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Title: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 08:59:45 AM
Did some recovery work last night and pulled 2 pickups burried to the frame out of a swamp one being a new Power Wagon.  Today the jeep has no electricity after sitting on a battery charger all night and won't start.  Thinking it is not the awesome excide orbital since it held a charge reverse lights were stuck on in gear and neutral yesterday and some funky dash lights so its being towed for some repair work.  Has anyone had alternator issues from too much winching?
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: Wingman on March 22, 2013, 09:07:50 AM
silly JKs...
Title: Re: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: dubt on March 22, 2013, 09:09:22 AM
silly JKs...
ha ga ;D
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
take the battery out, let the CPU system reboot

you really should not charge a battery while it’s still hooked up to a vehicle.. unless its specifically a maintainer or goes through the cig lighter..

messes up the computer…  have at least one person each year leaving storage who learns this the hard way.
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: jacel86 on March 22, 2013, 09:16:26 AM
That engo does some work!
Title: New Style Jeep
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2013, 09:17:20 AM
Civic!
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2013, 09:18:12 AM
seems silly to not charge when hooked to car- but i dont have new vehicals.  jks have some goofy shit.


what does a DVM read on the battery?
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 09:21:06 AM
trust me...
 read any battyer charger.. says it should be disco'd from the vehicle especially with CPUS
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2013, 09:32:06 AM
it certainly could make sense to me that as the batt dies the computer could get angry and store some corrupt values, and then without disconnect it could be unhappy even with voltage again.

the charger thing could make sense too depending on how clean and accurate of a 14v it's sending out.
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
the capacitors in the computer also store a charge so unless its disconnected for a while it retains memory of faults and code.. also your favorite radio stations ;D
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
trust me...
 read any battyer charger.. says it should be disco'd from the vehicle especially with CPUS


i test this shit for a living-
auto manufactures cant rely on what shitty jap chargers say on the side / unfortunatly we have to idiot proof things.

GM requires a 26volt jump start test- SMOV (static minimum operating voltage) for most components is 5.5-6.2Vdc
i cant imagine DXler requires component failure anything less


Being that the system is so "smart" i doubt there are any CPU issues. 





i would guess smoked alternator and dead cell in the battery, but i would have to observe 1 or 2 things
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 09:49:12 AM
well I’m glad the Japs and the Americans have it down... but all the German cars we try jumping  or have chargers not tenders always leave with a CEL on..

that JK German or Italian?

Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2013, 09:51:31 AM
way less RandD on 100K+  thats why they are so expensive :)
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 10:03:47 AM
Alternator checks out at the shop truck had probably 10 minutes of winching last night in 3 minute pulls of almost stalled out. Were gonna test the battery cause it runs OK off a jump box

Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2013, 10:11:15 AM
if it runs off the jump box that's 100% battery.

boo. second Excide orbital I've seen fail after some abuse :(
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 10:34:56 AM
warranty
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2013, 10:37:58 AM
warranty

:(
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 10:39:47 AM
This was serious abuse.   After a jump start and a strong charge and a battery test everything works out OK for now.  Mechanic is slightly suspect of the battery but its gonna charge the rest of the day and we will see if there are any more issues.
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 10:43:02 AM
warranty

:(

cant warranty a freebie....
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: mr.mindless on March 22, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
how strong is the alt in the JK? with your heavy winching use you may want to think about a meangreen or something to up that ampreage and keep the battery well juiced through said abuse
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 10:46:56 AM
I paid for the battery last winter when I did the winch.  Hopefully it charges up and there are no more issues.   Currently important to fix ie excessive play in the front gear set.

Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 10:51:13 AM
I'm gonna look into a mean green. Current is 90a but that's just a vague estimate
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2013, 10:54:49 AM
I paid for the battery last winter when I did the winch.

not u
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: M4wdFab on March 22, 2013, 11:23:00 AM
ill give two a try in 572.  i have good and bad with yellow tops. 
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 11:26:42 AM
I love the battery it has done awesome. And if its good after being winched on hard after a jump start then that's a solid endorsement
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: matt on March 22, 2013, 12:15:56 PM
Did some recovery work last night and pulled 2 pickups burried to the frame out of a swamp one being a new Power Wagon. 

Was this by the airport by any chance?
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: awl4928 on March 22, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
Yes it was behind the airport off fisher road
Title: Re: New Style Jeep
Post by: matt on March 25, 2013, 09:48:17 AM
Yup saw that driving home from class.

Drove by those guys and said to myself "What were they thinking"   ???