom Wide Open Design Cage with Wake Board Boat Speaker Pods are a must.

Walking is for spectators.
LOL
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 15, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Fastenal Henrietta was a mess in the 3/4" area.

Found what I needed for coarse thread after resigning myself to fine thread - it was the third mis stocked item in 5 bins.

Jokinen Inc has about $92 purchased, paid for on the spot.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 15, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
i have a bag of fine thread 3/4 toplocks that are useless to me  bag of 50  up for trades
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 15, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
This was on a Slime wheel so it's not a "clean" wound.

Try to clean with soap and water? Brake cleaner? Not sure if that would hurt the rubber...

Spread it as far as I can without ripping more and slob it up with rubber cement? Gorilla glue? Or try to get it vulcanized?

Bead cords feel whole...

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2014, 12:54:23 AM
when did you get a flat?  cant see what im looking at.  i have had good success with patch work, but a bead lock clamp helps a lot with close to bead stuff
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2014, 07:39:03 AM
That tire was going flat when I broke the link. Inner bead, left rear, pinch.

The bar code sticker is the bead seat. It's right at/ through the rim protector.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2014, 09:35:17 AM
i can probably fix that if its cleaned and you can see where the hole is though on the inside.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2014, 10:26:25 AM
The pinch is easy. It doesn't even need a big patch.

The leak at the bead is the weird one. I think with a cleaner rim and bead it wouldn't even have leaked. Just not sure which material to stuff it with. Gorilla glue superglue or rubber cement. Or find some windshield urethane?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 17, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
Got the front joints replaced and brakes fixed last night. I just pushed the fluid out of the rear - barely loose fitting from line replacement that didn't leak at all when I bled them, only when I STOOOOOOD on them like when racing.

still need to:
- clean a wheel and bead; patch and remount a tire
- make sure the front axle is where it belongs and weld the jam nuts
- fix suckdown winch cable, again
- ignore the front diff seals again
- call the rear JJs fine (the left front one was bent to go along with the broken right front)
- ignore the trans kickdown cable again


The 3/4" unibits seem to suck. I ran two old ones and two brand new ones last night, all 4 stalled out at the same step, I think 5/8, and just seemed like the damn drill was in reverse there. Bah.

NO WAY will the frame side brackets fit a heim, or even close to it. I'll need to rebuild those to get rid of the bushings. On te subject of bushings, there was already wear on the front uppers from one lap, I put fresh poly in. Bah.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 17, 2014, 09:53:31 AM
i have learned maring and heating the shit out of the steel with a dull bit, and not flap wheeling the bur out of the way before hitting with a new unibit is no good. 


heat on steel is what kills them- you can sharpen them with a cut off wheel too haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 17, 2014, 12:27:41 PM
I was thinking I probably hardened the steel I was cutting with the bad bit...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 18, 2014, 11:27:36 PM
Didn't do anything with any shocks, didn't do the front diff seals.

Everything else on te list is checked off. Hopefully solid. Installed the kickdown cable. Hopefully increased line pressure at WOT will make crawling work better. Not that it'll matter in this race - unless I get to stick it in D.

Need to pack tools, load trailer, shop.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 21, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Wasted two tires and a wheel. Lost the better of the tires and a good wheel off the truck along with a strap and a RTJ cluster.

Added about 2" toe out.

Learned how effective a bare rim is at shitty pavement destruction.

Need:
Beefier front bumper
Siren (related items - I nerfed at least 5 times)
More wheels
More tires
Some tubes
Rear air bumps
Set dual rate stops more betterer
impact onboard and a trailer jack set up to run via 3/4 hex for fast tire change

Zero issues other than hitting trees and flatting tires. Considering a wide bumper for these races. Seriously.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 22, 2014, 11:48:19 AM
I forgot to mention that the kickdown cable works AWESOME. Left the slushbox in D all day, it shifted up at some loud number of Rs before the rev limiter, and shifted down when I dented the firewall with the pedal. perfect.

My only complaint is that I don't have trans braking in 2nd or 3rd. I think that's something that can be changed in the valve body, it's a shift kit option of some sort. If I tear the car down a bit to redo links, maybe I'll have the trans freshened and have that mod made...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 17, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axles-tires-wheels-sale/1850201-racline-monster-forged-17-beadlock-8x6-5-a.html 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 17, 2014, 05:44:18 PM
I _swear_ I posted this 5 minutes ago



I really want that, but no go with Artec arms. Gotta move out to 4.5, so I can hit and inch more tree on each side... :(

I haven't touched this thing since I washed it and put it in the trailer.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on October 17, 2014, 05:47:35 PM
lol, you did post it. in daily b.s.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 17, 2014, 05:48:28 PM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 18, 2014, 03:12:48 PM
Weird:

TreadDepot, where I got my tires, lists KMC XD Enduro beadlock a now, in 17x8 and 17x8.5. They have two different 6 lug patterns and two blank options. The center bores on the blanks are TINY! 72.6 and 83.06. No units given, but I'd assume mm dia. 4.77" is ~122mm. So wtf, over.

Who have you guys bought your KMCs through? I was figuring on 2 new tires and 6-7 wheels...

Not looking good for hitting shock tuning weekend. I have zero interest in rushing anything. WAY too burned out for that shit.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 19, 2014, 12:53:03 AM
pirate vendor. 

machinewave i believe 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 26, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
Matt just reminded be about gear installs


you should think about it to.  you are gona HATE life on hammers trails with 4.10's
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 26, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
Very very true. I still need to do front axle seals too. Should get some 5.38s in there and use more third gear...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 26, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
we will have a gear party one night in late Dec

572 rebuild and rear spool install
928 front and rear spools and 5.38's
571 gears!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
Tires mounted. Need to hog out the wheels. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/03/798fb8fb814cf12caf3c7db3f76e7e4e.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 04, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
Pretty sure I found the funny front end noise.    (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/f827d900db8be04cfac37fd496ccf1c7.jpg)

Anyone ever get inner axle seals to live? Outer bearings took a BEATING from crap coming in the backside. Surprising still appear serviceable. I really really want a parts washer though. Really.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on January 04, 2015, 05:29:41 PM
Don't know if these will work for you.  I'm going to run them.

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/SEAL1.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 04, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Sorry, I meant inner spindle seals. Axle seals are trashed too but I'm not as worried about them...  They live for a while sometimes as opposed to never ever living.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 04, 2015, 06:31:13 PM
used winch. For sale cheap. Dfw.
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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on January 04, 2015, 08:23:38 PM
Sweet find mark.

Never had good luck with spindle seals either... ever.
I just grease and or replace them often. Seems we do alot of wheeling in water I guess.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 04, 2015, 08:55:09 PM
are the spindle seals and axle hat seals present?


we just clean and grease 3x a year and they last


nice winch
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 04, 2015, 09:11:12 PM
Its however you last assembled it. First time I've taken it apart IIRC. Parts were present just not sealing anymore.

Axle in/out without outer c clip probably doesn't help it


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 04, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
only the yukons run an axle c clip.  solids and fat girls dont. 


Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 05, 2015, 10:03:35 AM
Doesn't mean it isn't the reason. Axle walk is probably still a thing.

Anyone know what the difference in 14 bolt install kits is pre/post 1988 model year?

Yukon lists MK GM14T-B as '89+ and MK GM14T-A as '88-
No idea which I have. I'm getting install kits since I'm short on spare shims. Preload on the front is SUPER light BTW. Carrier and pinion installed and it'll coast for a full revolution. Feels like the pinion should without a seal installed, kinda funny :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 05, 2015, 10:45:56 AM
85' K30 should be your look up. 

The first design was produced from 1973 to 1984. The first design remained unchanged until 1986. This design had drums that were held on by the wheel studs and had a smaller diameter pinion bearing than the second design. The second design was produced from 1986 to present. One change that occurred in the second design was that on some models the brake drum could be removed without having to remove the hub and axle shaft. Additionally, the pinion received a larger diameter bearing while the pinion stayed the same diameter, which increased the durability of the pinion. All these axle are full floating.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on January 05, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
emailed motive gear... working on it
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 05, 2015, 12:27:45 PM
trail gear/longfield spindle bushings ordered. replace seal and bearing with a teflon piece. we'll see how they do; they're well-reviewed.

https://web.trail-gear.com/TG/Longfield_Dana_60_Spindle_Bushing__Teflon/i_0_0_/_301693-2-KIT.aspx
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 05, 2015, 12:34:30 PM
interesting, never heard of them

how did the upper king pin bushings look? 

i had to replace the king pin eliminator plates in mine, the adjustor bolt wore a hole through them, the nylon cones were shattered as they are every time the knuckle comes out...


I put reid bronz$e units in this time. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 05, 2015, 12:36:57 PM
seriou$ly on the broze units. one bushing was in two pieces, the other was whole. MUCH better condition than expected. Both very worn on the lower outer. will replace with stock this and probably next go-around. I think the 37s vs the 44s have a huge impact in parts wear on the frontend. I'm uncertain what Matt's excuse is ;)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 05, 2015, 12:45:49 PM
the springs keep the nylons happy and tight even broken.


the Artec arms will need adjustment almost every trip / race to keep them tight. 


i have at least one johnny joint thats usable for you untill alumminummmmm and heims
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 05, 2015, 12:59:39 PM
JJs on rear axle uppers should be OK. all is welded together there from bad threads at some point so heim swap will definitely wait for new arms.

Already have blown bushings on front frame side uppers, bah.

they'll be shot the first day there I'm sure. May change them mid week if the front pisses me off ::)

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 08, 2015, 10:34:33 AM
gears and spools and cell foam ordered from Summit. really wish this week hadn't been kicking my ass and I'd have been able to push that button yesterday and maybe have them Friday.
Oh well, plenty of other shit to do this weekend.
uugh, I need a crew. and a vacation.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 08, 2015, 10:35:12 AM
Planning to do proper fuel pickup system and cell foam for next season. not touching the cell now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 08, 2015, 11:10:53 AM
nice!

one of us should order a D60 pinion depth gage one of these days lol
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 11, 2015, 10:13:35 PM
I really wish I had a plasma. Winch mount would be done along with something else if I did, instead of winch almost done.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 11, 2015, 11:01:19 PM
there is one 10 min down the road.... open any time
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 13, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
get your arms yet?

let me know if you need quality hole drilling devices

928 and 572 run 7/8 bolts single shear at the arm, and 3/4 at the PSC clevis


i had to buy fine thread bolts a different size for the 2 on each side that go into the key way, not sure why, but let me know i have a bag of them if needed.

HD cone washers should be made also- i have the right DOM some spin some on the lathe
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on January 13, 2015, 08:30:04 AM
Artec order still in "Processing"
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 13, 2015, 08:49:00 AM
Wtf.

I read of needing different hardware through the keyways. Thanks.

Taking today off to burn a bunch of extra propane and get some work done on this thing.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 13, 2015, 09:38:25 AM
pick up a phone now and call.  those guy are busy this time of year.  make sure they have them in stock and they can be shipped.....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 13, 2015, 11:42:26 AM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axles-tires-wheels-sale/1960658-37-x-13-59-x-17-toyo-mt-spare-25-a.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 13, 2015, 11:43:41 AM
pay him 50 to drop it at 105 poison spider
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 13, 2015, 11:41:47 PM
anyone know this connector? Superwinch solenoid. Planning to direct wire to dash switch, would like to not just cut it off the factory relays if I can get another...

It's the female end I need.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/13/fbf113920f5ce435e28a97399703d9a1.jpg)(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/13/238374aa9242ba3f3970355886a42040.jpg)(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/13/cac2d8ce61cc6fe8f8ae92d8d65532ba.jpg)(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/13/5c3aad9eacfc142cf13bb5f381917823.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 13, 2015, 11:54:49 PM
let me take a look.  looks familiar.  might need to remove the polorize tab


looks just like a TPS conector
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on January 14, 2015, 07:31:03 AM
almost 100% available in Standard..

look at super winch website
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 20, 2015, 11:38:49 PM
What the fuck was I thinking getting min install kits?

Fuck my garage, too. Hard


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 20, 2015, 11:43:09 PM
last minute motor sports!


if its rolling bring it over after Thursday night we will have the third bay cleaned out.  i think both are cars are done with the lift also. 

sorry i should have offered earlier and planned better. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 21, 2015, 01:17:36 AM
Confirmed front was all on setup bearings. Will stay that way for Cali most likely. Goal was to get both ends done tonight. Left work at 7p yet again, just got front to first pattern check. Not checking; going to bed.

Took every shim I had to make the carrier tight. Housing is likely a bit spread with as loose as the stock carrier was with a reasonable number of shims. God I want dropout thirds. 


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 21, 2015, 08:20:53 AM
throw the new pinion in as the old was depth wise and set the preload.  get the carrier in with preload and backlash.  put the cover on. 


 ;)

matts spool too .060 on each side to get some preload for a start.  i doubt that housing is spread, or it would be broken. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 21, 2015, 02:36:12 PM
I have arms.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 21, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
not sure how many turns lock to lock you are now,


but i reduced my radius by about 3/8" when i went to artecs and got my steering from 2.3 turns to just a little less than 2 i believe. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 21, 2015, 05:15:33 PM
ooh, good call. I'd like to be a little less, that's easier than a quickener. I'll have to do some playing.

though that car already doesn't have enough steering stop in it for the axle joint clearance.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 21, 2015, 05:17:37 PM
the solid knuckles have bosses that contact the C

if all the bolts are gone and its just boss on C, you only travel about 30-35 degrees steering


mine are beat in enough on the knuckle i get about 42 degrees
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 21, 2015, 05:21:22 PM
I think these are probably 35, but the yokes are probably good for 32. They fight. It'll break ujoints eventually. I'm not changing them right now since they look and feel good. I'll regret that i've done nothing to limit the knuckles or ram the first time that's actually a problem.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 21, 2015, 05:30:17 PM
weld a 3/8 nut to the C or knuckle, done
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on January 22, 2015, 11:29:14 PM
Mike we missed you tonight!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2015, 01:10:05 AM
At work till 9  not much accomplished. Hate this shit...

Hope the next the days are stupendous


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2015, 04:36:51 PM
I was going to pick up another fuse tap and forgot. Damn.

Too much load?

Starter trigger 2a?
Horn ??
2x pumper ~7a
3x cig lighter 10a
Winch trigger .5?

Sounds like a 20a might be on the edge depending on horn load.  maybe there's another something laying around for cig lighter source...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 23, 2015, 04:44:26 PM
get it rolling yet?


bring over sunday with trailer?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2015, 05:53:29 PM
Maybe


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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2015, 09:07:23 PM
no spacer. Two tight lug nuts. Interesting.

5" backspacing no problem.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/23/3cf016392288205a88bae60c0f2f3538.jpg)

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 24, 2015, 02:24:20 AM
holy fucking crush sleeve. That had to need 800+.

Pinion and nut WELL tested for thread and tensile strength.

This, with everything I've got plus a bit. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/23/278c9a68b66810a550860217cb335f6a.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: dubt on January 24, 2015, 08:02:54 AM
I only put that on finger tight last time Mike
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Harrison on January 24, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
I watched Dan setup mine with crush sleeve eliminator in 5min with an impact and a press!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 24, 2015, 10:19:20 AM
14b really wants a press. Which I don't have. 4.10 pinion junked from hammer impatience.  Put a serious hurting on my brass hammer that I use as a drift for install too. I even pour the bearings in the oven at 350 first.

Yoke is also slightly cracked at ubolt hole. Pre existing. Probably from pre-pinion guard days?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 24, 2015, 11:03:52 AM
ya deff need a press for that one
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 26, 2015, 08:59:27 AM
14 bolt crush trick.... mount it in the diff, put pipe wrench on yoke held by suspension link.  use gravity and pipe on socket on pinion nut and stand on it pushing down on driver side.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 08, 2015, 04:44:30 PM
Needed: GM p/n 12554030 power steering and alt bracket

Smaller than stock ps pulley?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 08, 2015, 04:47:39 PM
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/4-5-serpentine-6-rib-pulley-tc-series-pump.html
Maybe


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 12, 2015, 07:28:45 PM
Thinking safety a lot since this trip and the fires.

I think when I replace the electrical kill, I'm going to remote mount it closer to the battery with a cable actuator. Disappointed that my 500a fuse had issues. Probably ebay quality/ rating issue there.

That also makes me think monster trucks and their cable-actuated mechanical fuel shut offs as well. Could something like that save the car in a case like the aussies'? I think maybe in some cases - and it's a sight cheaper than a "halon" system. I don't think any of us have engine compartments enclosed enough for any of those systems to matter. Better to aim it on yourself...

I'm thinking something that could gang all 3 fuel shutoffs together and actuate them from the dash with a cable... Probably take a lot of leverage & travel.




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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 13, 2015, 10:23:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTiCfErOmPY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 13, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
That was the one where the cameraman and I scared each other! and where I decided krts were no good


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 14, 2015, 10:32:12 PM
Lol looks mean
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 25, 2015, 01:42:52 PM
overdrive pulley, new bracket on order. already have a new pump. Will check all clearances after install, along with squaring up the axles to the chassis, as first post-CA maintenance. Back at least to wreck-wheel status at that point.

need to see if I can find a carquest (and the receipt) to get core charge back, I think that was like $160 or something.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2015, 09:38:41 AM
saving this for later... I kinda like the goatbuilt prewired option. need to look at my old wiring sketch, and compare this to the full breaker option.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/electrical-wiring/1783897-sexy-waterproof-fuse-relay-box.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 10, 2015, 09:45:16 AM
wiring sucks..
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2015, 09:46:10 AM
bad wiring sucks.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2015, 09:50:08 AM
had to rewire a lot of the mowzer. There was an unused hot terminal in the factory harness on the supply side of the breakers that has been fine for 50 years now, and shortly after moving things around fixing the steering box a couple weeks ago, it decided to arc out and melt two wires in the harness and give me a near-fire behind the dash late last week.

All better now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 10, 2015, 10:05:19 AM
not a single crimp connection on 928 or 572 seems to be working fine.  All solder and double heat shrinked


the only weekness in my wiring is how i connected to relays.  i think they will get soldered soon.  Had a spade terminal pop off once wreck wheeling.   
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2015, 10:07:06 AM
you feeling okay? your spelling is even worse than usual this week  ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 10, 2015, 10:10:24 AM
i dont know the CL responses must be getting to me
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2015, 10:11:49 AM
don't get too much of that on ya. hah

rio grande looks like a sweet drop top summer cruiser if the frame is whole!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 12, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
some one stole your idea mike

(http://216.170.132.214/images/rcv-img-upper.png)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 12, 2015, 02:14:55 PM
Almost look like lull fenders. Sweet


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 12, 2015, 03:27:44 PM
just happen to notice on RCVs site one of the pics haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: jacel86 on March 12, 2015, 06:08:15 PM
Newer tractors have a similar setup but it's on a neat pivot that's spring loaded so the tire can turn full lock and the fender stops 75% or so of the way.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 29, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
Power steering all set. Forgot I need to get a shorter belt. Arie I'll hit you up late this morning.

Everything else looks good at first glance. Light bar re mount, little lights are loose. Needs bolt and fluid check and tools packed.

I want some weatherproof 2 pin connections for my lights. Anyone have favorites or should I just get into weatherpack tools? Assuming they're rated for high enough current.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 29, 2015, 09:22:24 AM
solder and double heat shrink
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 30, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
Had to tighten front pinion nut. Should probably replace that, I think I reused it. Hopefully it stays where I just put it.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 04, 2015, 05:00:35 PM
front axle placement (RTI ramp is at M4, pull coils and air bump pressure for clearance check)
front and rear limit straps shock eye to shock eye to maximize effectiveness
rear air bumps
rear welded link end repairs and JJ's byebye to 1.25 heims
rear sway bar similar to matts setup
full chassis weld check
fix dash hacks  ;D

i would personally do all of these things before spending coin on 2.5's

let me know what i can help with.  We have a pile of 2x2 links with 1.25 bungs from 572 / 928  should be 4 or 6 you could cut down and add one bung, or welcome to lathe for 7075 work
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 04, 2015, 05:05:19 PM
I just applied to the Fox racing program. I would rather get to sell two new Profenders to help pay for the Foxes than have to chop up one more to fit the existing mounts. The springs on there are crooked piles of shit, too, and I want them gone. Would rather not buy springs for 2" shocks.

hood goes on a list that includes dash work. and rewiring is more important than either of those items, but is WAY more expensive and time consuming. Every time it works it doesn't become a priority :-\

wheels/beadlocks are on my list too. otherwise you pretty much duplicated what I wrote down last night.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2015, 12:23:18 AM
i dont see bead locks really as anything other than allowing you to drive on a flat longer if you choose to do so. 

Stopping the flats should be a priority, running higher air, or get the car tuned better, or regain control of the car better. 


Changing wheels to loose the front spacers, would be better reason. 




i have had zero luck selling my new in box profenders for 100$ less than what i paid Ryan :(  i have 6 now
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 05, 2015, 09:24:32 AM
changing wheels to lose the spacers, and also because the lips on the H2s are so weak. It's either that or get some spool gun practice with a shaped brass backer to rebuild the bead lips and then put some rock rings on there. I was hoping Kim would get a night of that in her class and then school us, but she ended up doing more TIG instead of spool gun work.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 05, 2015, 11:14:03 PM
Any spare air bumps or mounting cans around for my rear?

Just messaged Dean about bodies and seals. Figure I won't have fox approved much less ordered/in hand in time for next race. Would rather fix the broken than run the new.

Need some oil, seals, and some shims as long as I'm in there.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 12:49:57 AM
i have shims for 2.0 from Ryan still.

i have (2) 2.5" bump cans
have various springs if you need to replace that wonky one and or change rate/  Jeff probably has some springs left i gave him

i have a buyer looking for CO's let me know your prices for used and new if you decided to sell. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 06, 2015, 08:08:06 AM
What did you order from Fox?
 I have shocks sitting on the shelf
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
Only ordered race program enrollment so far.

Planning on (4) 2.5x14, hopefully a bit set up for my weights.

Smike, and record of what springs are on there? I'm have doubts I'll be able to read them all. Thinking I should go up a bit on the rear lowers along with lots more compression. Bottoms way too easy.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 09:26:45 AM
rears i think would be both 16" coils 150/150
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2015, 12:00:01 PM
Can you take a look at your coil stock?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
here is the list of stock

I guess not much will help you in 2.5" ID coils
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
Damn, those are some high rates. I was hoping for some 180-200.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 01:29:09 PM
what are status and location of dual rate stops- adjusting those may fix your bottom issue without changing rate over entire travel
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 02:21:21 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/misc-stuff-sale/2053018-fox-2-5-x16-coilovers-bumpstops.html 


blue top are not factory series, but still good deal
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
dual rate stops are less than an inch above dividers at ride height IIRC. I did look at them and the were very close.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 06, 2015, 04:15:32 PM
I don't think I want to play the 16" game. You had enough fun with trying to make too-long shocks work :-/
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 06, 2015, 04:26:11 PM
profenders are long for their size.  that car had 16" air shocks on it to start.  look at Eye measurements.  but ya stick with 14's if you can.  1800$ a pair for what i just ordered..... no springs.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 07, 2015, 07:37:38 AM
I have 2" × 14" and 16" on the shelf.
Toothpicks.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
profenders are long for their size.  that car had 16" air shocks on it to start.  look at Eye measurements.  but ya stick with 14's if you can.  1800$ a pair for what i just ordered..... no springs.

I'm not sure I'd be happy gaining that much height. The SAW 16s are short for their travel, but the Foxes are longer than the Profenders.

I guess it would keep me from having power steering clearance issues? :-\
Not sure about that. And worthless heavy springs. Maybe some flatbiller diesel ricer needs them though?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 07, 2015, 05:54:38 PM
Fuckit, I gave him an offer on the 16s he could certainly refuse. Found one other set of 2.5x14s with MUCH lighter springs (actually mostly too light) and waiting to see if they're still around.

Calling Dean on PF parts now. Not excited.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 15, 2015, 02:01:28 PM
Heard nothing back on any 2.5 pms that were sent. Forgot I’d sent any until seeing the above post.


Submitted without further comment:
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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on May 15, 2015, 03:10:02 PM
and he didn't put them in a box?  I hate that shit.   Retail boxes are usually not sturdy enough for shipping.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 15, 2015, 04:22:18 PM
unless your a real company like fox

there boxes are legit to reuse!




what is application and problem with above?  looks like a wandering jeep fixer stabilizer thing ma bob 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 15, 2015, 04:35:32 PM

what is application and problem with above?  looks like a wandering jeep fixer stabilizer thing ma bob

I’m sure it’s fine for what it’s for

Pretty useless as a 14x2 body.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 15, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
haha nice!

one of the guys at work got an ATV engine instead of ATV tires once
Title: Re: 571
Post by: dubt on May 15, 2015, 09:27:30 PM
That's what I need to correct all my wandering and torque steer right?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 16, 2015, 12:17:27 AM
lol


band aid that just eats your tires while you think the jeep is aligned!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 21, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
No ship notice on shock body yet, so it'll be next week. ::)

Will undoubtably end up narrowing the mounts on and installing & abusing a brandy-fresh shock that I'd really like to sell as new, instead of getting to fix the old one and using it as an excuse to change some valving back there. Motherfucker. I'm SO DONE with Mike and Dean. BAH! Haven't heard anything back from Fox. I'm probably not being social enough on the socials for their taste.

Of course this week has gotten away from me, and I haven't searched for another shock oil source anyway. At least projects are going well up at Kim's house.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on May 21, 2015, 01:46:22 PM
I bought the 5 gallons of shock oil from Emerson oil on Lyell, Instock

http://www.emersonoil.com/
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on May 21, 2015, 02:13:20 PM
or deckman


that's where I was going to direct you..
we don't buy it direct...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 21, 2015, 02:24:18 PM
I've gotten oddball stuff from Emerson before. Was going to check with them if the other option didn't pan out.

No shock body anyway right now so oil alone is not going to be much of a help.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2015, 02:42:39 PM
Matts car got changed over to fox bumps so he has 3 good bumps for sale  i might have enough tube to make 2 cans left. 

not sure how much shock oil we have left.  probably enough to fill at least one
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 21, 2015, 02:46:46 PM
he texted me this morning, I think we'se gon' make a deal.

I was going to ask if you had any can-making tube, and if I might be able to use the shop this weekend for alignment and bump mounting and shock replacement.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 25, 2015, 12:57:25 AM
I loathe all possible rear bump layouts. Only thing I can see being happy with is either:

- increase rear uptravel - I have ~3” I could gain, which would make it marginal instead of horrible.
- mount bumps high, and contact swaybar end links. .

I plan to do the latter, after next race. Need to order a NASCAR bar like the other two cars. Bumps will land right at the rear corners of the fuel cell.
2” stroke bumps may be better, not sure on that.

Rear setup was SO wrong. No idea how it got where it was. Had just over 3” of shaft showing with spare and full tank. Going to bump that up ~3” and set dual rates low. It was basically riding on the dual rates too. :-X

Some retard must have set this thing up.

Front axle is 1.125” out of true at droop from A pillar base.

Rear was 9/16” out at C pillar base, compounding. Amazing it drove at all straight - but no wonder I couldn’t maneuver in tight quarters. Wheelbase 1.25” off from side to side at ride height.

Rear is down to 1/4” off. Not sure I can do better with the welded upper JJs without getting the axle too far off center. There’s a right and left hand thread in there now, and I have (2) RH heims to work with as replacements. Probably that same retard involved there...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2015, 02:01:58 PM
Thanks for the help on this last night, Mike. Getting closer.

Going to go watch Kim run corp challenge tonight, I forgot that was today. If you need the lift, it should be fully rollable. Just no nuts on bolts at the axle iirc.

Hopefully the nicked steering line doesn’t make itself an emergency. Need to measure length and figure fittings on that and get fresh. Boo.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
ya it kinda needs to be gone with the CJ6 in the shop-

losing a day to a club meeting this week also i just realized... 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
Matt has the PN for power steering pump needed


Any reman will fail in 5-50 miles.   we have lots of data to support this. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on May 26, 2015, 02:23:52 PM
Matt has the PN for power steering pump needed


Any reman will fail in 5-50 miles.   we have lots of data to support this.

I have a new outlet for reman steering..

dont expect it to be on shelf unless popular GM application
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2015, 04:32:43 PM
I _think_ that knowing that, I got whatever the most expensive option was from CarQuest out there, and that is was not a reman. I want to say $250 ballpark.

I need to find that reciept to get my core back too, that'll verify whatever it is.

Just shove the pile outside, it'll be fine-ish I guess. Really sucks but I've gotta do what I've gotta do. I forgot about the club meeting too. Wasn't realizing it was this week. I'd kinda rather skip it and work on shit I need to get done, of which a meeting isn't at all one. WAY too much going on in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2015, 04:42:20 PM
at least we got the vacated air bump spacers as originally designed back in to stop everything from exploding on the the front    :o
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
That’ll be nice.

I should be able to get alignment close enough at home, and get those rear uppers out for modification if you have time to run them on the lathe.

Otherwise it’s a bit of plumbing and a broken bolt.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2015, 05:00:31 PM
i was just looking through KOH pictures to see if they were present, and got adjusted from prerunning dessert whoops
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 26, 2015, 05:26:21 PM
looks like fresh paint and tins pictures show bumps sticking up out of cans with no spacers.

4x4101 2012 is the only pic i can find with spacers in before PSC steering


sorry.   no recollection of they got out

Odd you made it many race miles without issues
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 26, 2015, 06:11:53 PM
I’m not tagged in anything less recent than new paint that I can see the bumps.

Had to have been missing since I’ve had it. Lucky I guess?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: dubt on May 26, 2015, 06:27:31 PM
I'd be ok skipping the meeting also
Title: Re: 571
Post by: CJ on May 26, 2015, 07:11:55 PM
Where is the meeting?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on May 26, 2015, 08:05:21 PM
The Moose lodge
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 27, 2015, 12:05:53 AM
if you didnt get an email, up date your profile





spun down two new 1" thread bungs for rear upper replacement
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
should be a finishing machine!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 29, 2015, 11:36:07 AM
Some very reasonable upgrades completed on this unit thanks to the crack team at M4wd!

Alignment completed.
Front bump stops set & fixed - no more bottoming and breaking things.
Rear height bumped up to ~6" shaft showing, and broken shock swapped. Still no parts from our friends at Profender, so another NEW shock on the car.
Rear upper links vastly improved with fresh heim joints instead of waiting-to-break welded shank Johnny Joints
Stretched shock eye swapped
Beat bump pad swapped

Needs:
right kingpin preload bolt replaced. snapped while adjusting
steering hose replaced - nicked by overcompressing frontend
Limit straps mounted (longer rear, adding fronts) - calling PRP shortly to check on shipping, since they said they were going out yesterday but didn't actually get on the brown truck according to tracking
Siren installed (eta sometime next week)
Rear-rear ujoint checked, some cross play. maybe worn or maybe stretched 14b yoke
double check all bolts, etc.

Next:
rear bumps
front driveshaft
aluminum links, hiems everywhere, 5/8 & 3/4 hardware everywhere. no more 9/16.
2.5s
rear swaybar
rewire
motor? (oil smoke not gone...)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 29, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Finally got my shock body ::)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 29, 2015, 12:25:33 PM
lol that sucks
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 29, 2015, 12:31:46 PM
The fail is strong with Mike and Dean :(

PRP limit straps due tuesday. All well there - mixed up with another order. Too many things are on the way.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on May 29, 2015, 03:50:15 PM
I think that Whalen external speaker is still in my trunk...  :-[
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 29, 2015, 04:09:39 PM
That's okay...

We'll see how this Pelican 200w unit fares. I'm sure it's plenty of loud, durability in the environment will be the question...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 01, 2015, 10:04:42 AM
Limit straps and siren both due tomorrow.

Looking at rear-rear ujoint today. Bought 3/4" fine thread gr8 bolts this morning to replace artec preload set screws since one broke.

Steering lines replaced yesterday and system bled. Powerdrives had a sweet adaptor to 45˚ flare to get rid of that kinked stock PS line into compression fitting out of the pump, looks good.

Should have the car at 100% by tomorrow end of day. Then have some patch & paint to do on the outside of Kim's house and should have that place pretty much squared away before we leave for the race, too. Another long week in the making!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 01, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
ya we use those fittings, they are called "bump fittings" by the old guy at power drives
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
Going to need to figure out a waterproof box for this guy, and how to wire to a single speaker. No instruction Chinese unit...

Speaker is a 2 wire connection.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/02/2a4e52f4b69357b2bf5617d6bbb7e2b8.jpg)

Need to find room for the speaker too! Big Mohambe.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/02/e318957ce970b9d3c0be1893e5f5882f.jpg)



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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 02, 2015, 03:59:53 PM
this should be on the long list

finishing races should be on the short list!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 04:02:37 PM
getting limit straps should be on the short list.

PRP shipped the wrong straps. Hopefully Nicole follows through on her expedited shipping to fix it. Error in translation from online order to what went on the actual order sheet. That's a lil weird to have a manual entry step anywhere there.

My email confirmation said what I wanted.
What I got matched what was on the packing slip. The disconnect was between the order and the pack slip.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 02, 2015, 04:19:02 PM
it baffles me how these places survive.  that's so common with manual entry from web to actual.  its crazy. 


Ruff stuff claims parts were shipped. 

I respond: were they shipped 5/29 like the email says, or 10 minutes ago



guy didn't find that comical. 

 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
I don't find it comical either. I guess overpromise and mostly deliver most of the time is good enough...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 02, 2015, 04:43:02 PM
in any event, i still dont know if they will be here tomorrow or next week maybe sometime.  Probably friday afternoon so they sit outside all weekend.


F's
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 05:10:49 PM
Shitty. I hope they're well bagged and won't get wet and rust if they sit out.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 02, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
nope, sure it will be the same flatrate with half the parts falling out as usual
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 05:17:22 PM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on June 02, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
it baffles me how these places survive.  that's so common with manual entry from web to actual.  its crazy. 


It baffles me as well, Everytime someone tells me the have to put things in Quickbooks or into some other system or program after a customer places an order, I wonder why? The technology exists to never touch a thing. Its cheaper and less mistakes.

We never touch anything when our orders come in, Just print and pack. Auto import to QB, auto import to UPS shipping, I guess people have to feel busy or need to keep their jobs.......
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Auto is the only way to go. Manual processes cost time and cost mistakes. Insane... On the bright side: just got fedex ship notification. Due Thursday.

Need to leave a note for fedex - looks like they ticked signature required. Damn.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on June 02, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
Makes no sense.
We encounter same shot in construction. I Email saleman and trim shop manager. Salesman prints email and hands to random person who manually enters order into computer. And then sends it over to trim shop manager.
Orders typically arrive incomplete or wrong. And no one cares why.
Except us!
Torq-masters & Off road Industries do it right. Take the human out of the process.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2015, 09:07:51 PM
200w is probably too much. Omfg


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2015, 05:46:07 PM
Taken out during lap 5 of 10 by a cooling fan failure. Spins freely but electrically open on high and low. 16th in class and 62nd overall iirc. Roughly mid pack overall, ~30% in class? Changed a RF tire once. May have a leak on that corner now.

Lou slammed me once when I pulled over to let him by. Tire carrier may be history.

Dust was BAD. I need a lot more pumper. Had to crack my shield many times and got lots of eye dirt for it. 

Need some harness mods for Kim. She had to get our after lap 3, I think more shoulder harness padding that stays in place, and adding a sternum strap will be where to start, but I’m not sure. Willing to try again though! Shes got boniness in places I don’t understand so I don’t necessarily know what will help.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 07, 2015, 05:46:55 PM
Oh-siren on horn only right now and only once was it not heard/ not heeded. Pure awesome for a course with this much traffic!!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on June 08, 2015, 07:48:42 AM
Oh-siren on horn only right now and only once was it not heard/ not heeded. Pure awesome for a course with this much traffic!!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2015, 07:18:02 PM
I really need a portapower.

Also a better spare carrier/bumper design.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2015, 09:34:59 PM
Found broken dipstick tube. Broke new dipstick tube attempting install. Fuckit


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 17, 2015, 12:33:32 AM
hi lift works fine for that adjustment

no dice on any dipsticks at M4
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 18, 2015, 05:22:08 PM
traditionally one would freeze the dipstick tube .. then put into room temp/warm engine..
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 18, 2015, 11:58:11 PM
Sanded off powedercoat. Wasn’t quite enough. Sanded off a tiny bit more and all good.

Clean race for me, minus one flat.  Huge gash in the side by the time I stopped plus probably a ton of small damage. Will probably require stitches to hold a tube. Maybe stitches and a tractor patch could get it Slime-worthy? Doubt it.

Thinking bead locks so I can repair my other two with damage at the bead, and thinking about diy tireballs. I’m tired of destroying tires.

Also time to get an impact and fully execute on Quick Jack plan 1.1 with a modified shaft to prevent over- extension once I replace the cracked internal nut from testing. Flat tire lap nearly gave me heat stroke and cost me 24-28 minutes. 5 of that is what it takes to get back in the car, of course.

Home safe. No issues. Beautiful fog and clouds from the storms.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 10:08:17 AM
the facebook chatter about your tire pressures is stupid. 


better order 6 more tires if your going to try 17-19psi again 



silly
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 10:12:29 AM
the two hits on the same radial path between the T and O are my bet for the first pinch fail rock to wheel.


seen it 2 dozen times on that car with H2s
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 10:58:13 AM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11755655_10100424674490748_2730027029399608219_n.jpg?oh=940b0a69e92904a5066340da205ec387&oe=5653047D)

The damage I noticed before I washed the tire was the gash in the /

It's the deepest and longest, but no idea which was causal.

I may try 20 again. With the flats I've been having this year, what do I have to lose in experimenting? Right now all I've got left are the 4 on the car and one with a tube in it.

This one is gonna need a tube, I've got 2 others with damage at the bead that'll need tractor patches with massaging and beadlocks to seal.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on July 20, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
Poor H2 wheels
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 11:08:26 AM
feel no sympathy. They're really crap.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: jacel861 on July 20, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
Really wish i had more training and field time in this department.  I'll see if any of my manufacturers have a course in offroad stuff so i can be of more help in the future.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
if my glue and patch stuff would work as it did when i first got it, i could easy fix those 4 leaks. 


something happened to my materials, the last 4 attemps the glue just doesnt seem to be sticking to the rubber anymore.  not sure if shelf life is up or what. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: jacel861 on July 20, 2015, 01:30:34 PM
I'll ask, but i thought the shelf life was pretty good on the glue
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 01:56:24 PM
considering my current needs, I should place an order for similar.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: jacel861 on July 20, 2015, 02:14:52 PM
Smike, my guy says that if it seems  less liquid and more tacky at all, it's most likely gone bad. Definitely a cause for adhesion problems.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
it seems the same.


just doesnt stick to rubber tire.  patches stick the them selves good. though.  Two failure repairs at KOH and 3 failed repairs in the shop before badlands.  Thats not worth my time over paying scott to do it.


Now that i have a power bead breaker i will try again.  i have 3 tires needing repairs. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 02:45:05 PM
Tire parties are the worst.

when should we schedule one?

Should I get some fresh goo and more patches?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 02:47:23 PM
a jug of glue is about the cost of one patch, so yes haha


next week maybe.  next two weeks are going to be hussle time to get my car back in good shape, and then prep for 8/1 KY
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
definitely, I was thinking about that on the way home Saturday night.

If you could use a hand, let me know. Particularly Sunday into next week.

Jared: fresh good and more patches, please! :) Let me know what I need to do to make that happen.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 20, 2015, 03:45:13 PM
You should get 571 ready for KY, using some 35" short course tires would work great on that car and track.  ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 03:49:44 PM
maybe I can do some U4 next year. to be honest, Cali is still not paid for. not doing anything bigger than PA races until it is.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 03:55:55 PM
i have 13 short course 35" tires.  if i also wasn't poor right now, id have ordered up more KMCs to mount some to try at KY
Title: Re: 571
Post by: jacel861 on July 20, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
Is there a club meeting coming up? I could beg borrow and steal to get up there and bring supplies....or just ship them with my other salesman. Lol
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 04:00:41 PM
getting fox parts will be the biggest hurtle right now for 572.  my back up plan is pull eyes from the rear 16's for the fronts and put the profenders back on the rear.  would rather pay express fees than do that though.  Poly guys seem cool and might ship today.  (working through their web chat)



all else i can do.  blew yesterday resting my neck and shoulder that were still hurting from the impact.  that is pretty good today at least. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 04:17:30 PM
Good on the soft tissue.

Shafts look OK, just eyes? Bumps and steering looked OK at a glance.

Probably would be a good idea to change that ujoint and its ubolts, and make sure the yokes are both still good.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 04:22:43 PM
i have new axle yokes and drive shafts on the trailer shelf that will get replaced.


Looks like both shock shafts are tweeked, maybe they are ok-  the shocks are getting replaced with internal bipass shocks, so i really didnt want to put money in them, but i will keep them as spares now instead of trade them in.
 
Both lower shock eyes are torn
lots of welding and metal to replace and redesign.  the upper axle and truss needs inspection, as does the housing. 

some scratching on the double ended ram from the bump stop contact, but maybe fine. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 05:14:53 PM
Stinks.

on wheels - 17x8.5, 4.5" BS should clear the Artec arms? Or do I need to go 4" BS?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 05:22:18 PM
i dont recall which i have.  unless you have 6 months, you will only get one choice anyway which i think is the 4.5"


Machinewave is the Pirate user i got my last set from- looks like my PMs are purged though. 


Tell him to make sure they are all the thick new rock rings and leave out the stupid Inner air 2nd valve stems that are useless
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 05:25:53 PM
that inner valvestem hole is in the right place to run tubes in my 1-2 trashed 100% tread tires. One has a million holes, the other is the one I just did, need to patch the bad ones and see what's left and if it's a tube unit or not.

inner air locks at 30+ PSI would also help save from pinch flats on a 20 PSI tire that won't be as easily cut, and will help save that tire from a million holes if it is cut. That's not a fact I'm ignoring with my current tire luck.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
walmart kick balls are an option i tried and failed to find a distributor.  maybe ryan with his overseas connections can get a bunch of them if we got the right size ect? 


tire balls seems like a way over priced market with only one company..... Ryan- LIFETIME BALLS!  make it happen!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 06:21:55 PM
I'm sure a lot of the high cost is due to the needed funny shape. kidney shapes will nest, spheres won't. the spheres may still be better than nothing, but nowhere near as good as kidneys.

inner air locks are pretty pricey, but compared to the cost of shredding a brand new tire?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 06:45:21 PM
  they dont nest at all, they are completely randomly packed in.  the pictures on the website are pretty but in reality they dont run like that at all.


 shannons tires we took apart looked like a gob stopper inside
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 06:51:10 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 06:58:21 PM
i think 6-9" smooth walmart bounce balls would be the best.  will have to make another lift tool to hold down a bead lock ring but should be doable. 


im all for a farm truck tire ball. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
no racer discount for me from Scott for the wheels or inner airlocks. at least he was super fast to respond, I guess
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 07:03:14 PM
scott?


i was 265 a KMC last time shipped.  i have owned 11 of them and broken 2 both my faul.  loose lug nuts and many mile flat driving. 


Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 20, 2015, 07:04:42 PM
Machinewave is Scott at sunfireoffroad.com

285 now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 21, 2015, 09:45:59 AM
Shipped


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 22, 2015, 11:20:59 AM
UPS tracking for my 7 packages is confusing, but the lot appears to be due tomorrow except maybe one on Friday.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 24, 2015, 09:03:28 AM
Got em all last night. Glad I was home to help ups guy, he was having a long day since he didn't make it to me until about 18:00. He figured he wouldn't be having a drink till 21:00...

Lowboy work almost done, going to have to take a half day to finish this afternoon. The need to redeck continues to become more obvious.

May get to touch these next week?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2015, 11:35:46 AM
boo we missed this

http://rc4x4.org/rcforum/index.php/topic,23637.0.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 28, 2015, 11:58:28 AM
I saw and didn’t jump. Eh


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 11, 2015, 12:29:23 AM
Almost done with tires. Innerairlocks were not nearly as bad to assemble as I feared.

Wish my wheels had been drilled for the second valve stem. That’ll probably piss me off until I drill and tap for it. Would be really exposed though.

I’m filling the 4 with liners to 5/18 then 30/??. Hoping it ends up at 20 or so.

2 beadlocked spares currently at 22.

One spare needs vulc work and is staying unmounted.
One spare is tubed on H2 and staying that way for now. I think its at 30.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 14, 2015, 11:09:20 AM
Short list remaining:
top locks and harder spacers on steering heims
air channel to get around the innerairlocks so I can check/set tire pressure
reinstall intercom
top off front gear oil, or maybe tear it down and put standard seals in it since the new style didn't work out at all.



maybe next week I'll get stuff taken care of on the tow rig? :(
Then there's the trucks to part, and the jetta to assemble. Plates for it Wednesday, along with getting the white Eagle title so I can transfer to the buyer. Fuck PA titles.
patch & paint at my house ongoing too.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 15, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
redid the inner airs with an air channel made from ARB line stuffed into the back side of the valve stem. seems to work VERY well, and gives me much more confidence.

fronts at 23, rears at 20, liners at 35. spares at 26. Let's do this.

3 of 4 tie rod heim joints are shot, that's the play. No loose bolts - though I do need a pair of 7/8 top locks to be sure it stays that way

gonna try and remember to bring my compressor, and remember to double check pressures Friday to see if I have any slow leaks. No patched tires on the car, they are all spares.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2015, 10:49:42 AM
Anyone have 2 spare pairs of 7/8 heims? I should have looked closer at that last week when there was adequate time to order. Probably just have to run em as is.

Need my intercom back.

Debating tearing down the front for axle seals. I think that's about it on the short list. Is the lift available tonight or tomorrow?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2015, 01:17:29 PM
i can check tonight, i think i do, or i have a full set of Tie rods that may be in better shape. 

they may be 7/8 x 3/4 though for my track bars
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2015, 01:18:18 PM
i may need my tire repair stuff back too.  running low on KRTs that hold air :(
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2015, 01:25:44 PM
Copy that. I will plan on heading over with tire stuff and picking up an intercom. Probably not worth bringing the car over?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 16, 2015, 01:36:06 PM
probably not unless something you need help with.  we have a good amount of work left on both cars.  and id like to work on my trailer tomorrow after the CJ is picked up and gone.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2015, 03:50:58 PM
Rr shock seal is blown. Oil dripping

Thats the only other original shock left, still blue resi hose. Everything else is newer, black remote hose.

I want these things gone so badly.

I guess I need to do that seal, and replace the broken shock body, and see what else I have left for parts to make another spare. RF shaft is pretty galled, will destroy seal almost immediately.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2015, 06:17:52 PM
Front: 14” 125 over 16”  ??
Rear: xx over 200 16”

Rear really looks like an 18” 200 over the labeled 16” 200.

Front lowers are larger coil dia than the rear 200s. Maybe 250?

Coil dia:
Front upper: .377 x 11 coils
Front lower: .501 x 13 coils
Rear upper: .433 x 13 coils
Rear lower: .436 x 11 coils

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(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/65cc27cdd77cc22f0acc380292054dc1.jpg)

Rear lower markings:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/1a9500be52ed678408ae24268634677e.jpg)

Front upper marking:
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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2015, 06:25:15 PM
This bump has 65psi in it as-is. I had a note from last race that it may be leaking. Guess so. No wonder it sucked so bad to ride on it.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/d1a718099ad6d7c287098b9f7f0613ec.jpg)

I really need to get a co2 setup here. Feh.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 20, 2015, 07:41:05 PM
nitrogen*
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2015, 07:49:55 PM
Yeah that’d be embarrassing :)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 21, 2015, 06:09:22 PM
Found some formulae, think I have some answers
front: 14" 125 over 16" 250
rear: 16" 150-175 over 14" 200

kinda fucked up. But then so is my front travel, and probably all of the dual rate stops.

If I can get a pair of 16" coils anywhere 220-300 I'll be good for this weekend. Need to call Jeff.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 21, 2015, 10:22:15 PM
if you know one of the springs on the shock, you can math out the rate of the other at any height with a tape
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 21, 2015, 11:46:42 PM
Putting a pair of 300s on the front. Probably will be a bit oversprung, but it’s whats in town to run Saturday. Probably just put it on the fucked shock. Seal is probably wiped out already, or will be on disassembly anyway.

2.5 s before next season, somehow.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 22, 2015, 08:32:29 AM
i have a few left we can look at, but jeff got most of my 2.0 stuff
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 23, 2015, 11:43:08 AM
Got springs from Jeff last night.

Need to pull other front c/o and set both lowers at 300. look closer at shock parts pile and decide between running this one, swapping for last new, or repairing some things from the pile.

Need to check all pressures, probably swap a front bump stop and I’d like to add some oil to the front bumps and maybe look at limiting travel to 2”. They should be stiffer and not screw up my current limited up travel too much.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 23, 2015, 09:20:53 PM
#gitrdone

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 23, 2015, 10:11:13 PM
11” travel being used in front.

4+ up 7- down.

I need to increase front ride height 1-2” and maybe move shock mounts down. I think at least 6” uptravel would be good, and 5 down sounds like too little. So longer shocks or move mounts.

Rears also only have about 5” of shaft showing. I’ve cranked them up twice this year... Boo for sagging springs.

I’m gonna need a taller trailer...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2015, 01:32:51 AM
how about put it back where i raced for 3 years?     :-X
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2015, 07:49:45 AM
It would be nice if it stayed where I put it instead of sagging out an inch or two every couple months.

It’s also way overdue for some suspension parts that don’t fall apart, along with some actual suspension tuning.

I’d prefer to go with better than before.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/misc-stuff-sale/2161386-sway-away-2-5-coilovers-res.html

SAWs are about 3" shorter than Profender or Fox. Would HAVE to redo mounts pretty significantly just to keep the car high enough. Freaking SAW 16s would be a better fit. Damnit, otherwise that would be a good enough deal to just do it.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
keep in mind Profenders use 5/8" bolt, 1.75" width.  that car was set for sway away width (1.5") and drilled out for 5/8"s

Fox use 1/2" bolt on 1.75.  but the misalignments pull out and leave you with 5/8"s bolt.  i just run spacers instead of misalign on 3 ends.  redid the new front chassis mounts to fox. 


forget what SAW are, maybe 9/16" bolt?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2015, 04:28:43 PM
SAW page didn't spec bolt, but I think they were 9/16. I didn't dig.

I've thought a lot about the tab widths. No conclusions. My shock eyes tell me that more misalignment could be good.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
assuming your limit straps are doing their job, your shock eyes would be telling you the current pinion angles was set and shock tabs not adjusted for travel both ways.  should be more than enough room.



that car was set up for 16" SAW air shocks, i went to 14" co to keep the ride height similar 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2015, 05:01:47 PM
decided what you might want from fox- ill have Wayne quote it.  Ill be putting in shortly for some front bipasses.  deciding against internal bipass.  just cant tune them.  going to stuff a 10" tripple bypass behind my 12" CO that will become a coil carrier. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2015, 05:23:40 PM
Proper clearances at static heights assumes bushings have no give, though. And I kill them quickly.

More reasons to build new links as well. I'd forgotten about that for a moment. Always more to do.

Need (4) 2.5x14 remotes w dual rate setups, and will need springs. Never heard anything back from my sponsor application, but never tried to follow up either. $$ hasn't exactly been burning a hole in my pocket.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2015, 05:33:14 PM
i assume factory black series and not the sport blues?    better seals, shafts ect
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2015, 07:22:01 PM
Absolutely


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 07, 2015, 12:44:22 PM
May have a buyer for my 2.0s. Hear anything back on a quote or were you waiting on something more from me?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2015, 12:59:24 PM
Matt chatted with Wayne and got numbers on his car. 

Wayne still wants me to run and internal bipass.  meh
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 07, 2015, 12:59:54 PM
ill give him a call this week.  Probably best to get you on the fox program also.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 07, 2015, 01:01:11 PM
I applied sometime early this year. Never heard a word...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 09, 2015, 12:05:09 AM
Should I take 500 for my existing shocks as is? seems low but doesn’t seem wrong given condition.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 09, 2015, 09:36:25 AM
that seems little low, with springs?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 09, 2015, 09:55:35 AM
no springs. at least 4 springs are scrap anyway, maybe 6.

dual rate stops are gone on many, bodies are beat, seal retainers are completely trashed.

I was thinking it seemed a little low, but not terribly low. It's probably a price I wouldn't fell bad about selling them to someone I know for - which this is (Kevin with the CORR Ranger). I'm not sure I could get 6-700 open market for them with good pictures and honest history with 1-2 pending broken bodies.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 09, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Don't forget to add my finders fee!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 21, 2015, 10:39:08 PM
exchange rate probably killed that deal, too much CAD to him to make it worth my while before I have replacements paid for.

speaking of, if I cannot go direct through the race program, I got a quote from Accuride today right around 3600 all said and done springs and all with some serious tuning knowhow behind it.  I think that's about what I expected.  I'm sure I'll have as much luck with a PAC sponsorship as I did hearing anything back from Fox so I'm sure I'll be paying full boat on everything anyway. c'mon tire buyers and Eagle lookie loos!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 21, 2015, 11:59:15 PM
matt is at $4500 i think 3.0 bipass/2.0 co rear  and 2.5 bipass 2.0 co   no springs with 30% fOX program


my 2.5s with DSC were 1400 front 1700 rear no springs
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 27, 2015, 04:20:02 PM

I'm trying to decide whether I buy shocks now-ish or in early spring. Probably not much chance for tuning before next spring and not much point in spending the money sooner than later. Aligning axles, adjusting/rebuilding shock mounts, and installing rear bumps are a MUST along with the shocks. Good enough has given me a year of broken shocks, it's getting done right.

Along with shocks & axle alignment, I would like to get my links all reconfigured to aluminum and to delete the bushings at the chassis, make sure everything is square and true and schrong, build new shock mounts around the new shocks with proper spacing and angles and such, and get rear bumps and a rear swaybar in so I don't kill these things. Other than that, some additional siren controls and tie-in and radiator mounting are on the short list. Not sure about rearend/tire carrier/bumper changes because I don't know what I want to do; I still want to rewire too, that's a big bite and probably at the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 11, 2015, 04:03:39 PM
offering him 2400 shipped for these if the rubber coil cup keepers aren't smashed from bottoming. I found the bouncer these were run on, and there are no bump stops or limit straps. The winch hooked for suckdown up front, and a center limit chain in back. Rates should be damn close if not right on for me.

http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=43823.0

first time I've seen what I'm actually looking for listed for sale.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 11, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
make sure they are factory series  not performance series. 


Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 11, 2015, 04:17:22 PM
shit, were the old ones black? I thought blue was old or performance and black was factory?

Thank you.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 11, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
2400 sounds high for used even with springs and no DSC


I think black new is factory, not sure about old
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 11, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
check your mail
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 11, 2015, 04:25:06 PM
eyes and remotes indicate Factory Series.
http://accutuneoffroad.com/articles/fox-2-5-factory-series-vs-2-5-performance-series/

I'd been looking at $3600 for new. I just got your email though...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 11, 2015, 04:27:09 PM
steel jam nuts and better wear bands worth gold
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 11, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
without a doubt. what's left of my dual rate stops confirm that.

ill give him a call this week.  Probably best to get you on the fox program also.

did you chat with Wayne yet about that?

depending on what I can find for springs, that's somewhere between much better and wildly better than the 3600 out the door I've been comparing to.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 19, 2015, 10:57:24 PM
No, right?
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=43191

Interesting that Wayne is asking about the seals.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 20, 2015, 12:31:41 AM
fox techs usually hand etch in the valving on the lower seal wiper
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 21, 2016, 08:59:36 PM
Put together a list today. No toter or other new toys this year (brolite exempt…), car deserves too much.

Want to order shocks soon, like this week soon, hopefully.

I still have never heard from Fox on my application from last year. Know who I should pester? Should I just order through one of you?
Any issues with getting things set up for my car if it's bought that way?
Need: relatively exact sprung weights F&R and motion ratios OR free lengths, spring rates, preload and ride height lengths. I don't think I have all 4 spring rates, just 3. Should be able to measure the rate with a scale against the wall and my dumbass vice setup, right?


Ryan - do you still have a wholesale at ruffstuff to get stocked up on heims?


Any eBay vendor in particular I should look at for link material? I need to check my current sizes and clearances and lengths, I think it's my front uppers that are bent for clearance, but the frame side mounts might be able to move enough to be able to go straight. I don't recall if my uppers are 1.75 or 2" currently.

I'd like to match Matt's sizing with 2" upper and 2.375 lowers all around if that will clear. Seems right. 1.25" heims x16. I don't see a reason for 1.25 on the uppers - other than 1" don't seem to exist, and 7/8 seems too small.


Rear bumps, and whatever it takes to properly place them.


Rear swaybar - probably similar setup to smike's with long arms, though below the chassis.


Replace rear spare mount & bumper. Probably end up going high with the tire and use the first generation tail lights. Probably not bother running a spare for racing with the liners unless I start getting flats.


Unfuck front driveshaft, I think I have the parts for that in my shaft pile now. Not certain.
New ujoints in rear shaft.
tighten lacing on driver seat
tweak steering wheel further down
fresh hood without as many holes for things that aren't there anymore
I'll wait to plate the subframe tubing until I'm U4 banded. Going to be hard enough to hit 4400#. Kinda worried about that with gaining shock weight. Pre-KOH '15 weight was 4460 with I-don't-recall how much fuel and no tools/spares at all. Might have to do lightweight hubs/brakes to make it without pulling real parts.

Target: shakedown weekend of 4/9

Chances for begging some [significant] shop time?
- shocks/sprung weight measurement? Probably can do here without too much trouble.
- links
- link mounts
- shock mounts
- driveshaft shit?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 21, 2016, 09:32:36 PM
Chris Cabrera is our Fox contact.  less busy than Wayne and likes us.  Im also working on spec'd some 12" bipasses for my front.  we can do an order together.  what are your hardware plans? just more 2.5's with pacs? 

Ryans dealer account still works on ruffstuff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Dia-x-36-Long-7075-T651-Aluminum-Round-Bar-2-7075-T651-Aluminum-Rod-/200481627072?hash=item2eada2dbc0:m:mT9ze5dxHvMh6asPTkiWNCw 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7075-T651-Aluminum-Round-Bar-2-3-8-Dia-x-36-Long-2-375-Dia-7075-Aluminum-/200660508456?hash=item2eb84c5f28:m:mrywzSZiWmIe2qEyfbmKqhw 

your front uppers are 1.75x250 DOM and are bent for clearance when the LS got swapped in

fox bumps are about 350 a pair, i have new 2" strokes on the shelf that didnt fit on my car FYI

both our cars have never been weighed.  get banded at KY or any other regional race.   KOH staff flys in.... scales are heavy and never brought.... they wont not let you race if you show up. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 21, 2016, 09:40:40 PM
just sent chris a heads up. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on February 21, 2016, 09:47:12 PM
Smike can order from ruff stuff with my account,  or send you login details. I think he uses it more than I do.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 21, 2016, 09:53:35 PM
pull your rear coils, measure free length, thow a cinder block on them, measure compressed length.  weigh cinder block with bathroom scale.

F=kx
lbs=spring rate*distance

i swear the rear got swapped to 150/150

if you can read one of the numbers upper or lower, you can calculate the other spring also while its on the car also
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 22, 2016, 11:12:36 AM
doesn't Chris just work for Alltech? Not sure what the relation is between Fox and Alltech with Wayne working for both...

I guess I'll shoot him an email and see what he has to say. Thanks for giving him the heads up
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2016, 11:25:24 AM
wayne owns altech and is contracted 100% by fox

Chris is the president of Altech.  Not sure how things are aligned.     

I talked to chris on FB last night about both our cars.  Plan to call him tonight or tomorrow.  I cant find details on the Fox bipass air shocks.  it actually looks like you buy a bipass and an air shock, swap parts to make a bipass air and a smoothy to sell lol. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 22, 2016, 11:56:06 AM
sounds good. I'm gonna work on swapping shit around to get the ranger in the trailer and the car in the garage. doubt I'll get to weights tonight.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
i have a fancy new spring compressor to try out!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 22, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
I ate stew and stayed out of the cold. Not a good start...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2016, 10:37:03 PM
pjs and adult beverage #2 after a buffalo trip in the jeep to see the new nephew.  jetta gone today also. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 01, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
Finally got to the easy measuring last night. Still need to pull shocks and measure preload/free lengths and confirm rate on rear uppers (and maybe the rest just since they're old and whooped?)

Appears to be no issue to move the frame side of the front uppers outside the rail for better motor clearance to allow a straight 2" link. Will increase triangulation of the uppers quite a bit, I should probably make up some numbers (I didn't measure them all) to throw into a calculator and see what that actually changes. Will need to be well-mocked up to be sure the link stays out of the frame before the kick up to the motor mount, s.o.p.

front shocks are wasting a full 2.5"+ of travel. Just under 7" of shaft showing, and it's resting on the 4" bumps. I should either move the upper mounts down, or go to 16s. which of course is what the car was originally built with. Nobody seems to run 16s on a standard issue rock donkey, I'm sure there are reasons? Wonder what your thoughts are on that matter.

BTW I'm right at 72" tall with 7" of shaft showing right now. I should move my spare up to the backpack location to account for that. Tools are right over the shocks so that's easy. Motion ratio is close enough to 1:1 as not to matter - 7˚ from vertical in back and 5˚ in front at current height.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 01, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
I found an aluminum jam nut solution I REALLY like. I don't think 928 and 572 are having any aluminum link/heim joint issues after some serious use, but I think you guys know I like complex solutions to problems that don't exist...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/2151170-jam-nut-alternatives.html

(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/general-4x4-discussion/1908986d1441895879-jam-nut-alternatives-tjtierodends.jpg)
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Lately I have been making stainless rings with an inside taper of 10' against the same tie rod end taper. The stainless ring stands out from the the end of the tie rod maybe 1/8". Then the jam nut sucks the threads down on the TRE's and locks the whole connection. They have never come loose, and I usually clock the TRE's to bind for better control.

I only make one cut in the tie rod and almost all of the TRE is into the tie rod. The stainless ring needs good radius's to not create stress risers in the aluminum. I only use 7075-T6 aluminum. The small inside end of the ring has to meet up with the jam nut.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 01, 2016, 01:20:29 PM
Wouldn't the alum nut gaul on the steel tre or heim?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 01, 2016, 01:31:10 PM
I'm pretty sure all other aluminum links that have been done so far here are just counting in standard jam nuts. My concern is thread play letting them pull out very quickly compared to steel - and inability to tack the jam nuts as mine are now.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 06, 2016, 11:31:49 PM
4 shocks pulled. almost there to enough info to order things.

a pair of 14" Kings used for mockup only with 150/150 showed up on Pirate, heading to check lengths now, I don't think they're enough longer to make up for the length issues up front though.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: matt on March 07, 2016, 12:05:20 PM
What were your lengths for the Profenders?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 07, 2016, 01:11:45 PM
14's are 38" and 16" that i had are 42"
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 07, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
The Kings are essentially the same length. Have to go to 16s up front or change mounts significantly. Nbd.

With shocks pulled my current full-bump lengths are just under 26” up front and a very negotiable 23.75” out back.




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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 07, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Measurements completed

Front 125/300 free length 29.5 full droop 27.75 ride height 20.125 (6.5" shaft/4" uptravel - gotta fix that)
Rear 150/200 free length 29.25 full droop 28.125 ride height 20.625 (6.75" shaft & uptravel)

All measures include 5/8" dual rate slide.

Front shocks angle 5* in 2* back
Rear shocks angle 7* in 7* back


Links c-c
FU 33"
FL 45"
RU 37 7/8"
RL 38 7/8"

2.5" from end to center for 1.25" helm with jam

No thoughts on the alternative jam nuts? Just lock tite  the shit out of it all and call it good?

Do I care about any dimensions for swaybar shit?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2016, 12:30:51 AM
125/300 no way anything i put on the front!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 08:13:53 AM
Old news. Remember I tweaked the shit out of a spring when a shock broke, and swapped in the lightest thing Jeff had sitting around?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 10:20:25 AM
You have taps for 3/4 heim joints for 7075 swaybar links?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: matt on March 08, 2016, 12:00:26 PM
I have 3/4 fine thread taps lf and rt
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2016, 01:54:39 PM
i have 5/8 , 7/8, and 1.25"   LH and RH stuff
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 02:00:29 PM
You running 5/8 or 7/8? I was planning on 3/4 with misalignment to 1/2” bolts.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 02:28:14 PM
And then I regret whatever choice I make after I cannot figure out how to package bump cans back there
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2016, 03:40:21 PM
5/8" heims are used for sway bars and woble stoppers
7/8" heims are used for all steering and track bars
1.25" used for all links

common on 572 and 928
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on March 08, 2016, 04:01:47 PM
5/8" heims are used for sway bars and woble stoppers
7/8" heims are used for all steering and track bars
1.25" used for all links

common on 572 and 928

Same here...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 08, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
Even our LJ has 7/8 steering heims.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 05:26:57 PM
5/8 it is, then!
1" link material, then? 1.125"?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 10:33:40 PM
How much twist are you guys putting on those stock car bars? I’m looking at asking 40* of it at full flex with a 21” arm. That strikes me as a bit much.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2016, 11:05:32 PM
axle or link mounting your links?  40 sounds about max
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 11:12:28 PM
There are a TON of different spline diameters it seems. 7/8, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 2... What did you guys pick? I guess I’m liking 1.25?

I’d really like a bar around 31-33” long but it looks like 37.5 is going to be the most available length.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2016, 11:13:42 PM
Axle mounted. Round aluminum links, no funny business.

Might be able to find a few more inches for link length.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2016, 11:17:41 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/160255304258?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

we have every size from 3/4 to 1 3/8 bar diameters on the shelf  1 1/4 spline dia
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 08, 2016, 11:21:30 PM
search schroeder sway bar arms on ebay

i dont see the 1.25 ones we use. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 12:17:33 AM
There are a few 1.25” sets. I’ll probably mod the longest steel ones I can get. Will look at clearance and layout a bit before I order...

Probably doing the bumps on the arms too pending results of watching the rear flex and thinking on angles. Looking forward to the “I told you so” after that doesn’t work out.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2016, 07:26:44 AM
the way i extended my arms is pretty strong and light, not pretty. 

i remember looking at bump location more than once on that car and there isnt an easy solution.  might try googling twisted customs chassis to see.   there are a few out there similar shorter cars
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 10:33:39 AM
did you do schroeder 49sp or SCP 48sp?
found some good 48sp arms, looking through all the bars now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2016, 02:30:33 PM
i believe ours are all 49 spline.  i was gona mention to be carful of that. 

would be nice to have the same as our two cars like i said we have at least 5 bars on the shelf.  i also have a spare set of new 4130 arms
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 03:13:50 PM
yeah I'm trying to stay consistent on things where it makes sense.

perfect pair of 48sp for $82 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCP-1-1-4-steel-sway-bar-arms-48-spl-l-30-degree-

Looking at $70-80 ea for retail price on new 49sp. interested in parting with your spares if they are straight or 15˚ until more 49s come up on fleabay?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2016, 03:18:32 PM
they were 140$ on ebay and i bought them because they were the last we found lol  they are angled just like ours.  Id rather keep them on the shelf for now. 


i also have the copper fab sway bar arms in a box for you if you want them  they are different size
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 03:36:49 PM
2x 15˚ arms purchased, and bushings for bar.

Mind if I use your spare bars for mockup and size selection?

Not sure if it's the right thought, but I'm thinking that a rate that doesn't quite let it hit full flex in the rear when climbing the RTI ramp forwards is probably good general use/ KOH, and a step or two stiffer for woods racing without rocks.

Can you share the needed info for Ruffstuff? probably ready to push that button tomorrow. Going to wait on onlinemetals to check their prices against Klein. I expect Klein will say I need to buy full sticks of 7075 and I will be ordering from onlinemetals.

Stuff should all be here just in time for me to want to sit on the couch in facial agony next weekend! wooo!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2016, 03:51:24 PM
all places were 700-900$ for a 20' stick of 7075 and 4-6weeks out when i called for 2.5"

I have DOM and grease fittings for bar mounts.  i weld them on and let them tweak with a heavy bead first, so it puts  a little bind or ark on the bar, then its never loose.....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
I grabbed some oilite 1.5 OD 1.25ID, figured I'd split some 2x.25 tube and make clamps for it
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
ruff.
sanity check? some of the 1.25 on there now are good, some could use freshening. Figure I'll sort and keep some spares.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on March 09, 2016, 04:15:01 PM
just an FYI   I have been using Barnes4WD more recently.    Better pricing and free shipping.

http://www.barnes4wd.com/Heat-Treated-Chromoly-125-Heim-Joint-Kit_p_316.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2016, 07:44:29 PM
agree with your list assuming your artec arms have only 5/8" bolts drilled through them? 

after watching a green CJ blow a 5/8" FNL bolt on a full throttle assult to a concrete block and snap, we run 7/8" single shear hardware there
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 09, 2016, 07:45:15 PM
how much angry clearance work is it going to take on your chassis link mounts?  seem to recall they were tight to bushings
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 09, 2016, 11:26:48 PM
Frame side mounts will all need to be redone front uppers are moving anyway.

7/8 stuff is for swaybar. Steering is good and fresh. Not planning on touching it.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2016, 03:31:43 PM
Klien turned around a quote for me in like 15 minutes from emailing them. wow.
$500 to redeck my trailer (plus paint and whatever else).

The do not carry any 7075, only 6061, and only up to 1" rounds.

Decided I'm going to drag out the $$ pain a little and put off ordering link materials until I see how the other more pressing projects work out. Current links are functional as-is if need be.
I figure it'll be at least 3 weekends until the other list is run through, and another weekend to get shocks set. Even that's pretty optimistic between my usual pace and my wisdom teeth.

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2016, 03:56:41 PM
Also, all 4 shocks are supporting 740# each, per spring rates & compression from free length as measured at ride height.
fronts are 5.4˚ from vertical, rears are 9.9˚ from vertical.

Should add 225# to each end for driver and passenger, tools, spares and fluids. I'd bias it towards the rear but I'm moving the spare tire forward. Probably balances it.

Passes the sniff test from what I recall to be something like a 47/53 weight bias considering unsprung differences, and a bit less than 3000 unsprung weight with a 4460# curb weight. 400# rear axle 700# front axle and 600# of tires = 4700. Seems reasonable.

I should email Chris with info?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 10, 2016, 09:10:00 PM
Fawk I talked to Chris tonight for a half hour and completely forgot to talk about your car after being distracted with bipass talk
Title: Re: 571
Post by: matt on March 11, 2016, 12:06:43 PM
Klien turned around a quote for me in like 15 minutes from emailing them. wow.
$500 to redeck my trailer (plus paint and whatever else).

The do not carry any 7075, only 6061, and only up to 1" rounds.

Decided I'm going to drag out the $$ pain a little and put off ordering link materials until I see how the other more pressing projects work out. Current links are functional as-is if need be.
I figure it'll be at least 3 weekends until the other list is run through, and another weekend to get shocks set. Even that's pretty optimistic between my usual pace and my wisdom teeth.

Try Murphy and Nolan for the link material.  Also Admiral
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 11, 2016, 12:18:29 PM
requested quotes, thank you!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
Nolan is where i get everything tube delivered from
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 11, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
Admiral got back to me with a pretty proud quote. haven't looked side by side but the total was at least 25% more.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 11, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
Admiral is comparable on the 2.25", only a full 12' stick of 1.375", and for some weird reason they are 2x+ on the 2.00"

Nothing back from Murphy & Nolan yet.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2016, 04:13:48 PM
our link size is 2 3/8" for lower, 2" for upper
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 12, 2016, 09:13:16 AM
Murphy & Nolan answered late last night.
$900 for trailer decking sheared instead of $500.
Full sticks of 7075 at wild ballpark similar price per foot as onlinemetals.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 13, 2016, 10:08:57 PM
Ordering 2’ of 1 3/8” 7075 tonight. Swaybar mockup looks great, can’t wait to do this.

Are there any spare 2.5” shocks I could test fit in back to check clearances and adjust shock mounts if needed before I burn in arms and mounts?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 13, 2016, 11:02:46 PM
Hey Mike, where did you suggest getting the cork gasket from? was it just over the counter at any local big box?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 13, 2016, 11:24:18 PM
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-9613mrg
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 13, 2016, 11:26:15 PM
emailed Chris with every detail. see what he says...
aluminum ordered.
heims already on the way - but I guess I need a couple more 7/8x7/8 along with steel spacers for the steering.

not an entirely unproductive weekend for working 14+hr.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 14, 2016, 01:20:56 AM
looks like there are (2) 13/16 1.25" schroeder bars up right now. just made an offer on one of them.

can you let me know what's on your shelf?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 14, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
Score. 100 shipped on 109 + 15 shipping was accepted.  13/16 enroute.

Daily BS aside: fuck dst. I hate getting up an hour earlier. I hate time changes.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on March 14, 2016, 09:00:50 AM
I hate time

FIFY
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 14, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
i didnt notice it this time, since i slept in till noon on saturday haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 14, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
I notice it. And hate it as well.
It'll be even worse after a trip to the west.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 16, 2016, 08:21:05 PM
Was going to call chris after dinner. Don’t need to. he emailed while I was eating and I’ve got a quote. Weeeee

Wants some photos. I asked him of what. Probably a Saturday activity.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 16, 2016, 10:01:23 PM
They want photos of Shock Mounts, Locations on axle, and angles


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 17, 2016, 09:37:06 AM
lets get arie to help out on shipping this time and get them on a pallet.  it was crazy shipping cost for matts
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 18, 2016, 08:15:51 AM
what do you need?
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 18, 2016, 09:11:05 AM
Smike would know better than I how their shipping works. I know shit comes from so cal.

Left Chris a vm as I was leaving town, no call back. Oh well. There's always next week. For a little while anyway.

Aluminum showed for steering and sway bar links.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 18, 2016, 09:15:40 AM
should be a 4x4x3' pallet of carfully wrapped shocks from fox. 

Matts shipping was over 500 through ups individually.  figure freight couldnt be more than 250
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 18, 2016, 10:21:34 AM
lmk when and where and when ready..  ill facilitate
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 18, 2016, 11:06:51 AM
Much appreciated


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
Just talked to chris. Shocks finally ordered.

Probably looking at an uncomfortably long lead time. Like 3-4 weeks optimistically. Apparently Fox changed up their inventory and ordering system at year end and its STILL screwed.

Boo. 5.5 weeks to line mountain. 2.5 weeks to what I’d hoped to do for a shakedown. I guess thats shot.

He’ll look at shipping and try to get me some numbers to compare freight but if lead times are as bad as indicated I may pay to not wait the extra couple days. Boo.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on March 22, 2016, 10:04:11 PM
Just talked to chris. Shocks finally ordered.

Probably looking at an uncomfortably long lead time. Like 3-4 weeks optimistically. Apparently Fox changed up their inventory and ordering system at year end and its STILL screwed.

Boo. 5.5 weeks to line mountain. 2.5 weeks to what I’d hoped to do for a shakedown. I guess thats shot.

He’ll look at shipping and try to get me some numbers to compare freight but if lead times are as bad as indicated I may pay to not wait the extra couple days. Boo.


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Many times freight is faster than UPS/FedEx ground, so don't expect that it's always the slowest route.

UPS ground takes 6-7 days to get to California from GA.   Freight would take 3 days or so, from GA.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 23, 2016, 09:43:56 AM
Thinking about trying to improve front clearance.
First things first: adjust front axle position to passenger to get it centered and get the yoke off the skid at full bump.

Then, remove the PS pump and bump stop spacers and see if I can get more stuff if the PS pump is out of the way. I think it's the only clearance issue, along with a sneeze of motor mount trimming.

I think the first pic below is my current mounting, the second doesn't seem far off and might be enough but the width may be an issue. I've also seen a passenger head mounted alternator, with a high power steering pump. I actually like the last option the best though, truck alt mounting with a 4" higher PS pump. All these relocation issues mean swapping to a CBR or TC pump though with a totally different resi setup.

goatbuilt has all these options. decent pictures too - and cheaper than the first fleabay hit I found. https://goatbuilt.com/product-category/products/gm-power-steering-pump-relocation-brackets/


(http://www.wegnerautomotive.com/data1/images/NA_LS3_416wWAK033_DiamondCut_1152x576.jpg)
(http://image.superchevy.com/f/43930952+w640+h426+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0/1305-lsa-accessory-drive-kit-ls7-brackets.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k183/philntx/Misc/updatekwik_accessory_drive_dimensio.jpg)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 24, 2016, 12:55:47 PM
Ram mounts will make contact.

Remove old front lower rad support
Move trans cooler up
Move steering cooler
Trim motor mount “fuck you plate” and maybe add internal gusset (which I think will be in the way for motor removal with trans attached but okay with trans off)

Plasma and lift would be useful...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 24, 2016, 01:13:52 PM
Question is whether to switch from p pump to tc/cbr and have the option to keep driver side alt or to madandate passenger alt and have the option to keep a P pump


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 24, 2016, 05:09:34 PM
okay. decisions made.

P pump is staying and moving up on the driver side. I was really considering moving the alt to the passenger side for visibility... but it would make mounting the PS resi more difficult, and extra expense.

also ordered 11.3ci orbital to improve steering lock-to-lock.

weeeeee

Last thing I'd really like to have handled before the weekend is material in hand for swaybar mounting.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 25, 2016, 01:17:18 PM
Klein closed. No signage up, assuming good Friday.

Motherfucker.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2016, 10:28:41 PM
i almost called to see but then made due with what i had
Title: Re: 571
Post by: CJ on March 26, 2016, 09:58:23 AM
ADS can build you shocks in a week, typically. We had our shipped Next Day Air, which was awesome, but I haven't looked at what it ended up on my UPS invoice.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2016, 10:12:39 PM
Lost a day to moving and cleanup yesterday. Lost half a day to family today. Fail.

Drew myself a picture and measured things after utter failure on frontend alignment today. I think I know what I need to do now. I hope.

Going to take some comp time this week and hopefully get frontend lowered and swaybar done.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: matt on March 28, 2016, 12:03:36 PM
Klein closed. No signage up, assuming good Friday.

Motherfucker.


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This one got me too.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 29, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Goatbuilt brackets and 185cc orbital arrived yesterday.
It was cold and shitty and I finished my taxes.
I also made a sketch and did some measurement on it because I don't know CAD, and I think I figured out what adjustments I need to make to the front links to get the axle where it belongs. Shit breaks my head and I just can't "figure" it. Very frustrating.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 29, 2016, 12:48:47 PM
link adjustment is an advanced mental exercise. 


once you force your self to realize you can adjust 1 link to move the axle 3 different ways, or you can adjust 3 links to move the axle one way- your almost there. 

ill admit, its easier to just put it on the lift and pick one to start to twist and watch what happens haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 29, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
twistable links help too.

I was honestly thinking of removing all links and tweaking the axle to exact position and then adjusting the links to mate it where it is placed.

I might still do that: I'll probably end up running these links for another year; the lowers probably deserve to be flipped; I know I need to do at least 1-2 if not all 4 bushings.

fuck no lift. fuck no heat. fuck needs for open garage doors.
taking time off tomorrow morning, and thursday.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 29, 2016, 01:20:54 PM
twistable links help too.



that guy should be fired!  hhaha forgot about that.  bummer. 

id pull 3 of them, set the 3rd to middle travel,place axle then go from there and re assemble. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 29, 2016, 01:24:41 PM
and honestly, dont get tied up on getting the axle centered and straight- we arent road racing.  functional and biased for clearances to not break things is much more important.


with a much tighter orbital whats your steering cooler situation again?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 29, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
well right now it's shifted to the wrong side for clearances, so double fail :)


I have 3 coolers up front now. one dumb tube & fin, one good tube & fin, one good stacked plate.

I *think* the steering is currently on the dumb tube & fin. I could swap it with the good tube & fin seeing as the trans never gets even close to hot? I will also be looking for a place to mount the spin-on system filter I harvested from the Dakota like you have now. that'll add some capacity - and it will go ahead of the cooler to keep pressures in the cooler as low as possible.

All front coolers need to shuffle around a bit with the increased bump. A radiator hose needs to move too, that's sad. I need to get rid of some coolant. Big box stores take that for recycling?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 29, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
all my coolant used coolant gets dumped directly into the shovels radiator or used as weed killer around the shop   

your too nice!


reminds me, my car currently has no steering cooler plumbed in meh.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 29, 2016, 01:52:33 PM
anybody that sells by law has to take..

if they tell you otherwise they are full of shit
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 29, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
that's what I thought.

I have too many amnimals about to dump shit. also have streams and swamps right nearby so I'm even above digging a hole for it.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 03, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
Fun fact: front bump cans are an inch off from one another side to side.

I need to add half an inch of wheelbase to clear the truss with the pinch bolts. getting closer to progress. Race will be a squeeze. Again. If I even get shocks in time.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 04, 2016, 12:05:43 AM
everything worked fine for me for 3 years :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2016, 11:32:58 PM
New 3 layer Spearco suit is really nice


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 12, 2016, 08:51:12 AM
dont rip out the back getting in and out of the car.... i went through 2 cheap suits, and im on my second sparco jadeII, finally just bought a 3X thats way too big but doesnt rip when i crawl out of the car....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 12, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
my cheap suit lasted 5 years. hopefully the not as cheap suit does as well. has gussets at the back of both arms, zero tightness at full articulation.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 12, 2016, 09:11:01 AM
the belt line in the rear is where i rip them apart
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on April 12, 2016, 12:17:22 PM
There's a cure for that... ;-)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 12, 2016, 12:24:26 PM
I originally bought a sparco suit but apparently European sizes are much smaller than US sizes.
Ended up with the G force for hammers. Went through the same BS with roadracing leathers, Custom suits are the only way to go.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 12, 2016, 12:50:45 PM
this one fits in the gut and croch and overall lengths, but feels like it's got room for moobs and extra room in calves and forearms. I think it'll be good though. It's a shitton softer than my cheap suit even brand new.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 16, 2016, 10:56:23 PM
Decent progress. 2.2” or so more uptravel in front than ever.

Need to mount coolers, check clearance at articulation, mount steering resi.

Swaybar and rear bump fab is the next big set of stuff and will probably be the only other big change accomplished.

Need to order and make new front upper links and mounts too.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 18, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
are you guys running 1.25x1.25 on both uppers and lowers?
I currently have smaller joints on my uppers (matched the johnny joints I replaced). I don't see a reason to run anything bigger. I'm pretty sure they're 1" thread, I don't think there are taps for that in play right now?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 18, 2016, 04:36:51 PM
all 1.25 heims.


i dont have 1" tooling.   i do have 1"  4 lefts and 4 rights (minus what has been lost in a couple years) new bungs, not sure what tube size. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 18, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
pair of taps probably runs $75-100? I wouldn't have a fucking clue what to buy.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 20, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160420/12962bf04f5bbe3809c0a4cd61114836.jpg)

Booo


Gonna try to get something done on this tonight and see how my back feels about it.

At least need to do something about upper links since there is both lead time on materials and necessity.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 20, 2016, 08:04:24 PM
This really sucks Brother. I'm sorry to hear you still have nothing in hand. If your at all  interested, we would like to try and help.
Send cora your order info and we can at least get you a quote and a guaranteed delivery date from ADS.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 20, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
I think at a week out, there's no point. I should button up what needs it, and move on to the bro for a race that I'll probably miss due to having to work.

pick this up - hopefully with shocks in hand - AFTER Rolling W, and be ready for the 6/4 race. all the while cursing Fox for missing the one opportunity to race at Rausch this year. I'm pretty pissed about this, and it REALLY concerns me for availability of parts when I have issues down the road.

Thing is, I know Fox are the best of the best and I'm sick and tired of shock issues. They have the hardest strongest shafts, run the best seals, etc. No idea on body strength (which is where my issues have been until now) but I'm still pretty settled.



Maybe ADS could do something for a set of Bro shocks though? 8" and 10" 2.5 smoothies? I was planning to give Fox my money there too but at this rate I wouldn't have shocks until August without an order in place already.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 20, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
at least a day later than intended, but I ordered link material and joints. probably sit on it now but if something changes at least I have the parts. I think it'll be a monday ETA since I didn't expedite shipping, so no weekend lathing requests I don't think.

stupid.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 21, 2016, 02:18:24 AM
drop your ranger off at m4 with some parts in it.   im sure matt would work the bugs out of it for you if you cant make the first race  :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 21, 2016, 08:05:16 AM

We are running ADS 2.5 10" & 12"



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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2016, 03:49:18 PM
ADS shocks under construction. Shipping Monday via 2 day. Aluminum for front links arrives Monday. Need to check tracking on RuffStuff. I expect hiems Tuesday I think

Smike, are you up for some lathing Monday?

Belt and tensioner in hand. Thank you aire

Gonna wrap up accessories and coolers, then look at shock mount and front upper link mount changes.

Goal for monday is to be lacking shocks, front upper links and swaybar links and maybe tie rods, and be in need of charging bump stops with N2.

Need to hit tsc for 1/2 and 3/4 hardware.

Last minute motorsports :-/


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2016, 03:52:17 PM
your nuts

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
so you're not up for lathing?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 22, 2016, 05:24:25 PM
lathe is good to go- you have your 1" tooling you need or whatever?  Happy to instruct, it requires arms and good back though for 1.25"  lol  it will power thread 7/8 or 5/8" easy though

like i said i have taps and bits for 5/8, 7/8 and 1.25"  LH and RH

Matts car needs to get loaded this weekend after the front shaft carrier bearing situation gets rebuilt tonight.  I wont be in the shop sunday or tuesday, rolling at noon on wed. 

monday night ill be around. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 22, 2016, 05:27:53 PM
went with 1.25 all around.
should be good for some instruction on monday.

Thank you!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 24, 2016, 11:39:33 PM
Steering and accessories all wrapped up.

Think I flipped a port on the orbital, can’t turn left. Pretty sure I swapped return and left. Every time I touch those hoses I mix them up!

Taking 3-4 days off this week to put a bow on it.

I’ll see you tomorrow night for some lathe lessons.  I probably won’t bring the car if it’s raining. Depends how far I on other items tomorrow too.

Have a few line routing and mount welding cleanup items on trans coolers, finishing steering, a truss trim, swaybar everything, shock mount adjustments, and a hood adjustment. May make a new one if I have time - steering resi is much too high with the higher pump to clear.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2016, 01:52:47 PM
1.5 turns lock to lock with crap ackerman
Or
2.2 turns with factory ackerman?

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160425/6a529fbd8d2d369c9afbee66572ae236.jpg)

I was going to makea note of previous setup lock to lock, I think it was 2.5? Probably is somewhere earlier in the thread.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2016, 02:34:44 PM
fancy roadracing angles are not important in your application

1.5 seems tight and will build a lot of heat in your system racing, and will be worse than mine crawling with stock pump.   2.2 is slow. 


i dont know haha



aluminum come in? still planing on coming over tonight (at a decent hour)?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2016, 02:44:58 PM
Ackerman still makes a difference in how badly it’ll push even when spooled.

I’d prefer around 1.8 turns. I think I’ll be wishing for more pump flow either way. Feels a little sluggish at idle.

Alu came in a few hours ago. Final lengths assessed for all but one place.  Debating fastenal now or weds for more 3/4 bolts. Not happy with threading lengths on the 12” bolt, need a hard spacer under the 3/4“ joint and cannot use a nut - not enough thread. Have anything 3/4 ID? I would have to grind down washers, don’t have anything else I’d trust to be hard

I did have spacers under the 7/8 bolts. I see no marks from heims bottoming on the arms. I think it may have just been lack of top locks plus old heims.

I hear a mail truck. Heim joints ho!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
i have a stick of  3/8" wall DOM i cut steering spacers out of.  our cars are 7/8" x 3/4 heims on the single shear arm end though.  the DOM is 7/8" ID
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2016, 04:24:44 PM
sorry 7/8x7/8 on the single shear end, 7/8" x 3/4" at the ram clevis*
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 26, 2016, 12:27:37 AM
New front link set completed! Wooo what a lot of work. roughly 1hr per link.

List is getting shorter.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: GBR928 on April 26, 2016, 12:08:37 PM
drop your ranger off at m4 with some parts in it.   im sure matt would work the bugs out of it for you if you cant make the first race  :)

I second this notion  8)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on April 26, 2016, 07:34:35 PM
New front link set completed! Wooo what a lot of work. roughly 1hr per link.

List is getting shorter.


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you go with 2-3/8" lowers?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 26, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
2" upper, 2.25" lower


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Thought I needed a quick battery terminal cleaning. Ended up disassembling and cleaning both posts, hot post, then still chasing voltage drops of 2 or 10 Volts. All well as soon as I r&r main shutoff. Bringing the spare but I think it may have had some dirt between the contacts that I jarred. Can't get it to fail again.

Effective and enjoyable 2hr start to today's festivities!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
Arrival.

Bling fuckin BLING.

Also: 5/8 with reducing misalignment. HOURS saved! Whew!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: CJ on April 27, 2016, 07:11:57 PM
Post that up on FB and tag those guys  8)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
Long day ahead today.

Finish weld remote resi mounts. Configuring and placing those took a while!
Frame side front link mounts
Rear swaybar mounts, arms, links
Rear bump cans. Plan finalized.
Front Pinion seal
Oil change
Steering bolts. Leaving tie rods for now. Hope to prerun both configurations and see how they feel.
Assemble springs on shocks. ADS sliders are really embarassing. Fix arrives today.
Modify hood to clear shock resis


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2016, 04:52:14 PM
Must Do:
front gearset (?)
fix rear suckdown
new master kill switch

Want Do:
front driveshaft
front lower links
traction tread on brake pedal
heel cup for accelerator
rear upper links delete bushings (use front upper 1" heims in existing links)
hood
heavier swaybar?

Maybe next:
fresh tins
dzues fasteners
rear lower link bushing delete
more siren wiring
other rewiring
interior tin work
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2016, 05:15:49 PM
Lots of swaybars up right now. several 2", a 1.5, several between 1 3/16 and 1 1/4...
should hit the RTI ramp with/without to see what difference it makes, and to check front spring cup clearance.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 02, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
those ball pushy things timmy posted on FB look way better than dzeuce

front gear set- check your spool is a 4.10 and down, or 4.56 and up like ours that uses:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mgr-d60-538
they list an SVL gear set for 165 i had not tried.  also motive gear avail though advance with 30% coupon

master disconnect- i believe this is the unit in our 3 cars:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-74102/overview/ 

front 2" 1350 slip yoke
http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/p4505_dana_spicer_3_3_2591kx_slip_yoke_1350_series_.html

stub
http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/p4504_dana_spicer_2_40_1701_spline_fits_2.0_inch_.120_wall_tubing_.html

1350 joints http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/p4507_dana_spicer_5_178x_greaseable_u_joint_1350_series_.html



if you looking to rebuild all the front shaft, get rid of that superduty flange and CV just go to 2" bearing 4 bolt bearing / yokes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4-Bolt-Flange-Bearing-UCF210-32-UCF210-/291490103045?hash=item43de29ff05:g:xtwAAOSwqu9VFDdA

(3) http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/p2153_neapco_n3r_28_1757__weld_yoke_gm_3r_series_to_fit_2_inch_.12.html
matts front shafts are 2" .120 wall DOM with 1.75" .250 wall DOM slid inside

could also keep / replace the saddle bearing, add a safty strap like my car has. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Deserves safety strap. don't recall if it's currently a good fit or a poor fit up top above the flange. I shouldn't need to buy any shaft parts, have a wide selection of good parts including brand new never used 1350 stuff from the dakota rear shaft. it's just the bottom slip I'm worried about. it's so floppy!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2016, 05:48:09 PM
I run the deep gear spool STR-D1548

the USA Standard gears I bought last time current pricing is $242 from Summit and ship end of May. Your link for Motive are $210 and ship today. Even better if there's a good coupon somewhere.

I will pull a cover and confirm before ordering.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2016, 05:57:37 PM
those ball pushy things timmy posted on FB look way better than dzeuce

interested. can't find looking through his page though. any idea how long ago? I scrolled back into Easter Jeep stuff and didn't see anything
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 02, 2016, 06:04:00 PM
maybe it wasnt Timmy

Quik Latch Distribution

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2016, 06:09:39 PM
I’ve spent A LOT of money on this thing in the last couple months but $27ea is too much for body panel fasteners.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 04, 2016, 06:04:11 PM
These are amazing.
Pricy but worth it for the right application.
Thanks for sharing Smike

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 05, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
Brian just returned my call from last week - he suggests 200-225psi fully extended for racing. Can go down to 150psi at ride height for trail riding.

I know I set them at 200, don’t recall for certain if that was at full extension or not.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
i believe Wayne recommendation was 250psi for shit dirty oil, 200psi in new foxs
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 17, 2016, 01:53:40 PM
 Note to self:
frame width 30”


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 18, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160518/cf300fe587a0de1a7e0684d349a8d681.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160518/e93df3e6f6a49473a636df462c754f78.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 18, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
ooof coast and drive wear marks look way out


pinion looks too deep and too much backlash
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 18, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
100% setup bearings in there too. What the fuck did I do?!

Dont have the bearings I think I did either.

So: looking for a install kit. F.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 18, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
Install kit obtained; credit: Arie/ NuWay. Awesome!

Waiting on some medium speed foods (certainly not fast at this point) up by Carter now. Probably work through the meeting and maybe get the gears wrapped up.

Flatted a trailer tire on a curb cut for a drain grate outside Spencer’s shop. Awesome.

Sounded like a gunshot. Half surprised I didnt see rpd cruise by after.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 18, 2016, 06:13:41 PM
ya 19.5's sound awesome when they blow.  bummer. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 18, 2016, 06:22:10 PM
15” LR E thankfully. At least a cheaper F up.

Ring gear mounted up. Time for details. Enjoy the meeting! Kim’s cage painting on the bro :)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 24, 2016, 02:26:27 PM
2 replacement wheels and 2 more innerairlocks ordered so I'll have 6 & 6 now.

tires are NOT yet flat.

I expect the wheels to crack if we try to straighten them. I think the only way worth trying would be with some constructed dies in a large shop press. Thoughts? or just scrap em?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 24, 2016, 02:27:47 PM
i havent tried heat yet



bottle jack with plates no good, hammer no good
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 24, 2016, 02:30:17 PM
I was thinking about heat as I typed that. First thought is it seems like that would be bad.

how big a bottle jack? I'd figure a 20t inside the wheel ought to be able to stretch it right out and rip it apart. That would be easier than dies in a shop press
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 24, 2016, 02:33:14 PM
not sure how short my 20t air-over goes, but a curved section with a flat base for the base of the jack to sit on and spread across 20-30% of the wheel, and a rounded dolly for the business end should get some motion in the right spots. Doesn't have to be perfect, just good enough. Not much to lose other than fingers
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 24, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
i have at least one wheel thats punched though to try methods on- it may have a tire still on it.  not sure if the other wheel is around
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 31, 2016, 10:46:24 AM
new wheels have not shipped. fail on me for just going back to previous vendor and pushing the button instead of checking stock/fulfillment date.

will swap good innerairlock'd tires to front, run my 2 non-locked spares in the rear. Spare tire will be a tubed shredded tire on an H2. Boo.

didn't touch this thing all weekend. Will take care of tires and trim bump pads, and probably move front lower shock mounts inboard about 0.200" to better clear highsteer arms.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 02, 2016, 09:44:12 AM
Wheels shipped yesterday. No tracking info supplied.

Tires swapped on the right, not yet on the left. Front shock tabs moved in on right, removed only so far on left. Need to fix suck down and swap left tires, thats about it for tonight. might try to do PA wiring but i kinda doubt it.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 03, 2016, 12:23:39 AM
Interesting find:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160603/8ba8722546b2ab371ae09a682bb710f7.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 03, 2016, 07:25:08 AM
weld cracks to the cast common there, been fixed a few times.  the cracks going upward if thats what they are look interesting
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 03, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
Yup. Forward a bit too. Nothing on the front side or that I could see on the bottom


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 10, 2016, 09:26:17 AM
Wheels had been backordered. Sunfire rec'd theirs yesterday in Indiana, so mine could be today, or Monday.
USA-made stubs and CTMs will be here Saturday from East Coast Gear Supply. I was going to go with Nitro joints (they state plainly that their USA-made stubs _will_ break a Spicer joint, no problem, and will only warrant them once for a joint break. Upgraded joints = lifetime warranty) but they actually called me suggesting I go with Yukon Superjoints or CTMs. The Nitros have had issues with galling, and new caps costs as much as a whole joint ($80/cap!). Chose CTMs over Superjoints after seeing Matt's issues with play and squeaking, and since they're supposedly more durable to daily driving duty that we do in long races.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
thos yukon shafts have been through a whole lot of abuse! 

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 10, 2016, 12:19:50 PM
true story!

inners will be the new weak point. assuming the gearset lives a while.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 10, 2016, 01:05:26 PM
i dont think i had ever blew a chromo inner on that car- a couple of stubs and a couple delco joints, but never a spicer joint either
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2016, 09:54:43 AM
crammed all prep into one night. Meaning not much prep. put a passenger seat in, and broke a front shifter putting it on the trailer, so had to clean that up and re-weld. weird it lasted as long as it did and then failed now (poor weld, lasted all the way from redoing the floor and swapping in the new trans way back when)

other CTM and ECGS stub shaft are in the tool bag. hopefully the caliper keeper bolt is happy (bent wheel sheared the head off the left side unit. right side not evaluated)

need to redo my buggy tools since getting the tool cart in the garage, and evaluate what really needs to go with. Random assortment now.

only one spare tire going with, others not reassembled yet.

I checked - had 37 hours on campus so far this week when I got home. It really feels like a lot more than that.

Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2016, 10:42:17 AM
i am on track to see you around 4:15
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Nick on July 01, 2016, 10:44:30 AM
I'm gonna try to get to smikes around 4 that will give me time to unload and disconnect and be ready when you guys roll in
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
see you guys then!
still planning to be done w work at 3. most of my gear is sorted, just need to grab clothes and not much else and throw all of it at the car.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 01, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
Enjoy!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2016, 07:16:58 PM
I think I lost an exhaust valve seal. Suddenly started blowing way more smoke with no other symptoms. Collector gasket on driver side is wet with raw (well, cooked...) oil

Schieße.

Trans also running hot crawling. I forgot what rec wheeling is like. Feels like I’m in high range with I 2:1 doing technical stuff and hard climbs.

Tried and failed to stuff it through the CV notch.

No other issues. Ride seems great. Seems stable not that I’ve cornered hard.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 03, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
Radiator pinhole now too. Booo


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 04, 2016, 04:45:58 PM
- hot trans even after adding another 2qt. It idled empty in park, and tried and failed to go one when empty. Enough to do damage? Fluid in it now is burned. I saw 270+ when crawling and it would not cool quickly. Still held gears fine.

- radiator pinhole in 2nd to bottom row. How best to mount in current position?

- I think I'm still touching one lower front shock eye with the steering arm

- running like shit and blowing blue smoke. Minimal oil usage for the amount of smoke. Need to do compression test. If it has solid compression I need to get a passenger o2 on it, maybe a thermostat to stay in closed loop, and get a scan tool on it to see what else it thinks is wrong.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 04, 2016, 08:13:57 PM
there are five 6.0s on CL right now from 700-1400 in various configurations. No 5.3, at least that include "5.3" in the ad - that seems a useful way to sell one.
didn't dig through cheap trucks.

compression test first....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 05, 2016, 06:38:58 PM
5.3 on my shop floor 400$  happy to entertain helping  you hook an ecm and starter motor to it and fire it where it sits.  I have never herd it run, but it almost ended up in 572.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 05, 2016, 07:17:28 PM
thanks.
I like a complete 2007 truck with 6.0 and a bad trans, wrecked in back for $1400 too, but no way to fetch such things at the moment.

finishing up some family computer support at work now, not looking good for a compression test tonight. dinner plans tomorrow. no radiator ordered yet either. humbug.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 05, 2016, 08:07:50 PM
Where is the truck?  O7 will be dif ecmand dbw throttle I think if you are trying to get something in for line mt
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 06, 2016, 07:47:31 AM
Buffalo area someplace

Harness swap doesnt seem like TOO much extra work but sending out another pcm is definitely an additional delay


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 06, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
If you are swapping engines, you might as well upgrade. Get it ready for Legends class.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 09, 2016, 07:09:21 PM
Compression ok. One low hole at 140. Other 3 in that bank 150  other side 160.

There was a cold hole with a gnarly plug. It’s one of the 150s. I swapped that plug for one of the really pretty plugs on the 160 side after cleaning it up. Now it’s running like a top.

Should have spit tested and pulled that plug last weekend.

Smoke way down. Unknown what fouled the plug though. They are all 2yr old or so. I’d bet even with ok compression that hole may be the source of my oil smoke.

I’ll put fresh fluid and filter on the trans and pretend its ready to race. Evaluate trans temps during the race and decide on preventative rebuild there, unless I see way too much of the good stuff in the pan.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 09, 2016, 07:09:51 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/1768bcc5166da391ed643e5f7e55cf87.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/48d297d27dcadcd85a2b425639895ba8.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 09, 2016, 08:58:05 PM
Trans fluid looks like motor oil. Smells way worse. Dropping pan tomorrow after it drains more fully. Want to minimize mess if dripping. I think the pan clears everything with the skid installed. can’t wait to find out


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 10, 2016, 11:05:14 PM
thats great compression for a 5.3/  matts were all at 120 ish
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
fuck this thing.

you have a radiator part number from the olden days? I forgot to measure as I was restraining myself from lighting it on fire.

need to cut bolts out of the skid to drop it to get the pan out, they won't unthread all the way.
add in air fittings blowing apart half a dozen times and climbing in an out of the trailer and I'm ready to call this weekend already.

wanted to have the pan contents evaluated and the pan back on with a fresh filter ready to fill tonight. instead I'm like 30% done from the only good weather day and I have to do the rest in 90+ degree temps with whatever time work will let me have this week. maybe without my own tow rig. F
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2016, 08:24:59 AM
probably this one?
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-380331/overview/

need to get out at lunch and measure. thought of it twice when it dripped on me laying under it for hours and didn't reember to get a tape on it until I was cursing my way in the door.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2016, 08:37:37 AM
put a AC unit cardboarded into the back door of the trailer haha

sad you dont have a radiator in hand at this point.  pretty sure it was a griffin and like this one, but no idea. 

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/gri-1-26242-x/overview/

should have 1.5 and 1.75 outlets, and its a single pass.

I have a spare new of whats in Matts and My car on the shelf, Matt has a used good one also in his trailer.  they are dual pass (outlets on same side. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: CJ on July 11, 2016, 10:23:23 AM
probably this one?
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-380331/overview/

need to get out at lunch and measure. thought of it twice when it dripped on me laying under it for hours and didn't reember to get a tape on it until I was cursing my way in the door.

My Price:
$134.00

Retail: $159.97;

Estimated Ship Date: Today
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2016, 10:59:19 AM
I didn't know you got a sweet Summit discount.

dual pass would be nice for packaging and standardization, but too much like work to change. I'll probably solder up the holes in this and keep it for a spare.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Nick on July 11, 2016, 11:38:51 AM
I know it is hack and probably not worth it for what you are doing but I have had really good luck jb welding radiators for a semi permanent fix
Title: Re: 571
Post by: CJ on July 11, 2016, 12:32:04 PM
I have a dealer account with Summit, typically saves pennies to decent percentages. Depends on the brands.

Don't want to tread on Arie territory, but if you are placing big Summit orders, shoot me the part numbers and I'll quote it with my price. I can have things drop shipped to you as well.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
cut bolts on the engine skid?

wonder what changed or what im not remembering.  that thing was on and of 3 dozen times when i had the car....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2016, 03:55:32 PM
I've had the engine skid on and off once or twice. damaged threads above the skid somehow, won't back out with my impact. NO idea what could have gotten them there.

exact fit radiator found: www.summitracing.com/parts/gri-1-25272-x/

texted cora. calling Southbend now.
I need a secretary!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 11, 2016, 10:18:59 PM
i should be good to tow down if you have to prioritize working on the car before the tow rig

plan to run the truck to buffalo and back this week to see if the codes appear or not.  then role.  tuner is pulled. 
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 11, 2016, 11:44:22 PM
I don’t want to fuck around with that BS again. Between not having the car here, and having to work until 8-9p all last week, that put me where I am today.

I’m calling it. I’ve killed myself too much with not much to show for it already this year.

I could get it done IF I find someone to weld the bellhousing AND I work every night until 2 AND if nothing else goes wrong - all to most likely melt my transmission and dnf.



Hopefully all three units will be ready for Attica and I’ll hate life less over the next 2 weeks for it.

Then I’ll see if the pound of fines I found in the pan are the last this trans had to offer without wasting 8 hr burning diesel and with less likelihood of destroying a trans core running it until I stop, as I would.


If I had more confidence in the trans running right and cool I’d do it. But I don’t. and I’m tired of killing myself for disappointment.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 12, 2016, 09:09:08 AM
understandable! 
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2016, 10:27:52 AM
Radiator is cursed.

First unit showed up like so:

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/f2850d1908fc5aa0977f57b62b30f45f.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/e6d45c978ba4198576f4eff8a2b2da15.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/c2397864825cfa27408f96f8716ba57e.jpg)

Second unit was due Friday but was mispitched, and spent Friday in Geneva waiting to come back to Henrietta instead of on truck for delivery. Due for monday delivery.

I have incredible luck with shipping, very surprised to have 2 issues on one item.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on July 16, 2016, 10:39:16 AM
not packed very well either
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2016, 10:11:49 PM
I bet #8 plug is fouled again. Ran like crap putting it on the trailer. Intake valve seal? Injector over-flow?

Trans was at 190 on the trails. Seems warm-ish but maybe non fatal? Didnt have space or opportunity to beat on it a all.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on July 24, 2016, 02:00:24 AM
Where's the trans temp sensor is located? And what kind sensor is it?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 24, 2016, 11:01:38 AM
sensor is in a bung on the rear of the steel pan; it's a 2 wire electronic sensor as supplied with my accumeter (?) gauge.

I haven't checked it with a temp gun but I have no reason to suspect it's not reading properly since the cheap fluid was cooked completely after a day of hitting 270+
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 24, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
Re: fouling plug

Initial next steps: let the motor get warm. Thermostat and radiator fan control. Long overdue.

O2 sensors. right now the right bank is missing, and left bank is post-merge and seeing both streams.

Obd2 port to see what else EMS may be unhappy about.

Not sure where pcv comes into the intake - could it favor #8? After eating through another punch bag with power steering ATF I’ve been thinking about better fluid containment after draining the trans. Maybe a pcv catch can could go along with that?

Is there such a thing as a one-way drain valve that can be overcome with 3-5psi? Would be really nice to have an over-flow similar to a radiator cap for all fluids that would let any over-flow drain back. Maybe I could just make what I’m thinking of using minimal pressure radiator caps? Not sure if I might blow other seals in power steering or transmission at 5psi though. I bet that would push past input and output shaft seals.

Meh. I’ll see how my nitrile glove held up instead of the balloon.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 17, 2016, 08:58:38 PM
Pinhole in spin-on power steering filter stopped me for just over 20m.

What an f’d failure!

Put me 10th in class and 28th overall.

Minus 20m would have put me 5th/10th.

Needs:
PS service. New filter probably new pump as pm. Got it HOT bypassing filter and cooler for 2.5 laps

New seats

Horn button on wheel

Kingpin bushings

Vulc left front tire and new inner air lock tube. Two visible slices running last half lap on a flat.

Trans got just over 230 and thats it. Still running on 8 going into the trailer (I cleaned #8 plug Thursday night; totally fouled again)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 17, 2016, 09:03:40 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/32b66f5657c1fd841c70b18ff6aec837.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/caebb1830450db3528c4cf258ad004cd.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/ef392c644f9f3fda67b218bd3574837a.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/0582224b77ad049c08d9af0cc452786a.jpg)

feels damn good to have a decent finish!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M on September 17, 2016, 09:55:50 PM
Awesome!  On the first spreadsheet, you're the only one that is labeled as YAM. What is that?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 18, 2016, 11:13:42 AM
A mistake. I’m a truck not a yamaha.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
fresh steering pump (Matt's #) rock'd

flat tire swapped and unit washed. swapped the pinholed filter but didn't replumb yet - figured I'd wait for the fresh pump. I'd never swapped the filter from the original dakota even though they were in the trailer :( fluid full and looks great.
I think it popped at the site of a crack in the paint and a little rust - still seems damn strange. Not like it's rusty crusty at all.

front diff puking out the cover, made a nice trailer mess. doesn't look cracked but I know I whacked it GOOD a couple times.

tire looks fixable at first glance; need to use the M4 KRT breaker to get it off the wheel. runflat needs some stitching and a tube.

passenger lower link badly bent and rubbing driveshaft. time to install those lowers!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 04, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
Short list of ‘must’s knocked out today.

42s bolted up and aired to 19
USA made stub and ctm installed
Passenger seat installed
Winch switch jurried
Stuffed in the trailer

Tomorrow morning it’s getting the kinked link straightened, front diff filled, and Dennis and I are heading to Attica.

On deck items before Rausch:
Power steering pump r&r
Aluminum front lower links
Rear suckdown winch cable replaced

And finally:
(3) 37s broken down for repair
Proper winch switch
The 97 other things off my old lists


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 05, 2016, 07:03:33 PM
Damn caliper fell off the front today. Not the side that was just done, so I’m very glad it stayed on through the last race!

Bolt still present, key mia.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 06, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
2 hours of power washing, almost all just top and bottom - sides were essentially clean. Just chunks everywhere they can sit or stick. Clean enough to do brakes and links without misery, I hope.

did the tires too, that was probably half the time. bleh! mud sucks - but I have to admit it was kinda fun hogging through that shit dragging those loader tires 8)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on November 06, 2016, 08:14:02 PM
mud sucks - but I have to admit it was kinda fun hogging through that shit dragging those loader tires 8)

Yes that was fun. Im glad no one got hurt.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 06, 2016, 08:37:25 PM
I hope it never got close. I was trying to pay really close attention and wait for an all clear, rear visibility is really limited espc with the saws and stuff onboard.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on November 06, 2016, 09:06:44 PM
It didn't get close to any of us. We pretty much ran away as soon as we hooked up chains lol. Them tires are HEAVY.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 15, 2016, 11:40:42 PM
One tab away from done with FINALLY putting in those alu lower links.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 19, 2016, 07:17:27 PM
No shakedown today

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161120/fd5672ec641f992eeb82cc0a42336174.jpg)

With credit to smike for finding the crack and avoiding a horrible recovery job, and too many thanks to thank to mark for letting me spend probably too much of the day driving the willys it was still an _awesome_ day

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161120/cddc59db5324f298bbd5e2082e56679b.jpg)


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Harrison on November 19, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Both Jeeps inop or Hannah and I both thought hard about coming! Crazy failure.....
Title: Re: 571
Post by: luvmyxj on November 19, 2016, 11:04:43 PM
that thing isnt a flat fender no more
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on November 19, 2016, 11:16:04 PM
mickey's hot tub polished that fender a little bit :) 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on November 19, 2016, 11:17:39 PM
I'm glad I didn't make the other one match!!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 29, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
find that C?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 01, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
inner C found in brolites in storage!  would have never found that if we didnt grab them this weekend lol

C changed on this unit!  solid project!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 01, 2017, 09:59:08 AM
We housed that in like 8 hours.

Not bad for the level of work involved - would have been a lot nicer to start it at noon than the way it worked out.
God, I can't wait for things to dry out. Fuck this rain!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 20, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
Bled the brakes and after doing the front, pedal is great. I don't think I changed the oil yet this season (don't remember if I maybe did it at m4?) otherwise it's ready! Slight drop from trans pan gasket.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 20, 2017, 10:35:44 PM
This is what the leaking lube locker looked like. Cracked the cover again, too. Ignoring since there's no wet spot. Rtv'd interior surface.

Definitely have some gear wear from the tight setup. More metal in the oil than expected. Pattern looks good and no cracking noticed. Didn't recheck backlash while it was open. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/bc1218e28363279b85048466adc95514.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/de703cd5fe84a441d51afa81ab1c9682.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/3b3f1d52382fa5b323321e3aa6894fb4.jpg)
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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 21, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Fuck you, car

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2017, 05:19:45 PM
the solid cover steel welds nice, mine has a diamond plate welded on it now. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 21, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
I didn't look but I'm certain that's not from the crack. Probably got oil on the rtv while I was shuffling the cover on with the coordination of a drunken pos


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 04, 2017, 05:23:05 AM
Loaded in the trailer to work on in the rain after a nap. Power steering pump, radio install, rear suckdown fix is the short list.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 08, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
Fully last minute.

I'll be gathering tools, mounting a spare tire and who knows what else post-arrival.
Hopefully I won't be changing any tires on the way down since it'll be a hand change.

#fail
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 09, 2017, 01:43:04 AM
we got you be tonight FML
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 09, 2017, 02:12:17 AM
We'll compare notes tomorrow, if I make it, and if I don't sleep it into a ditch.

might be done at work in under an hour, maybe...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 11, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
taken out of the race in lap 4 due to an electrical issue. changed a flat tire an couldn't refire when it stalled turning around to reenter the course. about to attempt dragging it out of the trailer to wash, then investigate.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 11, 2017, 07:44:24 PM
Flat doesn't look bad at all, probably just bad enough to deserves a vulc. Maybe 2" gouge, dead center of sidewall.

I put the battery on 40a charge for 15-20m while I hooked it back up and took a phone call. I don't remember if I left the ignition on or not during that time. Voltmeter read ~11.5. Flipped the charger to 'start' and the circuit appeared to go open, load on the charger went away. I was hooked to the battery directly. Car power was still present.

Strong crank & fired immediately. Shut it off and refired no problem.

Sprayed probably 500 gallons of water at it - cleanest I've made it in a LONG time, and freed up the fan I found dead. Fans then spun strong. I shut them off and started it twice.

What the fuck?

White I was considering the fucks it could possibly be, the serpentine belt started to fail. The chipped PS pump pulley finally took its toll. Would not have been enough run time to get me another lap, and I did not have a belt on the car.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 11, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
I'm thinking I have a large resistance that the big charger was able to bridge, and I'm not sure where I'm going to find it.
Initial plan I suppose will be to physically touch everything and look for anything that's loose. Now that it's "fixed" I feel like I'm a bit screwed since voltage drops won't show.

It's certainly not in shape to trust right now...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 13, 2017, 12:54:18 AM
First half a lap
https://youtu.be/uIqNVSQXqs4


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 13, 2017, 01:03:48 AM
Note to self: washer pump run off same switch as muncher to douse the camera lens. I bet that would be perfect in a mud race. Maybe not so hot in a dust race but mud is 90% of what we do.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on June 13, 2017, 12:18:53 PM
First half a lap
https://youtu.be/uIqNVSQXqs4


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cool  i always wondered what the track/race was like.



Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 17, 2017, 08:28:22 PM
Smoke show :(
Sill starting 100%  consistently, but smoke is very bad. No miss. Oil smoke. This is a rev just before I shut it down. Was fresh off a cold start, but still... uugh.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Nick on June 17, 2017, 10:28:19 PM
Sweet smoke screen
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 17, 2017, 11:34:57 PM
sweet vw yard
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 20, 2017, 11:17:14 AM
Without having a chance to shake this thing down this past weekend I guess I'm just going to loosen and tighten all major electrical connections and pretend it's fine.

Hopefully I'll have a chance to put in my camera sprayer idea, and then be ready to run.

I'm codriving at Attica this weekend, have a NC run next weekend followed by seeing Kim's family over the 4th, and hitting Keith's birthday party on the 8th. Not much prep time and no shakedown.

- patch tire
- power steering pump swap
- new belt
- check wiring shit
- new cutoff switch
- radio transmit switch
- swap seat
- fasten tins
- fluid check
- camera sprayer
- tools/spares/fluids on board
- curse jack, impact, codriver situation if I get another flat
- podium
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2017, 08:55:11 PM
Last Minute rolls south in the morning. Heavy gauge wiring battery to hot post is replaced, had 3 rusty ring terminals. All else looked decent.

Was still at 11.8v, unplugging the alternator made zero difference to idle load or voltage so it got replaced.
 12.7 now at full load at idle.

My spare that had been a squeaker was small case (so would change belt length) and seized wile sitting.

Siren had a blown fuse. Finally found it.

Camera squirter set up. Should have full race video if it works. I'll have to figure out how to make that into a story someday instead of just posting 2hr of footage like I did from badlands.

Front tires are both leaking after having checked and set all pressures early in the week. Boo

Spare mounted and strapped. Anything wrong now is a surprise.

Going to roll in the morning unless I'm super energized after a shower.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2017, 08:56:13 PM
Ps pump and pulley is all I didn't do from that last list. And podium. Yet.

Not terrible. For me.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
Wasted effort, kinda. Identical results to last race.

LF flat on i80 on lap 2 of 4, changed it, voltage sitting well under 10v. Tried not to stall it and failed -- needed a jump. Which is exactly when the same neighbor who helped me change my flat last race arrived. Haha

Successfully jumped with no drama at all after helping another racer change a flat, so that's a big change. Sitting at 12.0v after restarting. Hmm...

1 mile or so to electrical smoke from master kill area. Source not identified quickly enough not to kill it, so killed it. No fire.

When I replaced the kill switch I used the small lugs for the charge wire as directions state is possible. I like the idea of being able to kill batt voltage to the charge lug. When assembling I did have a very small arc through my ratchet to a shift lever on one of those lugs.


Findings were that the jumper from the small lug to the battery side cable was the smoke source. 10ga wire lost all insulation. Only damage was a severed wire to muncher+squirter button.

The muncher died right before I got my flat. I haven't checked the fuse yet to see if it blew or if that was the wire melting that killed it.

The ring terminal on the melted wire was loose. The terminal is now loose in the brand new shutoff switch too. I know I put a ratchet to it on assembly yesterday. Root cause is murky on that. Definitely killed the disconnect switch though. The one I replaced is probably fine.

Also found all tie rod heims are shot, and one loose 7/8 bolt on the arm. Need fine thread there, or maybe double shear it.

I stripped the wire coming direct from the alt and jammed it onto the lug on the battery side, and had 13.3 as soon as i got it  started.

Since my race went up in smoke I traded a lot of time helping a busted chop top xj get back to pits. He had a flat, lost his spare, was overheating and needed water, had a fuel problem, was stuck, and lost a rear wheel halfway back. His day may have been worse than mine. Oh, and he peeled the drain plug out of the pan in the last mile or so into start/ finish. Even with a bare wheel I only had to push him 2-3 times. Not a bad driver at all.

Really cool guy. Second race ever, runs the shaved ice trailer there. Has another food truck too. Lives in Coal twshp and rides at aoaa. I guess I have a shaved ice hookup now?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2017, 06:13:49 PM
complaint my shoulders are sharing today: WAY too much feedback in the steering.

everything I was just reading says non-load reactive get really scary at speeds above 60ish. LM sounds like a great place to have a non reactive valve, then!

I could move my tie rods out to the stock location and loose a little steering speed but gain back a lot of mechanical advantage. I wonder if that's worth a shot.

I found nothing about getting less feedback.
I'm also not at all sure how pressure & flow affect it. I still haven't changed my pump. that'll get done soon.

At least it's clean and not on fire.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 24, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
https://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires/Maxxis-37X12-50R17LT-Tire-Trepador-Radial-TL30026000.aspx

retail price on these units is not much more than my best price on the Open Country MT

D vs E, probably a little less sidewall and I'm already killing sidewalls.

Hmm
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 24, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
not sure if the 5 Joe got sitting in my shed are the DOT pattern or look more like mine.  i thought his were pushing 420 a tire
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 24, 2017, 03:15:25 PM
sorry for the broken link, I guess they want all that garbage on there. fuckers.

https://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires/Maxxis-37X12-50R17LT-Tire-Trepador-Radial-TL30026000.aspx?t_c=13&t_s=536&t_pt=101509&t_pn=MXXTL30026000&utm_source=google%2cgoogle&utm_medium=cpc%2ccpc&utm_campaign=shopping&emlprox=out&ppcfon=1&gp=1&scid=scplpMXXTL30026000&sc_intid=MXXTL30026000&gclid=CjwKCAjwtdbLBRALEiwAm8pA5cjGovLd-70vlqu3Sns8rX8JCrmoREpsS86alt86j5WOvC17aYeLBRoCxccQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 25, 2017, 10:53:43 AM
I can get them from Transamerican. Might save a few bucks per tire.

It is the radial, I have them on my YJ. I would rather have the bias, more side lug.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 25, 2017, 11:23:16 AM
Is there a DOT bias? No stickies in 4800. I think dot bias is what Karl just got.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 25, 2017, 10:38:32 PM
Rear Dakota shaft fits the front of 571. Flex tested, larger tube size clears lower link by about 1/4" at right full stuff.

Need to turn down the register on the flange: diameter mismatch.

All parts pulled.

Existing shaft ready for a fresh slip too. CV is perfect.

Pulled the carrier bearing for preventative replacement too. I think it'll get the steel over strap treatment in case of failure if the bolt holes are agreeable and I can get the other set of bolts out to put in longer units to support that. May be a challenge.

Any off the shelf local replacement y'all can think of, or am I going to be overnighting a bearing to make the picnic?

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2017, 10:45:11 PM
is it a 2" bore pillow block with 2 bolts?  cant remember what i used.  if its the same as ours we have 3 or 4 of them im sure here
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2017, 10:49:07 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pillow-Block-Bearings-UCP210-32-NEW-4-pieces/270481879199?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 


these guys

matt changed his to 4 bolt flat flange. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2017, 07:52:41 AM
Similar if not exact. You ever find something that's sealed?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 26, 2017, 08:37:44 AM
if its 2" they are standard sizes just difference in castings for strenght and materials


the tricky part is if the bearing has been bored out or is your shaft ground down.  the 2" DOM is always on the big side 2.015" or so

i can grab a bearing and bring it tonight if it will help.  Matt or I should have one. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2017, 09:47:13 AM
I need to visit your lathe to turn down the register on the flange anyway.

all parts are in the 1.8t trunk.

I also may have that funeral activity this weekend instead of the picnic. I guess he stopped drinking yesterday. Kim headed up this morning.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 26, 2017, 11:35:07 PM
I'll see if I can find the exact right bearing for your stock smike unless you'd rather cash or another model. Thank you very much!

All assembled and back in the trailer before the rain.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 27, 2017, 08:42:39 AM
its on your tab no worries. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 27, 2017, 10:24:26 AM
much obliged!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 27, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
Is there a DOT bias? No stickies in 4800. I think dot bias is what Karl just got.


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The part number is MXXTL30025300

They are a bit more expensive
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 27, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
only retail price a quick search showed me was 525. far cry from my best price 309 for Toyo, but I bet all that extra tread on the sidewalls helps those damn sidewall flats (that are NOT pinches lately) and that would pay for itself pretty quickly when I'm buying a tire per race.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on July 27, 2017, 12:58:10 PM
Price from trans is about $450 per tire. Plus shipping.

Radials are about $300 plus shipping
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on July 27, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
only retail price a quick search showed me was 525. far cry from my best price 309 for Toyo, but I bet all that extra tread on the sidewalls helps those damn sidewall flats (that are NOT pinches lately) and that would pay for itself pretty quickly when I'm buying a tire per race.

What killing your tires? Up the psi to help sidewall to live?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 27, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
lower pressure may help: it's not a pinch. I run innerairlocks and that essentially eliminated the pinch flats, but I'm still getting small slices sometimes.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 14, 2017, 12:06:04 PM
short list fo 7 miler includes kingpin bearing on the left side, sloppy floppy jalopy. I should do but will not do steering heims
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2017, 02:21:39 PM
http://m.autoserviceprofessional.com/article/91874/gm-oil-consumption-and-blue-smoke
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2017, 02:28:51 PM
Step 3 & 4 may apply to your (and Smike) case
https://chevroletforum.com/how-tos/a/chevrolet-silverado-1999-2006-engine-performance-diagnostics-393310
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 06, 2017, 02:31:46 PM
mine has to be ring related- its a smoke show when your wrap the throttle.  reduced smoke and constant low load.  next to nothing at at idle or start up. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 06, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Ditto, and Matts was the same as well as I recall.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
Malfunctioning PCV will do that too.

I have 7mm diameter borescope you can borrow to look through spark plug hole. iPhone or android for viewing & take pics

Don't take me wrong. I'm just trying to give you another perspective and possibly fix the oil burning & fouling spark plugs. It'll be awesome if the actual problem is something simple, cheap and fast fix to get going for now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 06, 2017, 04:48:35 PM
can't see bad rings through a borescope. maybe I'll bother to take a look when I PM it for the 7 miler. I have a scope (the good HF one)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on September 06, 2017, 05:51:38 PM
the good HF one

That made me chuckle  :P
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on September 06, 2017, 08:05:15 PM
Leakdown test?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
Oily piston top do happen, on serious/specific cases though.

At least an attempt to pin point where oil is coming in. Are there any Oil puddling in the intake manifold when looking through the throttle body?

The reason I'm suggesting ways to diagnose the burning oil/blue smoke/fouling spark plugs issues because 3 out of 3 LS-powered ultra4 style buggies among us have/had same problem. Might as well go back to the old school Chevy 350?  ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 06, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
Sound very similar. New updated valve cover fixed it in his case.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/chevy/2261065-2005-6-0-excessive-oil-consumption-pcv-dumping-oil-intake.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on September 06, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
Dosent Arie have a place to get re-man engines form?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 12, 2017, 04:46:25 PM
Might as well go back to the old school Chevy 350?  ;D

I have been though 3 of those too.....

1/2 the HP of any tired  5.3 id never go back :)
 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 14, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Oil change doubled oil pressure to 40ish

Cut smoke but not by a ton.

Two tires cold vulcanized. One had a loooot of holes in it. Hopefully I got them all and hopefully it was worth it and works. They'll be my spares.

Power steering pump is out. Need to install that, do rear link bushings, and mount tires. Fuck tires. Worst part of this "sport!"


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2017, 04:10:23 AM
Tire patch has a big bubble. Inner patch must have failed to fully seal, or I needed to let it sit longer. I'll run it for a spare anyway. Didn't break bead on the other damaged tire to see how the worse tire turned out.

Here are each of them before/ during.


Just landed at line mt. Determined a Last Minute alternate for PM. "Delayed Maintenance". Though "Reactive Maintenance" may also be a good candidate.


Car got all 4 rear link bushings, tightened king pin and wheel bearing on LF (should tear down hub and clean/ replace bearings), patched 2 tires which may have been a waste of nearly a day, new power steering pump and filter, and an oil change with fresh 20-50 and a quart of Lucas, after running a half pint of Sea Foam in the old oil for 5-10m (up to 190F ect) to MAYBE free up any stuck gack. Had some pretty bad ticks before changing oil, and 17-22psi at idle, 190F. New oil has same ticks but at half or less the volume, and 37-42psi at idle, 190F.

I'm not sure I changed the oil at the start of the season. Didn't date the filter that I saw though the mud.

We'll see what I forgot to tighten.

If nothing, we'll see if sea foam helped free up any stuck rings, or otherwise how long before I burn 4qt of oil and need to stop and refill for lack of oil pressure.

Honestly the whole reason I still bothered to come down to race on 4hr sleep (in addition to tire delivery to Bret) is to see if the new steering pump made a difference in effort and feedback. Hoping a fresh pump brings things back to what I remember or if it stays terrible and I need to change geometry when I make new tie rods.

Still not sleepy. Humbug. Peace out!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2017, 04:13:15 AM
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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 20, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Oil just barely showing on very very tip of dipstick, unless that's from the tube and it's not showing at all. Has (slightly reduced) pressure.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 23, 2017, 12:04:35 AM
I took a peek through Smike's old 5.3 throttle body. Oil every where. I still recommend to inspect/eliminate PCV. A catch can probably will well to do that.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2017, 02:25:21 AM
every ls motor i have ever peeked inside of the IAFM is an oily mess, thats how they roll
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 23, 2017, 09:15:40 AM
every ls motor i have ever peeked inside of the IAFM is an oily mess, thats how they roll
Kinda that's the point? Aggressive driving/severe service (aka high rpm romping) aggravate LS's infamous oil consumption issue.

Did you look at your old 5.3's throttle body yet? I clearly saw oil running down into intake from passenger side valve cover. Don't even need to open the throttle blade.

Quick search on pirate 4x4 say to cap passenger side valve cover port and throttle body port and for the PCV there's few options I found;
1) install a catch can and vent to atmosphere & cap the PCV port on top of the intake manifold
2) install filter on driver side PCV port to vent the crankcase and cap the PCV port on top of the intake manifold
3) install a catch can/oil separator between valve cover port and PCV port on top of the intake manifold.

I will do option 1, to keep oil from running into intake for in case a roll over should occur.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on September 23, 2017, 09:23:53 AM
PCV something I need to address in the Willys too
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 23, 2017, 12:32:38 PM
I’m not likely to swap a motor before next use, could be interesting to experiment.

I might need a 4qt catch can though. Maybe less without vacuum on it though.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 03, 2018, 08:30:18 PM
https://rochester.craigslist.org/pts/d/ls6-out-of-03-z06/6441653898.html 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 03, 2018, 08:40:20 PM
And you say 4K for a running truck is unreasonable...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 03, 2018, 10:47:31 PM
real motor

no tear down / part out work

standalone harness included

not 300K miles, but 30K
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 03, 2018, 10:50:47 PM
415-450hp
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 21, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
Idler and tensioner were both shot again. Deleted pcv (both sides existing valve cover fittings to separate slobber tubes. 3 sides & down). Fresh plugs. Need to make sure battery behaves after a night of trickle. Took a few minutes for the alternator to do its thing, not sure why. One fan that has been cranky needed to be freed up for a second or third time. Need to check trans fluid and do tools/tool storage and I think that’s about it.

No immediate decrease in smoke with pcv delete. Doubt it is related at all. Could still help a bit if there’s oil pooled in the intake but I doubt it. I’ll be bringing up the rear.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on January 22, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
those are clean
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on January 22, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
I’ve seen worse. How’s the blow by look like coming out tubes?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 22, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
not as bad as I was hoping. I wanted all the smoke to move there and it didn't!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 22, 2018, 08:10:48 PM
Confirmed dead alternator. Again.

Not sure what I’m doing wrong. I don’t remember where I got this one. Probably have something under warranty from any possible source by now.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on January 22, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
hmm.


i have only killed 1 ls alternator.  cheepies.

Matt runs the higher amp one, i dont. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2018, 12:27:29 AM
I run the large case I think 130a

it gives me voltage after some run time and high revs, but not before. spraying things in it made no difference.

it is getting voltage from the ECU. makes no difference to tickle direct to the single pin. do have good continuity on charge wire through shutoff.

This alt was installed in July give or take. I changed one last year too. And right before Hammers, I have that one in a box marked "squeaks" somewhere as a trail spare.  Either the alt or the (also months-old) power steering pump is squeaking now too. I guess I'll find out when I change it.

humbug. Lost hours to diag because I couldn't believe it, but at least it's only 15-20m to change it.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2018, 12:45:47 AM
14-July 2017. lifetime warranty. carquest reman from advance. $136 well-spent dollars. Last minute, without a doubt.

:(
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2018, 02:01:35 PM
"limited lifetime warranty" means I have 90 days from today of exchange remaining. Not even the remainder of a 1 year from initial purchase.

awesome.

Or so they say in-store, anyway.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2018, 02:05:16 PM
i guess it evens out

Quote
Replacement parts are warranted for 90 days from the date of exchange or the remainder of the warranty period on the original part, whichever is longer.

What is Not Covered
...
Parts installed on vehicles used off-road or for racing purposes.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on January 23, 2018, 02:28:14 PM
umm hello...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2018, 03:28:03 PM
yeah I know. Last Minute happens. I don't have keys yet and they're open much later :-
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 23, 2018, 11:01:15 PM
Ok, problem persists. Any foggy clues? Tickle wire was showing something like 9.5v when battery was at 10.5 last night. New alt doesn’t show 13.7 as soon as I start the car. That’s as far as I got on that. Baffled.

Didn’t open the big door to rev it up and see if it starts producing after som R’s and minutes. Haven’t load tested it. But it sits at 12.0 at idle and at 1500. Digital gauge dvm verified.

I’ll load test it tomorrow I guess. See if I need to dig further or if the ecm just prefers 12 to 13.7.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on January 24, 2018, 10:06:58 AM
You may find this helpful

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/756990-chev-ad-244-alternator-wiring.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: gif on January 24, 2018, 12:25:22 PM
not sure if this what you have,  might be close

this is a link i have used,  i'm surprised its still active...

6 Pages    page 6 has the bench test

https://alternatorparts.com/cs130-sbpage1.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 24, 2018, 12:38:45 PM
might be interesting to test with an idiot light, didn't know there were parallel paths to energize.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 24, 2018, 10:51:38 PM
Chased good grounds all over.

Bad shutoff switch. Secondary charge circuit is intermittent. F me! Would never have found it if it hadn’t made itself worse. I tested continuity on that circuit and measured actual ohms and it was good Monday.

At least it’s found. If only I’d not burned up the last new shutoff switch.


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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 26, 2018, 02:19:44 PM
Second try worse than the first. Patch leaked same as first attempt but filler popped this time. Tire is junk, another  tube unit.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on January 26, 2018, 02:20:58 PM
Correction: third try. I peeled out the second try before even testing. Had a giant internal bubble.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2018, 04:01:31 PM
Engine swap or rebuild?

Cam, heads, bearings, rings and a dingleball hone? Seems like too much of a shortcut if putting money into it. Probably deserves .020 over and pistons. LS like to slap but it is an iron block. That’s 1500-2000 in parts and machining isn’t it?

Rebuild 4 bumpstops

Make it have 2 O2 sensors

Check injectors

Driveshafts

Rear link redo just like the front from last year

Freshen trans and fix spare trans. Behaves perfectly (would like to add compression braking in all gears) except for a leak leading to low fluid after sitting.

2 more 37” Toyos due to cost vs. replacing all with another tire


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on February 15, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
I say find a good used take-out motor if it’s just a basic rebuild for that kind of money.

Performance build, use the existing motor in the buggy if it’s not too whopped out, or find at least a good core to build to avoid machining cost.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2018, 05:27:22 PM
I’m talking heads and cam. Assumptions are safe to make.

My compression is low but even as of September. 120-130 iirc. Dry numbers.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 16, 2018, 04:15:02 PM
looks like prob 3500 in parts plus whatever machining is needed to have a descent 5.3, assuming short block is good? or similar money for a tired 200k newer tech motor, or a fresher low mile older motor.

ignoring the 6 speed advantage of the newer whole truck with tired motor option, I kinda like the rebuild-existing option.

this counts on my loose 205 issues being all bearings and no hard parts too.

time feels short on this already.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 19, 2018, 11:36:45 AM
bumpstop rebuild parts ordered. asked brian what oil is in my shocks, I plan to just match that for stock.

pricing tire options. looks like I could get (6) bias non-comp treps for right around $3k. I don't think that's in the cards especially with engine whatevers, so I'm hunting best price on (2) matching Toyos. Should be around $750 shipped, probably from Goforth.

Didn't accomplish anything this weekend other than getting the DD VW running (swapped fuel pump from parts car) so I'm not even close to pulling driveline out of the car.

I missed "rebuild 205" on the earlier list, but that's needed. rear output moves around an awful lot.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on February 22, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
our convo about motors.


everything we have would bolt on to this, plus a new tune from Brendan


https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpe-hp93 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 22, 2018, 10:07:30 PM
you talk to Brendan about anything that he's got yet?
that's some money.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on February 28, 2018, 05:30:15 PM
anyone care to shoot a few lowball offers this way before I contact?
https://rochester.craigslist.org/pts/d/60-ls-motor/6463084987.html
there are two others I'm inquiring on as well.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 01, 2018, 09:48:03 AM
done..

"Would you take $500.. I can pick up today CASH"
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 01, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
Picking up a 2004 6.0 from Shortsville Sunday afternoon. 1250 including harness and computer. Tired of dicking around, need to get something under way. Maybe next year for the fancy stuff.

should be able to get some scratch back from harness and computer etc. Have a couple other computers to post too.

I believe I'll want to get my ECU reflashed to go from 5.3 to 6.0?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 01, 2018, 06:59:41 PM
yes need ECM update.  John should be able to do that i think.  or send it to brendan.  you can use your 5.3 harness and ECM and everything like matt did. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 02, 2018, 01:34:09 PM
Scott Goforth was able to use his distributor to get tires transferred to Rochester. No shipping charges. $315ea for 2 new Toyos, pick up Monday over by the airport. Cannot beat that. FB Messenger and text is the way to go for him.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2018, 09:23:33 PM
Belts are may 2014


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 08, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Rear upper 38.5” c-c

Rear lower 39” c-c


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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
Chipping away at removing things. Motor shuffled to Gus. Lights up in garage to make working suck less.

Floors out. Shifters almost out. Half of fluids drained. Be in need of an engine crane soon.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 10, 2018, 10:06:47 PM
nice.  im looking at another 5.3 tomorrow in buffalo to get going on my swap.  too much jeep work lately.   
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on March 11, 2018, 10:17:19 AM
Summit has mandrel bent exhaust tube at decent prices.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 14, 2018, 11:59:59 PM
Mike, what’s the shopping list for that cam that was suggested? Need to think about that.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 15, 2018, 11:44:07 AM
forwarded stuff on FB messenger

cam
pac springs
WIdeban 02 needed for tune
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 15, 2018, 11:46:11 AM
also confirming same for 6.0, i had asked for 5.3
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 15, 2018, 11:48:57 AM
Wideband needs a separate O2 to the one per bank for the computer?

John can do tune?
You going to do this or just run the cheap motor? I plan to check compression and go from there. If compression is good I think I’ll get Pete on the way. Why not add a week of extra work when it’s less than a month to the race?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 15, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
John said if the engine is in his shop upsidown on an engine stand, he can do the cam and springs in 40 minutes.  wideban and a place to run some pulls (open parking lot) he can tune. 

same parts for 5.3 or 6.0 junkyard build
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 15, 2018, 12:28:12 PM
Sounds good. You have or know of a stand? I don’t.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on March 15, 2018, 03:12:40 PM
I have engine stand you can borrow.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 15, 2018, 04:03:46 PM
thanks! I'll keep you posted...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 15, 2018, 05:13:19 PM
i own two, both in use haha
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 15, 2018, 11:07:16 PM
Time to get a crane and collect my missing tools from Joe.

Motor mounts, headers, trans shifter, tv cable, cooler lines.

And whatever I’ve forgotten.

Needs some vacuuming.
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Motivation to find room for better air filtration

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 15, 2018, 11:12:17 PM
Any suggestions on easy and effective methods to clean out that throttle body and intake or should I just spray a ton of carb and brake cleaner through it all? New motor is drive by wire so I plan to run this intake.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 16, 2018, 02:11:10 AM
There are some mil surplus Donaldson items on eBay. Good deals to be had. I’ll be finding a new home for the battery and hoping for a codriver with small feet should I ever find one. Hopefully make this motor last a bit longer with reduced silica intake.

Just need to grab some appropriate elbows and a straight flex once the filter is mounted.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 16, 2018, 06:49:40 AM
intakes are same, just need to add a few of the brass inserts which can be done with a propane torch

Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 16, 2018, 06:51:30 AM
the newer intake will also have the EGR deleted instead of yours plated i believe
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 19, 2018, 10:40:14 AM
showed our new cam specs to our motor guy at work


he was like DAM!   8)    NOOOICE
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 19, 2018, 11:07:34 AM
haha 8)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 20, 2018, 11:53:31 PM
Bought some pushrods after talking to my buddy back home who spent quite a few years doing performance builds of all sorts.

Lq4 is stripped except crank bolt/pulley

I need to make a scrap run. Too much crap around.

I should try to sell some stock ls brackets too.

Posted a bunch of old ecus tonight, i had way more than i even knew. Probably sell this blue-green and its harness and dbw throttle body too.

Have 3 total blue-reds including what’s on my car now. Other 2 are still stock.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 21, 2018, 10:07:39 PM
I bet my idle hunt was because the throttle plate bleed hole was 99% plugged with oily dirt. Half an hour to clean out the throttle body. I wonder how healthy the IAC valve is.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2018, 12:05:58 AM
Intake prepped. Old hopelessly dirty intake stripped of all nutserts for any future needs and will go in the garbage. Throttle body cleaned, that took a full can a full rag for scrapings and almost an hour. Yuck. Motor is mounts and a crane away from out. Trans and case are halfway there. Mounts, cables, rear, and mid shaft w carrier bearing. Front shaft, which is new, is great.

Probably throw some paint on this chassis while it’s stripped so far if there’s a warm day in here. That’ll make it feel better about itself.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2018, 12:06:36 AM
Look at me contradict myself. Weeee


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on March 22, 2018, 06:54:54 PM
thanks! I'll keep you posted...

A text with a recovery request wasn’t expected. Get that motor built!  8)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
That hill is mean.

And I’m an idiot. Haha


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2018, 10:45:55 PM
o boy!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 23, 2018, 01:24:11 PM
notes to self:
probably 36lb injectors needed
check fuel pressure to verify pump is still adequate
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 23, 2018, 10:10:53 PM
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Got away with winching down the front, barely. Could really use a smoother driveway for the trip back in. Uugh. Probably borrow a neighbor for a few minutes. Or one of you suckers. When that time comes...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 25, 2018, 09:52:13 PM
Didn’t fire it. Decided to work on exhaust first. I think because I’m excited for full breathing improvements plus proper oxygen sensors.

Y pipe redone, needs full welding. Test fit in chassis. 3” needs finesse to clear links and chassis so I’ve got a bit more to do to. Might wrap it tonight yet. It’s close.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 26, 2018, 01:05:38 AM
Anyone have an m18x1.5 tap?

Put o2 bung plug in when welding the bungs in, stuck in the last bung for some reason. Didn’t destroy the bung threads, just those on the plug, but need to chase them.

Really worked out well to keep from fucking up the threads :rolleyes:
I think I just tried to remove it at the wrong time. Came out one turn then stuck and ate itself.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 26, 2018, 06:59:24 AM
I think I do...   have a spare bung on the shelf also if needed
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 26, 2018, 07:26:18 PM
Accessories on. gonna grab injectors before I finesse the harness in around under and through but it’s plugs, water, oil, a dozen small bolts and 2 big nuts (motor mounts) from running. Full welded Y last night if I didn’t mention that but rest of exhaust not done yet.

Just pulled the battery to try and figure out where it’s moving to, or if I need to get some fancy small thing. Getting that air cleaner in there is gonna suck to do but it’ll be worth it to keep it alive. Hope there’s still a little passenger foot room.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 26, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
and as soon as that battery tray was out, I see the sea of wiring disaster, cobbed onto again and again and never labeled or culled for 9 long years....




All standing between where the filter must go and the MAF.

I totally planned to rewire the car this week too.

It really shouldn't be that bad. Just need to get a fuse block I can agree with mounted on the dash side and clean up years of abandoned wiring.All the gauges I replaced are still mounted and installed and half wired. I don't think I've removed a single wire from that car since I got it. The shame burns.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on March 27, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
shame  :P
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2018, 11:01:15 AM
that 6.0 is going is sound bad ass.  hope your exhaust treats it as well as mine does :)   

3 morons blabing about shit in my lab right now for 35 min, i am about to go home because i have finished all my work and we have 3 cells open because someone runs this lab way better now....

I left early yesterday. probably will continue to do so...

I'm planning to put my Magnaflow 3" from the Dakota on it. I expect it to sound very mellow and be a total sleeper. Have to get the floor out to get that muffler in the subframe, it's about 2" too big for available holes. I'm sure I need the floor out to get the tcase out anyway. 2 more bolts and the siren and it's free.

Drained trans last night, I think I really wish Jim had time to look at it. I think it needs clutches. I'm at least going to put a fresh filter in it and clean the pan. 3 hard years, I'm not surprised. Fair amount of friction material in that fluid and one small chunk on the magnent. Leak source was the hold down bolt for the TV cable.

Fuse and relay holders will arrive Thursday.

Have a nearly new slip male on another junk driveshaft. I think I need to buy a new 1350 yoke to match it but I haven't gone through the other pile. Then make it into a complete rear shaft. driveline noise was play between shaft and carrier bearing in front, that'll need some sort of shim for ID/OD tolerance, and the loose outputs on the tcase.

Need at minimum fresh belts and install fuel cell foam to do U4 at AOAA, and see where my weight sits to see if it's even possible (if scales are scaling). Not sure I can quite get er dun. feeling the squeeze big time.

Need to find a home for the battery and get that rewired, may need to go to a smaller battery.
Will need to make a new firewall on the passenger side.
Probably make a new dash panel since gauges are going to come out.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on March 27, 2018, 11:09:34 AM
I think I still have a 1350 female end kicking around. I can bring it to the meeting.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on March 27, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
Regards the battery situation; I remembered a thread on pirate 4x4. Maybe a bit too ‘small’?
I think this battery will work as long as you’re running the AD244 alternator to have enough juice for winching???

$89

Odyssey 680 Extreme

Specs

Cca- 170
Phca-520
Reserve capacity- 24minutes
Cycle charge voltage- 14.4-14.8v
Float charge voltage- 13.5-13.8

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 27, 2018, 11:17:57 AM
ill take my spare shaft yoke back and give you a new 1350 you put in it in return if thats an option id like it back for my trailer spare shaft
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
Yeah I'll definitely get you that spare yoke back. Haven't pulled that shaft yet.

Planning on a pair of those little guys if I can't find a home for the group 34 unit. One would be fine when everything is working right, but it's like 20% of the battery capacity I've been used to.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 27, 2018, 12:49:15 PM
looks like a sweet bro lite battery!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2018, 01:09:15 PM
Hmm, come to think of my brolite thoughts, I might need to put a second battery in and move them to each side of the fuel cell aalllll the way at the tail. I was thinking of ways to add rear weight. And delete the alternator.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2018, 09:55:33 PM
I know why the injectors on the 6.0 were shot

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That dusty rust is all falling out of the rail. Fuel lines and or tank must have been shedding rust big time on that truck.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 28, 2018, 12:53:46 AM
Trans probably has to come out to get the tcase out.

Air filter prob has its home. Need a 45* elbow to lock it in 100%

Holy fuck that wiring was a disaster. 1/3 of it was culled, unused. 1/3 of it is scotchlocked into the final 1/3. Going to have to trace some to figure out wtf it does. Gonna just be super fun in a shop where I can barely walk around the car

Minor injury working on stupid muffler.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on March 28, 2018, 08:22:08 AM
Minor injury working on stupid muffler.

 :o
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 28, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
whats the trans cooler situation these days in this unit?  whatever it is add another one?

is there a trans temp gage?  switch to sweapco?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 28, 2018, 03:19:21 PM
trans runs at reasonable temps, generally 200ish if I recall right, hot for it is 220 or maybe 230, I think that's when I have the light come on and seeing the light is super rare. maybe once per year?

has two good stacked plate coolers up front. with separate fans. first is behind power steering second is in cool air.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 30, 2018, 10:00:33 PM
This sucked without crane access to the chassis. I loathe my “shop”

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 31, 2018, 08:52:17 PM
Reading back through July 2014 traffic, Jim's build lost reverse on me. Grinding noise at first, then just nothing.

Dropping the Summit-bought TCI and the Jim-built (with Summit valve body needing no kickdown) with JJ, he's going to bring to a racing/pulling trans shop in Batavia for me on Monday.

Going to see Arie tomorrow and grab a standard rebuilt 350 that I may tune the motor with or maybe not. Found a broken bearing cage today on my 205, so that's got to wait to go back in. All yokes were a bit loose and it was basically out of oil. No other issues found. I removed the interlocks while it was open so I can put it in any ranges I like now, and shifting should be a lot easier now.

Hopefully get some wiring and maybe air done tomorrow before I have to go to easter dinner. power washing and tcase reseal took forever toady. I really thought I had a bearing kit not just a seal kit. Kicking myself about that.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 31, 2018, 09:23:03 PM
Denny's out of stock on the slip yoke, so is everyone else. ordered Neapco parts from Northern Drivetrain. Spares should remain compatible, still 16 spline 1.375"

Will have a little truing to do on the front carrier bearing along with rear shaft work when that stuff comes in.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 01, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
maybe I'm a tard, but it actually takes a lot of effort to get a harness laid in around an engine and everything plugged back in and neat.

doesn't help that I'm feeling sick.

Arie's trans appears to have 2 bolts and the alignment pins in common, so that's not useful.
Staying home either sick or project tomorrow. was hoping to get fluids & lube done on Joe but if i'm feeling sick I'll do better with wiring that I didn't get done yesterday. fuck, I work slow.
I really hope I'm feeling good enough to do Joe. Best weather day by far in the remaining 10 day forecast. Hope things warm up for race weekend.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 02, 2018, 08:52:15 AM
one to move it, two to go fast
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 02, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
transmissions ~1 week turnaround :-X

driveshaft stuff should be here this week.

I'm sick in bed. first time in like 3-4 years if I recall right. I think I'm about to take some dayquil and try to do some things. I really should do oil change and coolant hose on Joe, not sure I'm up for more than car wiring. but I repeat myself.

What was it, 2 years ago that I killed myself getting ready for this race and missed it?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 02, 2018, 12:32:32 PM
leave your disease from my shop please!  i have been dodging people all week and day with sickness!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 05, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
Some parts were missing in that TH350, there was a cap plug missing that causes low line pressure and it ate itself. rear planetary was broken, reverse piston upgraded to HD unit. Full rebuild and new convertor. Just under a grand.

They'll look at the TCI trans (the Summit bought unit) next week. JJ grabbing tomorrow so I can get it from him Friday evening.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 05, 2018, 08:41:57 PM
Couple parts deliveries missed today due to road closure from downed tree last night. Tcase c clip and I think driveshaft.

Trying to decide between knocking out some wiring and a last long sleep. Still have a bit of plague to kick. Humbug.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 05, 2018, 10:49:09 PM
what converter did you get?  can you send it back and get a 2200 or 2400  instead of a stock 1500-1800 one?

will make tuning that cam a lot easier....  took awhile and compromise to get mine close but its pretty good now.  need more hot laps not after dark.  we only got one complaint visit
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 05, 2018, 11:57:14 PM
I don’t know...


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 06, 2018, 06:49:10 AM
i wish i listened to john and changed it while it was apart.  i would if you can and its just a matter of a swap before install
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 06, 2018, 07:30:41 AM
Jj said he’ll see what he can do.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2018, 12:09:59 AM
Decent progress today. Hopefully I can get productive sooner tomorrow than I did today.

Still haven’t found a battery location I’m happy with.

I think I’m short on atf. Only had 1.5g.

Tcase doesn’t want to align. Seems that I’ll have to shim the front output side way down and might have to shorten the lower bushings in the middle to suck up the input. Tcase is low and passenger of trans. I seem to recall prying the trans to passenger an eighth already to align the mount. Need another quarter.

Maybe partially the result of replacing the worn driver side engine mount bushing? That should have helped not hurt.

Didn’t check alignment when I took it apart.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2018, 08:51:14 AM
I forgot to mention, old motor was running wrong size trans to block bolts. They’re metric, no 5/16. I need to change those all out, I didn’t have any m10s long enough.

M10x1.5 40mm if I remember right.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
exhaust all buttoned up, O2s installed, went to plug them in and I have the wrong gender.

first ones I got were wrong year and obviously wrong plug.

2000 1500/5.3 vs 2500/6.0 have the same plug, but male and female ends are swapped between harness and o2. why the fuck would they ever do that? weird enough that they don't continue to use the same plug for a 4 wire heated o2, but same plug, opposite gender setup year to year. And of course I've antiseized and installed them this time.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 08, 2018, 10:01:27 PM
maybe you mean 3/8" bolts not 5/16"  not sure why they would be there, LS all metric.  maybe they get cross threaded in from the Gen2.


why are you using different O2s that what you had?  did you end up changing the entire harness?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 08, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
remember I was short an O2 since forever. figured I'd give it 2 new. existing in unknown condition and fed gallons of oil smoke.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2018, 12:51:33 PM
you will def need to have john hook up to it, it was difficult to move mine in and out of the shop to the lift bay with old tune after close loop.  100$ to license his software to your VIN.

having a second seat in your car will help a lot.  also. 


did you get it running yet?
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2018, 12:52:00 PM
john also needs an OBD port to plug into, i had to add that
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2018, 02:41:42 PM
FFF.

may run tonight. this is hopeless.
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Post by: rejeep on April 09, 2018, 02:46:34 PM
do you need battery from me?

I like to contribute to hopeless..
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2018, 02:49:37 PM
I don't think I have room to stuff a second one of those anywhere. I'll probably use the one I got from you under the seat for now, and make room for either a PC1100 or g34/78 in that location later.

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Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2018, 02:53:16 PM
OBD serial data is a dark green pin58 on the blue connector, i think the only dark green wire.   
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2018, 02:54:22 PM
O2 info if you need

http://www.lt1swap.com/vortec_o2_sensors.htm
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2018, 02:58:22 PM
yes, I will. thanks.

haven't found my OBD connector that I saved for this purpose yet. I have an idea where to look but didn't find when going for battery cable that it turns out I don't have stashed.

OMW out for parts as soon as I write a list. bleh.
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2018, 03:01:11 PM
I'm also being driven nuts by 2' of extra engine harness on the passenger side. that may get culled.
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 10, 2018, 01:43:56 AM
wiring fully planned and 80ish% executed. need to bus my relay box, run 2ga to the winch and protect the starter lead from heat. Need more ring terminals to finish the independent circuits, and tack on some mounting brackets for the relay and fuse blocks.

i think I have deleted every scotch lock. If not, close. Some of the early ones were pretty rotten... Honestly not as bad as I expected - I should have known better since none had yet failed.

OBD comm line and MIL wire were already pulled out of the loom and taped off, thank you. Those items should both be operational.

didn't touch tcase alignment yet. Once wiring is done, and a battery is semi secured, that's and air in 2 tires is all it should need to drive.

Just remembered I need to go fetch shifter parts from Batavia. I'd forgotten about that since I picked up the trans. Shit. Definitely needed if floors are going back in to do any racing or wheeling.
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
runs. no electrical faults identified. check engine light appears inop, unknown why.

FUCK, I didn't grab the wideband when I was at the shop. Saving that money was hereby a waste!

To tune, needs:
Joe's oil and filters changed (bringing to Shortsville)
wideband o2 installed
obd2 port verified
engine mount nuts installed
tcase aligned, 2 ujoints connected.
2 tires aired up.
siren secured.
battery secured.
mounting bar, seats, belts

to wheel, additionally:
link bolts and jam nuts checked
trans vent, ps vent
front shaft installed
speedo port in trans plugged permanently
zip tie check
lengthen 2 radio wires to get to battery so they're not in the way
floor installed

to race, additionally:
fetch shifter parts from Batavia during business hours
siren mounted & powered
shock and bump pressures set
tools collected & stowed
shifters connected
floor panel behind air box
battery box of sorts
at least 1 of 2 new tires mounted
tins & hood
rear link bushings, ideally, but I'm out of stock. need 2+, have 2 tops.
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2018, 07:44:21 AM
ill have to pull my hood and interior tin to get the harness and O2 out, which is a pain already loaded in the car.  let me know if you need it.

forgot about that bah. 
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2018, 07:46:19 AM
big list!
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2018, 08:53:45 AM
Shit. That probably doesn’t work well with trying to get to shortsville around 4-4:30 does it?


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: etk300ex on April 11, 2018, 09:02:26 AM
Can I pick something up in Shortsville?
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2018, 09:41:16 AM
nope, I'm going to John's.
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
ill run home at lunch and see if i can pop it out.  i have a OBd to my phone if you want to check that function out also but needs my phone. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on April 15, 2018, 09:50:19 PM
Rear end was loose as shit. Tons of trouble steering and staying on the line. Cost me a tire.

Doubtless due to raped bushings.

Motor works GOOD north of 3500 or 4000. It’s hot garbage under load from 2000 or 2500 for about 1000 rpm. Probably similar to smike, but without trans issues.

I melted a fan fuse in my new relay box. Like got Smokey hot and had to stop and fix due to fire concern. Unsure if bad crimp, bad fuse, undersized connectors in the box, or due to the general method used to make a 50a fuse go where it didn’t really belong.

Bad driveline vibe.

Ran cool a n motor and trans both but ambient temps were 40ish. Trans rebuild is solid. I don’t like the need to manually downshift. But I do like compression braking in all gears. I have one of each feature in each of two transmissions.

Steering effort and feedback both still a bit higher than I’d like especially with cold wet dirty hands.

Good shakedown. Disappointingly close to a really good race, result was probably as earned for level of completion and preparation. Effort was obviously high, results at departure I’d give a C- or D. Race day results a C+ or B- due to lack of tools and spares on car. Made electrical magic happen to run fan again with what was under the hood though!

Thanks to all who helped!


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on May 17, 2018, 12:10:11 PM
I was gonna plug that speedo hole in my trans last night. I might have to pull the floor to do it. I taped it up before I put the floor in and getting at it around/ through the new bigger exhaust is gonna suck.

why to I do this to me? haha
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Post by: mr.mindless on May 31, 2018, 11:50:13 PM
Speedo hole plugged. That was super annoying.

Washed.

Few items needing attention noted before the coal bucket.
Just going to washer those wallowed rear holes and change whooped bushings in existing rear links. Not sure if bumps will get rebuilt or not, that would be good. Have a few missing small fasteners.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 04, 2018, 07:08:09 PM
Zero motivation to work on this thing.

I pushed to run aoaa to chase series points. Gotta focus on that to get my ass in gear.


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Post by: mr.mindless on June 06, 2018, 10:44:47 PM
Need a little lathe time tomorrow if I can. Drive shaft slip replacement and opening up some weld washers to 9/16.

90% certain the driveshaft parts are in Joe.

Need to grab a fresh 9/16 drill bit, mine only one is both bent and lost. Hoping I can rip through (4) 1/2” weld washers quick to open em to 9/16” and just weld the nuts for quick fix on the other side. This is the last time 9/16 bolts will be going back in those brackets.

2 vids of issues:
https://www.facebook.com/michael.maskalans/posts/10101104092995618


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 06, 2018, 11:10:16 PM
ill be in buffalo tomorrow night, probably back by 9
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Post by: mr.mindless on June 08, 2018, 12:00:18 AM
Not lookin good at all. Links were supposed to be back in by now, but instead I snapped all 3/4 unibits I could find trying to open up the holes to plop my repair washers in to fix the wallowed holes. Can’t use the little ones in my real drill. Need a clutched drill.

Bought the wrong size spline shaft for my drive shaft too, just for good measure. Pun not intended. As I type and think about it, I bet I bought that for the front shaft not the rear. Before I knew the Dakota shaft would fit. So I should rebuild that someday.

No lathe accidents.

So I’ll see if fleetpride has a 2-40-1711 in stock. If they don’t I’m done. If they do maybe I try to fall asleep piloting Joe down Saturday morning after working all night in the hopes of chasing series points and delivering Karl’s tires.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 08, 2018, 07:46:31 AM
im confused about the 3/4 holes being drilled- going to 3/4 bolts or?  doesnt a grade8 1/2" washer fit tight on a 9/16" bolt?

bummer about drive shaft parts.... do they have a yoke that matches what you bought for a second in stock option?

there are some 1350 stuff i think on the 49 chassis that looked pretty good shape, let me know if i can help with anything later tonight after i finish up a rear gear and rear elocker install on a jk
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Post by: mr.mindless on June 08, 2018, 08:39:21 AM
It’s a tube size issue not a spline problem

Over drilling holes for fixit washers. I have repaired one hole back there with a 1/2” washer and it didn’t last well. Have the fixit washers. Probably should have just doubled up 1/2” washers and finished it instead of getting frustrated breaking tools.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 08, 2018, 09:21:33 AM
Fleet pride has in stock. In Syracuse. Truck from cuse already arrived in roc today.

In stock at Cook Brothers though! Winning again up there.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 10, 2018, 03:40:04 PM
replacement shifter cable ordered. appears to be a 3 year maintenance item, was installed april 14.

tried a bit to free it up, no good. can only pull it, not push.
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Post by: mr.mindless on June 25, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
bumpstop pads are pretty hammered on a couple of these, should have probably freshened those.

I think I goofed and should have thought about material to de-stroke these since that was on my to-do-list to make them 2" in front and 3" in the rear. Hopefully I put oil capacity in the thread here, I don't remember at all. A couple of them were completely empty, across all 5 I tore down I might have gotten enough oil to fill one? Maybe?
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Post by: mr.mindless on June 25, 2018, 12:35:12 PM
oh, forgot to mention the idler pulley fell apart when I pulled this out of Joe after the last race. Lost belt, pully sitting askew on bolt with no ball bearings in it at all.

Those replacement idlers are such fucking trash.
Installed the one of the brackets the fresh motor came with. Bet it outlasts the replacements I've been changing twice a year.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 27, 2018, 04:29:25 PM
didn't hit post on this last night

After little cleanup and mix n match of best parts, these are ready to assemble with fresh seals and oil tomorrow after I cut 2 spacers to shorten stroke. Plan to

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Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2018, 05:49:21 PM
Fucking gnats and flies and heat are driving me batshit.

RF wheel bearing is loose. Slowed me down for the last 2-3 miles. That’s the axle shaft that got swapped at aoaa. Two pump brakes without expecting something to be lose slowed me down to keep 4 wheels on the car to finish.

First in class finish.
Kim Matzen bet me by 25 seconds. Not sure if we were 1-2 overall or not. Likely.

No tires. Never stopped. Tires at 32-35 psi because fuck you flats.

Definitely lacks low end power in current state if tune. Makes up for it with nasty raspy gogogo top end.

Caught a trans cooler fan trying to burn up at the start line. Trans indicated 120-125 all day in spite of one fan out of two dead on trans coolers. Engine topped out somewhere around 205-215. Cooled down after that. High range race. Radiator probably 20-30% covered in leaves from overhanging branches and still stayed cool. Unexpected at 90-95 ambient temps. I’ll take it!

Steering sloppy. Very sloppy. Same bolt as was tightened at aoaa loose again. All steering heims sloppy.

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Todo:
Stiffer rear swaybar by about 20%
Chk LF axle shaft
Install good RF axle shaft and fix bearing issue whatever it is
Heims & bolts in steering
fresh mud muncher button
All else is perfect.
I miss the tci valve body with throttle linkage and automatic downshift but after a lap I was ripping it anyway and getting better at one handing sloppy steering.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 02, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
nice work.  wreck wheeling next then?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2018, 09:06:43 PM
1 weekend till next line mountain. Probably no rec wheeling next with joe needing work and buggy needing work, both.


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Post by: mr.mindless on July 05, 2018, 11:24:41 PM
Bad corner cleaned, resealed, greased, assembled. Lots of dirt in the hub. Bearings – especially inner – pitted, but not awful. Cleaned up well in parts washer. Washed out hub completely as well, was muddy from end cap being lose. Trimmed shitty Nitro axle shaft so stub isn’t too long. Didn’t replace. Still need to deal with broken stub and twisted inner. The other inner I have is too short, not sure what that’s from.

Steering heims and arm bolts replaced. Driver arm hole is wallowed but more than half the play was from bolt wear. Running threads in joints and shoulders in arms now, that should help a bit too. Need to maintain torque on those.

Tins aren’t screwed on and steering needs bolts and jams tightened. Otherwise ready for a local Saturday trip or to have a dzues fastener party and make screws stop falling out of worn out threaded tabs for the tins before the 3.5 miler.

Should maybe swap RF tire and/or tear down and re patch. It’s the really really really patched one, and the edge of one fill spot all the way at the shoulder is leaking. Was flat yesterday.

I did get brand new patch adhesive. The big inside patches might actually stick now.




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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 08, 2018, 09:20:36 PM
john asked your plan if you are going to change TC or no
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 09, 2018, 02:27:15 AM
I haven’t crawled... I probably should plan on it. Will make everything better.


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Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2018, 04:11:08 PM
4th in A class, 16th overall. No flats.
First hardware from LM by my memory.

Finished with (as in probably raced 2 laps with, judging from noises and handling) a broken rear upper frame side link bolt. When I redid the rear mounts I shortcut and just welded the nuts over the wallowed holes and did fixit washers for the shank side. I didn’t have 9/16 in stock and so reused the very experienced bolts. I think I’ll find that welded shortcut saved my race and a LOT of parts.

I also wore through or loosened a trans cooler line. Saw some smoke from it on the exhaust during lap 2 and stopped. Didn’t get out after deciding it was likely just steering overflow. That and a high speed off on i80 slowed me down 2 minutes that lap. Cost 1 position overall. 74 or 75 racers total.

HOT. Car ran cool. Track was very dry. Dust was definitely a factor. Early or late draws were good. Not sure if there was any more moisture in the dirt early but as traffic dropped off late in the day I was happy to have been 145.


Tim Vasas in is 4.0L 5sp air shocks rig schooled me. 12th oa and 2nd in B I think.

Karl has 2 flats and was 6th in A.

Heavy hitters other than Rusty were saving their cars for Kentucky next weekend. Or at bloomsburg .

Kim Matzen broke steering in the new car during lap 1 so no fair race there. She’s racing on 35s in B class. It’s someone notable’s 4600 car. Bell crank steering and front 4 link. Sector shaft snapped.

Lap times posted by LM on FB already.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Oh, and low rpms definitely suck. Gotta finish tuning.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 16, 2018, 03:26:33 PM
nice work on a good finish!
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 16, 2018, 05:10:02 PM
Will be interesting to get that bolt stub out of the welded top lock. Not certain I’ve got grinder clearance to cut it off without pulling rear firewall.

Not working on it tonight, hanging out at Strong while dad gets a partly detached retina fixed.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: dubt on July 16, 2018, 06:22:23 PM
Hope he has a good recovery from that Mike. A co-worker a few years ago had both do that after a sneeze.....
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Post by: M4wdFab on July 16, 2018, 11:28:28 PM
boo for eye issues! 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 27, 2018, 09:42:23 PM
Another week living at work, another week missing fastenal. Didn’t think of 9/16 bolts since Friday last week about this time when I verified that fastenal doesn’t have Saturday hours of any kind. Oops.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: MarcW on July 28, 2018, 10:10:20 PM
Silly that they don’t have any weekend hours. That’s what led me to look for other sources. Found a fastener distributor on eBay, and direct called the company. USA made bolts, not drops or seconds or anything, around 1/4-1/2 the price per bolt when compared to Fastenal. Shipping is usually fast with Priority, I can give you the info, unless your content with sourcing local?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 30, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
It never ever hurts to share options.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: rejeep on July 31, 2018, 08:14:04 AM
i stock 9/16th bolts
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2018, 08:26:57 PM
Pressure washer fixed. Little piece of plastic jammed one of the 3 pressure chamber inlet valves open. May have been in there since new. Valve cage didn’t appear broken, no other source. Inlet screen intact.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: MarcW on July 31, 2018, 08:48:36 PM
RiverCity Fastener & Supply is the place I order from, the pic is a screen shot of half of my last order just so you get an idea of the prices.

I still get a few things locally, and nothing beats being able to drive out and get what you need that day either. But for stocking my bolt bin I haven’t found anything cheaper yet.
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Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2018, 09:01:04 PM
Most of us stock bin from TSC. Be good to compare to that price especially since it’s a trip to any TSC for me.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: MarcW on July 31, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Makes sense. Closest TSC for me is a few towns over and a 45min round trip. It would be interesting  to compare prices, I bet TSC still comes out ahead.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 06, 2018, 04:32:08 PM
be nice if I have time to fix this for the picnic! damn work.

front page flx site reminds me of the good old days
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 06, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
looking forward to some fall wheeling. 

miss having a firewood hauler :) 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 06, 2018, 05:43:03 PM
something my spare carrier is good for!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 08, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Well I got some bolts even if they’re shorter than I want. Fastenal had one bag of 5 9/16 coarse between 4, 4.5, 5” lengths.

Fail.

Should look at Marc’s source.

Shit still deeply sideways at work. Not looking good to touch the car before the picnic.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on August 08, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
you are way to nice, quit being nice or quit
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 08, 2018, 10:03:34 PM
a month of this a year in exchange for getting to do whatever I want for the rest of the year? I'll take it.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 11, 2018, 07:58:05 PM
Gotta swap bearings in the front hubs. I’m not tightening them for the third time this summer, clearly used up.

Didn’t order heims till yesterday. Not likely here till Friday or Monday. One 7/8x3/4 is toast. Other 3 are fine, I think they were new when I last touched that.

I have no more 7/8x3/4, and I think the one in there now was the best of smike’s spares. Typical me.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 11, 2018, 08:52:53 PM
Deep lack of motivation. I think I need to take a day off to dig into this, not try to get it done after work. Work is still too workey to do work after.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 12, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
im negative stock with these with Matt owing me a few i believe. 


i use to stock 2 pairs of everything on my car in my trailer but other people that me used them more often.....


not like we all havent raced with 1/4" play in steering heims, be fine meh
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 12, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
Yup. Ruffstuff backerdered on something.

I shoulda gotten one extra of the 7/8-3/4 so I’d have a complete spare set but I didn’t.

Want to get the front wheel bearings changed, longer bolt put in the rear link, and double shear those 7/8 bolts.

Still no motivation to work on it. Would probably be fine as is...  bleh


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 12, 2018, 05:27:52 PM
attica instead!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 12, 2018, 06:21:44 PM
<3
Title: Re: 571
Post by: MarcW on September 12, 2018, 08:18:14 PM
I have the lack of motivation bug too, hopefully it passes quick.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 12, 2018, 10:06:16 PM
Double shear made up. Wheel bearings tightened. Steering bolt swapped, wasn’t bad heim. May see what’s in stock at fastenal in 3/4 fine. Existing was fully threaded and threads are hammered.

Dig out a welder and swap a link bolt tomorrow. Find some punch balloons for 2 vents.

Put the GoPro washer together if ambitious.

Antenna and window nets are in joe. Can’t wait to do the hauler shuffle again!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 13, 2018, 10:18:41 AM
I’d imagine heim joints will last longer if you cut up some piece of rubber into  ‘washers’ (thicker and to be compressed when tightened) between steering arms and the upper part of the double shear bracket (or washer if single shear). To keep dirt out... if ambitious enough, add a grease zerk to it too.

I’d think it shouldn’t move (& hammered on thread) if it was torqued properly?

Per Fastenal: A properly torqued 3/4” fine thread grade 8 bolts will have 33,566lbs of clamping force when torqued to 357 ft•lbs (clean, dry, zinc coated)

https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Torque-Tension%20Chart%20for%20A307%20Gr5%20Gr8%20Gr9.pdf

Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 13, 2018, 12:18:20 PM
threads of a bolt will get hammered. fact of non-shank loading, the contact patch is minimal, psi is sky high.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: TrailTamer on September 13, 2018, 12:32:57 PM
Technically the shank (or threads) shouldn’t be load-bearing, tho. But, I’m wondering are heims able to handle 3/4” G8 bolts’ clamping force when torqued to spec?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 13, 2018, 12:41:21 PM
There's theory, then there's practice. I don't care how high the clamping force is, any play there is WILL hammer on bolt threads and cause wear/damage when subjected to suspension or steering loads for years.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Wingman on September 13, 2018, 02:05:35 PM
I used the proper non-thread shank length and cut down the threads as needed.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 13, 2018, 04:11:28 PM
that's the way to do it. Load on the shank, longest shank possible.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 13, 2018, 09:33:19 PM
ready as she'll get! Hopefully the right front tire has one more race in 'er. That's the massively patched one, and it's like a 2 or 3 day tire now. My current spare is a leaker too so nothing to be gained.
Tired tires. I think I need to think about some Trepadors.
Also need to do axle u joints. play in the Nitro garbage and the CTM needs a rebuild too.

Hopefully done at work around 3 tomorrow and on the road by 5? I think I can get away without shopping again beyond ice.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 13, 2018, 09:53:13 PM
where is your frame table> i mean trailer this weekend?   need to grab it if its available
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 13, 2018, 10:14:50 PM
shit, I just parked it in.
I'll have to stash a jetta key for you. it's home.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 13, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
that would be great, thanks.  I should have remembered sooner and could have helped you rig swap. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 16, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
Didn’t fix itself. Reasonable suspicion that I have no spark, i think I’m catching a smell of fuel in the exhaust. Car clean, taking a moment and then pursuing with dry clothes. And especially shoes. Dry shoes.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 17, 2018, 12:59:58 AM
Blown ecu fuse.

Shameful.

No idea what caused it to blow. Was fine running for 20m after fuse replacement.

Lots of fans to fix (all 3 of them), broken stub shaft, and my favorite link bushing shot again. Along with a few other minor issues.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 11, 2018, 08:41:02 PM
Know what’s really hot? A wire that’s melted it’s insulation due to overload/undersize. Maybe don’t unplug by grabbing with bare fingers while under load.

Fucking dumbass.


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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2019, 05:46:09 PM
anyone want to help my laziness and pick out a torque converter I can just click a button on and have show up? Summit filters by stall speeds but the specs are not laid out at all once filtered and I click through on many of them. I was thinking something speced at 3200-3600. Hayes Twister, Boss Hog, Allstreet, and Summit brands all come up, from $200-$370, and only 2 of them bother to list a stall speed after clicking through.

I got annoyed and abandoned that set of tabs earlier this week.

I wonder if my year this year will be closer to smike's last – I'm not excited to race prep at all. I think I need a 1.5 car shop with a max jack...
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2019, 06:46:03 PM
i went with a remanufactured TC at 2600-2800 and I thought it was good for the cam motor.  i dont feel it or hate it with the stock 5.3 back in. 

yours is old school right and not an LS converter, you have the 10mm spacer kit on your flex plate to the old style TH350 still?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2019, 07:59:55 PM
Standard TH350, yes.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2019, 08:15:38 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2700-3000-Stall-Torque-Converter-Turbo-350-Trans-TH350-Buick-Chevy-Pontiac-Olds/380877844170?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D51ab413f60a544fcb60cbe955d13eb72%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D182191184719%26itm%3D380877844170&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851


something like that looks good not sure if its correct app
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2019, 08:17:00 PM
in 2010 the car got this according to a gmail summit converter search on my account:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/bmm-20400 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2019, 08:21:05 PM
this is best summit option for the $$

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g2698 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 08, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
Looking to make the center stack and tcase mounts removable. Otherwise tcase can’t come out without trans removal, and this will make trans removal much easier too.

What I consider the right way to do it is crazy expensive since I’ve got to break 8 tubes.

Time to booty fab, I guess.

https://www.trail-gear.com/chromoly-interlocking-tube-clamps.html
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 08, 2019, 01:20:32 PM
i bet those things are great for aesthetic tubes that will never move.  in a car that is beat on and constantly moving, there is no way that something like that will work in more than 2 dimensions with out a porta ram for assembly.... 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 08, 2019, 02:06:04 PM
Not wrong. Multiple planes of tubes going on there too. I’ve got a plan. Plates cut. First tube cut and it didn’t spring at all. I’m _shocked_

Lunch break.

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 08, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
did the skid get changed?  i thought my plan was pull the skid and the case would come out.  i cant remember. 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 09, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
I didn’t think it came out.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on June 09, 2019, 10:58:55 AM
i think it has half in countersunk bolt that hold a 1/2" peice of HDPE with 1/8" steel under that, then there is a steel frame work with nuts that sits in.  im sure its was far beyond serviceability though or it got chagned / steel welded over it
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 09, 2019, 12:43:56 PM
That original design does ring bells. I think the edges later got captured to avoid peeling the hdpe to say nothing of the condition of the bolts.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on June 30, 2019, 10:56:58 PM
Don’t have snap ring pliers at home. Need another set. Time to continue to build three full sets of the important tools. Tired of not having everything in one place.

Anyway, tore down the tcase that was in the car and the spare a bit. Spare is a little contaminated but not bad. Case has wrong mounts. Good internals though.

Rear shifting parts all look 100. Thought my issue was the rear not wanting to stay in low. I looked through this thread and didn’t out myself. Must have been in the event thread or on FB. I’m sure I posted about it somewhere.

I’ll have to do a full tear down and close comparison. Can’t see shit on the front without getting the gears split and I got tired of fighting without the right pliers and on the ground like an animal.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on July 01, 2019, 07:20:51 AM
 rear out put bearing retainer / c clip not broken?  that was my failure when i had no "rear" output engagement
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
there's a little more motion in the rear low gearset on the rear output shaft than I'd expect. Forgot to compare that to the spare case at the time.

I was looking for rounded off teeth or bad shift forks specifically. Good news on that front.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2019, 06:30:30 PM
C clip was knocked out of its landing. I’m going to gamble that it will stay put and reassemble. I will buy a spare and put it in the car. Should be able to be done in the car if needed by pulling the rear driveshaft only. Gear oil and cleanliness would be a concern but otherwise doable.

May be shaking down in Attica this weekend. Trans and power steering fans currently known bad. Should have already had replacements on hand but have NOT ordered yet. Dummy.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 01, 2019, 07:10:10 PM
Fans ordered. Idiocy ceased.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 02, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
Eta eob tomorrow. Love Summit.

Hopefully get case and fans and floors and seats in before bbq at a friend of Sarah’s on the 4th.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 05, 2019, 11:21:11 PM
Fans in. Not wired. Case assembled. Not in. Welding and grinding and assembly tomorrow.

And because I’m gonna care about it when I want less rear ride height and more preload with the spare moved to the top.

14x175 over 16x225 right now.

Sway bar is marked as 13/16 and measures 0.85”
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on July 07, 2019, 11:05:33 PM
So much nicer out today!
Have a little loud work left. Remaining:

Notch floor panels a sneeze from frame tabs
Seats
Belts
Wire front fans
Zip tie upper coolant hose over fans
Grease rear driveshaft
Grease front axle (joints and knuckles)
Side tins

Rear bumper
Tire carrier
Lighter rear coil rates
Stiffer swaybar
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 18, 2019, 12:00:35 AM
Transfer case repeated issue today. Rear will not stay in low.

Fuel issue diagnosed.  See-through lines rotted out and brittle. Cracked and not leaking under vacuum but would air lock feed side.

Great day of playing around. Sarah enjoyed too. Would have been better if drier but I’ll take it.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 18, 2019, 12:03:38 AM
Fuel lines (tank to valves - critical; all - PM)
Fresh 1/4” ratchets for seat belts, passenger failed
Tcase rear output snap ring. Repeat issue.
Spare carrier
rear bumper
Tune for happiness and power under 2500rpm and less stalling
Reduce mud
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 18, 2019, 11:33:42 PM
Will try to pull apart and diagnose tcase asap.

Miiiight go to Rausch with the full crew (Sarah and titan) if I can get a better fix on that.

I’m very nervous about being away from work for Crandon the first week of classes. I’m definitely not updating my [out]dated safety items before then to race. Dog plus joe fuel economy affect motivation. Sarah can’t get out of work for that to join in.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on August 21, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
crosspost from fb

Need some coil spring sanity check. I need a lighter spring in the rear. It's been marginal, limit strapped to about 1/2" preload, and without the spare hanging all the way off the back now, I need to lose about 2" of shaft on top of that. I'm showing about 9.5" on a 14 and want to get closer to 7-7.5. Shocks on the axle and close enough to 1:1 as not to matter.
14x175 (@10-7/8") over 16x225 (@13.5") now, that's combined rate of about 97#. Spare isn't on and will add about 60# centered over the springs.
A friend has some springs I could swap right on, but slightly odd lengths.
could do a 14x150 over 18x200, that's a little softer all around at 86# with similar progressiveness and almost certainly solves preload fully.
Corner weight math
(16[free height]-13.5[compressed height])*225[rate]/6.5[desired squat]
tells me my target overall rate is (varying inputs between compressed height of 13.25-13.5 and squat of 6.5-7) 80-95#. Longer spring gets me preloaded right. I have about 3" of thread above the spring now.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 22, 2019, 08:15:24 PM
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fkb-fkssx14t?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwt5zsBRD8ARIsAJfI4Bho00bCJcqGR78WjZvT1Q_n8VIEyw_77eRwTuP_Dr_XVJxcOozyX7kaAn1REALw_wcB

Would need to open up the 1.5” id a sneeze, and sleeve each side to keep it centered. Keep same mounts on the car. Easy!
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 22, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
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Lowers looked perfect. I think it must have to do with lateral angle change through articulation.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2019, 07:27:57 AM
summit link,  7/8" bolts then?  or is the id spec missing.  9.5 degrees sounds disappointing also.   


id guess you would quickly start egging out those DOM 0.250"-0.0625 sleeves next being structural steel instead of what china chromo usually wraps the 1.25" heims we usually use
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 23, 2019, 08:21:17 AM
I’d sleeve the 9/16 bolt to 5/8

Worry more about concentrating the stress on the center of the long boot than the 1/4” steel but you’re probably right. I just want to be lazy. I shouldn’t. There’s good access to rebuild the mounts like i did in the front, it’s just a bunch of work I don’t feel like doing.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on September 23, 2019, 10:30:28 AM
summit link says 7/8" hole thats why i was confused.


lazy would be doing what Ryan did and put solid steel slugs in :) 


new mounts and 7075 it with 1.25" heims! 
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 23, 2019, 10:46:13 AM
I would rip the mounts off if they couldn't change angles, the wear to those bushings makes that crystal clear.
I'm gonna try it. I'll push the button on 2 of those inserts and see what happens. The lowers can stay bushed without any issue, it's the uppers that need the help.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Ryan on September 23, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
Haha, I did do that, I was lazy and cheap.  ;D
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on September 29, 2019, 06:27:11 PM
So: cause or symptom? The wear of this oil galley at the gear is the only thing that looks out of place on the rear output housing. Is that a thrust block that’s worn down and lets the c clip pop out?

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 03, 2019, 02:22:15 PM
I thought I'd ordered a new billet output housing, looked over my CC today and it turns out I did.

Never got a confirmation email, which I'd looked for. But I did get charged.

I've subsequently heard some not great things about the vendor I purchased from. Site still says typically ships in 7 days, that would have been about 2 weeks ago. We'll see how that goes.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 04, 2019, 11:57:41 AM
"Sorry for the delay. Shipping out early next week. Should be at you by Friday. "
we'll see.
Beware Behemoth Drivetrain
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 13, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
New bling assembled. Full support of c clip is part of the billet housing.


The initial c clip does appear to have been installed backwards, or popping out twice gave it wear that sure appears like it was machined in.

Just need to feel like crawling around on the floor to install it. Which I should just do since I’m dirty already.

Then a little link machining and spring swapping and I’m ready to still need to build a spare tire carrier and bumper!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 19, 2019, 11:47:13 AM
Buttoning up the rear before another wedding today, hopefully!

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Title: Re: 571
Post by: Harrison on October 19, 2019, 05:02:13 PM
Still bushings?
Title: Re: 571
Post by: M4wdFab on October 19, 2019, 08:14:05 PM
thats orange CJ5 red    :)
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 20, 2019, 10:20:36 AM
Bushings trimmed down around loose spherical bearings. 1/8” steel wrapped around to reinforce “cage”. We’ll see what happen.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: Harrison on October 20, 2019, 11:25:17 AM
Interesting idea
Title: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 20, 2019, 12:57:19 PM
Had to overbore the ID of the 2x.25 to fit a 1.64ish OD of the bearing.

Shortcut to avoid rebuilding chassis side mounts until I bother to do aluminum rear links and any potential wheelbase or related rear structure changes.
Title: Re: 571
Post by: mr.mindless on October 20, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
Lug nut and air pressure check, throw a spare up high on the back, add a few zip ties for rear brake and vent lines, and make sure seats and tins are secure, and this old girl is ready to hallowheel