M4wd&Fabrications
Projects place => Projects Section => Topic started by: M4wdFab on November 12, 2012, 08:29:52 PM
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Looking for a 12g pump or similar home defense / tactical type.
ya, its that time to get back in it.
grew up around them and grew out of it, now grown up.
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I can get you new at dealer cost.
Or for used check ArmsList
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Oh? What's your connection?
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Dealer cost funds I'm looking for a muzzle loader with a scope something cheap, it's for my dad
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Oh? What's your connection?
My buddy's uncle and grandpa own Gun Trader in Lakeville
Dealer cost funds I'm looking for a muzzle loader with a scope something cheap, it's for my dad
I know they are lean on muzzle loaders right now. Lots sold recently. There is a nice TC that we put on the floor when I was down there Thursday. I'll call tomorrow and see if they still have it and get specs and pricing.
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http://www.armslist.com/posts/638111/rochester-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--mossberg-500-with-upgrades
this is a good deal if you can get it for $250. i'd buy that scope if you didnt want it
http://www.armslist.com/posts/522919/rochester-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--remington-870
this has potential to be good if you want something really small
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Guns kill people! Ban them :)
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Remington 870 is a pretty durable gun. We have them in our patrol cars. Synthetic stock, 14 " barrel (LE only). They hold up to the abuse as long as you maintain them.
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I've had an 1100 since I was 14 love it
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Dealer cost funds I'm looking for a muzzle loader with a scope something cheap, it's for my dad
TC Encore .50 is around 250
A lot of guys are putting on illuminated scopes. Then you're looking at low to mid 300s
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Dealer cost funds I'm looking for a muzzle loader with a scope something cheap, it's for my dad
TC Encore .50 is around 250
A lot of guys are putting on illuminated scopes. Then you're looking at low to mid 300s
thanks I'll let him know
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thanks I'll let him know
have him stop in if he likes. Owner's are Bob and Alice (around 65 or 70). Son is Bubba. Say I sent you.
58twelve Big Tree Road, Livonia, NY
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870 best pump ever made I still have the one I bought at creekside when I was 14 (1986)
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I still use my dad's old 870 pump have a slug barrel and a bird one, that I threw a turkey choke in
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870 best pump ever made...
Agreed. I trap shoot with both an 870 and an 1100. Unless I'm going for multiple birds, I prefer the 870.
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http://www.armslist.com/posts/714887/buffalo-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--remington-870-12g-with-3-round-extension-and-black-synthetic-stock-pump---ammo
This should be around $250-$300
I'd buy it if it was closer and I had time
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Nevermind. Ad is removed by seller
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this looks good
http://www.armslist.com/posts/642727/rochester-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--maverick-88-12ga-20--8shot--security--new-
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this is just cool
http://www.armslist.com/posts/628771/buffalo-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--spas-12-pre-ban-12ga-w--folding-stock-spas12
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Didn't clicky the link but don't folding stocks have to be pinned in NYS?
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this looks good
http://www.armslist.com/posts/642727/rochester-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--maverick-88-12ga-20--8shot--security--new-
Maverick is the cheapest of the Mossberg line. I can get it cheaper than that if its one you want. You'll want to play with it in a store before you buy it though. Not sure you will like the quality. I can get you a new Mossberg 500, which is probably your best bet. I'll get a quote from my guy for both.
this is just cool
http://www.armslist.com/posts/628771/buffalo-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--spas-12-pre-ban-12ga-w--folding-stock-spas12
I've been watching that one for a price drop, but dont have the cash. SPAS are the king of the tactical shotgun, but even being a preban thats a little steep.
Didn't clicky the link but don't folding stocks have to be pinned in NYS?
only applies to semi auto guns made after Sept 1992. that one listed says its a preban, so is exempt from all Assault Weapons Ban rules.
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excuse my dumb ness but is a pump considered a semi auto?
I really like the folding stock thing, i have never seen that before.
a pistol grip 12g seems like no small mans device, but flexibility is nice when needed.
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I really like the folding stock thing, i have never seen that before.
a pistol grip 12g seems like no small mans device, but flexibility is nice when needed.
Folding stocks are quite nice for close quarters/long range versatility.
Pistol grip is no big deal to shoot. Just not real accurate.
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pump is not semi auto. semi auto is any mechanism that uses the pressure from the expanding gas to eject the spent casing and load the new one. so that dosnt include a pump, bolt action, or lever action, which all require mechanical input to load a new shell.
folding is 100% legal on any pump no matter what else i has done to it. but if its semi and manufactured after September 14, 1994, it can only have one of the below features
- Telescoping or folding stock
-Pistol grip
- a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds
-an ability to accept a detachable magazine
more info on shotguns pertaining to the AWB
http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/4509-new-york-state-assault-weapon-ban-faq-part-3-shotguns.html
another option is a telescoping stock, though a true folding stock is probably better for CQB.
(http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_100002438_1.jpg)
FTR, any shotgun with a pistol grip is illegal within the city of Rochester per city law. Buffalo has laws too, but no one else around does.
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this is just cool
http://www.armslist.com/posts/628771/buffalo-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--spas-12-pre-ban-12ga-w--folding-stock-spas12
It is semi-auto as well
This shotgun can be run as a semi-auto or pump gun at the flip of a switch.
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this is just cool
http://www.armslist.com/posts/628771/buffalo-new-york-shotguns-for-sale--spas-12-pre-ban-12ga-w--folding-stock-spas12
It is semi-auto as well
This shotgun can be run as a semi-auto or pump gun at the flip of a switch.
Always wondered why anyone would desire that feature?
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Agreed. I have yet to find the need for a semi shotgun. Other than double tapping flying birds, Im happy racking the pump and back on target.
That said, my buddy has a saiga 12. I would buy one in a heartbeat. So fun.
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You're friends with fpsrussia? Neat!
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I would like an auto for bird hunting, and clays
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Agreed. I have yet to find the need for a semi shotgun. Other than double tapping flying birds, Im happy racking the pump and back on target.
Multi birds for trap shooting, having a semi is nice.
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Christmas shopping tonight :)
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http://e-sarcoinc.com/remington870policemagnumsfairtogoodconditionstickersshowwear-1.aspx
these are pretty cool. i can get you FFL transfer for free.
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Oh have fun shopping. I love to shop! :)
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liz you are funny.
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I'm a fabulous shopper :)
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I'd trade you a Remington Sportsmans 12 for jeep work/parts :P
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i am learning so much- this is crazy
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bought stuff for something i dont have yet :)
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Now is a good time to get to this scene.
I'm working on your quote. He's been crazy busy.
AR15s are pretty much sold out in the entire US. Ammo is flying off the shelves. No idea what's going to happen.
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easier to just show up with cash? doesnt matter to me. Alex and i might do some shopping thrusday afternoon.
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I like gun shopping, Pro-Gun here in Victor is a good store, has a lot of rifles and handguns.
AllStar tactical in Webster is a great custom builder, I bought a Spikes lower from them a while back and was going to make a kit, http://www.ar15-kits.com/ from there.
If you want something you cant buy here, such as 25-roung mags for a 10-22, I can help. ;D
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i had enough of AR's when i was a kid ;D
maybe in the daytime places would be less mobbed.
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easier to just show up with cash? doesnt matter to me. Alex and i might do some shopping thrusday afternoon.
i dont know if they have any in stock. i'll check on it today.
s 25-roung mags for a 10-22, I can help. ;D
I'm not sure about 10/22 mags, but if they have any feature making them evidently post ban, i'd pass. Class D Felony :o
i have preban glock mags, but its very clear they are preban (number placement).
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Undated mags, cant prove anything.
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Boy, we have a lot of handgun laws and restrictions here :-\
(ref: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newyork.pdf)
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The media would lead people to believe we just hand them out like candy. In no way is that even close to true.
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In this state its tough. In others it is not as hard.
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You mean like how my friend bought one in Vermont with his drivers license...that's not concerning
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Alex, i took tomorrow off if you wana go shopping
as long as your disease is cleared up
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Sleep made a difference should be good to go tomorrow. Let me know when you wanna go class at 4
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You mean like how my friend bought one in Vermont with his drivers license...that's not concerning
You can do that with rifles here.
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You mean like how my friend bought one in Vermont with his drivers license...that's not concerning
You can do that with rifles here.
While I've been told its not a true NYS law, most stores have the policy to only accept a NYS license or a 'touching state'.
Also, the Dome Center normally hosts a gun show every 4months or so. I don't know if they still will be since it was bought..
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rumor is the show will be at the old Kodak Elmgrove buildings. I'll look into that if youre interested.
their distributor is pretty much cleared out of everything. they have one of these in a 20" bbl and it will probably run $500
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-pump-action-500-special-purpose-tactical-tri-rail/50589
if you can find something you want local, jump on it.
Gander Mountain
Beikirchs (east Rochester)
Jackson Guns and Ammo
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I assume prices on guns that aren't tactical have not been selling at the same premium. Like an 870 wingmaster etc
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i got a a kit coming that has everything i want to add to an 870 or the 500
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rumor is the show will be at the old Kodak Elmgrove buildings. I'll look into that if youre interested.
Empire State Arms Collectors Assoc
Original Rochester Gun Show - New Location
789 Elmgrove Road - Bldg. #4
Rochester, New York 14624
Saturday January 5, 2013 - 9:00am to 5:00pm
Sunday January 6, 2013 - 9:00am to 4:00pm
Admission $8.00 No Cameras No Children under age 10
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rumor is the show will be at the old Kodak Elmgrove buildings. I'll look into that if youre interested.
Empire State Arms Collectors Assoc
Original Rochester Gun Show - New Location
789 Elmgrove Road - Bldg. #4
Rochester, New York 14624
Saturday January 5, 2013 - 9:00am to 5:00pm
Sunday January 6, 2013 - 9:00am to 4:00pm
Admission $8.00 No Cameras No Children under age 10
Awesome! Thank you, glad I wont miss one. Perhaps we could get a group meeting up? Mike, you can probably find either of the shotguns you're looking for at the show for a good price.
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fuck! monster jam Rochester weekend.
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Winchester 1300 Defender blows all of the other pumps in speed and smoothness - even the Remy 870.
(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/AG8815/002-4.jpg)
I've had a Winchester 1300 Black Shadow since 1994 for hunting and got a Defender a couple years ago just to shoot and as my main defense weapon. Good luck finding one though, they were discontinued in '06.
The new version is the Winchester SXP Defender, but it doesn't hold as many rounds as my 1300 Defender.
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both alex and i were successful today. I had to run to the DMV to get a little sticker, even though my address was right (did it online last year)
went to about 5 places, only Dicks had what we both wanted.
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there was a nice 2 barrel 870 combo, used, at the palace in victor that was tempting for 200$.
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I want to get back into shooting. I'm grabbing one or two of my guns from my dads on christmas!
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I need to get into shooting.. Tyler loves it so it should be something we do together.
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anyone got a trap shooter?
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anyone got a trap shooter?
yeah, and a hand thrower
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FL4x4 Trap day? I'd go.
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WP, does that, Wheeling and shooting. Good times.
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WP, does that, Wheeling and shooting. Good times.
IN!
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I dont think I've shot since deer season 08
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Sounds delightful!
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Sounds delightful!
will you bring you wingmaster ;D
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Sounds delightful!
will you bring you wingmaster ;D
http://instantostrich.com/
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Sounds delightful!
will you bring your wingmaster ;D
My wife. No. She doesn't like loud noises. :P
Used to own a Wingmaster many years ago.
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Fun time, thanks Spenser!
Liking the 8 shot. I probably have a few things to learn. ::)
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man there is a sweet pump on the used rack at gander tonight
Fawk!
off brand, but looks cool, 249$
charles daly?
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Saw it there last night. Looks dope. Never heard of the brand but almost bought it on the spot.
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Charles Daly is a good name. Higher end stuff. Get it and don't worry.
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also note, the target loads at gander are over by the targets and trap throwers! not over by all the other ammo duh!
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Google says it isnt anything special, and thats a price thats pretty comparable if not more than what you can get it online for new.
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Its a good price for a nickle plated gun, with a synthetic stock.
Here is another Charles daly. ;D
http://www.gunsinternational.com/CHARLES-DALY-DIAMOND-REGENT-16-GAUGE.cfm?gun_id=100304615
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Google says it isnt anything special, and thats a price thats pretty comparable if not more than what you can get it online for new.
That the impression I've always had with Charles Daly in general. Another good source for used guns would be Avon
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-any-legislation-will-ban-assualt-weapons-semi-automatic-rifles-or-handguns-and-high-capacity/bjlkvNSf (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-any-legislation-will-ban-assualt-weapons-semi-automatic-rifles-or-handguns-and-high-capacity/bjlkvNSf)
Not intending to start any debates.... just posting for those interested in supporting!
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debate started..
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-executive-order-banning-sale-assault-rifles-and-high-capacity-magazines/6y5ZJmvX
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I know which one I'm signing......
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did not read.
just got home to my box of goodies.
brought my bow and .45 back
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My dad informed me that he traded my 1100 in on a muzzle loader due to its lack of use, serves my right I suppose haha. So I guess I'm in the market as well.
Grabbed my 10/22 with my 25 round clips. Guess which one I signed?
That's a sweet argument on the anti petition, don't want to debate if it will save anyone but why not lol
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i got my new folding stock on, heat shield, sights, and 5 round storage. decided i dont like the 2nd pistol grip for the pump and you have to modify things to make it fit- gona hold of on that.
not really happy how the nice mossberg safety is now kinda burried with the new stock (the feature i chose the 500 over the 870) o well...
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What's a safety?
Fill the tube. When you need it rack the action. The sound says all you need to say.
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The sound says all you need to say.
;D
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Charles Daly is near or at the bottom of the totem pole of quality shotguns.
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debate started..
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-executive-order-banning-sale-assault-rifles-and-high-capacity-magazines/6y5ZJmvX
Might be the wrong forum for that petition... just a wild guess!
But thanks for letting us know where you stand!
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Pardon my typing...
maybe the wrong thread.
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All for guns and gun rights... Been a member of the NRA since I was 10 and started with daisy air rifles... But there is a sane and insane level for everything...
Assault weapons and ammo dumps that rival small nations militarys are pushing it IMO...
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you said it- sane or insane.... has nothing to do with the method!
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100%. method is immaterial.
"assault weapon" is made up bullshit and sets my hackles on edge. or something.
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I'd say its the misused term in America
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perhaps revert to the 1950's and throw all the loony toons in a hospital for life?
I think we can do better... on both avenues...
whatever you want to call it.. its a gun made for assault, not defense.
Ive been reading a lot lately on this topic, a member of JF was a first responder to the Newtown shooting, and that singular instance aside its amazing the statistics from our "great nation" compared to the rest of the civilized world...
Im not super politically active on this matter nor is it a new cause of mine... but when you look at it without prejudice or bias.. it really makes no sense..
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Why do you or anyone else get to say what the AR-15 is intended for? If Americans give up the right to own a firearm, whats next? Maybe 350hp is too much in a vehicle? Ban "fast" cars, speed kills far more people than guns. Drop the speed limit to 40mph, lots of lives saved.
Maybe the right to freedom of the press should be abolished, or restricted. Maybe freedom of speech should go away, it causes too much trouble.
Make guns illegal (any kind of gun) and it ends up like drugs. Illegal, but you can get one anywhere you want, unregulated.
Mental illness is the problem, and just letting it go unchecked is what the problem really is, not law abiding citizens.
But whatever, the politicans are bought and paid for, whatever the banks tell them to do, they will. Dosent matter what any citizen or group thinks. Follow the money, it always wins. There is a plan to make us sheeple, nobody cares.
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No it's not, an "assault weapon" is nothing more than a few select accessories. Same gun, same caliber, same accuracy. It's a BS, make the public think your doing something term.
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A baseball bat could be labeled an assault weapon when used in an assault.
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the constitution is organic.. it changes when it needs to... slaves would still be slaves etc..
the spirit of the 2nd amendment wasn't that any idiot could be armed to the teeth..
It would be ok to restrict and monitor a human with mental illness but arguably not the same for guns or whatever..
the arguments are circular and throw out the conspiracy and big brother attitude and your left with both sides having compelling and legitimate arguments..
its an issue and a problem... with no good solution..
I think Mike put it best in a previous post...
this forum isnt for politics for good reason.
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.â€
Ben Franklin
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I think Mike put it best in a previous post...
Agreed
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NON POLITICAL...
A baseball bat could be labeled an assault weapon when used in an assault.
you're factually wrong...
an assault weapon has a clear definition (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20weapon) where as in an assault you can use various weapons, vehicles, body parts, or yes.. even an assault weapon...
stickler for syntax despite the fact I cant spell
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I think assault weapon has many meanings, the one in that link is a new meaning. A true "assault weapon" needs to have a selector switch. But again, I guess things change. Assault weapons may include other weapons by the time it gets thru all the steps to ban them.
Definitions
A genuine assault weapon, as opposed to a legal definition, is a hand-held, selective fire weapon, which means it's capable of firing in either an automatic or a semiautomatic mode depending on the position of a selector switch. These kinds of weapons are heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and are further regulated in some states. (See machine guns.)
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there is hope
An old guy behind the counter at Gander MT actually used Google to tell me if i needed #10 or #11 percussion caps for my black powder rifle!
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an assault weapon has a clear definition (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20weapon) where as in an assault you can use various weapons, vehicles, body parts, or yes.. even an assault weapon...
As Ryan said, the definition of "assault weapon" is completely muddled. The federal ban defined it clearly as a list of things that pretty much wring out to "scary looking rifle." That's silly and meaningless. It's been further contrived through mass media misunderstanding.
There's zero practical difference when it comes to throwing lead at a high velocity of whether that weapon has a bayonet lug, or pistol grip, or adjustable stock... Yet we'll ban one and not the other. (These are both Ruger Mini-14 .223s)
(http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/ruger_5816.jpg)
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/firearms-images-products-446l-tm.jpg)
The preban definition of Assault Weapon as a select-fire (full auto/burst/semi) rifle using mid-sized cartridges is far more accurate, but it's still a silly descriptor. Something like Tactical Rifle would be more accurate and meaningful (the latter Mini-14 above is billed that way on the site where I grabbed the picture from). But that's a reasonable title instead of a fear-mongering one, and thence not as useful to those with an agenda to push.
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This whole thing about gun bans sucks . Spencer I'm now in the market for a at style gun what's your hook up have.....
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Spencer I'm now in the market for a at style gun what's your hook up have.....
AR? Or AK
I guess doesn't really matter. Distributors are cleared out of everything in the whole country. You could try for a stripped lower (the actual "gun") but probably paying 50% over month ago market value. Watch armslist , sometimes there is something reasonable. But most are listing a 800$ AR for 1800$
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That's a nice mark up, just looking for .223 with a tactical look no handle as I want a scope for coyote. If I find stuff armslist I'll run it by you
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my next item is just a 22 plinker for target fun. the amo so so cheap too. wish i still had any of the ones we had when i was a kid.
a pump or bolt action would be fine, used and beat with a cheap scope.
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My dad had a pair of nice .22 rifles. I think they got sold before the move :(
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Ruger 10/22 is the best plinker. Many aftermarket accessories and upgrade parts.
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i grew up with a tube feed, fits like 15 regular, and like 20 shorts or something crazy
might stick to that
never had a semi auto though either (other than AR with conversion)
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Can't hold more than 10 now.
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i guessing thats a law for semi auto,
several with 14 capacity at dicks, and they hold more with shorts
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Can used ones be grandfathered in?
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also, gander shows the AR look a likes 400-800$ with 25 round clips, but they say semi auto.
hmmm.
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If you're looking for a .22 I can highly recommend a Marlin. I own a couple already and love them to bits. The Ruger 10/22 is a fine rifle, but I would recommend Marlin Model 795, its a great reliable gun and generally cheaper than the Ruger. For plinkers I prefer pump or lever actions, with my favorite being a Marlin 39a.
Maybe I'll start asking around for a ridiculous price for my AR and sell it off ;)
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http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Mossberg-715T-Flat-Top-Rimfire-Rifle-Package&i=692593&aID=510E4B&merchID=4006
25+1 standard equipment
(im not looking for something like that though)
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http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Mossberg-715T-Flat-Top-Rimfire-Rifle-Package&i=692593&aID=510E4B&merchID=4006
25+1 standard equipment
(im not looking for something like that though)
.22's are exempt from the AWB, they're rimfire.
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haha figures, thats funny.
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Not in NY
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Not in NY
Right you are! My apologies, I actually just went and verified after you posted. I'm way more up on California's laws then NYS apparently. Good to know
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You can not have over 10 round mags for anything in NY, there are too many laws for too many things, it very complicated.
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I should say 10 round capacity, even if they are not detachable mags.
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I should say 10 round capacity, even if they are not detachable mags.
Looked like tube fed are exempt.
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Can't hold more than 10 now.
Only for detachable mag. Attached tube mag as no limit afaik
Edit: too slow
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ya
There is an exception for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. See New York State penal Law Section 265.00 subdivision 23.
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i just read the NRA's synopsis of New York state fire arm laws, very interesting.
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Good to know. Although it seems a little silly to have a law against one but ok for the same thing in another form. Leave it to politicians .
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not the first time I've read of a difference for rimfire vs centerfire rounds... I believe the federal ban had similar language.
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i think they had no choice because of the "22 shorts" you can fit more in a tube, but the same in a clip
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You can not have over 10 round mags for anything in NY, there are too many laws for too many things, it very complicated.
Not if you have preban 30 round mags.
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this is a sweet 9 page thread. must be pretty rough over in 9$ heim land
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that's rough.
:laughing:
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Work smarter not harder. Someday you will learn. 8)
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sweet my light will be here saturday
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I've got a ruger 10/22 I've had since I was 12 or 13, never had a single problemo with it. Your welcome to give it a try.
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couple good reads
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/
http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/
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both great reads. I read a few other thing by Correia too, he's a sharp cookie.
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rumor is the show will be at the old Kodak Elmgrove buildings. I'll look into that if youre interested.
Empire State Arms Collectors Assoc
Original Rochester Gun Show - New Location
789 Elmgrove Road - Bldg. #4
Rochester, New York 14624
Saturday January 5, 2013 - 9:00am to 5:00pm
Sunday January 6, 2013 - 9:00am to 4:00pm
Admission $8.00 No Cameras No Children under age 10
set up tonight.
lots of shotguns and shit
lots of stupidly overpriced .223 ammo and AR crap
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http://www.armslist.com/posts/814593/rochester-new-york-rifles-for-sale--gsg-522-
these are garbage.
but the ad should read:
"you too can have 3 Class D felonies for a mere $500"
idiot
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hows the info coming for me? I went to gander but atlas they didnt have any xds's only a lc9 wich was nice but if the xds fits like a glove would rather have a 45 than a 9
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Shizit. I forgot. Will ask him tonight.
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This thing is sweet! I need one.
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that is how i roll
.45 cal round ball followed by a smoke screen!
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Gangster!
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Reminds me of you folded up into your CJ5.
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Lol
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Cuomos bill to limit mags to 7 rounds http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2895673.shtml?cat=565
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http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1833271?preferredArticleViewMode=single
Good lord they have gone full retard.
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Yhar... I'm thinking I'm going to move to Texas.
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You have to register you now illegal guns, limit your 10-round magazines to 7, re-register your handgun permit every 5 years, and get a background check to buy ammo. One thing that is cool, is that there are protections, if your county deems it prudent, if you want to have your handgun permit info private, so you won't end up in a newspaper like earlier this month.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/14/cuomo-new-york-guns/1833271/
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Can I quit NY yet? This is stupid.
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Can I quit NY yet? This is stupid.
you don't have to stay here to collect your pension right?
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Come on down to Florida. Can leave the top off the jeep all year and a pistol permit is less than 90 days response time.
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Can I quit NY yet? This is stupid.
you don't have to stay here to collect your pension right?
No. There are a handful of states that don't tax it either. FL is one.
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http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1833271?preferredArticleViewMode=single
Good lord they have gone full retard.
Fuck you, Cuomo. Fuck. You.
Ellen Jaffee, fuck you too. Even harder. "Ellen Jaffee, D-Suffern in Rockland County, said a quick vote was prudent, saying she was concerned that a delay could lead to less stringent regulations."
It's like the fucking health care bill. WE HAVE TO PASS THIS NOW!NOW!NOW! SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT.
Beyond disgusting. Ram it through without any chance for discussion. Leverage the passion and ignore rational thought. Fuck.
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Can I quit NY yet? This is stupid.
you don't have to stay here to collect your pension right?
No. There are a handful of states that don't tax it either. FL is one.
It's awesome like New Hampshire they don't tax any income. And have 6% sales tax!
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/14/gun-law-push-faces-slow-start-in-most-states/1834825/
interesting, states pushing for gun control are not considering mental health or school security
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actual text of the law. Educate yourself and know what it says.
I think the 10-22 is ok with a 10 round rotating internal clip?
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013
Pertaining to Assault Weapon Definition:
S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by
chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows:
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF
THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR
S. 2230 19 A. 2388
(B) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS;
(V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR
(C) A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(IV) CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT ATTACHES TO THE
PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;
(V) A THREADED BARREL CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING A BARREL EXTENDER, FLASH
SUPPRESSOR, FORWARD HANDGRIP, OR SILENCER;
(VI) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIR
CLES, THE BARREL AND THAT PERMITS THE SHOOTER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH
THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED;
(VII) A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS
UNLOADED; OR
(VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR
FIREARM;
(D) A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN;
(E) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC
PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (V) OF PARAGRAPH (E) OF SUBDI
VISION TWENTY-TWO OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AS ADDED BY CHAPTER
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND AND OTHERWISE
LAWFULLY POSSESSED PURSUANT TO SUCH CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND
PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER FOURTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR;
(F) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC
PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (A), (B) OR (C) OF THIS SUBDIVI
SION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE
LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH;
(G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:
(I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY
BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; (B) HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY
INOPERABLE; OR (C) IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C.
921(A)(16);
(II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE
THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
(III) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS
OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR
(IV) A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE THEREOF,
SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 AS SUCH WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED
ON OCTOBER FIRST, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-THREE. THE MERE FACT THAT A
WEAPON IS NOT LISTED IN APPENDIX A SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO MEAN THAT
SUCH WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON;
(V) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF
SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE
PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (H) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
(VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST
FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE
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Well, looks like it's going through...
S2230-2013 Actions
Jan 15, 2013: DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
Jan 15, 2013: returned to senate
Jan 15, 2013: passed assembly
Jan 15, 2013: message of necessity - 3 day message
Jan 15, 2013: ordered to third reading rules cal.3
Jan 15, 2013: substituted for a2388
Jan 14, 2013: referred to codes
Jan 14, 2013: DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
Jan 14, 2013: PASSED SENATE
Jan 14, 2013: MESSAGE OF NECESSITY
Jan 14, 2013: ORDERED TO THIRD READING CAL.1
Jan 14, 2013: REFERRED TO RULE
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am i reading section 38 right? you can keep your 10 round magazines but you cant get caught with more than 7 rounds in it
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am i reading section 38 right? you can keep your 10 round magazines but you cant get caught with more than 7 rounds in it
Seems so. I read that will the the case for a year then you will have to have mags that are limited to 7.
Also seems my p22 is illegal. Has a threaded barrel. Nice.
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Same here with the p22 as the saying goes they can pry it out of my cold dead hands
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Could you guys have the treads machined off the end of the barrel if you wanted to be compliant ?
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Anyone happen to know if that background check process has been established yet? If I wanted to sell something, how do I make the check?
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Could you guys have the treads machined off the end of the barrel if you wanted to be compliant ?
There is a little cap that fits over the threads. I think I'll just TIG it to the barrel with a tack on the bottom and call it good. If a LEO ever has a problem with that I'd be happy to take it to the SCOTUS.
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Anyone happen to know if that background check process has been established yet? If I wanted to sell something, how do I make the check?
No, it's not. You want to sell a firearm? I would run it through an FFL just to be 100% legal.
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Anyone happen to know if that background check process has been established yet? If I wanted to sell something, how do I make the check?
No, it's not. You want to sell a firearm? I would run it through an FFL just to be 100% legal.
Kinda what I thought. Maybe I'll just start calling that number the FFLs use... and when they ask for my FFL number I'll just explain I don't have one but I still need to do a check :P
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PRIVATE SALE OR DISPOSAL OF FIREARMS, RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS. 1.
IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS PURSUANT TO STATE AND FEDERAL LAW,
ALL SALES, EXCHANGES OR DISPOSALS OF FIREARMS, RIFLES OR SHOTGUNS SHALL
BE CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS SECTION UNLESS SUCH SALE, EXCHANGE
OR DISPOSAL IS CONDUCTED BY A LICENSED IMPORTER, LICENSED MANUFACTURER
OR LICENSED DEALER, AS THOSE TERMS ARE DEFINED IN 18 USC
S 922, WHEN
SUCH SALE, EXCHANGE OR DISPOSAL IS CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO THAT PERSON'S
FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE OR SUCH SALE, EXCHANGE OR DISPOSAL IS BETWEEN
MEMBERS OF AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "IMMEDIATE
FAMILY" SHALL MEAN SPOUSES, DOMESTIC PARTNERS, CHILDREN AND STEP-CHIL
DREN.
2. BEFORE ANY SALE, EXCHANGE OR DISPOSAL PURSUANT TO THIS ARTICLE, A
NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK MUST BE COMPLETED BY A DEALER
WHO CONSENTS TO CONDUCT SUCH CHECK, AND UPON COMPLETION OF SUCH BACK
GROUND CHECK, SHALL COMPLETE A DOCUMENT, THE FORM OF WHICH SHALL BE
APPROVED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, THAT IDENTIFIES AND
CONFIRMS THAT SUCH CHECK WAS PERFORMED.
3. ALL DEALERS SHALL MAINTAIN A RECORD OF SUCH TRANSACTIONS CONDUCTED
PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION AND SUCH RECORD SHALL BE MAINTAINED ON THE
PREMISES MENTIONED AND DESCRIBED IN THE LICENSE AND SHALL BE OPEN AT ALL
REASONABLE HOURS FOR INSPECTION BY ANY PEACE OFFICER, ACTING PURSUANT TO
HIS OR HER SPECIAL DUTIES, OR POLICE OFFICER.
4. A DEALER MAY REQUIRE THAT ANY SALE OR TRANSFER CONDUCTED PURSUANT
TO THIS SECTION BE SUBJECT TO A FEE OF NOT TO EXCEED TEN DOLLARS PER
TRANSACTION.
5. ANY RECORD PRODUCED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION AND ANY TRANSMISSION
THEREOF TO ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC RECORD
FOR PURPOSES OF ARTICLE SIX OF THE PUBLIC OFFICERS LAW.
At least it sounds like it wont cost more than $10 from an FFL. Though I don't get the whole superintendent of state police bit. Sounds like we have to do the check, sign some papers, then send them off to get approved before we can make a sale... what a load of crap. Sounds quicker just to adopt someone then sell them the gun...
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The approval of each individual sale and the need to have a ccw renewed each 5 years by the superintendent is extremely concerning. That right there is where the restrictions will come. All of a sudden they will say "we don't approve the sale of any semi auto" or "we are not reissuing pistol permits"
Fawk. This. Bullshit.
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that's my full expectation.
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This may be a silly question but when does this go into effect? This morning?
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The way they rushed that shit through I bet immediate effect.
Usually there's a set date in the text of the legislation.
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The way they rushed that shit through I bet immediate effect.
Usually there's a set date in the text of the legislation.
Yea, I just noticed immediate in the bill...
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"The bill will take effect immediately except where otherwise provided,"
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here is an idea, make it a law that if and only if you use your non registered or "improperly" sold or bought fire arm to commit a crime- be punishable... o wait....
stupid.
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stupid.
This sums it up pretty good.
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Just purchased a small military crate of .223.
Just in time I guess.
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And guess who’s budget all of this comes out of, the State Police.
Implementing a state-wide permit process
Registering all existing and new guns
Reregistering permits every 5 years
Universal background check for gun purchase
Universal background check for ammo purchase
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dont know if this is true or not but someone at work told me today that of the background checks performed in US, last year 70,000 were denied.
4, yes four of those were prosecuted for false information.
ha.
i was waiting to hear some financial impact on the new gun laws
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interesting.. senate districts in red voted yes
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c86.0.403.403/p403x403/734151_10151626968231258_1656034901_n.jpg)
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51st state is needed.
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And guess who’s budget all of this comes out of, the State Police.
Implementing a state-wide permit process
Registering all existing and new guns
Reregistering permits every 5 years
Universal background check for gun purchase
Universal background check for ammo purchase
We're already on a bare bones budget. Don't know how that is going to work.
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This state needs to be separated
Very interesting find Aaron.
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Aaron, Where did you find that map image?
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Posted on a snowmobile forum
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HCS?
I see you over there once in a while.
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Trailconditions.com
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Mike Mike 51st state is Gannett Hill Trying to get Smike to buy property up here. It can be the next Knoxon Montana.
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Jeff i am in, send me a link
By 2150 i bet US population will be cut in 1/3
Large men with big toys will prevail in the next 37 years
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sorry 2050*
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Oceanrider joint is nice.
::)
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Amp pretty empty at gander. Only one case of 12g target load left on the shelf
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Jeff i am in, send me a link
By 2150 i bet US population will be cut in 1/3
Large men with big toys will prevail in the next 37 years
2050 or 2150, I don't believe that.
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Othats alright you will be part of the 2/3 then
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Stock up in PA this weekend boys!!! 8)
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Gander and Dicks out of .22LR, had some boxes of shorts at gander. pretty good on shell stock.
should have probably grabbed my 10/22 on the shelf at dicks.
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now this should be ILLEGAL 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=sVMoOLh92S4
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picking my ruger up today at 5
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I guess dad kept the nicer 10-22 and the 20ga. sweet.
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I love Daisey Dukes and 50 Cals!
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http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
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The best part is that they state you don't have to register your assault rifle if you grind off the bayonet lug.
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well, and the other 7 features it has they pick on
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Wal-Mart on chili has a few 100 round boxes 22
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regular longs? whats the price?
you should probably buy them lol
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Like 7$ only had a 20 today