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Title: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 04, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
So a few weeks ago or maybe about a month ago when Smike and I went to rausch creek in the snow, I snapped my cable shifter on the first trail of the day. Managed to finagle a set of vice grips onto the lever and working that's all weekend through the floor. It definitely made for some interesting wheeling considering I could not use my shoulder harnesses because then I would not be able to reach the vice grips.

 So a couple nights ago while looking 4trailers parts to make a solid link mount shifter... I realized that the second lever above the shift lever on the transmission was for a throttle pressure linkage and not kick down cable.

 Having not ever had hooked that up I've been running low pressure in my transmission since day 1. Anxious to see how it will perform when is connected to the throttle.

 I've never heard of a throttle pressure linkage  set up on a transmission before has anybody else?

 This is a torque flight 999
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on April 04, 2012, 07:04:39 PM
Yes..
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 04, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
th400 with a small block, just give it up already!      ;D
Title: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on April 05, 2012, 07:04:55 AM
Haha.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 05, 2012, 10:11:16 PM
sorry i forgot...

 :o
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 05, 2012, 10:15:39 PM
I ordered new Rod Ends From Summit In the hopes of getting some new linkage built this weekend. But The 5/16" Stainless Threaded Rod i received Was mistakenly Labeled as the 3/8" i had ordered.  :-\

But Summit is awesome and said keep it, we will send you the 3/8" ASAP.
oh well,
Title: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on April 05, 2012, 10:23:42 PM
Threaded rod in stock at Fastenal?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 06, 2012, 12:03:38 PM
Im stopping by today. I wanted stainless but at this point ill settle for zinc coated.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on April 06, 2012, 12:51:54 PM
i grabbed a 10' chunk from surplus last time for stuff like this...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 21, 2012, 08:18:12 AM
So I'm starting to think that all this breakage is contagious.

 Or more specifically lack of maintenance on my part. I guess you can only leave your Jeep in the shop for 3 months... never touch it, throw it on a trailer and go wheeling with no issues a limited number of times.

Broken / Messed up Parts List

All wheelbearings fried ( too much creek wheeling)

3 broken high steer arm bolts

Steering heims shot

14 bolt diff cover leaking (bottom 3 bolts missing or not recognizable)

60 diff cover just refuses to hold fluids anymore ( even the chocolate milk)

Powersteering pulley has begun to slip on the pump shaft. Hydro steering almost being negated.  Saginaw no keyway

3 out of 8 front johnny joints ( hosed)

Exhaust down pipe cracked (again)

Passenger front Bogger (RIP) ¹¹ years old

Front drive shaft - death wobble (dirty dancing with too many sharp rocks)

But thanks to Dan @Ruffstuff having a sale on hiems last week... I have a BIG box coming.



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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 21, 2012, 08:53:04 AM
sounds about what i did in two laps this race, haha
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 14, 2013, 12:14:10 PM
Did some long overdue maintenance yesterday and installed some new front axle joints.

Driver side install went smooth as glass.
The bushings in the joints on both sides of the axle were hosed.
During re installation of the passenger side hub and drive flange she needed some persuasion with he LFH to align the splines of the drive flange, hub and stub shaft.
Nothing major just needed a nudge to get started.
Now she wont freewheel by hand in nuetral.

Bearings and races are all relatively new and in good shape and all repacked.

Keep in mind...
Second to last trip we did "Kiss" a 4ft tall bridge pier with that side wheel while attempting a muddy hill climb at full throttle. Prob 10mph
Sheared a grade 8 - 5/8" dia bolt in one of the steering heims.

Opinions?
Bent knuckle
Bent stub shaft
Bent spindle

All of the above


Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on October 14, 2013, 12:17:30 PM
most of those components break and dont bent.  i think your fine
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 14, 2013, 12:29:54 PM
If it was fine why won't it spin?

I guess you'd need to pop the drive flange to check anything
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on October 14, 2013, 12:40:19 PM
id guess twisted splines.  Im not sure i understand "wont free wheel in neutral by hand"


F'd spindle needle bearings will do this, id inspect the inner (stock?) shaft for spine twists ect.  i have twisted / broke 4340 shafts with only spicer joints before. 


give the knuckle a good look around the arm for cracks.  was the nylon bushing hosed from the bidge hit?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 14, 2013, 12:42:40 PM
Everything spun fine B4 drive flange went in.
Just thought I should prob rule out brakes by removing caliper also.
Maybe throw it in FWD while the lift, watch and listen.

IDK she is gonna get run regardless.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 14, 2013, 12:45:05 PM
could be something as simple as brake drag too.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 14, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
hah, slow typer
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 14, 2013, 12:47:10 PM
Not sure about twisted splines... the flange wouldnt even start w/o hammer.
But still why would that affect spinning.

Chromo in and out

Did not disassemble passenger knuckle. Seemed fine.

Driver side got all new parts and I used your trick welding the top cone to the knuckle.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 14, 2013, 12:56:40 PM
I bet it's just brake drag unless you were able to spin things before the R&R
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on October 14, 2013, 01:22:14 PM
Sounds broken, burn it.  ;D

Does the other side spin?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 14, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
welded diffs in that unit I believe
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 14, 2013, 01:41:49 PM
I honestly didnt notice if it spun freely or not before.
Yes welded diffs.

I better check my insurance policy.
1985 CJ 7 kinda sorta thing with no title?
Covered
Lets burn it.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 03, 2013, 09:43:50 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/03/uzyhaqa8.jpg)

RV Ghosts

Anyone able to explain the overall functions of this little control module?
Does it have remote capabilities? No visible antenna. All we have is a hard wired switch to operate it.

At random times the rear 12v electric roll up door goes up by itself. Ive never seen nor heard  it first hand. But it seem to happen more when plugged into the shop. We did find it up once while traveling. But cant confirm if it was down when we departed. Maybe a garage door opener interference?

Planning to call the manufacturer next week.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Wingman on November 03, 2013, 09:55:23 AM
Lets burn it.

 ;D
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 03, 2013, 09:59:37 AM
C:-)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 28, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
Anyone have an extra Hawse Fairlead available?

I bought a new synthetic winch rope for my warn and opted not to purchase a new hawse fairlead because I remember having one sitting around the shop.

But as luck would have it I cant find it.



Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 30, 2013, 04:06:29 PM
Hf doesnt have any and nothing listed on website.
I swore they used to sell them seperatly.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 05, 2014, 08:49:22 AM
Can one of the Buggy guys give me recommendation on material thickness for aluminum roof and side panels?
Thanks
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on February 05, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
1/8“ roof. 1/16" sides.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on February 05, 2014, 09:01:34 AM
I used some. 040" sides on mine. They are very thin and just don't hold up.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 05, 2014, 09:43:51 AM
Cool.
Thanks
Not sure why I didn't just do a roof in the first place?
I always wheel w a bikini top anyway.
::)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: orange anchor on February 05, 2014, 10:25:14 AM
I used whatever was free mine is 1/8" on top and sides are made from ski view signs with ad removed.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 05, 2014, 11:09:06 AM
Lol
Ryan that new supplier down the block from you is open I assume?
You check them out yet?
Other wise Pacemaker in Manchester gave me some good prices on DOM Tube figured I'd compare both prices.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on February 05, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
Not sure if they are open yet, I dont see much going on there anytime.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on February 05, 2014, 01:54:56 PM
Check the grade of the roof aluminum.  Stuff on 571 is way stronger than what we just got for the two cars.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on February 05, 2014, 02:09:52 PM
Ryan only leaves the house when the keg runs out lol
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on February 05, 2014, 02:33:05 PM
Ryan only leaves the house when the keg runs out lol

Or to dance class.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 05, 2014, 03:36:41 PM
Check the grade of the roof aluminum.  Stuff on 571 is way stronger than what we just got for the two cars.
K
thanks mike
I don't want it peeling back on the interstate.
LOL

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Nick on February 05, 2014, 04:20:26 PM
Haha like the mattresses on the tops if cars
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 06, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Yup
Or foam insulation boards from Homedepot.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 07, 2014, 07:59:55 PM
Went to Pacemaker steel in manchester today to pickup some tube and Aluminum sheet.

I took Mark "skippy" with me. And we got the facility tour with the VP.

Nice company. Eager to please.

Pricing for future reference

.125 X48X96 3003-h14 aluminum sheet
$116.00
.125X48X120 3003-h14 aluminum sheet
$180.00
.063×48×120 300 3-3 14 aluminum sheet
$80.00

1-1/4 × .095 × 20 HREW Tube $20.00

1-3/4 × .120 × DOM back ordered price TBD



Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 10, 2014, 03:17:58 PM
$3.90 per ft for 1-3/4 × .120 wall Dom
From Pacemaker Steel
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on February 10, 2014, 03:25:49 PM
Build a race car. Make 2015 KOH during LCQ.  ;D
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on February 11, 2014, 01:01:05 PM
LCQ looked pretty easy compared to any of the other qualifiers lol
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on February 27, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
I guess it's too late to add the neutral safety switch option.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/28/9agumaja.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 05, 2014, 01:06:11 PM
What are used Sway Away Air Shocks worth?
2-2"×16"
2-2.5"×16"
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 05, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
i got 700 shipped for my four 2.5 airs and one needed a shaft and end.

id ask 400 for the 2.5's
300 for the 2.0's
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 05, 2014, 03:14:39 PM
K thanks
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 06, 2014, 07:59:29 AM
        http://www.davesoffroadsupply.com/Maxxis_c_100.html (http://www.davesoffroadsupply.com/Maxxis_c_100.html)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: GBR928 on March 06, 2014, 09:01:47 AM

        http://www.davesoffroadsupply.com/Maxxis_c_100.html (http://www.davesoffroadsupply.com/Maxxis_c_100.html)


Hmm not bad pricing! You won't need those for RCROCS or line mountain though. Maybe the 37's??


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 06, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
Not stickies but for rock crawling

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 06, 2014, 09:23:39 AM
BFG are $1000 less......
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 06, 2014, 09:24:09 AM
For 4. So I guess $500 less for 5
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 06, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
Ok  good to know. What about Kr2's Ryan
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 06, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
id like some BFG projects for this year to beat on
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 06, 2014, 10:21:09 AM
You know... like the bald ones smike drives.  But with tread.
;)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 06, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
just you wait, when you spend 2000$ on tires, and then one weekend later they look like all of my tires.

o wait, you didnt put a real motor in yet, so you will be fine. 8)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 06, 2014, 10:25:22 AM
Lol
touché
Yea Boggers seem like they have a much longer life expectancy.
hey wait... i did just spend over 2k on tires
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on March 06, 2014, 11:00:45 AM
tires in the sub $100 range is where its at!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 06, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
my brand new boggers are already showing right foot wear pretty good.  they are not a rocks tire at all.  even took some serous hits on your tree roots and in corning. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
Ok  good to know. What about Kr2's Ryan

KRT? $500 per tire

Just priced some 42" Krawlers. Ummm, not cheap. $750 tire
But 42" KR are $400
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: orange anchor on March 07, 2014, 11:57:20 AM
Ryan what are you gonna run on the new jeep? 40.5" or 43"
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
Pit Bull Rockers so I can go anywhere with a stock Jeep.  ;D
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 07, 2014, 12:20:56 PM
picture of the 42 KR?  is that a sticky for only 400$?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 07, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Yes what is this super cheap tire you speak of?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 07, 2014, 02:45:03 PM
Pit Bull Rockers so I can go anywhere with a stock Jeep.  ;D

LoL

>:D
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 03:49:04 PM
Its the real name for "projects"
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 07, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
but a 42?  i didnt know they made a 42 project- are they a 17 or 20?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
Its on the secret website. 20" wheel
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 06:53:35 PM
I don't think the kr is a sticky. It's a desert race tire.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 07:03:02 PM
Copied form the website

OFF ROAD RACE
42x13.50-20 KR
PART #: 16611
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2014, 07:04:18 PM
Link to them on BFG

http://www.bfgoodrichracing.com/desert-racing-bfgoodrich-baja-ta-kr/
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 07, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
I'd run the 39's for rausch creek races. And save the boggers. At that price
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: GBR928 on March 10, 2014, 02:49:48 PM
When are you going to race this hawg?


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 10, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Soon grasshopper soon
Not gonna be this spring
But maybe I can rent a car?

::)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on March 10, 2014, 10:59:46 PM
He already told me "no"... ;)


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 11, 2014, 08:05:54 AM
We could always call it a test drive after a non-refundable deposit;D;D
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2014, 09:28:50 AM
its 20hrs of labor to get it to as clean as it is right now with a zero mile trans, 2 brand new rear shocks, and brand new tins.

thats a rental fee you would be better off buying the car...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 11, 2014, 10:26:59 AM
Smike I had no idea.
New tins?
You feeling ok?
Well that changes everything
Polish that girl up!

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2014, 12:01:46 PM
i worked on the car for a week straight last month while i had some down time between customer work.  It was stripped down to the bare chassis motor / trans pulled, and power washed for 2 hours.  entire chassis was wire wheeled and stripped of rust / debris.  All welds inspected and only tree bar areas found cracks and repairs made.  Chassis painted hammer black New fresh build trans installed, 2 new rear shocks installed, and new tins.  All exterior tin hardware changed to new stainless steel allen cap.  roof stripped, might build a new hood.

underside / drivetrain is race prepped with 20miles on it.  Has big boy brakes now. needs nothing to race.  has 4.10 gears currently and yukon super shafts with beat KRTs on H2's.  GPS and Radio have been pulled.  New Lifetime LED tail lights to install.  Bumpers meet line MT rules.

have 4.56 gears to swap in or put 5.38's in.  bolt the seats back in- other wise its a new car ready for race season or or wreck it for 10 years.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 11, 2014, 12:05:47 PM
it will go up for ~$25K when its nice outside and get some good pics  I can make that number go down $5K or up $10K in a day of bolting or unbolting stuff on or off depending on the deal....
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 12, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
Just read a recent post on line mtn rules...
My orbital needs to be outside my firewall?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on March 13, 2014, 09:23:40 AM
is that what it says?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 13, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
Gotta look it up.
Busy plowing white crap
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: cracker on March 13, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
Official Rcrocs Race Series 2014 COMPETITION RULES AND REGULATIONS
http://www.rc4x4.org/rcforum/index.php/topic,20913.50.html
As for the orbital. it needs to be behind the cowl and not in the cab. Safty reasons with the hot oil incase something happens.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on March 13, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
I'm all set!  I can do 0.2 laps/hour lol
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 12:04:39 PM
You guys have recommendations for shops to do service on our RV?
Looking to have the Duramax cooling system flushed and Allison transmission serviced for the new season.

Ballantyne won't service the transmission so they recommended Tracey in henrietta.
I know Mike has had experience with Regional.
I'm obviously more concerned with quality service over price with this machine!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on April 01, 2014, 12:07:45 PM
Cant any Chevy/MD truck dealer do that work?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 12:10:40 PM
From previous experience... no.
It's too big for their shops and lifts.
That's also why Ballantyne won't touch it.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 12:12:45 PM
Sorry i missed the MD in your post.
I don't know of one
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Wingman on April 01, 2014, 12:46:26 PM
I took my junk to Smith Heavy Equipment but I wouldn't recommend them for the RV.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 12:47:38 PM
I was thinking about Jared shop... but it's a long drive for me especially if I need to leave it for a day.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: cracker on April 01, 2014, 01:11:39 PM
you could try Dave's Towing in Honeoye  585-229-2070, I am pretty sure they do MD stuff.. just don't expect great customer service.. Dave can be a grumpy asshole.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: cracker on April 01, 2014, 01:14:13 PM
if you want/can do the work yourself.. I could ask Shea if you could use the lift in his shop.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
I would but I don't have the time. Cabinets to build and install for waiting customers. ;)

I last changed the oil in Vail Colorado in a Walmart parking lot on our drive back to NY in September.
I don't know the status of the coolant. It could be original. Only 17k miles on a 9 year old RV. :/
Same with Transmission. .. i don't know the status. I assume all is original.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
Forgot about Farmington Service
Gonna check w them
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
coolant changes suck on those.  the hose isnt at the bottom of the radiator and its burried.... if its anything like a truck 06'
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
Called a few more places and no go.
Tracey equip sent me to east Syracuse Chevrolet. .. :(
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
Seems no one will touch GM diesel.
Internet search for  medium duty gm service gives no gm results
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on April 01, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
I have seem them for sale at Ballentyne........
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 01:50:25 PM
Yea they have had 2 recently. But won't service them. Wtf.
Calling camping world
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on April 01, 2014, 01:53:50 PM
thats why I went with a gas motor in the Nu Way NPR..
no good HD Diesel in Rochester..

DiCarlos maybe..
smaller guys might do it..
Diesel Haus?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 01:58:13 PM
Camping world said they will do oil change coolant flush and trans service but can't flush trans.
Waiting for email quote... :/
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
thats why I went with a gas motor in the Nu Way NPR..
no good HD Diesel in Rochester..

DiCarlos maybe..
smaller guys might do it..
Diesel Haus?

I was about to call Di carols... but the two previous calls told me no,
 so I was getting discouraged with local shops.
Need heard of diesel ha us

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on April 01, 2014, 02:11:03 PM
conway beam?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 01, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
No called yet.
Went back to work for a while.
Prob a necessity to pay for massive amounts of fluids to be changed in this beast.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on April 01, 2014, 03:02:47 PM
I'm assuming Regional won't do the GM side but I know they do work on Alison trannies.

I think Ryder on Jefferson does service.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Nick on April 01, 2014, 04:13:43 PM
I used this small shop in Williamson that just does big stuff like dump trucks and semi. Steve's truck repair it's on railroad street in Williamson. Give him a call he might not have a problem doing it.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Nick on April 01, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Also try JME here in Ontario right on 104 I have seen some decent size stuff there a lot of new bigger stuff.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on April 01, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
M4
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on April 01, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
M4 shut down- time to go racing
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on April 01, 2014, 07:29:32 PM

M4 shut down- time to go racing

Kim has Spanish tomorrow, I'll bring some beer over and see if I can stop progress - assuming you'll be working.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: dubt on April 01, 2014, 08:52:53 PM
I'm down for a night out wed
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 02, 2014, 05:38:47 PM
if you want/can do the work yourself.. I could ask Shea if you could use the lift in his shop.
Thanks Aaron forgot to say,
I really appreciate the offer.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 02, 2014, 05:41:49 PM
Thanks for all the advice guys.
Caledonia RV came highly recommended for diesel RV work.
Preliminary Appt scheduled. Waiting on price quote.

Camping world quoted  just oer 1200.00.
Individual prices were reasonable... im on the fence about being the Dick that shows up with all his own parts. :l
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: cracker on April 02, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
if you want/can do the work yourself.. I could ask Shea if you could use the lift in his shop.
Thanks Aaron forgot to say,
I really appreciate the offer.


yeah I know you are busy... have you got any figures for us yet?  no huge hurry just wanted to make sure we did not miss them somewhere...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 02, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Was planning to work up something before the end of this week.
I have time avail next week to get working on it if the boss likes the price!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 09, 2014, 03:09:02 PM
Off to Caledonia RV
They quoted almost 500 less than camping world for same work.
And came with better recommendations.
The sun is shining... let's go wheeling
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2014, 04:23:43 PM
my tech stores his camper there, he was pleased with service and cost. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 09, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
these were the switches i ended up with

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pco-5513pt 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 09, 2014, 02:26:10 PM
Cool thanks mike
Found them on amazon also
20 amps
275 +12 shipping for pack of 25
Don't need 25 and Summit shipping is awesomeness

Circles are way easier to cut then rectangles.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 09, 2014, 02:50:55 PM
i need one that's 3 position with center off for my radiator control, not so important cause it switches ground to a relay pack.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 09, 2014, 02:54:42 PM
Yea thanks for reminding me.

I heard you switch fan speeds over the weekend and I had wanted to do the same.
And same one for winch control
Momentary switch for starter also.

I'm gonna continue with what I have now and replace as needed.
Can LIFETIME supply any waterproof rockers?

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 09, 2014, 02:57:27 PM
I just have the same style you got before.

I could order waterproof in 100 qty from my switch people, It would be cheaper than $14 each....
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 09, 2014, 02:59:08 PM
I have these

http://www.larsonelectronics.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=49817&gclid=CKSDzOT0uL8CFbNzMgoduyQAUw

among others
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 09, 2014, 03:09:51 PM
I get my rectangle-hole Contura switches from Waytek. I keep some in stock. None momentary, idk if they are available. They do have on off on.


Tapatalking in traffic
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 09, 2014, 03:13:29 PM
We have the contoura style, have dpdt, and also momentary spdt for winch. Also some snap together "panels" for the switches.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 09, 2014, 03:23:37 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/10/yjepy7eq.jpg)

Should I be concerned or should I just click ok as usual?
Lol
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 09, 2014, 03:26:55 PM
I dunno  but its a link to that

Cole Hersee Waterproof 25A PVC-Coated Momentary On General Usage Toggle Switch for LED and HID Light
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 09, 2014, 03:30:03 PM
I assume these babies are not in Farmington?

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 09, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
I'd have to look.  On way to b-low
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 14, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
  http://gasketdeals.com/#  (http://gasketdeals.com/#)

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 14, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
What's the general consensus on guage of battery cables and winch power cables?
0 or 1 ga?
I'm looking at about:
 6 ft batteries to master switch
8-9 ft winch to batteries

Anyone use welding cable?





Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 14, 2014, 11:28:27 PM
Welding cable is usually more expensive. 2ga is probably plenty, it's what most winches come with. Are you planning to run your winch through your master? What is it rated for?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 07:53:48 AM
No I wasn't
Winch direct to batteries
I was figuring going heavy to compensate for extra distance.
Most winches come with 5 ft of cable not 8.5
I have 2 ga to get me up and running. I guess I'll upgrade later if necessary.

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
welding cable has more, smaller strands of copper and more HD jacket, more bendable.  For a winch the cables not moving, no real benefit.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 09:16:39 AM
Agreed
Not worth the extra price tag
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
get the HD moroso disconnect- 1000amps continous.  its like 90$  there is nothing else cheaper that will keep up with the draws of racing fans / coolers/ ect
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 10:04:45 AM
My 3rd HF one has been holding for a while now :P
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 10:06:46 AM
I still want to put one of these at my battery
http://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/files/littelfuse/technical%20resources/documents/ch%20docs/littelfuse_d-647.pdf

I don't know if it would really handle winch load, and it's about a $70 experiment
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 10:10:16 AM
Littlefuse is quality
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
i burned up a 500amp continuous 5 finger discount unit already on that car
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 10:15:56 AM
did the winch go through it back then? no way starter load fried a 500a switch...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 10:18:16 AM
no winch ever has gone through
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
Random winch look up Warn M8000: 435 amps @ 12V

I did not know they drew that much
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 11:31:22 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/15/uhuna9um.jpg)

Looks like mine is good.
1500 amps @ 10 seconds
775 @ 1 min
500 @ 5 min
300 continuous

I wasn't planning to run the winch through it... don't see the purpose?
Is it requires for racing
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 11:33:33 AM
not required, the winch may bypass the shutoff - and most do.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
my opinion only 300 amp continuous will fail. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 11:48:42 AM
I dont understand why the failure with these things, piece of copper with a bolt in the middle.  Make it better! lol
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 11:52:12 AM
i would venture they are not made to deal with temperature, moisture, dust, ect.


300 amps in an AC controlled test lab is diff than on a race car that gets power washed lol 

i will say the ones that give you data for different loads are typically higher quality, that have actually be tested / validated.


they do not list the duty cycle recovery time however. 




HF units are like 100 HF amps  :D
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 15, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
100A @ 3 sec
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 15, 2014, 12:02:28 PM
100A @ 3 sec

1% duty, 5 min recovery.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 12:15:00 PM
I went with a marine shut off specifically because of the moisture issues we encounter.

My best guess after looking up my old switch on summit is that it's the Moroso 300 amp 2k surge model.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 15, 2014, 12:22:28 PM
in 572 the two batteries are in the back- i ran ground to chassis, power up to disco supply.  power for winch is then connected to disco supply also.  keeps wire lenght down, only big "hot wire" running around you. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 15, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
I like the idea of not running winch cables all the way to behind the passenger seat. (New location)
Thought it would help transfer some weight to the rear of the Jeep.
I'm focusing on getting jeep up and running now. Swapping battery cables and or shut offs  can be done later I guess if it becomes and issue.


Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 16, 2014, 08:06:56 AM
I'm not even gonna post the size of my current ( no pun intended) disconnect switch.

Let's just say it must have been very inexpensive.
Same model worked fine in both our jeeps... no winch.

I'll give the new one a try can't be worse than the old one.
But def gonna need bigger power lead from battery to disconnect if I attach the winch.

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 16, 2014, 08:37:19 AM
the HF unit does not list a rating
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 16, 2014, 09:27:45 AM
real radiator fans that draw 26amps static plus 4 other fans in the car is probably our difference :) 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 16, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
True true
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 08:02:33 AM
I guess I should order some springs for my coilovers... Prob work better that way.

Where are you guys getting springs?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 08:18:02 AM
Looks like summit has QA1 for 33 dollars.
7" listed in catalog No 8"
Catalog doesn't list inside dimension either.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 08:27:54 AM
Current set up 16" in front
14" in rear
I may swap fronts to 14" but figured I'd decide after I test.

Found 8" in both 200 & 250 but No listing on site for 7 x 200
Was going to start with 200 over 250.
Unless you guys advise otherwise?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 08:49:43 AM
for 16" shocks you need a 18" and 16" spring

For 14" shocks you need a 16" and 14" spring.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 08:50:25 AM
What diamenter coilovers do you have?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 08:52:07 AM
I still have my accounts at blue coil and viper coil.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 08:53:39 AM
he has toooos

you should start with what mike has in 571, basically same setup- you are probably within 300lbs car weight
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 09:29:42 AM
I would expect very close, probably 300-400# heavier with Jeep frame bits, heavier body work, and iron heads.

Do you have access to any race scales? If you do, you can just get it right from the beginning instead of guessing. I don't know my car well enough yet to rattle off spring rates. Some of many things I have left to learn :)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
No scales between now and the weekend.
I can reinstall my air shocks for a test run this weekend.

Prob won't have True weight #s until I finish the build. Winch, front bumper, air tank,  rear storage, tools etc.
But i appreciate all the advice. I was doing carpenter math... 7+7= 14.
:)
Getting anxious to move this pile out of the shop.

Trans and steering Coolers, fittings and hose will be here tomorrow.
She is 90% wired (we shall soon find out how good my memory is)
Fuel system is plumbed
Rear brake lines need to be reworked.
Wrap passenger exhaust (buy more wrap)

Thanks ryan.  I'll put an order together as soon as I get some weight info.

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 09:49:07 AM
Not sure what may be around for spare 2" coils between us, but you can do the math on sit-in to get rough weights too.

I'm pretty sure my coils still have readable numbers, but I'd have to look hard since I haven't washed the car yet. I won't be home tonight so I wouldn't have rough guesses for you until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
No worries. Thanks
Air shocks sound like a good plan for this weekend.
Then I can focus on testing mt or and cooling and electrical systems and not new suspension too
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 10:01:16 AM
i believe 571 rear is 16" 150 over 16" 150

front is 16" 150 over 14" 200



i would recommend buying all 16" springs so you can swap them around as long as the threads go al the way up to the upper eyes.

for that car i would get 3pairs of 150, 1 pair of 200, 1 pair of 250
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 12:50:56 PM
I'll check the shocks and verify thread length.
Thanks smike
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/24/re7ubavy.jpg)

I wouldn't consider this all the way?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
hmmm, ya you cant run 16/16 like the profenders can then.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:13:25 PM
one thing that would be easy to do is measure the pressure in your air shocks


with some look up and math this would give you your corner weights
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
Or I can just call in a favor from my neighbor... maybe she can get me in with DOT?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
well, race scales arent really what you want, you need your sprung weight corners (only what the shock holds up), not total corner weight.

axles / tires are sprung weight.  simplified (!), no effect on spring rates.

granted total weight and some assumptions you can get pretty close.  you just dont want to be running more than 2-3" of pre load if you guess way light especially without limit straps. 

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
Race scale procedure: get corner weights with no springs or shock pressure, sitting on bump stops. Then put the chassis on jackstands off the stops to get the unsprung weight and subtract.

That's my thought, anyway...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
the air shock pressure method is actually the best and simplest- because it cancels out any math from the shocks being at angles assuming your C/Os are mounted the same. 


say 200psi  at right height- your shaft load is 863lbs with a 1 3/8" air shock shaft

so 50/50 droop you want that load about, so 1" preload plus 7" coil compression, that would be a total rate of 108lbs/in

a 200/200 would give you a little less than that, probably be right with a nitrogen charge on the shock. 

reasoning for ratio of upper to lower rate choice i dont know.  typ lower rate if different is larger number.  (only matters if your dual stops are set right)

i could show you the math in 2 min on a white board to get this.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 01:45:25 PM
How else do I figure out the sprung weight then by weighing the entire vehicle first.
Then jack up the chassis to pick it off the bump stops. 
Subtract that measurement from total weight.

Race scales sound perfect.

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:45:44 PM
Race scale procedure: get corner weights with no springs or shock pressure, sitting on bump stops. Then put the chassis on jackstands off the stops to get the unsprung weight and subtract.

That's my thought, anyway...

good idea, add measure angles of shocks at ride height also
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 01:46:35 PM
I forgot about angled shocks. very true.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 01:47:21 PM
Different spring rates offer different dampening effects.
100 over 350 would be better for a rock crawler.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
Need some trig to go from the scales to per-inch weights on the shocks but you're a carpenter. You understand angles :)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
This is may all be a touch too technical for this buggy.
she is no Ultra 4 car
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 01:50:16 PM
100/300 and 200/200 give the same total rate before the dual rate stop but the 100/300 gives you three times the rate after you hit the stop. much more progressive so you don't crash through your travel.

right?  EDIT: no, I think I'm wrong on that. It's not a+b/2 for total rate, it's something else....

I'd think we actually want more progressive on the gofast than for a crawler that wants to end up using all travel.

Things that probably belong in a suspension tuning thread?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 01:50:18 PM
I do understand angles... ;)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
Different spring rates offer different dampening effects.
100 over 350 would be better for a rock crawler.


spring rate does not relate anything to dampening
i believe rock crawlers like single rate (no dual stops, and same upper/lower) because they want smooth consistant suspention travel, not like a racer on an O SHIT jump stop my car from EXPLODING on landing
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:52:13 PM
100/300 and 200/200 give the same total rate before the dual rate stop but the 100/300 gives you three times the rate after you hit the stop. much more progressive so you don't crash through your travel.

right?

I'd think we actually want more progressive on the gofast than for a crawler that wants to end up using all travel.

Things that probably belong in a suspension tuning thread?

almost, but 100/300 is total rate of 75, 200/200 is 100
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
1/Kt = 1/K1 + 1/K2
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 02:07:45 PM

for that car i would get 3pairs of 150, 1 pair of 200, 1 pair of 250

2.5x14x150  2
2.5x16x150  2
2.5x14x200  2
2.5x16x200  2
2.5x14x250  2

That should cover you for most situations. maybe an 18"x200 but I think 2 16" on those will work just fine.

DO you have limit straps?

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 02:10:57 PM
I just checked pricing at VC, looking at about $38 per coil depending on size, Plus shipping.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 02:11:18 PM
K thanks Ryan
No straps yet I need to order  how much shorter then overall shock extension should I order straps?

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 02:12:06 PM
K thanks Ryan
No straps yet I need to order  how much shorter then overall shock extension should I order straps?

I think 2" maybe??
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 02:12:06 PM
I'm happy with that price.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 02:13:40 PM
K
I'll be needing a new rear driveshaft configuration before I can utilize entire shock travel.
Been using center limit strap to help with yoke binding
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 23, 2014, 02:22:42 PM
arent your front shocks raked way back?


pressures or scales and math are probably necessary before slapping my accu eye numbers on it.  you might end up too light in the front with them racked back that much. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 02:42:26 PM
I have some blue 18x 325 in stock. :)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 02:45:29 PM
Some rake =
extreme visual  enhancement during transport.
If I only had a flat brim...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2014, 03:26:40 PM
goto the app store and search profender
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 23, 2014, 03:29:17 PM
K
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 23, 2014, 03:50:08 PM
goto the app store and search profender

not the friendliest app ever... maybe the android version is better. ios it's pretty unclean what's up...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
On the lookout for a used set of Race Wheels and tires.
37s?
You guys see anything out there  right now?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 08:36:19 AM
Im ordering more KMC's soon at 265$ a wheel shipped- let me know if you want in


i have seen a few racelines break the centers out, and im not crazy how thin the inner bead is on the methods. 

Mikes toyos are pretty shap for 37s  Else id go with a set of 39crawlers for what you do
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 08:40:00 AM
Yea the boggers are cool for woods wheeling but rocks are tearing them up.
I'll keep them.
Not sure if my budget will allow new wheels AND tires,
 so I was thinking used for now.

When are you ordering?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 08:41:16 AM
proabably early next week.  He is a pirate vendor i found.  cheapest i can find and claims to have a good stock. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 25, 2014, 08:42:03 AM
Decker had 85% KRT's on some kind of fancy wheel for sale on the face book yesterday
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 08:43:10 AM
i think those were krawlers on monsters- but no forsale txt that i saw
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
feel pretty sad knowing what race program cost is and people just sell them to public for profit

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axles-tires-wheels-sale/1727442-4-new-39-bfg-krawlers-sac-ca.html 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 08:50:27 AM
I paid that for 4 boggers
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 08:51:35 AM
sorry
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 08:52:07 AM
I'm not. It's what I wanted at the time.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 08:56:19 AM
my 44's were blems and 2100 shipped i think


it wasnt what i wanted but i had to do it haha
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 09:01:02 AM
Boggers are stupid and Fun...
Just like my Buggy!

OH I ALMOST FORGOT!

IT LIVES, and it sounds mean as shit!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 09:03:05 AM
Tonights list =

Steering pump install
Steering cooler install
Rear brake lines
Wire all  3 fans
Air shocks reinstall and pressurize



Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 25, 2014, 09:13:56 AM
cool!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 09:26:41 AM
And an alternator.
Apparently I broke the stud off the back of the alternator when disassembling the engine for removal. Got one coming in to nu-way Farmington tomorrow AM . Its only 70 amps so I'll upgrade at a later date
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: jacel86 on July 25, 2014, 09:35:52 AM
Almost as bad as seeing what government pricing is compared to my cost. Makes me sick.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 25, 2014, 10:29:05 AM
Can't imagine
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 26, 2014, 02:35:03 PM
Cooler fans wired to ignition or seperate switch?

They will be thermostatically controlled so I don't see the need for a separate switch.
What  do you guys do?


Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Wingman on July 26, 2014, 02:52:27 PM
I say ignition, you can always pull the fuse if you need to shut them off. Unless you want to switch off for deep water fording...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 26, 2014, 03:02:01 PM
I don't have fuses.
I went with circuit breakers

Both fluid coolers are 5.3 amps each
Not sure what the radiator fan is. For now it's a junkyard take off.
10 gauge wires to it so I may wire it to its own switch / circuit breaker.
I don't want to over load the 20 amp ignition switch / breaker.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on July 26, 2014, 07:32:19 PM
I need to move mine to ignition, you will leave it off!  Can put a solenoid or relay in.  You have separately mounted fluid coolers? 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 26, 2014, 07:52:18 PM
My previous set up had it on a seperate switch. Took some getting used to.
But I'm trying to eliminate fuses on this go around so for now radiator and fluid coolers are on seperate switch with circuit breakers.

I'm running the same type of remote fluid coolers as 572.
Derale 16 pass w 10 " fan on thermostats.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 27, 2014, 09:19:57 AM
Junk yard electric fan draws more than 20 amps.
:(
Even on a relay
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: gif on July 27, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Junk yard electric fan draws more than 20 amps.
:(
Even on a relay

 ;D

sorry,  this made me chuckle.

20amps is 20amps.    no matter the path.      the goal of the relay is so the 20 amps is not going through a low current rated switch. 



Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 27, 2014, 10:30:08 AM
Erik..   We sell some Hayden fans I can check specs on them tomorrow..
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 27, 2014, 10:48:49 AM
It made sense in my head.
Well 40 amps is where it's at.
She blew a 25 and a 30 amp fuse
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: gif on July 27, 2014, 11:48:05 AM
It made sense in my head.
Well 40 amps is where it's at.
She blew a 25 and a 30 amp fuse


if you want, shoot me a text or call       
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 27, 2014, 11:30:50 PM
I can help on wiring too.

My plan is fan supply on breakers so they can be individually killed, but leave those on in practice and run the thermostat on ignition power. Plan to have override switches to manually trigger in case controller fails.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2014, 08:52:55 AM
i like the blacked out buggy look!

looking good erik! 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 12:01:12 PM
Thanks guys.
Got pretty involved with last minute adjustments and driving the buggy outside for the first time in quite a while.

Here's where I'm at...

Junkyard fan wired direct  to the  disconnect  w 40 amp fuse.
Worked for most of the day.
Then blew my only one, possibly during a low battery engine start attempt.

So i bought a Spal from summit. 2000 cfm 20 something amp draw.

Along with the new fan, i ordered a remote coolant Reservoir.
Can't seem to get all the air out.
Seems my cap is much lower than my upper hose.
("Calibrated Eye ball" needs some adjustment)

tightened up a few hose fittings here and there.
And at least got to romp around the driveway and tear up the grass a few times.

What a difference 2 more Cylinders and GOBS more HP makes!




Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Wingman on July 28, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
Where's the pic of this dark lord?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 12:16:38 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/29/7asyny9u.jpg)

what a triumphant day to fire the engine and drive it for the first time.

I'm already making a mental list of changes to make in the future but for now IT WILL BE FINE!

On the short list before coilovers are installed is to rework the rear shock mounts. Those were raked forward more than the fronts... must have been a CJ Body interference issue. I don't remember.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/29/2a8e4yva.jpg)

I'll post more tonight.
I have more of the aluminum floor and seat panels installed.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Wingman on July 28, 2014, 12:24:30 PM
Complete with Post-it notes!

Lookin' good, Erik!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
It's been a habit for a long time.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2014, 12:38:52 PM
571 runs a Red Maxi 50 amp fues for the junkyard fan.  would blow 40's after long duration. 

switched to 50amp auto reset breakers on 572 and 928
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 12:53:34 PM
Ok good to know.
After I placed the order for the new fan I remember seeing 50 amp circuit breakers at Ballantyne on my last visit.
Might try one before I completely remodel the fan and mount system.

Mike don't you run a variable speed control on 572?
I couldn't find a kit rated over 40 amps.
How does yours work?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
I'm running the Spal fan wiring kit with a 40 amp relay.
Not sure if that's another issue now. Maybe starting it on a lower speed will help?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2014, 01:11:03 PM
do you want me to check the fan controls and fans we stock?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2014, 01:21:58 PM
we run the volvo fans on both the cars.  they have a factory 70amp relay pack that has a two circuits for hi / low.  you switch ground to either of the signal wires.  i have a single pull double throw with center off on my dash for hi or low. 

wreck wheeling with the fan hawging on high gets annoying.  571 we just hooked up high or low depending on duty.  cant race on low lol
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 01:33:03 PM
Ok  thanks mike.

Yes please Arie.
Thanks
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
volvo fan is same blade and motor as 2 speed taurus fan, but way better mounting.  the found fan flange bolts to the OE shroud, as it bolts to a new shroud. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2014, 01:41:09 PM
http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/Performance_Cooling_Products_Brochure_Flyer.pdf

there are more
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 28, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
(http://bb.m4wdfabrications.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310.0;attach=1412)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on July 28, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
its a massive 12mb flyer page...

works from my PC
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 28, 2014, 02:31:19 PM
Got it
Works on my phone
Thanks
I've got some thinking to do tonigjt.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 29, 2014, 07:50:32 AM
Still have coolant air bubble issues
Planning to swap thermostats tonight.

Also,
Running a 2 wire alternator.
I may have wired it incorrectly.
Where does the trigger wire go?
Currently it's run to ignition switch. But when master switch is shutoff engine continues to run.

Ugh
seem to recall having this issue when engine was in Cora's jeep
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 29, 2014, 08:10:18 AM
I may have figured it out.
Last night noticed that when I installed the new alternator I reinstalled the connections opposite.
With this GM 2 wire alternator the one is jumped back to main post and the other is a dash light?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 29, 2014, 09:16:24 AM

when master switch is shutoff engine continues to run.

Charge wire has to go to the battery side of the shutoff; it will run off the alt without a battery.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
his charge wire was correct, but something going on with one of the field wires that was back feeding through the ignition.  All GM alternators are not alike.  that one appears to be what i ran on the CJ and early buggy motor.  one of the terminals jumps to the charge lug, the other is something for an idiot dash light.  charge lug goes to batter side of the disco like you have it. 


thing looks good and sounds good,  couple tweaks and it will be good to go. 



your cooling issues is either a gay AMC water jacket thing or a stuck shut thermostat.  baffling but motor def has lot of air in it. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 29, 2014, 09:46:52 AM
Just thinking out loud...
Radiator design should matter right?
Stock was top and bottom tanks
New design is cross flow.

New thermostat in hand
Water pump on order from Nuway (JIC, or spare at least)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on July 29, 2014, 09:52:18 AM
shouldn't matter.  your cold draw was on the bottom, hot on the top.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on July 31, 2014, 08:51:09 AM
Cooling system air lock issue solved!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/31/a5yse7am.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on July 31, 2014, 09:16:00 AM
fancy!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 01, 2014, 09:12:53 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/a5yhama5.jpg)
This weekends wheeling event made possible by Nuway Autoparts!

Restocked buggy fluids stockpile for the RV.
first day of wheeling went well.
no major issues.

Need better organization of toolbox and fluids storage.

Need heat reflective mat for behind transmission hump where I mounted the  Holley computer to help cut down on heat transfer.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 01, 2014, 09:13:29 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/ajanype8.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 01, 2014, 09:14:18 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/qemu9a6y.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/a2eveje4.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on August 01, 2014, 10:52:37 PM
Jealous...

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 02, 2014, 08:54:06 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/6atanu5a.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/y6eby4ej.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/e9u4y6y9.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 02, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
First time wheeling with a Duece!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 02, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
This is what Happens when I let DJ spot me on the comp course.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/u7eba5ev.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/9e2u8eda.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/yqehedy5.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on August 03, 2014, 10:30:39 AM
That's no deuce , that's got to be a 5 ton. Way too big!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 03, 2014, 11:01:54 AM
Is there such a thing?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on August 03, 2014, 01:01:35 PM
Yup, the heavy haul tractors aren't 2.5 tons. They're bigger. I think there's a rating higher than a 5t too. Tony might know better on that...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 03, 2014, 01:13:35 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/da4a8yra.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 03, 2014, 01:14:18 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/nubeze8u.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: jaysenodell on August 03, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
Checked with b-in-law who is motor pool at Bragg. He works on 5t and considers them the bottom of the heavys. Wouldn't tell what "big" is though.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 04, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/ju2a5yta.jpg)

The Buggy Remodel is WIFE Approved!
She found the throttle.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on August 04, 2014, 01:54:07 PM
RISKY BIDNESS with no belts sir!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: cracker on August 04, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
the buggy defintitely looks sweet, and seems to work well in the picts so far.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on August 04, 2014, 02:10:17 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/da4a8yra.jpg)

the two smaller things there, behind you, are dueces. aka M35A1 or A2 or I think the latest were A3. Essentially revisions. The bigger stuff to the right is newer and I'm not sure if those are "5 tons" or bigger yet, or what their designations are. That right there is pretty much everything I know about them.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: rejeep on August 04, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
m35a is a 2.5
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 04, 2014, 05:51:49 PM
RISKY BIDNESS with no belts sir!
My acting skills are better than I thought!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 04, 2014, 05:53:07 PM
They were F'in sweet.
I say we all get one and have some fun
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 08:05:27 AM
So I've determined that I most likely fried the Holley Projection computer.
Forgot to remove it prior to welding.
This is computer #2 that I have killed. Ugh
MY wife was actually quite positive about it. "keep this one for spare. At least it runs,
SORTA!"
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 08:06:11 AM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/25/1307e5c209a38c8ca46809456f3102a3.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 08:06:53 AM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/25/d23d9032800835b4cfb101f0d95b1701.jpg)

However I did get some bodywork done.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
Need mesh for venting on passenger side for steering and trans cooling fans
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 08:08:39 AM
Now I need steps, I mean rock rails.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 08:10:23 AM
Prob work on rear firewall this week while waiting for new computer. :/
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on August 25, 2014, 09:16:39 AM
So I've determined that I most likely fried the Holley Projection computer.
Forgot to remove it prior to welding.

Shitty!

Shame they're not as resilient as the OEM stuff seems to be to that.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Agreed.
Hopefully won't make that mistake again.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2014, 09:19:59 AM
can you get a regular chevy TBI distributor on that thing?  just run chevy stuff, get rid of that thing
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2014, 09:26:22 AM
it can be done

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=69362   


get rid of the coil and flakey computer.  get a chevy TBI on it with an o2 sensor. 



how much does a computer cost?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: CJ on August 25, 2014, 10:02:51 AM
new computer is about $400
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: luvmyxj on August 25, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
it can be done

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=69362   


get rid of the coil and flakey computer.  get a chevy TBI on it with an o2 sensor. 



how much does a computer cost?
If it can fit in a backpack, not much
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
The new ones on order along with an o2 sensor and associated wiring harness.
If this is a viable option? It's gonna have to be a wintertime project. I've spent so much time learning this system I can't start from scratch now.
Unfortunately the Computer is as temperamental as a newborn baby.
But Cora has mastered the art of covering it with a raincoat when out wheeling.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 01:08:21 PM

[/quote]
If it can fit in a backpack, not much
[/quote]

It will fit in your FANNYPACK!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on August 25, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
the GM ecus don't seem to give a fuck about mud, weather, temp, welding, or anything else... I'd be getting rid of that thing if it's that easy to burn out and needs a raincoat, too. booo.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 25, 2014, 02:56:27 PM
GM TBI computers you cant power wash like the LS stuff now.... but they are pretty resistant and dont care about welding. 


that alone would be the reason i would toss it. 
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: gif on August 25, 2014, 04:25:56 PM
GM TBI computers you cant power wash like the LS stuff now.... but they are pretty resistant and dont care about welding. 


that alone would be the reason i would toss it.

true story

and were used in every GM vehicle  car/truck   

I have a bunch of info if you ever convert to the dark side...
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 04:28:36 PM
Hey no worries you guys have definitely convinced me of at least GM TBI let alone GM drivetrain altogether.
This project had sentimental attachment.
Next one = race car
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 25, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
But be careful what you wish for... I'll be bugging the shit out of you guys for help. ;)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on September 04, 2014, 08:52:44 PM
Throttle Position sensor was the issue.
Testing showed it was telling ecu that we are wide open throttle. All better now.
So now I have a spare ecu and a spare TPS.
Should be good for a while. :/
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: etk300ex on September 05, 2014, 08:08:51 AM
hmmf
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on November 26, 2014, 12:52:59 PM
Erik, did you get "performance" series fox shocks or "factory series"  ?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 26, 2014, 12:54:02 PM
I'm not sure. I'll have to look into that.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 26, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
 http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Fox-2.0-Coilover-Remote-Reservoir-Shocks-7-8-Shaft-p-30148.html  (http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Fox-2.0-Coilover-Remote-Reservoir-Shocks-7-8-Shaft-p-30148.html)
These are what I bought.
No designation on performance level.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on November 26, 2014, 12:59:21 PM
Ok those look to be the "performance" grade.

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 26, 2014, 01:01:59 PM
Since you reminded me about my new shocks... let's get together some night and I'll take you up on the offer of bending up some quick bro tubing based on your #'s.
And we can calculate spring rates based on Air shock pressures.
I'll buy some cheap whiskey!
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on November 26, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
i dont know, maybe not.  this is very confusing!  two shaft sizes for 2.0's also.  you got bigger ones, good. 

my shock pressure filler got broken last rausch trip   :(
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on November 26, 2014, 01:06:59 PM
Mine is operational.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on November 26, 2014, 01:07:43 PM
Bigger shaft is always better. Right?
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Post by: M on November 26, 2014, 02:53:47 PM
Bigger shaft is always better. Right?

thats what she said....
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Post by: JEEPWERX on December 26, 2014, 09:05:07 PM
 http://www.driveshaftsuperstore.com/Transfercase_and_differential_end_yokes.htm  (http://www.driveshaftsuperstore.com/Transfercase_and_differential_end_yokes.htm)
Anyone ever deal with this manufacturer before?
I was looking for 1330 yokes for the dana 300. But it looks like they make a 1350 high clearance yoke instead.
I wasn't planning to install 1350 yokes on the dana 300 (figured the stock output is already weak enough)
but this might be a good deal.
I have binding at the rear output if i let it fully droop out.
I've always had an output upgrade on the long to do list. But it most likely won't happen before KOH.
I'll just bring a spare.
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Post by: M4wdFab on December 26, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
center limit strap would probably cure all with out limiting flex....
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Post by: gif on December 27, 2014, 01:21:11 AM
http://www.driveshaftsuperstore.com/Transfercase_and_differential_end_yokes.htm  (http://www.driveshaftsuperstore.com/Transfercase_and_differential_end_yokes.htm)
Anyone ever deal with this manufacturer before?


they made the rear shaft for the J truck  (before vic opened his shop)



Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on December 27, 2014, 07:16:49 AM
center limit strap would probably cure all with out limiting flex....
Mike,
I've been running a center limit cable, with the plan to replace with a strap of the correct length after new shafts were made.
Actually have new strap and adjustable mount on the bench ( for about 1 year now)just looking to gain as much clearance as possible because my rear shaft is on the short side.

Good to know Gif
Thanks
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Post by: JEEPWERX on January 04, 2015, 08:36:33 PM
It was a productive saturday:

Finished rear body panels
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/3f599ae8389a6e636ce0721ae0e56373.jpg)


New Ruff Stuff 14 bolt Pinion Guard and Truss Support modified, Bolted and Welded in.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/ddec59dceea0fd2f08803329bf8dd5eb.jpg)

New Poly Performance limit strap and mounts installed in center of rear axle.

New Rear Round Driveshaft made. (Waiting on new U joints to arrive for re-install)

Sunday was less productive...
but still a good day!

Rear Diff cover bolts replaced
Air Bumps installed
Measure and layout Air Bump landing pads

Ordered spare pinion yokes and Dana 300 Yokes, Drive shaft u-joints and u-bolts
(parts bin was empty)






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Post by: JEEPWERX on January 04, 2015, 08:50:02 PM
Cora was busy working on new wrap design.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/52844f1736ba5a03b088bb069dd201f1.jpg)
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Post by: mr.mindless on January 04, 2015, 09:12:56 PM
Ooh! I like that one best.


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Post by: Wingman on January 04, 2015, 10:29:44 PM
Not that you asked, but the rear wheel "opening" looks too small.

Like the graphics!
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Post by: JEEPWERX on January 05, 2015, 08:06:02 AM
Good eye mark.
We were looking to get maximum real estate back there.
We photographed it right after I finished installing them. Hadn't fully flexed out the rear yet.
It doesn't need much. 1-1/4 " more gives me enough room.


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Post by: Ryan on January 05, 2015, 08:40:13 AM
Looks nice.

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Post by: JEEPWERX on March 14, 2015, 07:50:42 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/14/f3f877bd591734f3d1ad7ebfc780c3df.jpg)
Finally got around to working on narrowing our CJ Tailgate to work with the Buggy rear tube.

Gave us a chance to set up and test out our new Miller Multimatic 200.
Portable Mig, Tig and Stick Welder.
RV / Trailer / Pit Welder
This new welder line up from Miller is amazing. Alot has changed in 4-5 years
Planning to do some testing on our generators tomorrow. See what works.





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Post by: Harrison on March 14, 2015, 09:11:13 PM
Did you TIG that? Looks great.
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Post by: CJ on March 14, 2015, 09:30:54 PM
Some TIG, some MIG. The TIG didn't  like the old metal, MIG didn't  care. Some grinding  was done before the pic. The fan doesn't  kick on until needed, so the machine  is mostly  silent, which is cool. Really  word great using  110.

The Pyrex cup was cool, much better visibility. The kit came with all new parts from the torch handle forward, so not just a piece  of glass for $27. Plus it looks cool  :) we tool picks on my new DSLR. FB & M4 upload tomorrow.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on March 14, 2015, 09:33:27 PM
Thanks. Still some final grinding left to do. Mount the straps on tabs and catches.
 It was a mix of Mig and tig.
And Cora did most of it.
I did the measuring and cutting.
Tig on the clean areas. Mig on the rusty spots and folds where I couldn't grind all the paint 100%.
Got some good Product Placement Shots today also.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on March 14, 2015, 11:43:40 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/14/6af55f3286ffd34e3a0cc18c08406192.jpg)
Took out 6-1/2 inches
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Post by: tony on March 15, 2015, 08:13:09 PM
Looks sharp
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Post by: JEEPWERX on March 15, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
Generator testing went very well today.
Connected both of our 2000 watt Hondas via the companion cables and ran the Miller Multimatic 200 machine on the 110v 30 amp outlet.

Made a few passes on a couple of pieces we had already welded in the shop for comparison.
Worked flawlessly. 
Turned it up to max output and the results were great.
Passed the vise and sledgehammer test.

 (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/15/b882ca751359864f915045b553124d98.jpg)

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/15/31a8e439e39d3678f11072ca681d046f.jpg)
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Post by: mr.mindless on March 15, 2015, 10:58:21 PM
Mobile-ready! Awesome. That mean the readywelder is retiring? This seems much more finish-work level than trail fix level.


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 16, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
It really was great to have it actually work off the 2 Hondas.
I'm assuming the difference in power consumption between the 200 and 211 is the Internal inverter. The 200 also has an on demand cooling fan which comes on alot less frequently than expected.

As far as the ready welders... all I can say is "Hey we tried!"
We know they weren't contributing to winning the Riddler Award. But they did help many of us get off the trail or home.
They have their place and 1 will be still be carried in the RV for worst case scenarios.

Next welder test will be on the RV Generator off a 20 amp receptacle. Just for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on March 16, 2015, 10:38:37 AM
looks good

what wire size using?  .030?
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on March 16, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
Yup
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Post by: M4wdFab on March 16, 2015, 12:52:24 PM
looks like pleanty power for 1/8" mig work.  id like to see how it likes a 3/8" tab welded to 1/4" box/plate. 

Looks like there is more than enough power to play with though.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on March 16, 2015, 12:59:59 PM
That's what is on the left.
1/4" wall square tube with a scrapbook 1/4 plate welded to it.
Took it to the vice and gave it the sledgehammer test. COLD BTW.
Granted I wouldn't weld up new knuckles using the genetators. But I'm pretty satisfied with what it did for track and trail "repairs".

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Post by: JEEPWERX on March 16, 2015, 01:06:34 PM
And another thing... Smike you always talked about your 211 not caring about super clean steel. Ours is very finicky.  It needs well prepped steel to be happy.
But not the 200. I was welding through whatever I found in the scrap pile. 
211 had Hobart .030
200 has whatever was left of an old 2 lb roll of Lincoln.
Picked up a bunch of new wire from Mahaney's saturday.
IN WELD I believe.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 08, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
Brake lights and reverse lights were one thing we decided to add at the last minute.  Thankfully we did. We had no idea how much road driving we would be doing in Moab.

Ruff Stuff Housing
Amazon LED Lights w clear lens
Shop made brake switch activator on the Wildwood pedal assembly.
Reverse lights are manual for now.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/08/5ae56cafec6b0a4dd55984e02cb2d54e.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on April 08, 2015, 12:15:13 PM
I think the narrowed tailgate came out nice.
Was so nice having a tailgate again. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/08/5292e0fb6e2422ec874bb9aa224894c7.jpg)
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Post by: M4wdFab on April 08, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
did you end up changing up the roof lines for a sheet of alum?

looks good
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Post by: JEEPWERX on April 08, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
No not yet.
I had too much work to get done before EJS.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 03, 2015, 10:27:49 PM
In an effort to not jack up Gif's thread, I'll post my response here.

Yes Mike.
1 pump is adequate for crawling.
2 for anything involving down hill or throttle applied.

This is what I'm running for MC and Pedal Assembly.
http://www.polyperformance.com/Wilwood-High-Volume-Aluminum-Master-Cylinder?multi=2569 (http://www.polyperformance.com/Wilwood-High-Volume-Aluminum-Master-Cylinder?multi=2569)

Pretty sure I went with the 1 inch bore.
Maybe I can play with the balance?
I honestly didn't really spend too much time setting it up. It worked fine enough out of the box. But performance definetly seems to be declining.


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 03, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Bearings are all good.
I suppose I could check rotors for warping. I remember cora had very similar issue on her CJ7.
Turned out to be wheel bearing.
But her pedal would drop to the floor.
This pedal is and has always been consistent. Never a change in feel.


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 04, 2015, 09:50:36 AM
2 pumps!  i get it now haha
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 16, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
For Smike when you have a moment to calculate.

Current airshock pressures.
No people
No tools
Front 2.5 Dia 350# @ride ht
Rear 2.0 Dia 375# @ride ht
Recently Added 25 psi at full extension to rear to adjust for tools. so not sure how that translates to ride ht pressures.
Do you need to know shock angles?


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 16, 2015, 06:25:50 PM
that puts your at front corner spring bearing weights of 520lbs and rear corners at 555lbs at ride

would need more info to add in the 25 psi adjustment, and no angles do not matter for what we are doing since your trying to plop in springs in the same angles / mounts. 

next we need what length shocks you bought, how much shaft you want showing at ride (50/50?), and the diameter of the shock shaft
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 17, 2015, 07:36:47 PM
I bought 14" initially
And then bought 2 more 16"
All are 2.0 diameter
Currently 5.5" shaft exposed front
4.5" exposed in the rear.



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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 19, 2015, 08:23:44 PM
Are you guys running Pac or Viper springs?

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Post by: M4wdFab on August 19, 2015, 10:31:04 PM
we have mix match.  with the 2.5" CO's spring quality is not as important as they dont tend to woble up as much.


Get the best springs you can buy for 2.0's   PAC or Eibachs id go with. 

most of ours are blue coil and a few vipers.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 19, 2015, 10:49:19 PM
What sizes should I order?

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Post by: M4wdFab on August 19, 2015, 11:13:52 PM
are your air shocks now 14" and 16"  or?
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Post by: M4wdFab on August 19, 2015, 11:26:36 PM
this is how i would set it up 

rear: 6" shaft showing, 8" shaft compressed, 1" of coil preload= total rate of 57lbs/in      ~ 14" 100/ 16" 150  =60lbs/in
Front 7" shaft showing, 9" shaft compressed, 1" of coil preload= total rate of 55lbs/in     ~ 16" 100/ 18" 125  =55.5 lbs/in
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 19, 2015, 11:31:07 PM
i like running 50/50 shaft showing for racing, so with 2-3" of preload you could get there if you wanted over wreck wheeling status.


another trick, you can actually fit 18/18 on a 16" shock or 16/16 on a 14" shock, but since you have different shocks all your coils can be the same anyway.   
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Post by: Ryan on August 20, 2015, 12:10:18 AM
Can you fit a 18" and 16" on a 14" shock?  Seems tight.
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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 06:41:53 AM
are your air shocks now 14" and 16"  or?
Air shocks are currently 16" front and rear.

I bought 14" coil overs. But was worried up front it would severly limit my travel in the rocks, so I also have a pair of 16".

I'll most likely run the 14" front and rear.
And sell the 16".



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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 08:39:06 AM
Can you fit a 18" and 16" on a 14" shock?  Seems tight.


oopps cut and paste error, fixed
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 08:40:58 AM
oh, so you have 6 shocks... ok ill rerun the numbers.. i would get all 16" springs then
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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 08:42:42 AM
Why re run numbers?
I was gonna run 14" front and rear.


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Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 08:55:11 AM
i ran numbers for 14" and 16"   going to 14/14 in the front will need more rate with less spring to compress at ride
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 10:30:32 AM
Ok
What does this mean?
14" shock in front
16" in rear?


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
i should just stop over and show you how to run the numbers sometime.  your situation is real easy with knowing air shock pressure on a 1 3/8" shaft


i think we are getting confused with what shocks where


if you had 16" on it for wreck wheel shaft showing (60/40ish), going to 14"'s with Race shaft showing (50/50) should work out great, and keep all your coils at 16"s to allow swapping around if you need.


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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 11:01:25 AM
K maybe tomorrow after j&j?


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Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 11:13:33 AM
i wish it was friday!   but ya after J/J i can stop over
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Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 12:04:20 PM
This might help. 
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Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 12:05:58 PM
ill check that math after lunch haha
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Post by: Ryan on August 20, 2015, 12:27:47 PM
I have 125/125 on the front of my Yj. 14" saw coilovers. I will take a pic I have about 4"-5" shaft showing. 1" preload.
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Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
I have 125/125 on the front of my Yj. 14" saw coilovers. I will take a pic I have about 4"-5" shaft showing. 1" preload.

what will that accomplish here lol 
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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 01:07:59 PM
Lmao

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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 01:08:24 PM
Mine has a V8. ;)

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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on August 20, 2015, 01:12:52 PM
ryans does too lol 


but many things would be different, weight, shock mount geometries ect
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Post by: JEEPWERX on August 20, 2015, 01:25:59 PM
Oh that's right.
I was thinking of another YJ.
Just busting balls anyway.

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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on August 20, 2015, 02:10:08 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/20/4d1145c2c947ace7f212f54facca9b30.jpg)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on August 20, 2015, 02:14:13 PM
Our weights should be very similar, Within a couple hundred pounds.

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Post by: M4wdFab on August 24, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
reran numbers with proper 2.5 shaft dia

Pac can get green springs!

http://www.racingsprings.com/16-Inches-Tall/sku/31 

Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: Ryan on August 24, 2015, 10:35:10 AM
Those numbers look more realistic for a heavy Jeep.

Viper springs are not the best, but they cost me about $35 each, if you want me to get you quote let me know.
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 24, 2015, 06:38:39 PM
Green sounds great.
But we may order springs through wayne to help move our relationship in the right direction.
He was willing to consult via email or phone as well for a small fee.


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on August 24, 2015, 06:39:19 PM
Thanks smike for all of your help and calulations.


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 29, 2015, 12:33:20 PM
I don't see a thread for your 4500 build, so I'm just gonna leave this link right here

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/2183906-4500-steering-won-national-points-championship.html
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: M4wdFab on October 29, 2015, 02:51:44 PM
basically a full hydro truck but with a manual steering box.... very interesting stretching the rules
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 29, 2015, 03:36:35 PM
Yup. Same thing could be done with a bell crank setup to run a double truangulated front [without bump steer] too.


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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 29, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Great find Mike.
But I'll have to re read the rules for our class which is 4600

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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 30, 2015, 09:47:58 AM
Off the top of my head, 4500 and 4600 have the same steering rule. But something like that probably deserves a double check :)
Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: JEEPWERX on October 30, 2015, 12:16:01 PM
4600 class is much more strict in regards to the location of steering box and it's orientation.

4500 class rules simply state no full hydro and it has to have a mechanical connection.(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/30/f7fc691023ee69d85a4dcab5bd06d241.jpg)

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Title: Re: JEEPWERX CJ7 Buggy Style
Post by: mr.mindless on October 30, 2015, 12:29:58 PM
I momentarily forgot about the stock suspension design, so you're stuck with a 5 link of course.

The way I read that, the system described would be legal as long as the steering box is within 4" of stock location.