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Projects place => Projects Section => Topic started by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 08:51:05 AM

Title: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
I'm looking at some shop space I'll probably rent in the city. Only issue is it has a brand new concrete floor and owner says no drilling the floor. The compressor needs to be secured down but I figure I can just put it on a 3'x3' piece of plate and weld some bolts sticking up to secure it. The issue is I was pretty set on installing a 2 post lift.

Options would be something like this http://rochester.craigslist.org/for/4587143288.html but obviously no good for suspension work / tires / brakes.

So was playing with the idea of how to support a lift without drilling the floor. Would need structure supports top and bottom between the posts. and legs that extend front and back. thoughts?
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 09:13:34 AM
you and a new floor that's not suppose to be damaged sounds like a bad idea
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 09:27:28 AM
this place?

http://rochester.craigslist.org/prk/4648746112.html

whats the electric and heat situation?  looks nice ceiling height for a lift. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 09, 2014, 09:28:04 AM
My compressor is still on a pallett.

Not sure about a lift that's not attached to the floor.
Seems like I'd keep searching for a older floor.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 09:40:10 AM
seems like this would be what i need.

location sucks

http://rochester.craigslist.org/off/4658636624.html
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: luvmyxj on September 09, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
I'd pass on location, shithole part of goodman
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 09:46:15 AM
yes that one. Best price for size I've found so far. Location is fine with me.

He said he would run 220 to the garage for $425 per month. I have a buddy who is throwing in $150 a month. its 22 wide by 28 deep, so not really 2 deep in terms of being able to work on stuff. 

roof slopes downward side to side. where left side is tall at ~14 and right side is ~10. which actually works ok since the left bay door is larger so is conducive to that being the main work area.

electric included. no heat. my salamander would heat the area fine.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 09:48:02 AM
seems like this would be what i need.

location sucks

http://rochester.craigslist.org/off/4658636624.html

in the HOOD.

but a consideration if its "drive up and drive in" kinda place. too far for you though.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: luvmyxj on September 09, 2014, 09:51:52 AM
seems like this would be what i need.

location sucks

http://rochester.craigslist.org/off/4658636624.html

in the HOOD.

but a consideration if its "drive up and drive in" kinda place. too far for you though.
That's in a commercial complex behind Charlotte appliance, not bad at all, cameras on the buildings ,might of been a skatepark in there at one time
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Wingman on September 09, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
you and a new floor that's not suppose to be damaged sounds like a bad idea

Not sure about a lift that's not attached to the floor.

x2 billionty

My horizontal compressor sits on a couple of 2x4s.  It'll be fine.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
You're right. Father north than I though.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Wingman on September 09, 2014, 09:53:51 AM
Could build a steel platform with enough structure to support loading front/back and side/side...
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 09, 2014, 09:58:14 AM
Something to consider is the surrounding area.
If it's a residential area they won't be happy about an after hours fab / repair shop making noise. Business use or not!
don't sign anything more than a month to month lease.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on September 09, 2014, 09:59:24 AM
seems like this would be what i need.

location sucks

http://rochester.craigslist.org/off/4658636624.html

seems like you could buy for that price instead of renting
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 10:51:32 AM
Something to consider is the surrounding area.
If it's a residential area they won't be happy about an after hours fab / repair shop making noise. Business use or not!
don't sign anything more than a month to month lease.

is this the norm for "commercial" space? we actually have not discussed lease at all. I will ask owner what he expects.


Could build a steel platform with enough structure to support loading front/back and side/side...

This was my thought.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 10:56:02 AM
sounds like a hassel.  i drilled holes and didnt ask haha
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 09, 2014, 10:59:38 AM
Typically for commercial space an owner is looking for yearly lease.
Seperate out the shitbirds!
But being marketed as "non commercial" space,  noise after normal business hours could be an issue for surrounding homes. Don't get locked into a year lease with a property owner who doesn't under the full scope of what your planning to do.
And then shrugs his shoulders if the neighbors shut you down.

Without really knowing the neighborhood. .. im saying just bee cautious.


Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 11:01:01 AM
officers are pretty friendly if you have sweet race buggies and you can carry a conversation respectfully. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 11:05:50 AM
Typically for commercial space an owner is looking for yearly lease.
Seperate out the shitbirds!
But being marketed as "non commercial" space,  noise after normal business hours could be an issue for surrounding homes. Don't get locked into a year lease with a property owner who doesn't under the full scope of what your planning to do.
And then shrugs his shoulders if the neighbors shut you down.

Without really knowing the neighborhood. .. im saying just bee cautious.
good thing to consider.

he said he was flexible with the lease. probably will just ask for month to month? what kind of risk does that impart on me for him being able to kick me out for a tenant who will pay more?


sounds like a hassel.  i drilled holes and didnt ask haha

I should have gone with this route. ask for forgiveness, not permission.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 09, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
Ha ha.
Yea good point.
 hill Billy shenanigans won't get you anything but in the back of a patrol car.

Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 09, 2014, 11:10:31 AM
In a lease agreement it should disclose how much notice you will receive if the property owner decides to terminate the lease for any reason.
30 days minimum is safe bet.
If not make sure it's rewritten in.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 09, 2014, 11:11:02 AM
Notice recieved must be in writing delivered in person. Not emails or texts.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Torin-BigRed-3-Ton-2-Post_878947579.html?s=p

this is what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
bottom ties suck
subtract 2K from chineese ratings
lead time would be un acceptable


much better options for 1200-1600 on ebay
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
just looking at design...would over engineer and retrofit to a used lift.

how do you feel about scissor lifts? Chadley uses one primarily. Even with the cummins trucks  :o
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 09, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-000lb-two-post-auto-car-lift-truck-lift-hoist-2-4-heavy-duty-hoists-/251635190801?hash=item3a96a04c11&item=251635190801&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr

how the hell are these so cheap??
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 09, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
get a top tie

junk on the floor is no good.

chinnese 9K is a good 7K lift



my max jax was 2300$ to my door

i would pay 3X that for the next lift without thinking twice after having a lift. 


i would not buy something that can safely lift your cummins truck. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: luvmyxj on September 19, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
http://rochester.craigslist.org/tls/4667580006.html
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 24, 2014, 01:49:55 PM
lease signed on the place on goodman. 3 month then month to month.

related: school me on running new fuel lines on a car. looks like there is nylon, aluminum and stainless options.  how do I tie into existing system? does fuel line use the standard flare like a brake line?
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on September 24, 2014, 02:14:31 PM
High or low operating pressure? Usually cut off where it's good and double hose clamp fuel injection rated hose to the other end is my method for under 50psi


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on September 24, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
some vehicles have aftermarket units
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Harrison on September 24, 2014, 09:37:25 PM
Get nylon to steel compression fittings
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on September 24, 2014, 09:49:24 PM
great to hear shop is rented!

i have a lot of stuff i can send your way if you are looking for work.


a few recomendations:

charge 2x what you think is fair
you will get Fucked 1 out of every 10 jobs, accept it.
do not be afraid to say "no, we dont do that"
do not be afraid to outsource and make 40%
mark up 40% on any parts you get from arie / zone / advance
be clear cash only
fix your mistakes at all cost
60$ / hr for clean metal / fabrication / new lift kit installs
80-90$/hr for shit rotten jeep work
do not do work for anyone you work with


Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 24, 2014, 10:32:43 PM
Yeah if you have customers who you are not quoting I would definitely be interested. Shop is on South Goodman in Rochester.

Please continue to remind me of the advice you listed above. I can see how each one of those is essential.

Whats the thing you use the most that I need to stock that I don't have and wont think of? I know I want to stock brake line, fuel line, random exhaust sizes.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on September 24, 2014, 10:46:59 PM
Wait are you opening up a legit shop?

We need to talk
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 24, 2014, 11:09:31 PM
no not a legit shop. just a large 2 bay garage to work on my junk and pick up side jobs. no lift for now.

Title: Re: Shop
Post by: TrailTamer on September 26, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
I'll like to work for you if you need some help when it get busy! 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 15, 2014, 09:19:51 AM
first job quoted.

ny rust pile
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on November 13, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
hows the shop going?

did you get any heat running?  i get 35 gallons free if i refer you to suburban
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on November 13, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Its good. I paid the rent in September with customers. I need to spend more time there and need more customer work.

I'm running a salamander on free heating oil for now. but if I decide to switch to propane ill hit you up. thanks
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on November 13, 2014, 11:02:21 AM
nooice

ill be in the city tonight, you out there let me know id like to check it out
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on November 13, 2014, 11:07:11 AM
ill have a 5 gallon pail of clean used oil this weekend too... please take
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on March 06, 2015, 11:51:31 PM
Procured.

Tape measure says it will do a 40. Let's try it out.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on March 07, 2015, 12:34:16 AM
Hope it's a sweet machine!!
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: jacel86 on March 07, 2015, 06:27:37 AM
Step one: clean and lube the ever loving crap out of the rim clamps.  We do ours monthly or they'll set up.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 07, 2015, 10:56:55 AM
Sweet score
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on March 10, 2015, 09:24:15 AM
this thing is awesome.

plastic head on the way to do aluminum wheels.

come use it anytime.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 10, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
Thanks. Lots of Bro wheels and tires to swap around at some point. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 03, 2015, 07:01:17 AM
Smike, where are you finding those florescent shop lights for really cheap like you mentioned?
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on April 03, 2015, 08:11:25 AM
what kind of lighting...
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 03, 2015, 08:31:59 AM
t12

actually, this is pretty sweet deal
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-Light-White-T12-Fluorescent-Shoplight-1233-SHOPLIGHT/203081577

Title: Re: Shop
Post by: etk300ex on April 03, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
You can get the t8 fixture for two mor bucks.  Much more efficient.


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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on April 03, 2015, 08:54:16 PM
walmart, made in usa cold start t8's for 11$   get a contractor pack of t8s from lowes
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: carchameleon on April 04, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
i can't find those on walmart's website
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: etk300ex on April 04, 2015, 10:59:59 AM
Cold start is key!


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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
Looking for more work and jobs M4 doesn't want.

MaxJax ordered  8)

2 weeks minimum to ship. Just enough time to fix the Cummins, maybe.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2015, 02:18:58 PM
Come use the tire machine anytime!
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on April 28, 2015, 02:20:10 PM
Awesome!!


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
"I see you just placed an order for the Dannmar MaxJax. They are on back order until late June or July"

ffffff
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on April 28, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
since we talked summit has changed from tomorrow ship to 5/13 ship

id call them
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2015, 03:11:44 PM
its an extra $300 on there

calling now
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 28, 2015, 03:54:03 PM
summit seems to have pulled though.

fingers crossed
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 28, 2015, 09:08:50 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 11, 2015, 12:37:13 PM
Procured.

Tape measure says it will do a 40. Let's try it out.
How's the shop schedule looking?
I've got a few tires to swap around.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 11, 2015, 12:50:49 PM
Procured.

Tape measure says it will do a 40. Let's try it out.
How's the shop schedule looking?
I've got a few tires to swap around.


what size?
we found that the bead breaker width does not accept a 39x? KRT. But MikeMike and I did 315s on it no problem.

can do most nights this week. tuesday and thursday are best.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 11, 2015, 01:05:38 PM
235 ' s
Brolite
I'll coordinate with cora and let you know what night works best for us.
What are you charging?
I can do most of the work if that helps not take you away from other projects.
Beer?
Cash?
4 sets of wheels & tires to dismount.
2 sets to mount up
No balance req.





Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 11, 2015, 01:47:37 PM
no charge for yall
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on May 11, 2015, 08:43:17 PM
Your too nice.
Thursday looks good.
What time you roll in?
Gotta grab cora's truck and fill it up with wheels.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 14, 2015, 01:40:17 PM
i'll be there at 6 till ?
text me or lmk what youre thinking.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on June 15, 2015, 11:53:44 AM
Progress
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on June 15, 2015, 11:57:48 AM
Yeah buddy!
Happy for you!

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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Wingman on June 15, 2015, 12:05:28 PM
Nice!  Jealous.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on June 15, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Awesome!! You're gonna have to get Smike to make you up a bead breaker for the big boy tires now
Title: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 19, 2015, 08:40:21 PM
Looking for a decent sized tool box of anyone has anything for sale. 40"+ bottom with or without top box.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 20, 2015, 09:09:54 AM
HF is what we ended up with in the shop for main boxs.
Good enough for the money.
The Depot puts boxes on clearance every so often as well.

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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 09:23:56 AM
i got the Husky boxes after shopping around.  they have 100lb rated drawers that seemed a lot nicer than the HF boxes at same price, even cheaper if on sale.


Make sure if you get a store model you check all the bolts on wheels and anything assembled in house- wheels and handles fell off mine shortly after. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on July 20, 2015, 09:30:36 AM
I have a Husky box and Snap on...
for the money. Husky is just dandy... I got my Snap on second hand and its WAY better in almost ever way.. but cant justify the cost of a vehicle for tool storage

Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 20, 2015, 09:41:47 AM
The husky are really nice for the money. 41" 13 drawer top and bottom for $550.  I'm looking at a used snap on box tonight that's $800, then will decide. Everyone wants 2500-5000 for used beat high end ones.

Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
matt has that model husky- his only complaint the draw catches are weak and it comes unlocked.  that is the black version

Mine is the limited edition silver with heavier drawers and catches- something do consider. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 20, 2015, 09:56:13 AM
ok good to know. thanks
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 20, 2015, 09:56:45 AM
im getting tired of stuff that breaks
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
i left out matts complaints are when its in travel in the trailer-  several times the top comes open and drawers open in the trailer while towing. 

probably fine on a shop floor. 
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on July 20, 2015, 08:35:43 PM
Ended up buying the older snap on for $750.

Definitely has some dings and dance, but construction is SOLID.  She's a heavy girl
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 20, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
Good deal.
That's about what I paid for new HF 42" main box with 2- 17" side boxes.
Definetly not Snap on quality.


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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on July 20, 2015, 10:41:59 PM
looks quality
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 26, 2015, 09:47:15 PM
Looking for more work to fund new truck purchase soon
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on October 26, 2015, 10:43:01 PM
you ready for gears yet?
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on December 09, 2015, 03:02:55 PM
looking for work this month
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on March 28, 2016, 10:09:33 PM
New better tire machine purchased. Come use anytime. Has a bigger bead breaker jaw. We can try a KRT again if you want.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 29, 2016, 01:12:39 AM
;) ;) ;)

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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on March 29, 2016, 08:18:33 AM
nice work.
I think all of us are on beadlocks now so the mounting part is easy-   it was the bead breaking that was crazy hard.  Solved that with the M4 super max jax power bead breaker!
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 03, 2016, 02:20:46 PM
I've scrapped a lot of whole cars lately. Anyone know if there is regulations on that? Would it fall under the need for dealer license for "retail or wholesale"? I can't find anything online related to scrapping.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Wingman on April 03, 2016, 06:00:00 PM
look under "dismantling"
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 03, 2016, 08:19:39 PM
https://dmv.ny.gov/more-info/junk-salvage-businesses

Meh. No talk of "if _ or more per year"

Will continue as is.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on April 04, 2016, 12:07:53 AM
is the place taking the titles? or?


i know there is a buy / sell more than 6 per year something law.... but i dont think that maters if they arent ever titled
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on April 04, 2016, 08:14:50 AM
junk is junk

they take all the information for a paper trail.. stolen, liens, murder scene etc..
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on April 04, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
ya i cant imagine its any way actively linked to the DMV or IRS. 

you working out in the shop this week?  i have your hydro ram.  might have some tires to swap
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on April 24, 2016, 11:54:36 AM
Stepping up my storage game. Should have done this long ago.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: CJ on April 24, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
Nice!! ;D
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Wingman on April 24, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
Your shop fridge is entirely inadequate...  :P

Nice improvement!
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on April 24, 2016, 09:34:36 PM
nice!
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 06, 2016, 10:18:56 AM
Closing on a house in 2-3 weeks. Has a insulated and heated 3 car garage! score!

My current shop will be available for rent if anyone is interested. I'll be moving out as soon as we close.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on October 06, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
Wow! Congratulations! Give a shout if you need a hand packing/moving. I certainly owe you at least that much :)
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: TrailTamer on October 06, 2016, 11:04:42 AM
Wow! Congratulations! Give a shout if you need a hand packing/moving. I certainly owe you at least that much :)

I owe ya too. Give me a shout as well.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: M4wdFab on October 06, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
nice!  congrats
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on October 06, 2016, 11:30:20 AM
Where's the house?

How much shop rent?
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: carchameleon on October 06, 2016, 12:35:16 PM
Wow! Congratulations! Give a shout if you need a hand packing/moving. I certainly owe you at least that much :)
agreed, me too
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 06, 2016, 01:10:16 PM
Where's the house?

How much shop rent?

House is on Balsam St Rochester. Foreclosure that needs work then will be a rental in a few years. New garage.

Shop is $350/mo incl electric
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: carchameleon on October 06, 2016, 01:29:40 PM
I'm pretty sure I went to look at that house a few years ago when I was looking at houses...

congradts!

Balsam Bagels is a great place and the owner is a great guy
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on October 06, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
kim used to live right there. nice neighborhood.
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: Wingman on October 06, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
Moving party!  8)
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: mr.mindless on October 06, 2016, 07:07:40 PM
I can’t get over how useless the parking situation makes that place to me. Sucks since it’s so handy and so cheap but no trailers in the lot plus alternate side parking just kills it.

Hrmph!


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Title: Re: Shop
Post by: rejeep on October 06, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
Right down the street from me  ;)

For 350 it would be worth keeping   
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 13, 2016, 05:01:44 PM

shelving for sale $200
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on November 01, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
Closing 11/8 !
Title: Re: Shop
Post by: KingtheZJ on February 12, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
Just installed a 3" Rubicon Express lift in a 2017 JKU with 3000 miles!