M4wd&Fabrications
Projects place => Tech => Topic started by: M4wdFab on March 12, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
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Just talked to Nate- who purchased a 48' tri axle goose with quarters. plans to haul with 12valve, 2 buggies and gear. he will be over 26k so i warned him of what i have learned.
He called the DMV, DOT, local troopers, sargant of weights and measurement from state police, then Albany. None able to help or tell him what to do.
love NY
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Just get your cdl a and take all the questions out of it. Problem solved and now you have one other thing people may need and a opportunity to make money.
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that is so ridiculous...
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Wow
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Because its all BS. Just like the DOT numbers. It's yet again another way to wring money out of us.
So
I bring up the question again...
Why the big worry?
Have any of us ever been pulled over, forcefully weighed and ticketed?
Mike mike doesn't count because he is for hire.
And Nick F is hauling construction equipment that is for hire.
I'm referring to transporting unregistered and or untitled offroad vehicles. Regardless of whether they are in a competition or not.
Just Run it.
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It's not a problem until it's a problem!
And then it's a 10k fine and having to drop your trailer or find someone with a CDL to drive it for you.
I used to be legal, new truck puts me at 26500 combined weight though :(
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there is also the fact, i have and MDT, not a f350/550 or cummins 3500- i LOOK HEAVY and LOOK COMMERCIAL
and, i dont plan on getting lighter or smaller....
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We go to Horse shows and see HUGE trailers pulled by 3/4 and one ton trucks.
Talked to a few who looked at me like "26k lbs what??" They don't give it a second thought
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and then there is the additional grey area of Maine registraion does not class weight. There are no weight tags on my wedge or small enclosed. 30000GVW on the kitchen hauler....
4300 door says 25500, but title / registraion says 9900.
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love how DMV site contradicts itself:
need a class A if: needed if towing more than 10,000lbs
with a class D: can tow more than 10,000lbs as long as combine is less that 26,000
WTF
http://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf
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i dont know if it contradicts, its just written very, very poorly.
its all in the vehicle type
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a conway freight driver knocked on my window at sheitz
he asked about the RV
I shared some grey area loop polls with Maine plates and Progressive limited use insurance.
He has an L10 94' he has been trying to figure out how to insure to pull his race car trailer- he of course has a CDL.
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sheitz lol
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Also to comment on Eriks question of why the big worry...
fines and road side hassel are one thing
A wreck or crash with injury / death without proper papers i dont think would go over well with a half assed lawsuit- and im betting since its claimed all personal used your little LLC or DBA isnt going to save your house
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Mark (wedge customer with the FL70) told me this morning that he had his 52' Take Three wedge plated at 14,500 to stay under 26k behind his [business-killing 6.0] Ford. It's a 3x7 axle set up and the GVWR is 21k. PA gave him a $1250 "improper registration" ticket for that since the registration weight didn't match the trailer GVWR plate.
Interestingly, only the VIN was readable on the trailer tag, the sticker was worn to the point the axle and gross weights were illegible. He assumes the VIN was run and it came back with something.
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some research:
if you ever need to get an empty trailer home and have no plates / tags / registration
NYS loopole- you say it will be used for a job site office, or job site plateform and it doesnt need any papers or inspection lol
NYS
Do I need to register my vehicle in New York State?
It depends
if you aren’t a resident of New York, the vehicle registration from your state of residence is valid here
if you move to New York and become a resident, you must register your vehicle here within 30 days of becoming a resident (moving)
if you are a resident of New York and you get a vehicle from another state which you will be driving on New York State roadways, you must register the vehicle here within 30 days
Maine
main plates, out of state resident: ok for 7k or less non commercial. 7k or more or commercial needs safety inspection. "Camp trailers" are exempt regardless of GVWR or actual weight.
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Define vehicle
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thing with wheels and a vin number you use on DOT roads
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VIN
vehicle identification number: a trailer is identified as a vehicle
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inquired about my truck:
The State of Maine will only register vehicles that are 1990 and up, and 10,000 lbs. or less
if the vehicle is a 1990 thru 1994 the title needs to already be in your name, if the vehicle is a 1995 or newer we will need the original title
any questions please call the Staab Agency 207-549-7541
thank you
Kathy
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The law stated the vehicle you are driving, trailers have no motor or steering so you can't drive them
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troy its ok if you want to be dumb
MV-82 defines what box to check for vehicle
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Hey now IM not the one breaking the law and turning mark into a crooked cop with your bad influence
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This is going to be sweet when they impound your brand new truck haha
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good thing we can call you for a CDL driver!
I had no idea they wouldn't R permit a tow rig n trailer with commercial plates on the tow rig. NY is so dumb. Why the hell did they have to get rid of the non-cdl C??
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Your loan and insurance people might have something to say about where you register it as well. My trailer had a loan and the bank got its panties in a bunch because it was registered in Maine. I would have had to change it, but I sold it before they really forced me.
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poopy.
just did a quick reread and the only way to really be legal is a full-on CDL-A with med card and everystuff. Bah!
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we should really try this since we now have a legit heavy RV in the family. I still cant find if NY law carriers to Federal and all states. That would be nice to know. the commercial plate pickup thing still kills us.
Recreational Vehicle or “R†endorsement - Recreational vehicles, with or without
air brakes, are not defined as commercial vehicles. You can apply for an “Râ€
endorsement for your Class D, Class E or non-CDL Class C driver license to allow
you to operate a recreational vehicle (RV) with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of over
26,000 pounds (11,794 kg). An “R†endorsement also allows you to drive a rental
vehicle with a length of more than 40 feet for the transportation of personal
household products.
To get an “R†endorsement: Submit a completed Application for Driver License
or ID Card (MV-44), indicating a license amendment, to a state or county motor
vehicle office; pay a permit fee, which is valid for a maximum of two road tests;
and pass a road test in the size and type of vehicle you will drive. No written test
is required. For the road test, a driver who is at least 21 with a license valid for the
vehicle you will drive during the test must accompany you. (e.g., a driver license
with an “R†endorsement or the correct Commercial Driver License). The road test
will take approximately 15 minutes and will include turns, intersections and backing
the vehicle to the curb. When you pass the road test, you must go to a motor vehicle
office and pay the required fee to complete the license amendment process.
Just get your cdl a and take all the questions out of it. Problem solved and now you have one other thing people may need and a opportunity to make money.
Nicks approach works only within NYS. travling over states lines you need trip permits (70-140$ each) and IFTA and im sure other hassels
Because its all BS. Just like the DOT numbers. It's yet again another way to wring money out of us.
So
I bring up the question again...
Why the big worry?
Have any of us ever been pulled over, forcefully weighed and ticketed?
Mike mike doesn't count because he is for hire.
And Nick F is hauling construction equipment that is for hire.
I'm referring to transporting unregistered and or untitled offroad vehicles. Regardless of whether they are in a competition or not.
Just Run it.
Now what Erik? ::)
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First for everything I suppose. But let's be very honest... you don't appear to be private in any way.
By the sounds of the info you just posted, I would still only satisfy NYS DOT.
But I completely agree it's worth the time and money to get that much done.
We know alot of friends and family all well over 26k and no one has ever been bothered in an RV. With or without a trailer.
It's stupid.
So based on the info above I still need a driver with either an R endorsement or a full CDL to accompany me to the test?
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yes, i had Nick go with me
if your thinking of doing it, i think a bunch of us should do it. you pay 10$ at the DMV, then road test is 2-3 months later. have to call and select apointment. that lady was actually very nice to me. Guy at road test- DICK. wont make that mastake again, and call day before, have her tell her employee the deal.
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i dont know if it was my right to not let the DOT officer search my trailer.
search results of your trailer would be same as my trailer. stickers on race car- commerce.
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You can certainly refuse, 4th amendment and all. It may delay your adventure while they attempt to develop a case for obtaining a search warrant, if desired.
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Is there ever a time that refusal goes smoothly? I have the impression: rare but not completely unheard of.
Tapatalking in traffic
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we should really try this since we now have a legit heavy RV in the family. I still cant find if NY law carriers to Federal and all states. That would be nice to know. the commercial plate pickup thing still kills us.
Recreational Vehicle or “R†endorsement - Recreational vehicles, with or without
air brakes, are not defined as commercial vehicles. You can apply for an “Râ€
endorsement for your Class D, Class E or non-CDL Class C driver license to allow
you to operate a recreational vehicle (RV) with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of over
26,000 pounds (11,794 kg). An “R†endorsement also allows you to drive a rental
vehicle with a length of more than 40 feet for the transportation of personal
household products.
To get an “R†endorsement: Submit a completed Application for Driver License
or ID Card (MV-44), indicating a license amendment, to a state or county motor
vehicle office; pay a permit fee, which is valid for a maximum of two road tests;
and pass a road test in the size and type of vehicle you will drive. No written test
is required. For the road test, a driver who is at least 21 with a license valid for the
vehicle you will drive during the test must accompany you. (e.g., a driver license
with an “R†endorsement or the correct Commercial Driver License). The road test
will take approximately 15 minutes and will include turns, intersections and backing
the vehicle to the curb. When you pass the road test, you must go to a motor vehicle
office and pay the required fee to complete the license amendment process.
Just get your cdl a and take all the questions out of it. Problem solved and now you have one other thing people may need and a opportunity to make money.
Nicks approach works only within NYS. travling over states lines you need trip permits (70-140$ each) and IFTA and im sure other hassels
Because its all BS. Just like the DOT numbers. It's yet again another way to wring money out of us.
So
I bring up the question again...
Why the big worry?
Have any of us ever been pulled over, forcefully weighed and ticketed?
Mike mike doesn't count because he is for hire.
And Nick F is hauling construction equipment that is for hire.
I'm referring to transporting unregistered and or untitled offroad vehicles. Regardless of whether they are in a competition or not.
Just Run it.
Now what Erik? ::)
I think that trip permit stuff only if you are driving a vehicle like a dump truck in another state. Me and my buddy almost got in trouble with that last year on the way home from buying a dump truck and my 20 ton trailer down in Maryland. If you were in your private vehicle or RV I'm sure they couldn't say anything just because you got your cdl.
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So why then didn't NYS DMV feel it necessary to mention to me at the time we registered our privately owned 33k lb RV that we needed a special licence to drive it?
Funny that JT, the guy we bought it from owned it for years.
Lived in it full time.
Traveled across the country for 3 years hitting aprox 30 Jeep shows per year, all with a 13-6" Tall × 38' Long Tag Trailer in tow with at least, 2 fully Decaled JEEP JKs inside. Not to mention his 10k dollar Nemesis awning, Nemesis flags, JW Speaker banners, Etc. inside. He never once had anyone, in any state, over all those miles, even look twice at his set up. Let alone pull him over and demand to open up the trailer.
Times are changing I guess. We better play nice!
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Is there ever a time that refusal goes smoothly? I have the impression: rare but not completely unheard of.
Not usually. It really depends on how badly they want to get access. Sometimes, the po-po just have to stuff it and send you on your way. They will typically delay you for as long as possible and make your life as inconvenient as possible. Document everything you can any way you can for potential use later.
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Mountain bike... ;D
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and a GTI
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The FMCSA site sucks
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heading to the DMV tonight
have everything printed out and highlighted so a 5 yr old can understand. only unknown is :
How do I apply for passenger class plates?
You must apply in person at a DMV office.
You must surrender your commercial plates (be sure to remove frames and fasteners), and bring your
a completed Vehicle Registration / Title Application (MV-82) - make sure to complete section 6, question 4
proof of NYS liability insurance 1
the title certificate
proofs of identity and age 2
payment for the fee to register as a Passenger Class ($28.75)
there is only 5 sections on MV-82 :o
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section 4 question 4 is what that should say.
I don't remember that question being in a different location since I've been here, but I don't have any old copies
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section 4 wont apply to me because i wont be registering a PU any more, its a modified PU
these forms and information are so terrible.
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Just be aware that with your passenger plates there would be no GVW listed on the registration. The only weight listed on the registration is 6001. I think this is the only issue with how that is interpreted, especially in other states.
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took two trips and 200$ but done.
2014 Ram Suburban
weighed, re classed, registered. no commercial plates
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How does Tim do it?
Semi would need to be business owned for tax reasons, no? Seems you're definitely "commercial". Also stickers on trailer like Smike noted would be an issue. Jeeps are not stickered/ wrapped. But most rolling that way are.
Why are we jumping though hoops to avoid tickets and no one else has issues?
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ya, DOT would kick his ass in 5 minutes. jersey does allow RV plate on his tractor. he still breaks federal law 26K lbs
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a 2 minute google search says he is a race team and business corporation since 2009....
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there are some shady ways to set things up...
I still don't understand why you don't have everything in an LLC..
There are some advantages to a "race team"
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i dont have an LLC because of the additional regulations the C brings
tax benefits don't exist when you have 0$ of income. No way regardless to offset my taxable Delphi income. (apparently years ago this was possible as i am told from older coworkers who raced)
Trying to make something not look like a hobby is a waste of books time.
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valid points..
I was thinking more the liability of it all...