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Projects place => Projects Section => Topic started by: Ryan on September 10, 2012, 12:46:31 PM

Title: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on September 10, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
Still looking fro a ZJ or WJ

http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3255017067.html
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 10, 2012, 12:47:19 PM
Nice, but far away

http://poconos.craigslist.org/cto/3256683504.html
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: M4wdFab on September 10, 2012, 12:49:11 PM
the ZJ in my lot needs and oil pan and some rear axle setup work.  talked to the guy, seems to just want it to sit there and not sell it though.
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 10, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
5.9 in Scranton

http://binghamton.craigslist.org/ctd/3239149094.html
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2012, 09:00:35 PM
Chad has a zj with blown motor he said $450
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 10, 2012, 09:11:55 PM
I don't want to work on anything. I'm old and lazy.
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 10, 2012, 10:12:46 PM
if i was to do it again i would definitely do a niner or a 4.7L WJ

i know you had a ZJ and probably know all this, but i'll just throw it out there.  i didnt know till i had spent years reading/working on Grands

a wj is 63.5 WMS where a ZJ/XJ/TJ is 60. something to consider with an axle swap using, say, a  8.8 at 59.5 WMS (wheel spacers would work and would be needed to convert from 5x5 to 5x4.5

WJs only come with cv shafts in the font axle. if you want ujoints you have to have custom inner shafts made

96-04 Grands with a v8 have the 44a rearend. its safe to 33s locked and 35s locked and trussed. all niners have lsd, some others do. obviously lsd means no aussie. iirc, the shafts are only 0.012" smaller than the 8.8 shafts. problem is the tubes spin in the alum housing.

niners have e-fan stock

most v8s have a 6ball cv joint at the axle end of the front driveshaft. if you lift it over 2 inches you have to convert to a regular ujoint.
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: KingtheZJ on September 19, 2012, 09:51:17 PM
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f153/99-lifted-jeep-grand-cherokee-4x4-4-7-v8-114-xxx-miles-2900-a-1419037/

potential
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: orange anchor on September 20, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Ryan you should just buy a side by side and a little trailer for behind the durango
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 20, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
Those things are too expensive.  :'(
Title: Grand Cherokee
Post by: GBR928 on September 20, 2012, 02:53:57 PM
5.9 in Scranton

http://binghamton.craigslist.org/ctd/3239149094.html

Haha the mikes and I were just wheeling off of keyser ave this past weekend.
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 23, 2012, 05:48:29 PM
http://hickory.craigslist.org/cto/3243993293.html
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 26, 2012, 09:16:43 AM
http://www.nc4x4.com/forum/index.php?threads/96-dodge-viper-rt-10-its-a-beast.127253/#post-1047002

(http://www.nc4x4.com/forum/index.php?attachments/img_4771-jpg.52682/)
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: mr.mindless on September 26, 2012, 09:43:22 AM
better than a ZJ.
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 30, 2012, 08:19:18 PM
I really like this, its too much money for what it is.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/misc-stuff-sale/1092422-buggy-project-1800-a.html
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: M4wdFab on September 30, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
looking at buggies again?
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on September 30, 2012, 09:31:42 PM
Looking at everything. :))

Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: M4wdFab on September 30, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
yeessssss

http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3307656210.html
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on October 01, 2012, 07:22:37 AM
Hope does not look like it's a4x4
Title: Grand Cherokee
Post by: mr.mindless on October 01, 2012, 08:12:12 AM
Hope is named Hope!
Title: Grand Cherokee
Post by: etk300ex on October 01, 2012, 08:23:12 AM
Hope looks like it should be in mikes back yard :)
Title: Grand Cherokee
Post by: mr.mindless on October 01, 2012, 08:40:56 AM
Maybe Subies next time around?!

Hahaha
Title: Re: Grand Cherokee
Post by: Ryan on October 03, 2012, 10:38:57 AM
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/3284775579.html
Title: Grand Cherokee
Post by: mr.mindless on October 03, 2012, 12:06:35 PM
Looks familiar
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 10:17:44 AM
Liz and I talked about it last night and decided to get another small buggy.

We both liked how Atom performed for trail riding. It was nimble and smooth on the rocks. The race buggy was too rough because of a lack of low low gearing.

We want to get another buggy that is light, but has some room for a cooler and tools.  2 seater

I have some options to consider. Do a transaxle (front or rear mount) or do a Tracker/Samurai engine trans-tcase like Atom was in the beginning. The Samurai case held up to the 1.3/1.6 engine. It did not like to big block 2.0/

Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
I would prefer to buy a incomplete project. But a cheap chassis might be a good start as well.

Waggy 44s or Toyota axles. NO tons

37" tires.

Bare bones, not fancy.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 10:24:48 AM
http://www.rc4x4.org/rcforum/index.php?topic=18272.0
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: rejeep on October 05, 2012, 10:28:12 AM
180?
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Nick on October 05, 2012, 10:49:18 AM
Tow rig and trailer time again  :)
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: rejeep on October 05, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
yup.. and then not enough room for the kids....

Vicious cycle
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2012, 11:10:21 AM
Tow rig and trailer time again  :)

he's got the sweet Durango!!
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
We already have many trailers, and I can tow it witht he Durango, or pick up if I choose to get another one. Even a GC with a V8 will tow fine.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2012, 11:23:02 AM
so silly
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2012, 11:23:44 AM
i will be laughing the first dana30 stub shaft you blow so hard ill have to go take a nap after
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
if I was ever to start over I'd go Zuk, 6.5:1 w/toy flanges, toy axles.  Cheap, light, nimble, schrong enough.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 11:54:35 AM
i will be laughing the first dana30 stub shaft you blow so hard ill have to go take a nap after

Waggy 44s with Chromos will be plenty strong, Toy with Longs plenty strong too.

The stock Scout 44s on Atom never broke a shaft. The spindles fell off, but the shafts were fine.  ;D

Eroc is a smart man.

Transaxle might be interesting, lighter and more compact. Driveshafts are where I have issues all the time.

Transaxle is alway in a 4:1ish low range, outputs are large enough, driveshaft adapters are non-existant. Either custom made or welding shit up.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
Whole 'zuk.  Enclosed with wipers and heat?  Still cheap and light...
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 12:05:18 PM
Liz is scared of Samurais.  :'(
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
tracker then?  haha
 
is zuk tcase the same for auto and standard?
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
Samurais never had auto.

They are divorced mount cases, will work on anythign
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 12:12:39 PM
sidekick must have then?  i know theres some kind of swap they do
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 12:16:48 PM
Track/Kick did have auto, I had one in Atom. 2 wheel drive will bolt in and work on the 1.3. Or make a sweet doubler like we did in Atom.  ;D
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 12:21:04 PM
Ah OK.  Divorced toy adapters are few and far between.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2012, 01:05:50 PM
Transaxle might be interesting, lighter and more compact. Driveshafts are where I have issues all the time.

Transaxle is alway in a 4:1ish low range, outputs are large enough, driveshaft adapters are non-existant. Either custom made or welding shit up.

it should be "easy" to use the inner CV joint and part of the axle shaft from the car's axles and adapt to a splined stub on the other end to accept a yoke.

CVs do have some plunge capability to them though, so that could make things interesting and maybe not that easy. Could certainly be the head of a 2 piece on one end, and set up the links on the other end to be the proper geometry that there's nearly no plunge through travel & articulation and just use the CV and no other slip. Could be done but hard to design around.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
This is how they be doin it

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Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
I like that idea.

The only problem I see is placement of the motor/transaxle. Seems it would leave a short front or rear driveshaft, depending on the way you orientate the motor (front engine or rear engine)
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 01:28:45 PM
A traditional t-case set up you get the t-case in the middle(ish) of the car
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
whats wrong with short?
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2012, 01:34:00 PM
Toss Liz and put the engine in the passenger seat...  ;D
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 01:36:38 PM
whats wrong with short?

Too short, is the problem.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2012, 01:36:50 PM
I like that idea.

The only problem I see is placement of the motor/transaxle. Seems it would leave a short front or rear driveshaft, depending on the way you orientate the motor (front engine or rear engine)

jackshafts to pillow bearings to run identical driveshafts front and rear.... makes it even easier to run stock CV axles to those pillow blocks.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 01:38:06 PM
whats wrong with short?

Too short, is the problem.

plenty of guys running them
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
specially with 2 seats and storage room, no prob bob
Title: Small buggy
Post by: Liz_rn on October 05, 2012, 04:28:36 PM
You're married you should know better than that :)

Did not like the samurai at all and hated the way the profender buggy rode. I liked atom.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2012, 04:33:42 PM
man, that is rough comming from profender wife


haha
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Wingman on October 05, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
You're married you should know better than that :)

I am and I do.   :-[

 ;D
Title: Small buggy
Post by: Liz_rn on October 05, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
Ryan said it was the way it was geared. The shocks were awesome  :)
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 04:42:46 PM
http://www.zukikrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=49144
Title: Small buggy
Post by: etk300ex on October 05, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Looks like a sweet hawg.  Very odd drivetrain.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: M4wdFab on October 05, 2012, 05:23:14 PM
suspension and gearing are two completely unrelated things


i think HP agreeing with driver was the main problem liz :) 
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 05, 2012, 05:31:35 PM
She did not like how it was not slow in the rocks. She should have explained better. It rode fine, until the rock parts, like rock creek. Then it was not geared low enough to make it smooth.
Title: Small buggy
Post by: Liz_rn on October 05, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
What he said ^
Title: Small buggy
Post by: mr.mindless on October 05, 2012, 11:11:02 PM
Go faster and plane out!
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 08, 2012, 03:07:45 PM
This is decent. Except for the pink paint.

http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/index.php?topic=122490.0
Title: Small buggy
Post by: mr.mindless on October 08, 2012, 03:10:18 PM
No papers sucks. Would be a sweet ice cream machine.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: KingtheZJ on October 09, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/vehicles-trailers-sale/1096218-fs-94-zj-d44-8-8-35-pbrs-exo-cage.html

FS: 94 ZJ, d44, 8.8, 35" PBRs, exo cage

I just don't seem to have time to enjoy this rig, so I am putting her up for sale so someone may be able to.

I bought the jeep about a year ago bone stock and after I barrel rolled my built 93 ZJ. I swapped everything over from my 93 to this 94 within the last year.

Here are the specs:
94 Limited Grand Cherokee
5.2 with ~140k miles
231 transfer case
46RH transmission

Front axle is a d44 out of a 1990 Grand Wagoneer. It has chromoly shafts, CTM u-joints, warn premium hubs, 4.88 gears, Aussie locker, and one ton steering from ECGS.

Rear axle is an 8.8 out of an explorer. 6 lug chromoly shafts from Dutchman, detroit locker, and 4.88 gears.

Has Clayton longarms and Clayton skid.
BDS 6" springs.
35x12.5 r15 Pitbull Rocker radials with less than 500 miles on them.
Corbeau Ultra wide front seats with 5 point cam lock harnesses.
Exo cage built by M&M Offroad (exo cage goes through the roof and floor board behind front seats, seats are tied into cage)
Front ARB bumper with Warn 9000i winch.
Custom rear bumper with swing out tire carrier.

Jeep is street legal and has current tags and registration, but I trailer it back and forth to the trail. This is not a DD, but can be driven on the road.

I am sure I am forgetting some things. I really don't want to get rid of it, but life seems to dictate otherwise.

Price is $7,800
Located in Winston-Salem, NC
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 09, 2012, 03:21:36 PM
Way too much money.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: M4wdFab on October 09, 2012, 03:45:08 PM
for your goal or for that rig? 



long list of spendy things there..
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 11, 2012, 06:57:22 PM
I am leaning heavily to a front engine transaxle setup.

Waggy 44s or Toyota axles. 37" tires.
Title: Small buggy
Post by: Liz_rn on October 11, 2012, 07:01:10 PM
Lets get something bought.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 11, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
After christmas.
Title: Re: Small buggy
Post by: Ryan on October 14, 2012, 05:21:39 PM
http://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/3338162445.html