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etk300ex

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2013, 12:45:51 PM »
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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2013, 01:53:43 PM »
The class of license you need depends on the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of your truck, and on the GVWR of the
heaviest vehicle that you tow with your truck. The gross combination weight rating (GCWR) is the GVWR of the
tow truck, plus the GVWR of the vehicle being towed (see Diagram 1, Chapter 3, page 6). If the vehicle you tow has a
GVWR of over 10,000 pounds, and the gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of this vehicle and your tow truck is
more than 26,000 pounds, you need a Class A license with a tow truck endorsement ("W"). If the GCWR of your tow truck
and the towed vehicle does not exceed this weight limit, you will need at least a Non-CDL Class C license with a tow truck
endorsement ("W").


A car carrier can also be considered to be a tow truck. If you drive a car carrier with a GVWR of over 26,000 pounds, you
need at least a Class B license. If your car carrier has the ability to tow a vehicle of over 10,000 pounds GVWR behind
it, and the GCWR of your car carrier and this vehicle is more than 26,000 pounds, you need a Class A license.

Note:  The requirement for an "R" endorsement (Class D or Class E license) to operate a recreational vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lbs. or more remains in effect.

RecreationalVehicle or “R” endorsement-Recreational vehicles, with or without
air brakes, are not defined as commercial vehicles. You may apply for an “R endorsementfor yourClass D,Class E, or non-CDLClassCdriverlicense to allow
you to operate a recreational vehicle (RV) with a GrossVehicle WeightRating of over
26,000 lbs.(11,794 kg).An “R” endorsement also allows you to drive a rental vehicle
more than 40 feetin length forthe transportation of personal household goods.
Toobtainan“R” endorsement: submit a completedApplicationforDriverLicense
orIDCard(MV-44),indicating a license amendment,toa stateor countymotor vehicle
office;pay apermitfee,whichis validforuptotworoadtests; andpass a roadtestin
the size andtypeof vehicle youwillbedriving.Nowrittentestis required.Totake the
roadtest, youmustbe accompaniedby a licenseddriver atleast 21 yearsoldwhohas a
license validforthe typeof vehicle youwilldriveduring the test(e.g., adriverlicense
withan“R” endorsementorthe appropriateCommercialDriverLicense).The roadtest
willbe about 15minutes inlengthandwillinclude turns,intersections andbacking the
vehicle tothe curb.Uponpassing the roadtest, youmust gotoamotor vehicleoffice
andpay the requiredfee tocomplete the license amendmentprocess.

M4wdFab

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2013, 02:02:30 PM »
not clear if R permits are applicable to GCWR 26+ not just GVWR


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mr.mindless

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2013, 02:12:13 PM »
R permits are intended for big motorhomes. Idk if you can get one if the trailer is the RV as opposed to the power unit being the RV


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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2013, 02:31:07 PM »
not clear if R permits are applicable to GCWR 26+ not just GVWR


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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2013, 02:36:59 PM »
similar reasons same consequence
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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2013, 02:43:05 PM »
recreational vehicle is undefined on the DMV site.

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2013, 02:53:18 PM »
Just out if curiosity why did you post the section about tow trucks?   You don't have one....

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #98 on: July 02, 2013, 03:05:04 PM »
A car carrier can also be considered to be a tow truck.


they use all these Fing terms and do not define them properlly





i was just collecting all the info that is remotely close to my situation.

i still see no clear option for non commercial over 26K

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #99 on: July 02, 2013, 03:07:46 PM »
I know they don't define stuff well.  I believe there is a section somewhere with every definition car carriers generally refer to the big trailers that hold lits of cars.   A wedge may fall into that.

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #100 on: July 02, 2013, 03:11:23 PM »
R permits are intended for

car carriers generally refer to


statements and inferences i am not impressed with! more engineering less liberal arts!

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #101 on: July 02, 2013, 03:31:04 PM »
Different states define "car carrier" differently.

In Florida it's important because they have funny length laws, and if you have 4 cars on you're a car carrier regardless of trailer type.
By most other states, a car carrier is a stinger steered trailer. (WRONG. looking for right hitch name now. The low 5th wheel plate)

NYS DMV's use of terms without any reference to what the fuck they mean infuriates me. These are great examples. So is their use of "commercial" - do they mean a CMV, or an s10 with "commercial" plates?

Fuck you, NYS.
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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #102 on: July 02, 2013, 03:36:25 PM »
well shit maybe "stinger steered" is the right term - but now I'm seeing it applied elsewhere. BAH!

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #103 on: July 02, 2013, 05:14:56 PM »
Just run it until you get a ticket then you will know and can inform everyone on here of the true law.

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Re: 04' 4300
« Reply #104 on: July 02, 2013, 05:45:15 PM »
Just run it until you get a ticket then you will know and can inform everyone on here of what that officer decided the law was that day for you.

fixed.

Assuming you're intending to be legal and making an effort to be such, you need to have the damn code printed out and with you so you can defend yourself roadside before it turns into a ticket. If you talk to a DOT inspector or trooper about the specifics of these fine lines they probably don't know it off the top of their head and probably have a different interpretation depending on the day of the week. This even happens with clear-cut stuff.

I'm just glad we don't have weigh stations out here to have to deal with.
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