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Projects place => Projects Section => Topic started by: gif on November 14, 2022, 08:04:45 PM

Title: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on November 14, 2022, 08:04:45 PM: Picked this up today. It was a lot from an estate sale. Guy had barns full of different types of cars/trucks.
Took this pic right after I loaded it on the trailer.

1930 Ford Model A 4 door Sedan.

I have been looking for a 2 door but his one was in pretty good shape and came with a ton of parts (filled my 8ft bed and inside of my crew cab) that I can sell to the OEM crowd.

Plan is to cut it down to a 2 door and then see where it takes me...

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Post by: gif on November 19, 2022, 03:42:59 PM: I popped the body off the chassis and have it in the shop.
Sold Chassis/drivetrain and some other parts.
Turns out this is a kinda rare body made by Murray contracted to Ford.

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Post by: M on November 21, 2022, 10:21:16 AM: I like the suicide rear doors
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Post by: gif on December 22, 2022, 07:30:38 PM: I started collecting parts for this build. Ford 1940 front axle, spindles, bones Ford 1998 8.8 rear axle limited slip, 3.73, disk brakes, 31 spline shafts Ford 1930 19"x3" front wheels. Ford 1935 16"x4" rear wheels.

On the hunt for a LS6.0/4L80E

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Post by: gif on January 29, 2023, 06:16:18 PM: picked up a 6.0 / 4L80e today

after parting out the rest I should have a free engine/tranny

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Post by: gif on January 29, 2023, 06:26:08 PM: I plan to run Ford 1935 16" spoke rear wheels.

Coker Firestone rear tires in the 750x16 size are $288 each

I found that 235/85R16 are just about the same over all size @ $130 each.

Made a tool and spent some time straightening spokes.

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Post by: M4wdFab on January 29, 2023, 09:13:50 PM: nice!
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Post by: gif on February 06, 2023, 06:37:30 PM: Van engine and tranny pulled.

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Post by: gif on February 06, 2023, 06:54:45 PM: P59 PCM checked out good. This is a version that can support DBW & DBC (has IAC driver). BIN flashed to an OS that I can edit/tune.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 07, 2023, 10:37:59 PM: Converted the rest of the box van into a trailer with a walking deck to access the front door.
Just needs paint on the raw steel and wire up the 4 pin trailer harness to the box lights wiring.

Sold the rest of the van to a scrapper. Score!

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 11, 2023, 03:54:58 PM: Painted and cleaned up. Gas tank drained. Skipped the wiring (next guys problem)

SOLD and gone.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: M4wdFab on February 11, 2023, 07:59:39 PM: awesome!
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Post by: gif on February 12, 2023, 04:03:37 PM: did some actual work on the sedan today, removing all the wood structure from the doors.
Doors are built like the body.
Being the Town car sedan means LOTS of sub frame wood for all the trim to attach to.
Hundreds of trim nails and wood screws...
I will replace all that with steel. Pic for reference.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: etk300ex on February 12, 2023, 04:10:19 PM: That’s pretty neat
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 14, 2023, 03:30:28 PM: With the wood structure removed, I'm left with just the sheet metal skin.

Next will be to build the body back up with a steel sub structure.

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Post by: gif on February 17, 2023, 08:58:04 AM: Wheel prep for tubes and tires. Sandblasted and checked for cracks/pitting/trueness. Picked the best out of the bunch and painted.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 18, 2023, 08:45:18 PM: rear tires mounted with tubes. FYI baby powder is your friend when installing tubes.

Sucks that the wheel that look great has a small runout. The wheel with all the pitting is true. O-well. run it!

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 21, 2023, 08:48:58 PM: Miss on my part. >:( The explorer 8.8 is too narrow for this body. I just assumed that all Model A bodys are the same width.
So back to market place for an axle. Found a D44 out of a 1978 Ford F100. $50. super clean southern axle. however the 2.72 gears suck. I will address that later.
First I had to do a test fit and make sure i had room for the backing plates not to rub on the body. Looks good.

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Post by: gif on February 27, 2023, 10:16:48 PM: Front tires finally showed up. Had to cancel an order through Jegs for Coker tires that kept getting delays and was ultimately "back ordered" until end of March.
Found same tires on Ebay for cheaper and shipping included. Shipped in 4 days. ::) These tires are small, 450x19. They use motorcycle tubes!

Big/little staggered wheels/tires. Rears 235/85/16.

Grabbed all the steel I think I will need. Prices have come down.

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Post by: gif on March 03, 2023, 06:44:06 PM: grabbed a good looking set of D44 3.73 gears off eBay. $75 shipped. They came out of a J10.

This look up is awesome.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/19166926/front-and-rear-axle-catalog-spicer

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Post by: gif on March 04, 2023, 09:00:17 PM: Building the body back up in steel. Found good inner fenders in the pile of stuff that came with this car. got them and rear doors welded in.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 11, 2023, 11:38:09 PM: Cowl patch panels welded in. Started the sub frame for the body. The body panels without the wood is like a wet noodle. Takes lots of cross bracing and measurements to get everything square. I got the A & B pillars and the rear welded to the sub frame. That only took 15 hours...

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 18, 2023, 03:47:36 PM: Underside of the body sub frame and some supports welded in. Body is starting to stiffen up. Jumped on the frame next. Just the rear so far. Going to try something different for the front frame rails.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 21, 2023, 10:34:09 PM: Got the body in a fixed position with 4 mounts to the frame. I will have two more body mounts mid frame once I get a better idea of the floor layout.
Put the engine and front axle in position so I can start to design the front frame rails. Car is sitting at target ride height.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 24, 2023, 09:29:11 PM: trying something different for the front frame rails. using the same 2x3x.125 tube and cut every 2"

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 25, 2023, 12:58:00 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/l7hSb0Fh.jpg)
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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: M4wdFab on March 25, 2023, 10:56:10 AM: cool!
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Post by: gif on March 25, 2023, 12:36:37 PM: thanks, its going to be a LOT of welding and grinding...

Quote from: M4wdFab on March 25, 2023, 10:56:10 AM
cool!
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Post by: Wingman on March 26, 2023, 08:36:06 AM: Very unique!
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Post by: gif on March 27, 2023, 10:05:28 PM: Well this project just stalled. Had a bad ski crash this weekend. 5 broken ribs, broken scapula, broken clavicle and a punctured lung.
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: mr.mindless on March 27, 2023, 10:48:02 PM: damn! speedy recovery. lung sounds the scariest bit of that by far
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Post by: Wingman on March 28, 2023, 07:47:33 AM: Ooof! Prayers for you my friend.
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Post by: M4wdFab on March 28, 2023, 09:07:28 AM: :o

bah!
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Post by: M on March 28, 2023, 09:21:04 AM: damn! Sounds painful. How's the healing process going to be like for that? Are you in a body cast or what?
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Post by: carchameleon on March 28, 2023, 10:26:48 AM: wow, speedy recovery.!

really cool idea for the front frame!
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Post by: cracker on March 28, 2023, 10:31:26 AM: damn.. you seem to brake yourself quite often!
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Post by: etk300ex on March 29, 2023, 06:12:19 PM: Dang
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 09, 2023, 09:46:21 PM: here are the Xrays showing the damage. You can see the clavicle break right next to the hardware from the previous surgery. The last Xray has arrows pointing to the 5 broken ribs on my back.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on May 21, 2023, 08:28:08 PM: Rear is a roller with 4 link and coilovers.

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Post by: mr.mindless on May 21, 2023, 10:12:34 PM: Hope that means recovery is going / has gone well!
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Post by: gif on May 23, 2023, 07:54:03 AM: Yup, im @ 97%. Final xRay next week. Hope to be cleared for MTB season.

Quote from: mr.mindless on May 21, 2023, 10:12:34 PM
Hope that means recovery is going / has gone well!
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on June 11, 2023, 11:50:49 PM: started mounting the engine/tranny.

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Post by: gif on June 12, 2023, 09:20:25 PM: Upside down mounts.?! :o

Front crossmember/spring mount for front axle next. I. have. a. plan....

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on June 20, 2023, 10:00:11 PM: Got the engine and tranny mounted. clearance cut the firewall for the tranny. Got body bolted back on.
Next started on the front crossmember. this was a packaging nightmare, but got it fitted and looks good.
Then worked on the radiator and shell mount. takes time to get the design to be strong/easy to use/look clean.
And when your done it looks so simple...
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Post by: gif on June 20, 2023, 10:02:48 PM: I had someone ask how i cut perfect circles for the fans.
I have a set of circle jigs i have made over the years.

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Post by: gif on July 02, 2023, 03:17:15 PM: Rolling chassis status. Trying something new for the front spring shackle mounts on the bones. Using poly bushing.
You have to have the suspension loaded when you fab the mounts so the shackles are on the same plane. Then hours of fitting the small boxing pieces.

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Post by: gif on September 10, 2023, 03:49:51 PM: Almost time to get back at it. Started ordering the next round of parts.

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Post by: gif on November 11, 2023, 07:10:35 PM: Fall projects out of the way. Back to the Sedan. Started by moving the drivetrain forward 3/4". Test fit the low profile oil pan. Working on the body floor and sub frame.

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Post by: gif on November 15, 2023, 10:27:19 PM: Started on the steering. I liked the cowl steering a lot on the Coupe, so I figured I would do it again. Mopar steering gear mounted. Scored a 16" (Chevy?) steering wheel.

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Post by: wnyjpgy on November 16, 2023, 08:20:31 AM: You wouldn't happen to have a "remote rod" for a inside door handle kicking around from a 30-31 door would you?

Looks like they cease to exist these days.

I'll end up bending one up worst case, but thought I would ask.
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on November 16, 2023, 09:36:13 PM: Sorry, probably ended up in the scrap pile.

Quote from: wnyjpgy on November 16, 2023, 08:20:31 AM
You wouldn't happen to have a "remote rod" for a inside door handle kicking around from a 30-31 door would you?

Looks like they cease to exist these days.

I'll end up bending one up worst case, but thought I would ask.
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on November 18, 2023, 06:08:40 PM: I never pass on 1935 wire wheels. These will clean up nice.
Got the steering wheel mounted. Shop clean/reset and then on to the master brake cylinder.
Was looking for a 4L80e shift kit. Prices are 2x what they were 2 years ago. WTF.

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Post by: gif on November 27, 2023, 10:18:12 PM: Solid couple of days. Cowl/under dash sub frame and supports are done. Master brake cylinder and pedal is in. Under dash panel is ready for electrical hardware (on order). Driver steering arm is done. Working on the steering gear arm, made of 1/2" plate.

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Post by: gif on December 03, 2023, 06:21:48 PM: Steering gear arm bent to shape. PCM mount done. Couldn't find a good price on a 4L80e shifter kit, so bought a eBay 350 one and modded it. More floor and interior body work. Ordering next round of parts, gas tank, battery,...

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Post by: gif on December 09, 2023, 03:43:41 PM: All new 1350 driveshaft is in. Battery and fuel tank locations in. I normally mount them to the frame. But for packaging and ease of servicing I mounted them to the body.

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Post by: gif on December 18, 2023, 09:56:15 AM: Did the final welding on the body sub frame and then started to install the floor panels.

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Post by: gif on December 28, 2023, 11:41:43 PM: Covid slowed me down for a few days. But back at it tonight. Floor and back rest complete.
Also did some sub frame boxing and finish welding.

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Post by: gif on December 30, 2023, 01:16:47 PM: Center hump in. Test fit for the seats.

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Post by: gif on December 30, 2023, 04:47:12 PM: Tranny tunnel complete.

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Post by: gif on December 30, 2023, 11:40:01 PM: For the rear deck I am making hatches to gain access to the battery, tranny cooler and the fuel tank.
This is very time consuming.

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Post by: M4wdFab on December 31, 2023, 02:52:08 PM: did you end up being happy with that vinyl paint? going to black these seats also?
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Post by: gif on December 31, 2023, 08:19:24 PM: Was good for my application. Wouldn't use it on my chevelle.
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Post by: gif on January 01, 2024, 10:07:32 PM: All the access hatches are done. That was a lot of work...

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Post by: mr.mindless on January 02, 2024, 07:18:47 AM: Looks great
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Post by: gif on January 03, 2024, 12:30:50 AM: Thanks. I'm almost at the point I can chop the top down. I'm thinking a 6" chop for this one. :o
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Post by: gif on January 05, 2024, 07:47:14 AM: Rear deck is done. Planning out the 6" roof chop.

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Post by: gif on January 05, 2024, 09:20:59 PM: 6" chop. 8)
Set the top back on to make sure I still have good head room. I have plenty. Next I will need to clean up the cut gaps so I can weld the top back on. Car is 46" tall

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Post by: etk300ex on January 07, 2024, 09:15:10 AM: Looks great!

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Post by: gif on January 10, 2024, 06:27:26 PM: Roof chop welded back on. Now I need to finish the rest of the roof.

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Post by: gif on January 19, 2024, 11:58:29 PM: Doors cut down and fitted with new upper lip. Windshield frame cut down and fitted with new hinge. New 2x2x16awg A pillar header.
Roof was more work than i was expecting. The old wood filled a 1" gap between the roof panels and the door tops. I decided to fill that space with 1x1x16awg. The fun part was that the roof line narrows back to front and the tops of the doors are dome shaped. So the 1x1 had to curve on two different planes..

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Post by: gif on January 24, 2024, 08:18:04 PM: Decided to start the exhaust. You ALWAYS have a few broken exhaust manifold bolts to remove. This is the first time I have not been able to remove a bolt. I have TWO that wont come out. Broken extractor, broken bits, lots of welded nuts that just kept breaking the bolt deeper in the head. >:(

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Post by: M4wdFab on January 24, 2024, 08:37:55 PM: some tricks i picked up while doing this a 100 times.

clean / wire brush die grind what ever steel is left in the whole

weld on a 1/4" washer first, then the nut.

the whole is pretty deep, enlarge the first bit of the hole with a 3/8" drill bit to give you a little more room the get the weld to stick
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: M4wdFab on January 24, 2024, 08:40:02 PM: i guess if your breaking the bolt though thats not going to help you. maybe try pre heating the aluminum around it?
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Post by: gif on January 24, 2024, 09:56:00 PM: that pile has the washer/nut trick too. the trick that was my fail safe was to drill the stud with a 1/4" bit about 3/8 -1/2 deep. then i would have an all steel "pocket" to fill with weld out to the nut. if you look you will see different length chunks of studs on the nuts. Im down to one still stuck. I will fuck with it later. i have enough bolts to mount the exhaust flanges and start fab of the Lake headers.
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Post by: gif on January 24, 2024, 10:43:40 PM: 10" Chevy headlights modded and mounted. ebay score. glass and buckets in good shape. I will clean the reflectors and mod in some LED bulbs. Found front and rear turn signals I like and got them on the way.

Ordered up a 40"x70" sliding ragtop. 8)

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Post by: gif on January 30, 2024, 08:41:21 AM: Pinched down the front frame horns and mounted the front turn signals. Dug out a pair of old Yankee Clipper fog lights. Used a Model A headlight spreader bar and mocked them in place. Im not sure if I like the look yet, but its growing on me. Front shocks also mounted.

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Post by: etk300ex on January 30, 2024, 09:21:27 AM: Looks good to me
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Post by: gif on January 30, 2024, 01:57:37 PM: Late 1930's Chevy tail lights.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 02, 2024, 09:35:45 AM: Back to work on the exhaust. Still playing with the angle of the tip. And need to build the muffler insert.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: Wingman on February 02, 2024, 07:50:27 PM: Is that engine just a place holder? Looks a little crusty…
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 02, 2024, 08:13:21 PM: That is how every one has looked during the build process. I don't bother cleaning them up until final assembly.

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Quote from: Wingman on February 02, 2024, 07:50:27 PM
Is that engine just a place holder? Looks a little crusty…
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 03, 2024, 05:52:37 PM: Exhaust complete.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 04, 2024, 01:19:35 AM: I needed to lay the seats back and keep them as low as possible. Pulled them apart to mod the frame. Added 10deg the back support and moved the mounting bolts inboard for better access from the underside. Got the driver side fitted and bolted in it final location. All that starts with "im going to mount the seats real quick..." Pass side should go much quicker. Not bad for $10 seats.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 08, 2024, 08:10:08 PM: Seats done.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 08, 2024, 08:21:11 PM: Fuel tank complete. In tank pump and pickup. Sending unit. Gas filler connections. Used the WIFI scope to verify the fitment/placement of the fuel pickup sock in the sump.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 12, 2024, 03:48:42 PM: Dash

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 17, 2024, 12:12:07 AM: Roof opening for Ragtop frame. 35.75 X 67

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 18, 2024, 05:37:58 PM: Ragtop frame is fitted. Lots of work adding support to stiffen up the roof. Got the header bracing done too.
That should be it for the roof fab. Moving on to the interior panels.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 19, 2024, 08:41:01 PM: Working out the doors. Started by seeing if i could get the door latch hardware to free up. Next was getting it mounted. With all the wood removed there is nothing to mount the door latch hardware to. Made up some internal brackets and got the latch and the inside/outside door handles mounted. Next will be some bracing to stiffen the door and then some sheet metal the over top.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 23, 2024, 08:09:50 AM: My plan was to plug weld the lower door panel on. But after dropping a few screws inside the door I thought it might be nice to be able to remove the panel. Using 1/4-20 nutserts.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 23, 2024, 05:30:36 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/GsZ67Dah.jpg)
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 23, 2024, 09:49:15 PM: Door sill plate installed. B pillar support added. Door shuts nice and solid now.
On to the drivers door...

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 25, 2024, 05:59:11 PM: Doors, b pillars, door jams fab complete.

Seats fit perfect.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: M4wdFab on February 25, 2024, 06:33:50 PM: looking good!
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 25, 2024, 09:38:38 PM: Thanks.

Interior panel. Diver side next. Im getting close to being done with sheet metal work.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on February 28, 2024, 08:27:32 AM: Just a coupe of small patches to do and I think im done with sheet metal work. Going to start laying out the electrical and populating the dash.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 02, 2024, 05:21:49 PM: Added some bling.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 02, 2024, 05:25:06 PM: Laying out the electrical and dash.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: Wingman on March 02, 2024, 09:08:51 PM: Neat and tidy, as always
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 06, 2024, 09:51:11 PM: Working through the boring stuff. Custom fitted radiator hoses (i hate the look of the universal ones) and Serp belt. MAF sensor fitted to air filter and 102MM intake.
Also prepped the factory engine/tranny harness, removed all non used PCM pins/wires. Labeled and ready for layout and hand wrap tape. Almost ready for final tear down.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 07, 2024, 10:34:01 AM: I attached my most recent PCM Pinout. This is one I made for the 2003-2007 Vans with 6.0 / 4L80e DBC that I primarily use.
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 09, 2024, 06:23:09 PM: Success! Was able to get the broken extractor out. It was a Matco, but i wasnt nice to it either.. Drilled out the rest of the bolt and tapped.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 12, 2024, 06:08:31 PM: Throttle pedal fab and cable install done. Scored a NOS 10.5 tablet in white to match my color scheme. Took 2 hours to load all the updates.. But got it loaded with Torque app and ready for final dash GUI config.
Working on O2 sensors bungs next. Then I think I'm ready to pop the body off.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 16, 2024, 10:31:01 PM: I may have gone too low.. ::) I need to raise the car 1.5"

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 17, 2024, 01:34:05 AM: Done. 3" at the front. 3.5" at the rear. Gives the car good ground clearance and the perfect amount of rake. I like it. 8)
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 22, 2024, 11:51:10 PM: Working on the ebrake setup. using late 40 Chevy truck hand brake that smike saved for me.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 24, 2024, 05:27:24 PM: E-brake sorted. I think i'm ready for teardown and finish welding.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 29, 2024, 10:15:53 PM: Pulled apart and started welding the chassis.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 30, 2024, 02:18:52 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/BHkxR56h.jpg)
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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on March 30, 2024, 10:58:13 PM: Added some extra plate on the underside of the chassis front hoops and some fishplate on high stress spots. Chassis welding complete.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 04, 2024, 09:53:07 PM: Exhaust and 4 link welding complete.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 05, 2024, 10:33:16 PM: Front bones and rear link tabs welded. This tennis elbow is really slowing me down. Grip strength is like 50%...

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 06, 2024, 09:02:58 PM: Put down some etching primer on the wheels and chassis. Had to pull the tires back off so I could re-sandblast the wheels and the other set I found in better condition. Going to follow that up with a shot of sandable primer before I apply the final color(s).

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 14, 2024, 08:18:13 PM: Chassis and some suspension stuff painted.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: M4wdFab on April 14, 2024, 08:30:31 PM: looking shinny!

ill wrap your axle up tomorrow AM
Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 16, 2024, 08:06:40 PM: Was sandblasting the rear brake parts and notice the Ford logo. I would think it would only come on factory installed parts.?..
If so, thats not bad for an axle from 1978.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 21, 2024, 07:44:17 PM: Rear axle ready to install. 3.73 gears and all new bearings, seals and brakes.

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Title: Re: 1930 Ford Model A Sedan
Post by: gif on April 23, 2024, 10:29:47 PM: Started reassembly.

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