Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 11:17:00 AM
Talked the seller down to a grand, after telling him I thought 6-700 was fair. he thinks he's got 800 into it but has no time for it and knows it's coming close to scrap time. so I might be able to work him. No one else has looked at it yet.
Around the rain gutters and above the windshield there are issues with the cab skin; the crank-out windshield frame is hopeless and $$. Door jams are in bad shape all the way around. Most of the trim and small pieces including hood and side panels are there though, the grille is in great shape, the frame is excellent. The running boards will need to be rebuilt, big holes but the edges are all there. all the structure at the [wooden] floor is close to gone to the point of the cab sagging. Would need to make new structure at all the cab to floor structure tie-ins.
This is probably a bad one to be a first. And probably a bad one to try to do cheap. I did find a perfect chassis to put it on that's also too expensive and too old: '91 Chevy 4x4 3500 with a plow and 13' flatbed with lift gate. Asking $4k for it. frame looks great from limited pictures, cab corners present - might be southern originally? Haven't talked to them.
Otherwise I'd want to look for a crew cab long box to give nice long bed length.
To keep width close to original, it needs to be a SRW width front axle with dually wheels. outside of tire measurement is 63-64"
I don't have another set of 19.5 8 lug but there are several options there, but 34x9.5 on 16 could work pretty well? I bet that '91 is on 16.5 though.
Bad idea all around.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/466547327828150
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/342906413485811
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 11:33:43 AM
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Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 11:35:11 AM
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Post by: M on April 07, 2021, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 01:11:41 PM
this needs to go on an Arie box truck
https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/carroll-1947-international-kb-dump-truck/7294682307.html
Post by: Wingman on April 07, 2021, 03:54:54 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 06:28:10 PM
https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/colville-1935-dodge-truck-restore-or-rod/7302701486.html
Post by: Wingman on April 07, 2021, 07:25:10 PM
Visit my cousins and drive it home lol
https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/colville-1935-dodge-truck-restore-or-rod/7302701486.html
MUCH better!
Post by: M4wdFab on April 07, 2021, 07:31:01 PM
Post by: Wingman on April 07, 2021, 07:36:35 PM
that price tag just makes it no fun. need a sub 1500$ one
Truth. But depends on objective... keep or flip?
Post by: M4wdFab on April 07, 2021, 07:42:24 PM
that makes no sense.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 07, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
Given how hard a time I have parting with anything though, it may not matter.
That one is in eye-poppingly good shape, but either a 3+ week fly & drive roadkill, a 2 week haul, or $1500 in shipping? bah.
that bumps the OH/VA and closer price to more like 6k. and I want the thing done for 6k. The thoughts that have put the brakes on is thinking about the rotten 4x4 frame on that one smike did and not loving the idea there. if there were severe shortcuts that could be taken, one of Tom's current scrap donor trucks plus this cab could be something, and the end result might be fun enough and may be right-side-up on price, but I think would be lacking. I'd have to skip on some of the things that I want it to be able to do. I want to pull a brolite on the bed and run to Attica at very least, and be proud instead of embarrassed at shortcuts at a car show, and be warm and reliable plowing the lot and drive in the winter.
I have only looked at the snapshot of the market in the past 3-5 days, but from what I see, anything worth saving that's under $1500 is 1950ish and newer. Older than that they get too rare to be cheap AND good enough.
Post by: Wingman on April 07, 2021, 08:22:26 PM
so its more enjoyable if you know its an upside down project from the beginning?
that makes no sense.
Not saying to get so deep that you're upside down but good sheetmetal is worth some more budget. But I hate body work... ;D
Post by: M4wdFab on April 07, 2021, 08:27:17 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 07, 2021, 08:40:21 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/411017846617711/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A3c47ed41-50ee-4ce5-8ddb-7598a725862e
Post by: Wingman on April 07, 2021, 09:51:06 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2021, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 09, 2021, 03:16:59 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 09, 2021, 09:23:36 PM
I think fabricating running boards wouldn’t be awful. They won’t be a perfect match but they’d be functional and not $500 for the pair.
Rear fenders get mismatched for that reason I’m sure. Many are missing. Sell bed and flatbed the truck.
Still thinking of trying to get the original in this post for 500. Could part it and cover that if needed but it would certainly be a hundreds of hours sort of cab. But almost all narrow nose seem to be either that, cross country, or already restored.
Post by: M on April 09, 2021, 10:58:05 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2021, 02:20:29 PM
It’s good enough that I’m absolutely going to evaluate brakes and bearings if the springs and mounts are
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Bottom passenger dash is the worst rot on the truck, from a drip at top of windshield.
All glass new. Windows need felts. Door latches work. Needs door cards and head liner and pass fender signal.
I agreed at asking price of 2k if they can find the transferable reg. 1900 if it’s lost.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2021, 02:26:19 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
If it rolls on original running gear that’ll be an issue.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2021, 04:19:01 PM
35mph hay wagon and bring a pillow to sit on.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2021, 04:32:30 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 11, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
Post by: Wingman on April 11, 2021, 08:26:54 PM
Tires will be an issue. The split rims will be fine.
Post by: M on April 11, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 11, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 13, 2021, 08:49:28 AM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1076276562873556/
I still like that 13’ flatbed 4x4 with plow I posted earlier, but 3rd/4th gen engine and way cheaper.... I really do want a Brolite-sized bed and dually though. Looked over its pics again and it’s bed is rotten as fuck. Likely doesn’t mean good things for inner frame and frame horns. Probably looks a lot like my plow truck. Boo
I spent a lot of time in an 87 and 91 Ford 250s. I wouldn’t mind that generation vehicle’s driving experience at all. But common engine platform sure is nice for working on things.
In the already long frame market there are a lot of really overpriced fords and a lot of diesels. I’d rather go gas for plow abuse and for sake of sitting. I did see one duramax part out that seemed interesting last night. I don’t know a thing about those though. I think it didn’t have a trans in it? Seems potentially annoying or expensive to source.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 13, 2021, 08:50:50 AM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/682667659050130/
Post by: TrailTamer on April 13, 2021, 10:14:43 AM
Post by: M on April 13, 2021, 10:16:36 AM
It is 4x4. I see buttons on the dash.
yep
Post by: M4wdFab on April 13, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 13, 2021, 02:25:27 PM
Post by: TrailTamer on April 13, 2021, 02:33:17 PM
smike'll say too old. I say too 2 wheel drive. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/758300835059392/
cab swap to "fix" it.
You have Ford D60 housing on your rack, use outers from the dodge D60 (from dumpbus) to convert it to 4wd (with t-case swap of some kind).
if you do the cab swap.... soup up the 460 by to delete all of EFI with better flowing heads, intake manifold and top it off with carb, to simplify on electronics' side during the swap lol
Post by: M4wdFab on April 13, 2021, 02:44:09 PM
Post by: Wingman on April 13, 2021, 06:07:31 PM
first id say its a ford, and i wouldnt take it if it was free.
HAHAHA
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/491616765374310/
97 ram cummins auto, $3500.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2021, 01:07:37 PM
This guy says frame has no holes but is scaly. Would look if it were close but I bet it’s bad. Priced right
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/741378649879070/
Post by: mr.mindless on April 14, 2021, 09:50:43 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 15, 2021, 09:46:50 AM
More than I want to spend. ASKING 4500
Looking at a 2000 club cab 454 dually 4x4 when I pick up the 51 Sunday. $2500 and intake mani coolant leak.
The scaly crew dually 4x4 454 in PA is asking 1200. 199ish
Club cab short bed 6.0 in canandaigua asking 1450. 2002? Iirc
Post by: mr.mindless on April 15, 2021, 11:42:25 AM
Slightly concerned about powertrain width between inner fenders on the '51.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 15, 2021, 11:54:52 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 15, 2021, 01:31:43 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/682667659050130/
Post by: M4wdFab on April 15, 2021, 04:59:46 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/207238497479792/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A3a92b554-30c4-4e3a-ad4f-46fa5f6f2e1d
Post by: mr.mindless on April 15, 2021, 08:45:10 PM
seller confirmed 4x2 but wouldn't say the year of square body, so... 1973 or newer. Id as soon run a 1950 frame and 1995 axles as I would a 1973 frame and axles. I think.
Post by: M on April 16, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
Post by: etk300ex on April 16, 2021, 10:48:07 AM
Post by: M on April 16, 2021, 11:00:56 AM
lol I've always loved 454 SS pickup when I was a kid. Then I stomped one at the track with my stock Integra GSR.
Me too! I absolutely loved that. Cousin of mine had a 454SS and it was wicked awesome back in the day. He tubbed the bed and put wide ass tires. Looked like 2 feet wide each, no idea the actual size - obviously likes to go on drag strips.
A 5.3 nowadays run circles around a 454 in stock configuration.
Post by: etk300ex on April 16, 2021, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: TrailTamer on April 16, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
lol I've always loved 454 SS pickup when I was a kid. Then I stomped one at the track with my stock Integra GSR.
Me too! I absolutely loved that. Cousin of mine had a 454SS and it was wicked awesome back in the day. He tubbed the bed and put wide ass tires. Looked like 2 feet wide each, no idea the actual size - obviously likes to go on drag strips.
A 5.3 nowadays run circles around a 454 in stock configuration.
I don't think MikeMike is looking to build a race truck lol. sound like hes into building a multipurpose truck, a shop truck, plow truck, parts getter, scrapper, (possibly a flatbed/rollback?) whatever.
and you can say same thing about a 5.3 run circles around my clacking 12v Cummins for spirited driving, but that come to a screeching stop when trucks doing truck thing.
I thought 454SS was cool when I was a kid too. but they're an embarrassment after comparing its specs to other stuff. GMC Typhoon/Syclone for example.
Post by: cracker on April 16, 2021, 12:10:37 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 16, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
the do-all is the plan for sure. base intention is run around town, Brolite on the bed, plow in the winter. be extra nice if it could dump dirt, but shoveling a couple yards out of the Ram isn't bad at all.
the length of those 3+3 Chevies is what I keep thinking about. not much to be found in 185" wheelbase that isn't that old.
if I open myself up to extending a frame it totally changes what I'm shopping around. many more options in shorter trucks. many options in 4x2 trucks if I think about using a divorced 205 as part of the rear driveline.
I've got axles on the shelf, could put the pair from under the Mule under the existing frame with the flathead for a minute and think about engines.
Could just plan to fabricate a frame, or use a straight truck frame. Could get factory frame length from an Arie box van and use a 205 and solid front axle.
Too many options. not enough cheap trucks in the configurations I'm actually looking for. the LONG 4x4 exist, but are well over donor budget.
Post by: gif on April 16, 2021, 04:29:28 PM
Post by: Wingman on April 16, 2021, 07:48:45 PM
Maybe I missed it, what is the goal of this project?
Hahahaha
Post by: mr.mindless on April 17, 2021, 06:47:19 AM
base intention is run around town, Brolite on the bed, plow in the winter. be extra nice if it could dump dirt, but shoveling a couple yards out of the Ram isn't bad at all.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 17, 2021, 02:18:52 PM
Similar fears to the can’t hear it run duramax. How long run with low oil pressure and how bad hurt. It’s almost like signing up to roll new bearings in at least while changing the oil pump.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2861113130823185/
Post by: M4wdFab on April 17, 2021, 02:33:17 PM
id still probably pass on it though.
cats might be big spendy ones though
Post by: mr.mindless on April 18, 2021, 08:29:17 PM
Steers on it are 7.5-20, 35-36â€. Drives are 8.25-20, 37-38â€. Will be hard to get modem running gear narrow enough for my taste but I will try. And may sacrifice turning radius for it. Maybe.
First donor truck I looked at in Marion right after picking up the truck was kinda crap. Lots of frame scale and one rotten crossmember. Also 4x2, accidentally. Would be easy to put a coil spring axle under there the way the coils pockets are in the frame. Didn’t check width for spacing of those spring pockets though.
Need to pull some other dimensions off things for frame height and spacing. I love the proportions and want to stay close.
Post by: Wingman on April 18, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
So what model would be 16k gvwr in a Chevy? The emblems don’t have a model, just “Chevroletâ€. The serial number tag is a little rough, hopefully not too difficult to get a good rubbing from.
6000 series, past that depends on wheelbase and cab options.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 18, 2021, 09:07:33 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 18, 2021, 09:14:56 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 18, 2021, 11:08:48 PM
Idk if that makes it a 50 or 51. Sold as 51. Papers were not located.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 19, 2021, 08:27:03 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 23, 2021, 09:59:58 AM
1950 chevy 16k gvw. 180" wheelbase and 180" bed. steers, rows gears, rolls and holds air. new glass and seals. trim nearly if not completely complete. needs driver floor work, needs door hinge work, needs window felts and door seals and a driver cab-side latch strike. haven't looked at wipers. has newer heater present but no ducts. brake linkage siezed.
motor free. after some work has compression in 1-2-3- -5- . Suspect burned exhaust valves in 4 & 6. some mildly bent pushrods. Pushrod dimensions indicate motor likely a '54 car 235, but not definitive yet. I may continue to poke at that and see if it'll run. Should just list it for sale and send it. Engine work is only impeded by having a cab present, anyway. probably time to separate.
no spark yet either. Have new coil to try. has been swapped to 12v.
cab-side wiring needs to just be gutted, it's scary. so no function check on lights or fans or anything. original gauges present but very cloudy.
currently leaks from center of windshield. that leak rotted the bottom of the dash.
cab corners are bondo but look good. center trim strip on hood has rot. beauty line on cab shows rust. I'll see what gets uncovered when I take care of cab mount and driver side floor, if I can leave the cab mostly as-is for now that's my plan. if big chunks of body filler fall out of it I'll go from there. door bottoms have perforation but doesn't show from outside and isn't at all structural. it feels VERY solid.
picked up donor truck last night, it's rough but I think it's close to good.
2000 ram CCLB 24v auto 4x4
need to shift trans manually due to year mismatch. if in D, will start in 2 instead of 1.
3.55 open/open. needs front-front driveshaft ujoint, rear pinion bearings, right rear wheel seal
scary steering. box broke 2 bolts years ago and pulled the one remaining bolt through frame. strong chances that needs a better repair. probably trash track bar too. maybe also bad drag link or box. it's 2/3 turn of slop.
plow blade needs to be rebuilt. plow frame is fantastic.
truck frame has confirmed rot at the front spring hanger frame section seam. I'm sure I'll find other bad spots. hitch appears good.
water pump bad
fresh alternator
fuel leak at return line from vp44
cable-actuated CAD
$3 in bottle returns in the bed, along with a chrome stack that previous owner was running, and 16" alloys.
power steering very weak - intermittently. hydroboost brakes. that may mean no vacuum pump?
hack-fix lift pump; EFI fuel pump on the frame rail on separate switch; draw straw in the tank. out of fuel at last hash before E on gauge.
Edge programmer. when on highway duty, used to do 24-26mpg calculated.
since I'm going to want 37s or so, I wonder if I'll be wanting a gear swap.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 23, 2021, 10:24:57 AM
Accidentally deleted this post, guess I'll have to start from scratch. there's no way to recover a thread.
o snap did i just beat the IT guy!>
Post by: etk300ex on April 23, 2021, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: etk300ex on April 23, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Post by: M on April 23, 2021, 11:44:23 AM
What size are those tires on the Ram? They look larger than stock.
Zeetex AT1000 285/70r17
Post by: mr.mindless on April 23, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
Accidentally deleted this post, guess I'll have to start from scratch. there's no way to recover a thread.
o snap did i just beat the IT guy!>
You sure did! I owe the winner a chicken dinner!
Post by: cracker on April 23, 2021, 12:34:25 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1181168769008138/
Post by: M4wdFab on April 23, 2021, 01:31:41 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 23, 2021, 01:51:20 PM
thinking I'll likely change to SRW fronts for winter, because I'm sure with the tucked look I want, the steering angle will be completely useless.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 23, 2021, 02:32:49 PM
If I can get some 9r16 on 16" dually wheels that may be the ticket, but odds on coming up with used tires that size are slim. not sure it will be worth the extra cost to get exactly there when at the right ride height a 245 or 265/70r19.5 would probably do. But all the 19.5s I found looking today are on the wrong coast.
And the bigger diameter I go the worse the turning radius will be. Maybe something H2 level of backspacing could do. Likely a dually wheel with a 1-2" spacer to keep the plain look.
Exact right tires seem like finishing touches as long as it's set up right to fit them later. But it sure is easier to fit other things around things that are present.
Post by: etk300ex on April 23, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
if you are not set on the Dodge.. $1500 2000 Ford F-250 Super Duty Long Bed
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1181168769008138/
That's a sweet goose hitch
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2021, 08:39:58 AM
Buggy needs 13’ of space and I think brolite is very similar. Could do a 3’ beaver tail behind the frame, but I think that would screw up the look a bit. I don’t think it could look right without a bit of a wheel base stretch either.
Ram gvwr 8800#, rawr 6084#
I think I need to mock some things up and think a bit.
The overpriced f550 frame is bouncing around in my mind a lot with its 4.30 gears.
The turn into my driveway with a plow on the front is, too, after testing that out even at existing wheelbase. Those gates might have to move back a bit for comfort, and turning around at the house may not be a thing. Long plow truck would definitely be long.
Post by: etk300ex on April 25, 2021, 06:35:25 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on April 25, 2021, 06:41:42 PM
my international that was 2wd would also turn on its self more.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 25, 2021, 11:12:18 PM
Good riddance.
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Post by: M on April 26, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
Post by: TrailTamer on April 26, 2021, 02:49:19 PM
Shame. That stack'd look good on your truck ;D ;D j/kor on the mower lol
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 09:50:22 AM
Don’t have pictures of the front end yet. Expecting leaf spring TTB? I literally have no idea.
Post by: Wingman on April 27, 2021, 09:57:49 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 10:39:02 AM
I wonder if spring dims match the 95-97 Dana 60 housings I have on the shelf. And if knuckles could just swap like on my Ram between beam and 4x4 axles? Bolt patterns could get complicated to maintain. Rear is clearly 8 lug but i expect bigger than standard 250/350 metric Ford. Along with gear ratio fun.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 27, 2021, 11:33:32 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 11:48:26 AM
Post by: TrailTamer on April 27, 2021, 12:24:49 PM
Leaf spring beam axle, reportedly.
I wonder if spring dims match the 95-97 Dana 60 housings I have on the shelf. And if knuckles could just swap like on my Ram between beam and 4x4 axles? Bolt patterns could get complicated to maintain. Rear is clearly 8 lug but i expect bigger than standard 250/350 metric Ford. Along with gear ratio fun.
Knuckles will swap, but it’ll be a downgrade in brake and F450/550 have wider wms-wms, so it’ll be noticeably narrower if you use 95-97 Ford D60 housing as-is. Although that may work in your favor if that will help line up with 1950 chevy 6400’s fenders. Also, 99-04 f450/550’s knuckles will bolt on 92-97 Ford D60.
I’d keep the metric bolt pattern & either find 99-04 F450/550 D60 or cut up the beam & turn it into D60. But that’s me. Lol
The plow truck I got my donor engine from, was a disaster also. I don’t think I’ll ever consider an ex-plow truck to use it’s chassis.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 01:26:04 PM
Beam axle knuckles on 97 d60 housing is what I’m wondering about.
Any idea what the bolt pattern will be?
Post by: TrailTamer on April 27, 2021, 02:28:28 PM
Don’t know what knuckle swap you’re thinking that would downgrade anything?
Beam axle knuckles on 97 d60 housing is what I’m wondering about.
Any idea what the bolt pattern will be?
F450/550 run big brakes (require 19.5” wheels to clear!). 95-97 Ford brakes sucked for me. I was eating rotors like crazy until I upgraded, fwiw.
F250/350/450/550 use “same” 8x170 wheel bolt pattern unit bearings. Only main differences are in lug studs (srw vs drw) and/or mounting bolt threads (fine vs coarse).
Yes, 450/550 knuckles should bolt right on to 97 D60s housing.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 27, 2021, 02:56:16 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 03:22:43 PM
Hope your 94 is cleaner than this 2k. Should have more pictures of the f550 frame soon
Post by: TrailTamer on April 27, 2021, 03:33:14 PM
i just quoted a project out very simlar to this- 70's dodge on a 94 cummins- so looks like you get a head start. picking up 1st half Thursday.thats awesome. i'll like to follow this, as I want to fix up my truck somehow... I just don't know yet on what body to replace the shitty 2nd gen ram body with.
Post by: M4wdFab on April 27, 2021, 04:09:02 PM
changing directions and im cleaning up the mess with time and materials.
Post by: mr.mindless on April 27, 2021, 07:56:53 PM
Thing is 24’ overall with 200” wheelbase. That might end up getting shortened a bit, idk yet. Loooong truck.
Will get the body off the ram and make the call based on frame condition once I can see it all I think. But I already know of one pin hole so I think I know the call.
Post by: mr.mindless on May 01, 2021, 07:58:36 PM
2002 F550 spring widths are wider than the 95-97 f350 axles by about 4”
I think I’m gonna run the Ram frame and keep simple and save money even if it’s not quite a 16k gvw buggy hauler, as long as engine lays out okay. If I’m making motor mounts anyway it may change my attitude.
Engine lengths are a good match between chev and cummins but radiator to front axle is different by 12-13” so that’ll be something. That’s probably where the vans win out with the engine pushed further forward than a modern truck.
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Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
No start when manually triggering starter. Tightened loose starter bolts
Codes for “CAN bus failure to VP44” and “companion module failure”. I’m thinking I managed to disturb power to the cummins ECU somehow.
Key off isn’t killing dash power either, it behaves like there’s a latching relay that isn’t unlatched. Key on powers up but only pulling a particular fuse powers off. ASD is triggering properly. Did ground the ECU, chassis probably not well grounded.
Want to check myself as I go and see this thing run again.
I do have docs on 24v standalone, may start from there instead of paring this down if I can’t find that fault. Should at least give me which pins to chase if nothing else.
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Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2021, 09:41:25 PM
The power back feed is coming through the fuel system relay. And the no CAN persists.
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2021, 10:27:41 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 02, 2021, 11:41:58 PM
now I know why VANS.
back to thinking about that other frame if there's drivetrain moves needed anyway. Zero other advantages to it: the lug pattern on there is useless, it's specific to just f450/f550 of a pretty narrow range of years (99 to 03/04?) so no wheel other than stock 19.5, and unlikely to find used adaptors to anything else. 8x225, rather than the 10x225 of everything else heavy+modern. There are some 22.5 tires that are a very good size match (235/80r22.5 is almost the same as the 8r20 on it now), but 22.5 HD stuff is 10x285. no cheap steel take-offs sitting around from anything.
It would take as much work on the '50 frame to beef it up enough for modern power and brakes as it would to move the engine.
Shame steel is so expensive now. starting from scratch has sudden appeal.
Post by: M4wdFab on May 03, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 03, 2021, 11:03:48 AM
If I continue on the Ram frame, I’m thinking longer control arms, move track bar and steering box forward, probably flip swaybar to behind the axle. Move coil buckets. Seems like a better end result and easier than all drivetrain mounts and having to do both driveshafts rather than just the front.
Frame horns drop quickly and will likely get in the way of adequate uptravel. Assume this will quickly escalate to rebuild of the frame from just ahead of motor mounts. Should help to work around Chevy bumper and front body mounts, and stuffing the cooler stack low and forward.
Could help with track width+steering angle too, but if I really wanted to help that I’d need to move the control arms inboard for better rear of tire clearance. Definitely staying away from leaf springs for that reason alone.
Post by: mr.mindless on May 03, 2021, 12:39:32 PM
the motor mounts and spring buckets are right in line. I'm certain that's intentional, but at least there's that nice full coverage crossmember there to otherwise assist with that twisting moment from the engine weight.
Any time I think about building coil spring mounts, I think about the years of regret I suffered with my Dakota and not immediately going coilover.
And that makes me second guess moving the axle when the engine would be a couple tabs off the frame and fresh crossmember mounting holes in the bottom. Maybe that's not really so bad. one extra bit of driveshaft work and loss of a foot of flatbed, versus coil spring and steering box and swaybar mounts and rebuilding the front bit of frame.
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https://www.cumminsforum.com/threads/cab-swap-help-95-dodge-2500-ctd-to-96-dodge-ram-1500.1663522/post-19137521
Post by: mr.mindless on May 03, 2021, 10:51:39 PM
Post by: KingtheZJ on May 05, 2021, 11:07:19 AM
i assume too big and too much, but seems relatively cheap
Post by: mr.mindless on May 05, 2021, 11:36:30 AM
Post by: etk300ex on May 05, 2021, 12:06:33 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on May 05, 2021, 12:14:53 PM
second set of alloy 16" wheels, no tires.
Post by: etk300ex on May 05, 2021, 12:30:34 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 05, 2021, 01:56:23 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on October 13, 2021, 09:56:51 PM
Need to do the loader to make room for it, and have Allroad camshaft sensor things and a Golf to make sellable first.
Post by: etk300ex on October 14, 2021, 12:06:19 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on October 14, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
unless you REALLY want to overpay?
though given fuel prices lately? worth the overpay. I'm almost considering parking the BMW early. Fuck putting $50 into a 13 gallon tank. I suppose I'll say that until I'm back in a FWD econo wagon... but at least it's a stick. I want to put the TDI into the Z4.
Post by: M4wdFab on November 02, 2021, 05:12:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4248522228579391/
Post by: etk300ex on November 03, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
Post by: mr.mindless on November 03, 2021, 07:58:24 AM
Definitely a risky unit but could be worth the gamble. Unless someone knew something was wrong and disabled the starter to cover it up…
Post by: M4wdFab on November 03, 2021, 09:25:22 AM
Post by: M4wdFab on May 21, 2022, 08:39:32 PM
Post by: mr.mindless on September 03, 2022, 08:48:40 PM
Post by: M on September 03, 2022, 10:35:51 PM
Post by: M4wdFab on September 06, 2023, 08:22:23 PM
whats the last status of your parts / plan for this?
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1032262381541882/
Post by: M4wdFab on January 01, 2024, 10:11:46 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1069675050855368/
Post by: mr.mindless on January 02, 2024, 07:18:16 AM
Or I could, you know, lift a single finger and put a tiny bit of effort into not assembling trash. What a waste